avahi and howl

[Trever L. Adams]

I was just reading up on gaim development. They are moving to avahi in
place of howl. Debian is already doing or trying to do the same. It
seems avahi does have some functionality enhancements over howl and
license compability with more code (APSL vs. LGPL). It also supports
reflections over lan segments.

Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on? 

Sorry if this is purely political.

Thank you,
Trever Adams

[Alan Cox]

On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:33:58PM -0600, Trever L. Adams wrote:
>  Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on? 
>  Sorry if this is purely political. 
I'd rather we pushed Gaim into extras. Unfortunately however there seem
to be a lack of secure sane im clients

[Rahul Sundaram]

Alan Cox wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 13, 2005 at 03:33:58PM -0600, Trever L. Adams wrote:
>   
>
> >Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on? 
> >Sorry if this is purely political.
> >    
> >
>
> I'd rather we pushed Gaim into extras. Unfortunately however there seem
> to be a lack of secure sane im clients
>
>   
>  
That would only work if Gaim was the only thing using howl in Fedora 
Core but there seems be a general trend towards moving away from howl to 
avahi or providing it as a alternative with a abstraction layer in 
several upstream projects and while we are talking about gaim, its worth 
point out that Google has hired the lead Gaim developer to work on 
Google Talk. Hopefully that has some positive effects on Gaim too.

http://www.devxnews.com/article.php/3556506

regards
Rahul

[Trever L. Adams]

On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 08:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  That would only work if Gaim was the only thing using howl in Fedora
>
>  Core but there seems be a general trend towards moving away from howl to 
>  avahi or providing it as a alternative with a abstraction layer in 
>  several upstream projects and while we are talking about gaim, its worth 
>  point out that Google has hired the lead Gaim developer to work on 
>  Google Talk. Hopefully that has some positive effects on Gaim too.
>  
>  http://www.devxnews.com/article.php/3556506
>  
>  regards
>  Rahul
>   
This is actually what started this thread. The gaim site seems to
suggest that voice chat will be added and will work with Google Talk.

Rumors at this point, even if they are from the development team (though
they seem to make good on most of it).

Trever
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[Peter Robinson]

>  This is actually what started this thread. The gaim site seems to
>  suggest that voice chat will be added and will work with Google Talk.
>
>  Rumors at this point, even if they are from the development team (though
>  they seem to make good on most of it). 
Not really rumours. To quote straight off the front of gaim's website
'On a related note, the gaim-vv project—which aimed to offer a
framework for voice and video support in Gaim—is being merged back
into Gaim proper for hopeful incorporation into Gaim 2.0.0. This will
be used to support Google Talk's voice as well as MSN and Yahoo!
webcams' - Check the full news entry out at http://gaim.sf.net

Pete

[Peter Robinson]

On 10/13/05, Trever L. Adams <tadams-lists(a)myrealbox.com&gt; wrote:
>  I was just reading up on gaim development. They are moving to avahi
> in
>  place of howl. Debian is already doing or trying to do the same. It
>  seems avahi does have some functionality enhancements over howl and
>  license compability with more code (APSL vs. LGPL). It also supports
>  reflections over lan segments.
>
>  Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on? 
Its not just debian/gaim, a lot of projects are adding support for
avahi (as well as howl), rhythmnbox and I think gnomemeeting support
both, and the license is aimed for better suport.

Pete

[Jef Spaleta]

On 10/13/05, Trever L. Adams <tadams-lists(a)myrealbox.com&gt; wrote:
>  Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on?
As soon as programs in Core require it I'm sure that its going to get
sucked in to Core.

The more important question is... now that gaim is going to use
avahi... what else in Fedora Core requires howl..and can those other
items be made to use avahi as well?
It would be best if howl could be replaced completely in Core with
avahi to avoid duplication of functionality with multuple
implementations.

rawhide>repoquery --whatrequires libhowl.so.0
gnome-games-1:2.12.1-1.i386  in Core
gnomemeeting-0:1.2.2-2.i386  in Core
gnome-vfs2-0:2.12.1.1-1.i386 in Core
obby-0:0.2.0-5.fc5.i386 in Extras

-jef

[Peter Robinson]

>  The more important question is... now that gaim is going to use
>  avahi... what else in Fedora Core requires howl..and can those other
>  items be made to use avahi as well?
>  It would be best if howl could be replaced completely in Core with
>  avahi to avoid duplication of functionality with multuple
>  implementations.
>
>  rawhide>repoquery --whatrequires libhowl.so.0
>  gnome-games-1:2.12.1-1.i386  in Core
>  gnomemeeting-0:1.2.2-2.i386  in Core
>  gnome-vfs2-0:2.12.1.1-1.i386 in Core
>  obby-0:0.2.0-5.fc5.i386 in Extras 
I'm pretty sure gnomemeeting now supports both (well it will in 2.0)
and rhythmbox now has a dependancy but supports both too.

[Alexander Larsson]

On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:39 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>  On 10/13/05, Trever L. Adams <tadams-lists(a)myrealbox.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on?
>  
>  As soon as programs in Core require it I'm sure that its going to get
>  sucked in to Core.
>  
>  The more important question is... now that gaim is going to use
>  avahi... what else in Fedora Core requires howl..and can those other
>  items be made to use avahi as well?
>  It would be best if howl could be replaced completely in Core with
>  avahi to avoid duplication of functionality with multuple
>  implementations.
>  
>  rawhide>repoquery --whatrequires libhowl.so.0
>  gnome-games-1:2.12.1-1.i386  in Core
>  gnomemeeting-0:1.2.2-2.i386  in Core
>  gnome-vfs2-0:2.12.1.1-1.i386 in Core
>  obby-0:0.2.0-5.fc5.i386 in Extras 
I'll try to find some time to port gnome-vfs2. I think it makes sense to
switch to Avahi.

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[Peter Robinson]

>  > On 10/13/05, Trever L. Adams <tadams-lists(a)myrealbox.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > > Is this something that RedHat/Fedora should follow Debian/Gaim on?
>  >
>  > As soon as programs in Core require it I'm sure that its going to get
>  > sucked in to Core.
>  >
>  > The more important question is... now that gaim is going to use
>  > avahi... what else in Fedora Core requires howl..and can those other
>  > items be made to use avahi as well?
>  > It would be best if howl could be replaced completely in Core with
>  > avahi to avoid duplication of functionality with multuple
>  > implementations.
>  >
>  > rawhide>repoquery --whatrequires libhowl.so.0
>  > gnome-games-1:2.12.1-1.i386  in Core
>  > gnomemeeting-0:1.2.2-2.i386  in Core
>  > gnome-vfs2-0:2.12.1.1-1.i386 in Core
>  > obby-0:0.2.0-5.fc5.i386 in Extras
>
>  I'll try to find some time to port gnome-vfs2. I think it makes sense to
>  switch to Avahi. 
According to this blog entry
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/avahi-compat the avahi guys have
created a compatibility layer for howl/bonjour that runs with
gnome-vfs2, nautilus etc. so we should be able to replace howl with
the soon to be released 0.6 of avahi while everything gets ported to
native avahi.

Pete

[Warren Togami]

Peter Robinson wrote:
> >
> >I'll try to find some time to port gnome-vfs2. I think it makes sense to
> >switch to Avahi.
>  
>  
>  According to this blog entry
>  http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/avahi-compat the avahi guys have
>  created a compatibility layer for howl/bonjour that runs with
>  gnome-vfs2, nautilus etc. so we should be able to replace howl with
>  the soon to be released 0.6 of avahi while everything gets ported to
>  native avahi.
>  
>  Pete
>   
If there is agreement here that we need to add avahi, then the next step 
is to have a Red Hat engineer become owner.  Who?

Warren Togami
wtogami(a)redhat.com

[Trever L. Adams]

On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 14:34 -0400, Warren Togami wrote:

>  If there is agreement here that we need to add avahi, then the next
> step 
>  is to have a Red Hat engineer become owner.  Who?
>  
>  Warren Togami
>  wtogami(a)redhat.com
>   
I may be completely wrong, but it seems to me to give it to whoever owns
howl.

Trever
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