13 packages still requiring Python 3.7 in Fedora 32

[Miro Hrončok]

In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8

There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with Python 
3.8 and they require Python 3.7 at run-time, causing broken dependencies. The 
packages are not installable. I don't think the bugzillas are moving anywhere.

Technically, such noninstallable packages should be retired one week before the 
beta freeze. I'm writing this e-mail to raise awareness about the problem. Some 
of the packages are awaiting upstream fixes.

mailman3                   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715598
mraa                       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1721671
python-bz2file             https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1728072
python-cartopy             https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1743898
python-geoplot             https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773373
python-jenkins-job-builder https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1706223
python-libpysal            https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746849
python-missingno           https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773375
python-nineml              https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746850
python-nose-parameterized  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1718347
python-subunit2sql         https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746853
python-xarray              https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773377
upm                        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736936

Maintainers by package:
mailman3             abompard
mraa                 pbrobinson
python-bz2file       orphan besser82
python-cartopy       qulogic
python-geoplot       qulogic
python-jenkins-job-builder orphan ignatenkobrain ktdreyer pabelanger
python-libpysal      qulogic
python-missingno     lbazan
python-nineml        ankursinha
python-nose-parameterized echevemaster
python-subunit2sql   chandankumar
python-xarray        qulogic
upm                  pbrobinson

Packages by maintainer:
abompard   mailman3
ankursinha python-nineml
besser82   python-bz2file
chandankumar python-subunit2sql
echevemaster python-nose-parameterized
ignatenkobrain python-jenkins-job-builder
ktdreyer   python-jenkins-job-builder
lbazan     python-missingno
pabelanger python-jenkins-job-builder
pbrobinson mraa upm
qulogic    python-cartopy python-geoplot python-libpysal python-xarray

[Elliott Sales de Andrade]

On Wed., Feb. 5, 2020, 6:33 a.m. Miro Hrončok,  wrote:
> In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8
>
> There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with
> Python
> 3.8 and they require Python 3.7 at run-time, causing broken dependencies.
> The
> packages are not installable. I don't think the bugzillas are moving
> anywhere.
>
> Technically, such noninstallable packages should be retired one week
> before the
> beta freeze. I'm writing this e-mail to raise awareness about the problem.
> Some
> of the packages are awaiting upstream fixes.
>
> mailman3
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715598
> mraa
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1721671
> python-bz2file
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1721671python-bz2file
>        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1728072
> python-cartopy
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1728072python-cartopy
>        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1743898
> python-geoplot
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1743898python-geoplot
>        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773373
> python-jenkins-job-builder
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773373python-jenkins-job-builder
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1706223
> python-libpysal
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1706223python-libpysal
>       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746849
> python-missingno
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746849python-missingno
>        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773375
> python-nineml
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773375python-nineml
>       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746850
> python-nose-parameterized
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746850python-nose-parameterized
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1718347
> python-subunit2sql
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1718347python-subunit2sql
>        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746853
> python-xarray
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746853python-xarray
>       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773377
> upm
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736936
>
> Maintainers by package:
> mailman3             abompard
> mraa                 pbrobinson
> python-bz2file       orphan besser82
> python-cartopy       qulogic
> python-geoplot       qulogic
> python-jenkins-job-builder orphan ignatenkobrain ktdreyer pabelanger
> python-libpysal      qulogic
> python-missingno     lbazan
> python-nineml        ankursinha
> python-nose-parameterized echevemaster
> python-subunit2sql   chandankumar
> python-xarray        qulogic
> upm                  pbrobinson
>
> Packages by maintainer:
> abompard   mailman3
> ankursinha python-nineml
> besser82   python-bz2file
> chandankumar python-subunit2sql
> echevemaster python-nose-parameterized
> ignatenkobrain python-jenkins-job-builder
> ktdreyer   python-jenkins-job-builder
> lbazan     python-missingno
> pabelanger python-jenkins-job-builder
> pbrobinson mraa upm
> qulogic    python-cartopy python-geoplot python-libpysal python-xarray

I'm going to tag a beta for Cartopy today or tomorrow (depending on how
quick I can go through the issues), and import it into Fedora, so that
should unblock the other ones, I think.
> --
> Miro Hrončok
> --
> Phone: [phone]
> IRC: mhroncok

[Ankur Sinha]

On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 12:32:57 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8
>
> There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with
> Python 3.8 and they require Python 3.7 at run-time, causing broken
> dependencies. The packages are not installable. I don't think the bugzillas
> are moving anywhere.
>
> Technically, such noninstallable packages should be retired one week before
> the beta freeze. I'm writing this e-mail to raise awareness about the
> problem. Some of the packages are awaiting upstream fixes.
>
> <snip>
> python-nineml              https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746850
> <snip>
>
> Maintainers by package:
>
> <snip>
> python-nineml        ankursinha
> <snip>

Upstream has been informed, but they're just too busy to fix it at the
moment. It isn't a simple enough issue for me to fix either,
unfortunately. I'll have another look this week.

I think nineml is a leaf package that isn't affecting other packages.
So, could we please leave it with the hope that upstream will be able to
look at it sometime soon? Otherwise, we'll have just retire and
un-retire it when upstream does eventually get to it.

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 4:32:57 AM MST Miro Hrončok wrote:
> In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8
>
> There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with
> Python

3.8 and they require Python 3.7 at run-time, causing broken
> dependencies. The packages are not installable. I don't think the bugzillas
> are moving anywhere.
>
> Technically, such noninstallable packages should be retired one week before
> the

beta freeze. I'm writing this e-mail to raise awareness about the
> problem. Some of the packages are awaiting upstream fixes.
>
> mailman3                  
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715598

mraa
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1721671 python-bz2file     
>    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1728072 python-cartopy  
>       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1743898
>
> python-geoplot            
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773373
> python-jenkins-job-builder
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1706223 python-libpysal        
>    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746849 python-missingno    
>       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773375 python-nineml    
>          https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746850
> python-nose-parameterized 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1718347 python-subunit2sql     
>    https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746853 python-xarray       
>       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773377 upm              
>          https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736936
>
> Maintainers by package:
> mailman3             abompard
> mraa                 pbrobinson
> python-bz2file       orphan besser82
> python-cartopy       qulogic
> python-geoplot       qulogic
> python-jenkins-job-builder orphan ignatenkobrain ktdreyer pabelanger
> python-libpysal      qulogic
> python-missingno     lbazan
> python-nineml        ankursinha
> python-nose-parameterized echevemaster
> python-subunit2sql   chandankumar
> python-xarray        qulogic
> upm                  pbrobinson
>
> Packages by maintainer:
> abompard   mailman3
> ankursinha python-nineml
> besser82   python-bz2file
> chandankumar python-subunit2sql
> echevemaster python-nose-parameterized
> ignatenkobrain python-jenkins-job-builder
> ktdreyer   python-jenkins-job-builder
> lbazan     python-missingno
> pabelanger python-jenkins-job-builder
> pbrobinson mraa upm
> qulogic    python-cartopy python-geoplot python-libpysal python-xarray
>
> -- 
> Miro Hrončok
> --
> Phone: [phone]
> IRC: mhroncok
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> Fedora Code of Conduct:
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List
> Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List
> Archives:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]

One potential solution would be to keep Python 3.7 for now, instead of causing 
needless breakage.

[Miro Hrončok]

On 10. 02. 20 9:33, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> One potential solution would be to keep Python 3.7 for now, instead of causing
> needless breakage.

Could you please elaborate on how do we do that?

Do you propose to revert python3 from 3.8 back to 3.7 and start bootstrapping 
all the Python packages back with 3.7, 2 weeks before the beta freeze? How would 
you deal with the number of packages that would fail to build with 3.7 for 
unrelated reasons? I suppose it would be way more over 13.

Do you consider 13 broken packages from 3583 a needless breakage?

Do you propose Fedora to stay on one Python version forever to avoid needless 
breakage? What happens when this Python version is no longer maintained upstream?

I am sorry, none of this sounds like something we want, so what do you actually 
propose?

4 packages still requiring Python 3.7 in Fedora 32: Retire mailman3 and python-subunit2sql

[Miro Hrončok]

On 05. 02. 20 12:32, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8
>
> There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with Python 
> 3.8 and they require Python 3.7 at run-time, causing broken dependencies. The 
> packages are not installable. I don't think the bugzillas are moving anywhere.
>
> Technically, such noninstallable packages should be retired one week before the 
> beta freeze. I'm writing this e-mail to raise awareness about the problem. Some 
> of the packages are awaiting upstream fixes.

The last four are:

mailman3                   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715598
mraa                       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1721671
python-subunit2sql         https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746853
upm                        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736936

mailman3                   abompard
mraa                       pbrobinson
python-subunit2sql         chandankumar
upm                        pbrobinson

Since Peter replied that mraa and upm are on his todo list, I suggest we retire 
mailman3 and python-subunit2sql for now, so we don't have it in the GA repo with 
broken depndndencies (and we obsolete via fedora-obsoelte-packages to prevent 
upgrade to Fedora 32 problems). Later we can unretire any time during the Fedora 
32 life cycle.

4 packages still requiring Python 3.7 in Fedora 32: Retire mailman3 and python-subunit2sql

[Neal Gompa]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:34 PM Miro Hrončok  wrote:
> On 05. 02. 20 12:32, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > In Fedora 32, we have updated Python to 3.8:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python3.8
> >
> > There are last 13 packages that were still not successfully rebuilt with Python
> > 3.8 and they require Python 3.7 at run-time, causing broken dependencies. The
> > packages are not installable. I don't think the bugzillas are moving anywhere.
> >
> > Technically, such noninstallable packages should be retired one week before the
> > beta freeze. I'm writing this e-mail to raise awareness about the problem. Some
> > of the packages are awaiting upstream fixes.
>
> The last four are:
>
> mailman3                   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715598
> mraa                       https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1721671
> python-subunit2sql         https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1746853
> upm                        https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1736936
>
> mailman3                   abompard
> mraa                       pbrobinson
> python-subunit2sql         chandankumar
> upm                        pbrobinson
>
> Since Peter replied that mraa and upm are on his todo list, I suggest we retire
> mailman3 and python-subunit2sql for now, so we don't have it in the GA repo with
> broken depndndencies (and we obsolete via fedora-obsoelte-packages to prevent
> upgrade to Fedora 32 problems). Later we can unretire any time during the Fedora
> 32 life cycle.

There's a PR open to update mailman3 and fix things:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/mailman3/pull-request/2

I'm not sure why, but both Duck and myself are supposed to be
co-maintainers of this and we're not...