File managers compete for desktop domination in F25

[Alexander Ploumistos]

Hello all,

After upgrading a computer with multiple DEs to F25 from F23, folders
on GNOME's desktop are managed by dolphin, which runs daemonized and
cannot be killed, unless I also kill kded5 and kdeinit5. There was
already a similar bug about nemo replacing nautilus on the desktop
after a F24→F25 upgrade:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1384788

In both cases, our settings seem to be in order. Does anyone have any
clue as to which component (e.g. nautilus, dbus, dolphin or whatever)
might be causing this confusion?

[Hans de Goede]

Hi,

On 11-11-16 13:32, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
>  Hello all,
>
>  After upgrading a computer with multiple DEs to F25 from F23, folders
>  on GNOME's desktop are managed by dolphin, which runs daemonized and
>  cannot be killed, unless I also kill kded5 and kdeinit5. There was
>  already a similar bug about nemo replacing nautilus on the desktop
>  after a F24→F25 upgrade:
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1384788
>
>  In both cases, our settings seem to be in order. Does anyone have any
>  clue as to which component (e.g. nautilus, dbus, dolphin or whatever)
>  might be causing this confusion? 
I remember seeing something similar a while back. To figure out what the
problem is, check all kde related files under /etc/xdg/autostart, they
should all have a: "OnlyShowIn=KDE;" in there, last time for me the
problem was one was missing this.

Regards,

Hans

[Alexander Ploumistos]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  I remember seeing something similar a while back. To figure out what
> the
>  problem is, check all kde related files under /etc/xdg/autostart, they
>  should all have a: "OnlyShowIn=KDE;" in there, last time for me the
>  problem was one was missing this. 
Hi Hans,

I did not have a dolphin desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart, but for
good measure I copied my ~/.config/autostart/org.kde.dolphin.desktop
there, which already contained X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false and I
added OnlyShowIn=KDE (isn't that only to hide an application from a
DE's menus?), but dolphin still takes over on the desktop.

I think that there is a mix-up with dbus services, because when I open
a desktop folder I am seeing

dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Activating service
name='org.freedesktop.FileManager1' requested by ':1.70' (uid=1000
pid=2321 comm="nautilus-desktop "
label="unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023")
dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Successfully activated
service 'org.freedesktop.FileManager1'

whereas opening the same folder from the Places menu, I get:

dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Activating service
name='org.gnome.Nautilus' requested by ':1.36' (uid=1000 pid=2111
comm="/usr/bin/gnome-shell "
label="unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023")
dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Successfully activated
service 'org.gnome.Nautilus'

So, for some reason Nautilus != FileManager1 in dbus speak and I'm
guessing that's how nemo took over on the original reporter's system.

[Hans de Goede]

Hi,

On 11-11-16 14:29, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
>  On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Hans de Goede
> <hdegoede(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> > I remember seeing something similar a while back. To figure out what the
> > problem is, check all kde related files under /etc/xdg/autostart, they
> > should all have a: "OnlyShowIn=KDE;" in there, last time for me the
> > problem was one was missing this.
>
>  Hi Hans,
>
>  I did not have a dolphin desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart, but for
>  good measure I copied my ~/.config/autostart/org.kde.dolphin.desktop
>  there, which already contained X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false and I 
Hmm, what happens if you remove ~/.config/autostart/org.kde.dolphin.desktop;
or add OnlyShowIn=KDE there ?

Regards,

Hans



> added OnlyShowIn=KDE (isn't that only to hide an application from a
> DE's menus?), but dolphin still takes over on the desktop.
>
> I think that there is a mix-up with dbus services, because when I open
> a desktop folder I am seeing
>
> dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Activating service
> name='org.freedesktop.FileManager1' requested by ':1.70' (uid=1000
> pid=2321 comm="nautilus-desktop "
> label="unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023")
> dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Successfully activated
> service 'org.freedesktop.FileManager1'
>
> whereas opening the same folder from the Places menu, I get:
>
> dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Activating service
> name='org.gnome.Nautilus' requested by ':1.36' (uid=1000 pid=2111
> comm="/usr/bin/gnome-shell "
> label="unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023")
> dbus-daemon[1881]: [session uid=1000 pid=1881] Successfully activated
> service 'org.gnome.Nautilus'
>
> So, for some reason Nautilus != FileManager1 in dbus speak and I'm
> guessing that's how nemo took over on the original reporter's system.
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[Alexander Ploumistos]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hmm, what happens if you remove
> ~/.config/autostart/org.kde.dolphin.desktop;
>  or add OnlyShowIn=KDE there ? 
No change.

[Rex Dieter]

Alexander Ploumistos wrote:

>  Hello all,
>  
>  After upgrading a computer with multiple DEs to F25 from F23, folders
>  on GNOME's desktop are managed by dolphin, which runs daemonized and
>  cannot be killed, unless I also kill kded5 and kdeinit5. There was
>  already a similar bug about nemo replacing nautilus on the desktop
>  after a F24→F25 upgrade:
>  
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1384788
>  
>  In both cases, our settings seem to be in order. Does anyone have any
>  clue as to which component (e.g. nautilus, dbus, dolphin or whatever)
>  might be causing this confusion? 
I'd expect mimetype default for inode/directory to handle this, and in f24 
at least, /usr/share/applications/mimeapps.list contains:
inode/directory=org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop

-- Rex

[Alexander Ploumistos]

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>  I'd expect mimetype default for inode/directory to handle this,
> and in f24
>  at least, /usr/share/applications/mimeapps.list contains:
>  inode/directory=org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop 
It is. All mimeapps lists are as they should be and also:
$ xdg-mime query default inode/directory
org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop

xdg-open ~/Desktop or xdg-open ~Desktop/some/folder/ brings up nautilus.