Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-05-01)

[Toshio Kuratomi]

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.

Links to all tickets below can be found at: 
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

= Followups =


= New business =
#topic #1110 systemd preset for ipmi
.fesco 1110
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1110

#topic #1111 systemd preset for ipmievd
.fesco 1111
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1111

= Open Floor = 

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
the following meeting. 


Thank you,
-Toshio (IRC: abadger1999)

[Till Maas]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 07:37:03AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

>  If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
>  this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
>  e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
>  the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
>  the following meeting.  
Please clarify the Guidelines for release names:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_release_names
| Names must not contain any shell metacharacters.

This does not match the definition from man bash(1):
|        metacharacter
|                      A character that, when unquoted, separates words.
|                      One of the following:
|                                    |  & ; ( ) < > space tab

IMHO best would be to just write "Names must not contain any of the
following characters: <to be completed>" to avoid any inaccuracies.

Regards
Till

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 05:21:26PM +0200, Till Maas wrote:
>  On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 07:37:03AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>  
>  > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
>  > this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
>  > e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
>  > the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until
>  > the following meeting. 
>  
>  Please clarify the Guidelines for release names:
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_release_names
>  | Names must not contain any shell metacharacters.
>  
>  This does not match the definition from man bash(1):
>  |        metacharacter
>  |                      A character that, when unquoted, separates words.
>  |                      One of the following:
>  |                                    |  & ; ( ) < > space tab
>  
>  IMHO best would be to just write "Names must not contain any of the
>  following characters: <to be completed>" to avoid any inaccuracies.
>   
Thanks,  added as:

#topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted characters

-Toshio

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le Mer 1 mai 2013 17:53, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit :

>  #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted
>  characters 
Since UTF-8 contains many glyphs with similar shapes and uses, the
guideline needs to first explicitly state that release names must be
encoded in UTF-8, and second list the forbidden glyphs with their
codepoint number (to avoid ambiguities).

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; said:
>  Le Mer 1 mai 2013 17:53, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit :
>  > #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted
>  > characters
>  
>  Since UTF-8 contains many glyphs with similar shapes and uses, the
>  guideline needs to first explicitly state that release names must be
>  encoded in UTF-8, and second list the forbidden glyphs with their
>  codepoint number (to avoid ambiguities). 
I don't think so, because I don't think the shell recognizes anything
but the 7-bit characters as "special".
-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams(a)hiwaay.net&gt;
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le Ven 3 mai 2013 15:17, Chris Adams a écrit :
>  Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt;
> said:
> > Le Mer 1 mai 2013 17:53, Toshio Kuratomi a écrit :
> > > #topic Clarify release name guidelines - Explicitly list blacklisted
> > > characters
> >
> > Since UTF-8 contains many glyphs with similar shapes and uses, the
> > guideline needs to first explicitly state that release names must be
> > encoded in UTF-8, and second list the forbidden glyphs with their
> > codepoint number (to avoid ambiguities).
>
>  I don't think so, because I don't think the shell recognizes anything
>  but the 7-bit characters as "special". 
My point is precisely that only some glyphs with this look need to be
blacklisted, so for people to know which squiggle is allowed and which
squiggle is forbidden you need to explicitly state the codepoint of the
forbidden squiggle.

-- 
Nicolas Mailhot

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Toshio Kuratomi <a.badger(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
>  meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in #fedora-meeting on
>  irc.freenode.net.
>
>  Apologies, it was pointed out to me that the listed local time didn't 
match up
with current UTC.   To figure out when the meeting is happening in
your local timezone, please use:

date -d '2013-05-01 18:00 UTC'

from the command line or read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto for
graphical and online tools.

-Toshio