Experiences with F8T2 on Thinkpad T61

[Matthew Saltzman]

My T61 has the Nvidia Quadro NV140M video card.  I tested the x86_64
live dvd and installed the x86_64 DVD.  This message covers
platform-specific issues that I encountered.

Live DVD: 

- The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt to
system-config-display, there are two problems.

(1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing.
(2) The nv driver hangs with a black screen.  The keyboard is still
functional and I can reboot with <CTRL>-<ALT>-<F1>
<CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL>.

Hand-editing xorg.conf to create a Monitor section and using the vesa
driver restores X functionality.

- I used gparted to resize NTFS partitions and partition the drive.  It
hung at the end of the resize operation without confirming it is
finished (although the operation appears to have completed).  Also,
gparted quits after the rescan step after each operation set.

Installation:

- Have to install with "vesa" kernel option.  The nv driver boots to a
black screen.

- On the Disk Druid screen, the screen is not repainted after opening
and closing popups.

- The display is only configured for 800x600.

Post-Installation:

- Display issues (as above--nv driver and Monitor detection don't work).
The new nv drivers don't help.

- Screen brightness is erratic.  The screen brightness applet appears,
but whatever controls I hit, brightness changes randomly up or down and
does not get fully bright or dim.  If I switch to a VC, I can control
the brightness, but ^@ characters appear on the display.

- X server doesn't terminate on logout--I have to
<CTRL>-<ALT>-<BKSP> to
kill it.

- Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power applet and
the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
reboot as above.

- Hibernate appears to work, but on resume I get a message that
hibernate failed.

- Stopping the bluetooth service on reboot or shutdown fails, although
starting on bootup succeeds.  Have not tested bluetooth functionality
otherwise.

Can anyone confirm these behaviors and that they are bugs?  I'll file
them, if so.  Workarounds welcome too.

There are some other issues I'll post later, but they don't seem
hardware related.

[Martin Sourada]

On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 23:38 +0200, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  - Hibernate appears to work, but on resume I get a message that
>  hibernate failed.
>   
I get the same on Acer TM2490. I do it though with NetworkManager turned
off, because last time I tried it with it (a month ago or so) it got
frozen in resume...

[Michel Salim]

On 21/09/2007, Matthew Saltzman <mjs(a)clemson.edu&gt; wrote:
>  My T61 has the Nvidia Quadro NV140M video card.  I tested the x86_64
>  live dvd and installed the x86_64 DVD.  This message covers
>  platform-specific issues that I encountered.
>
>  Live DVD:
>
>  - The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt to
>  system-config-display, there are two problems.
>
>  (1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing. 
Is this the 14.1" or 15" screen? Which resolution? (I'm asking,
because on my 14.1" WXGA (1280x800) the display is detected just fine)

-- 
Michel

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 00:12 -0400, Michel Salim wrote:
>  On 21/09/2007, Matthew Saltzman <mjs(a)clemson.edu&gt; wrote:
>  > My T61 has the Nvidia Quadro NV140M video card.  I tested the x86_64
>  > live dvd and installed the x86_64 DVD.  This message covers
>  > platform-specific issues that I encountered.
>  >
>  > Live DVD:
>  >
>  > - The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt to
>  > system-config-display, there are two problems.
>  >
>  > (1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing.
>  
>  Is this the 14.1" or 15" screen? Which resolution? (I'm asking,
>  because on my 14.1" WXGA (1280x800) the display is detected just fine) 
It's the 14.1" 1280x800, in fact.  What might be different, then?

-- 
                Matthew Saltzman

Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

[Jeremy Katz]

On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  - The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt
> to
>  system-config-display, there are two problems.
>  
>  (1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing. 
This is correct -- there shouldn't need to be a monitor section as it
should be auto-detected

>  (2) The nv driver hangs with a black screen.  The keyboard is still
>  functional and I can reboot with <CTRL>-<ALT>-<F1>
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL>. 
This sounds like a driver bug, please file against xorg-x11-drv-nv and
include your X.log, lspci info and xorg.conf

>  - I used gparted to resize NTFS partitions and partition the drive. 
> It
>  hung at the end of the resize operation without confirming it is
>  finished (although the operation appears to have completed).  Also,
>  gparted quits after the rescan step after each operation set. 
Haven't seen/heard this one.  Probably worth filing against gparted (or
maybe ntfs-progs; hard to say) though

>  - Have to install with "vesa" kernel option.  The nv driver
> boots to a
>  black screen. 
Same as above.

>  - On the Disk Druid screen, the screen is not repainted after
> opening
>  and closing popups. 
This is filed already -- see bug 289281

>  - The display is only configured for 800x600. 
This is going to be related to lack of proper monitor probing.

>  - Screen brightness is erratic.  The screen brightness applet
> appears,
>  but whatever controls I hit, brightness changes randomly up or down and
>  does not get fully bright or dim.  If I switch to a VC, I can control
>  the brightness, but ^@ characters appear on the display. 
This has been reported a couple of times-- Warren was going to try to
track this down and get some better reporting of it I believe

>  - X server doesn't terminate on logout--I have to
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<BKSP> to
>  kill it. 
Sounds like an X server bug

>  - Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power
> applet and
>  the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
>  off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
>  reboot as above. 
Using which X driver?  

>  - Hibernate appears to work, but on resume I get a message that
>  hibernate failed. 
Sounds buggy

>  - Stopping the bluetooth service on reboot or shutdown fails,
> although
>  starting on bootup succeeds.  Have not tested bluetooth functionality
>  otherwise. 
I believe I saw some discussion about this, but am not certain anymore

Jeremy

[Tomasz Torcz]

Dnia 23-09-2007, N o godzinie 20:03 -0400, Jeremy Katz napisał(a):
>  On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > - Screen brightness is erratic.  The screen brightness applet appears,
>  > but whatever controls I hit, brightness changes randomly up or down and
>  > does not get fully bright or dim.  If I switch to a VC, I can control
>  > the brightness, but ^@ characters appear on the display.
>  
>  This has been reported a couple of times-- Warren was going to try to
>  track this down and get some better reporting of it I believe 
 This is because changing brightness generate brightness key event. User
turn brightness one step down, event is generated, event is seen by
gnome-power-manager which turns brightness down, event is generated...
all the way down to 0 up up to max.

  This issue is fixable at HAL (hal-info) level. Please
update /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi
with you model number and also send patch to HAL upstream list.

Nb. this file in F7 still has a typo for other model ("Z31t" instead of
"Z61t")

-- 
Tomasz Torcz
Crocom Computer Systems

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 12:53 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>  Dnia 23-09-2007, N o godzinie 20:03 -0400, Jeremy Katz napisał(a):
>  > On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > > - Screen brightness is erratic.  The screen brightness applet appears,
>  > > but whatever controls I hit, brightness changes randomly up or down and
>  > > does not get fully bright or dim.  If I switch to a VC, I can control
>  > > the brightness, but ^@ characters appear on the display.
> >   
>  > This has been reported a couple of times-- Warren was
> going to try to
>  > track this down and get some better reporting of it I believe
>  
>   This is because changing brightness generate brightness key event. User
>  turn brightness one step down, event is generated, event is seen by
>  gnome-power-manager which turns brightness down, event is generated...
>  all the way down to 0 up up to max.
>  
>    This issue is fixable at HAL (hal-info) level. Please
>  update /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi
>  with you model number and also send patch to HAL upstream list.
>  
>  Nb. this file in F7 still has a typo for other model ("Z31t" instead of
>  "Z61t") 
There's already an entry with vendor string="LENOVO" and version
contains="ThinkPad".  I assume the intention is to match all Lenovo
ThinkPads, but it doesn't seem to fix the issue for my T61.  What am I
missing?

Thanks.

>   
-- 
                Matthew Saltzman

Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

[Ralf Ertzinger]

Hi.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:18:35 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote

>  There's already an entry with vendor string="LENOVO"
> and version
>  contains="ThinkPad".  I assume the intention is to match all Lenovo
>  ThinkPads, but it doesn't seem to fix the issue for my T61.  What am I
>  missing? 
Same behaviour for my X60s, although the keys should match. Where do I
poke to see if laptop_panel.brightness_in_hardware has really been set?

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 20:03 -0400, Jeremy Katz wrote: 
>  On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > - The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt to
>  > system-config-display, there are two problems.
>  > 
>  > (1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing.
>  
>  This is correct -- there shouldn't need to be a monitor section as it
>  should be auto-detected 
When I use the vesa driver, it is auto-detected at 800x600, not
1280x800.  I have to run system-config-display to select a capable
monitor type (generic LCD or IBM TFT panel) before I can see 1280x800.

>  
>  > (2) The nv driver hangs with a black screen.  The keyboard is still
>  > functional and I can reboot with <CTRL>-<ALT>-<F1>
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL>.
>  
>  This sounds like a driver bug, please file against xorg-x11-drv-nv and
>  include your X.log, lspci info and xorg.conf 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249367 is already filed
against F7.  Should I do something (clone?) to get it in for F8T2?

>  
>  > - I used gparted to resize NTFS partitions and partition the drive.  It
>  > hung at the end of the resize operation without confirming it is
>  > finished (although the operation appears to have completed).  Also,
>  > gparted quits after the rescan step after each operation set.
>  
>  Haven't seen/heard this one.  Probably worth filing against gparted (or
>  maybe ntfs-progs; hard to say) though 
Definitely gparted.  The crash occurs on re-scanning even if no operation is performed.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=309251.


>  
>  > - Have to install with "vesa" kernel option.  The nv driver boots to a
>  > black screen.
>  
>  Same as above.
>  
>  > - On the Disk Druid screen, the screen is not repainted after opening
>  > and closing popups.
>  
>  This is filed already -- see bug 289281
>  
>  > - The display is only configured for 800x600.
>  
>  This is going to be related to lack of proper monitor probing. 
Report against what component?

>  
>  > - Screen brightness is erratic.  The screen brightness applet appears,
>  > but whatever controls I hit, brightness changes randomly up or down and
>  > does not get fully bright or dim.  If I switch to a VC, I can control
>  > the brightness, but ^@ characters appear on the display.
>  
>  This has been reported a couple of times-- Warren was going to try to
>  track this down and get some better reporting of it I believe
>  
>  > - X server doesn't terminate on logout--I have to
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<BKSP> to
>  > kill it.
>  
>  Sounds like an X server bug
>  
>  > - Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power applet and
>  > the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
>  > off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
>  > reboot as above.
>  
>  Using which X driver?   
Vesa.  It also happened under F7 with either vesa or the proprietary
nvidia driver.  I can't try nv, as it doesn't work at all.

>  
>  > - Hibernate appears to work, but on resume I get a message that
>  > hibernate failed.
>  
>  Sounds buggy 
Report against what component?

>  
>  > - Stopping the bluetooth service on reboot or shutdown fails, although
>  > starting on bootup succeeds.  Have not tested bluetooth functionality
>  > otherwise.
>  
>  I believe I saw some discussion about this, but am not certain anymore 
Thanks.

>  
>  Jeremy
>  
>   
-- 
                Matthew Saltzman

Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

[Adam Jackson]

On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  My T61 has the Nvidia Quadro NV140M video card.  I tested the x86_64
>  live dvd and installed the x86_64 DVD.  This message covers
>  platform-specific issues that I encountered.
>  
>  Live DVD: 
>  
>  - The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt to
>  system-config-display, there are two problems.
>  
>  (1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing.
>  (2) The nv driver hangs with a black screen.  The keyboard is still
>  functional and I can reboot with <CTRL>-<ALT>-<F1>
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL>.
>  
>  Hand-editing xorg.conf to create a Monitor section and using the vesa
>  driver restores X functionality. 
An X log from the failed nv startup would be helpful here.

>  - X server doesn't terminate on logout--I have to
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<BKSP> to
>  kill it. 
This was a bug I inflicted with a particular libICE/libSM combination.
It should be fixed now, I hope.

>  - Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power
> applet and
>  the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
>  off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
>  reboot as above. 
As always, suspend on nv graphics chips is a disaster.

- ajax

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:21 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: 
>  On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > My T61 has the Nvidia Quadro NV140M video card.  I tested the x86_64
>  > live dvd and installed the x86_64 DVD.  This message covers
>  > platform-specific issues that I encountered.
>  > 
>  > Live DVD: 
>  > 
>  > - The DVD won't boot into X.  If I boot to runlevel 3 and attempt to
>  > system-config-display, there are two problems.
>  > 
>  > (1) The Monitor section of xorg.conf is missing.
>  > (2) The nv driver hangs with a black screen.  The keyboard is still
>  > functional and I can reboot with <CTRL>-<ALT>-<F1>
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL>.
>  > 
>  > Hand-editing xorg.conf to create a Monitor section and using the vesa
>  > driver restores X functionality.
>  
>  An X log from the failed nv startup would be helpful here. 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=249367

>  
>  > - X server doesn't terminate on logout--I have to
> <CTRL>-<ALT>-<BKSP> to
>  > kill it.
>  
>  This was a bug I inflicted with a particular libICE/libSM combination.
>  It should be fixed now, I hope. 
Seems to be.

>  
>  > - Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power applet and
>  > the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
>  > off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
>  > reboot as above.
>  
>  As always, suspend on nv graphics chips is a disaster. 
Indeed.  This is and wireless are the most important things for me to
get working.  What's the best way to help debug.  What component should
I bugzilla?

Of course, WinXP has it working, so we know it can be done.  It's just a
question of how...  (I don't mean for this to imply anything about
relative quality of Linux and Windows or Linux and Windows developers.
I just want this new machine to work.  I know all about Linux's lag on
new hardware--just trying to help as best I can to push it along.)

>  
>  - ajax
>  
>   
-- 
                Matthew Saltzman

Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

[Adam Jackson]

On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 17:39 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:21 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: 
>  > On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > > - Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power applet and
>  > > the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
>  > > off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
>  > > reboot as above.
>  > 
>  > As always, suspend on nv graphics chips is a disaster.
>  
>  Indeed.  This is and wireless are the most important things for me to
>  get working.  What's the best way to help debug.  What component should
>  I bugzilla? 
It's not really something that needs a bugzilla in Fedora, it's just a
problem we don't have a solution for yet.

http://marc.info/?l=fedora-test-list&m=119003866809039&w=2

for the details.

- ajax

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 09:23 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>  On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 17:39 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:21 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: 
>  > > On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 17:38 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  > > > - Suspend doesn't work at all.  Select Suspend from the power applet
> and
>  > > > the machine starts to suspend, the light comes on, then the light goes
>  > > > off and the machine is live, except that the display is black.  I can
>  > > > reboot as above.
>  > > 
>  > > As always, suspend on nv graphics chips is a disaster.
>  > 
>  > Indeed.  This is and wireless are the most important things for me to
>  > get working.  What's the best way to help debug.  What component should
>  > I bugzilla?
>  
>  It's not really something that needs a bugzilla in Fedora, it's just a
>  problem we don't have a solution for yet.
>  
>  http://marc.info/?l=fedora-test-list&m=119003866809039&w=2
>  
>  for the details. 
OK That's informative, thanks.

Does it help to know that the vesa driver exhibits the same behavior?
(The nv driver still doesn't work at all with this card--Quadro NV140M.)

I will try to play with the nvidia binary driver sometime.  I'm pretty
sure, however, that when I had F7 on the machine, the nvidia driver also
behaved the same way.  (I do recall that I couldn't change screen
brightness with that driver.)  Will try to verify.

>  
>  - ajax
>  
>   
-- 
                Matthew Saltzman

Clemson University Math Sciences
mjs AT clemson DOT edu
http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

[Adam Jackson]

On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 09:55 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
>  On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 09:23 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>  > It's not really something that needs a bugzilla in Fedora, it's just a
>  > problem we don't have a solution for yet.
>  > 
>  > http://marc.info/?l=fedora-test-list&m=119003866809039&w=2
>  > 
>  > for the details.
>  
>  OK That's informative, thanks.
>  
>  Does it help to know that the vesa driver exhibits the same behavior?
>  (The nv driver still doesn't work at all with this card--Quadro NV140M.) 
I assume "same behaviour" means regarding suspend, in which case, no, it
doesn't help, it's exactly what I would expect.  The vesa driver is
entirely reliant on the VBIOS for chip setup, which is exactly the thing
that the nv firmware stubs out after suspend.

- ajax