Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

At few days ago I did open two threads:

1: "Fedora 26 & 27 are unable to boot with normal graphic mode on this
PC with AMD/ATI RS740 [Radeon 2100] GPU" in "Users"

https://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-users/threads.html#481765

2. "Why size of repositories metadata is too high in Fedora?" in
"devel"

https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887

I did set "Delivery status" to disabled via web page and used official
archiver for viewing emails, but until noon today, it doesn't show new
e-mails, I doubt to this situation and searched internet with mentioned
titles and found mentioned links, so I noticed official archiver of
Fedora is not reliable!

Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you
are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you
don't see anything! |:

It currently shows all new e-mails but not two hours ago.

[Timotheus Pokorra]

Hello Farhad,

>  https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887
>  
>  Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you
>  are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you
>  don't see anything! |:
>   
I don't think that spinics.net is the official archiver of the Fedora 
mailing lists.

As far as I know, the official mailing list archive for the users list 
is located here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...

and it seems to be uptodate as far as I can see...

have a nice weekend,
   Timotheus

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[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 3 March 2018 at 12:30, Timotheus Pokorra
<pokorra.mailinglists(a)tbits.net&gt; wrote:
>  Hello Farhad,
>
> > https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887
> >
> > Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you
> > are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you
> > don't see anything! |:
> >
>
>  I don't think that spinics.net is the official archiver of the Fedora
>  mailing lists.
>
>  As far as I know, the official mailing list archive for the users list is
>  located here:
>  https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...
>
>  and it seems to be uptodate as far as I can see...
>  
That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet
that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the
reasons why people who ask us to remove their emails from the archives
are asking an impossible task.. there are hundreds of web archivers
and thousands of people who have copies of those emails and could put
them up.]


>  have a nice weekend,
>    Timotheus
>
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[Kevin Kofler]

Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>  That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet
>  that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the
>  reasons why people who ask us to remove their emails from the archives
>  are asking an impossible task.. there are hundreds of web archivers
>  and thousands of people who have copies of those emails and could put
>  them up.] 
The reason people are using spinics.net is because it still shows the 
messages in the familiar pipermail-like format. (Not sure whether they are 
using some version of pipermail or a custom software that just imitates the 
format.) HyperKitty has several drawbacks, e.g., it eats all indentation in 
the mails. It is sad that Fedora no longer provides pipermail archives.

        Kevin Kofler

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 3 March 2018 at 14:00, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:
>  Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet
> > that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the
> > reasons why people who ask us to remove their emails from the archives
> > are asking an impossible task.. there are hundreds of web archivers
> > and thousands of people who have copies of those emails and could put
> > them up.]
>
>  The reason people are using spinics.net is because it still shows the
>  messages in the familiar pipermail-like format. (Not sure whether they are
>  using some version of pipermail or a custom software that just imitates the
>  format.) HyperKitty has several drawbacks, e.g., it eats all indentation in
>  the mails. It is sad that Fedora no longer provides pipermail archives.
>  
Sure Hyperkitty has drawbacks. Pipermail had drawbacks you complained
about too. You seem to win either way because you can complain if we
don't change stuff, and you can complain if we do change things. It is
really extremely tiring trying to deal with your constant
negativity... so I am going to stop doing so.


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[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

On Sat, 2018-03-03 at 18:30 +0100, Timotheus Pokorra wrote:
>  Hello Farhad,
>  
>  > https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887
>  > 
>  > Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation
>  > you
>  > are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but
>  > you
>  > don't see anything! |:
>  > 
>  
>  I don't think that spinics.net is the official archiver of the
>  Fedora 
>  mailing lists.
>  
>  As far as I know, the official mailing list archive for the users
>  list 
>  is located here:
>  https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]
>  ct.org/2018/3/
>  
>  and it seems to be uptodate as far as I can see...
>  ........ 
Hello

Here is a big mis-understanding!!, I know that official archiver is
"https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/" not "spinics.net" my mean
was exactly "https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/" which uses HyperKitty
and I used it to open some threads, I know that HyperKitty has some advantages over
traditional archive software, but it seems there are some problems here, I also mentioned
in the original massage that:

"I doubt to this situation and *searched internet* with *mentioned
titles* and *found mentioned links* ...."

I provided links from "spinics.net" just as reference comparison to
"https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/"

I am sure the problem was not from my web browser (Firefox ESR 52) because I opened
archives even with "Private Mode" which does not store and use cache.

[Farhad Mohammadi Majd]

I forgot to say, it was between the hours 15-16 of 2 march (in local time) that I sent two
e-mails to mentioned threads, but nor my e-mails and others e-mails was visible until 3
march 13:30-14:00. so it is actually 22-23 hours delay.