New ZoneMinder packages - except el7

[Andrew Bauer]

FYI, new ZoneMinder packages representing the 1.32.3 release are building now for Fedora
branches.
I will push a new package for el7 branch after Antonio completes his work with new ffmpeg
& x264.

[Andrew Bauer]

Sorry for the noise. This was meant for the rpmfusion devel list.

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Bauer 
<zonexpertconsulting(a)outlook.com&gt; wrote:
>  Sorry for the noise. This was meant for the rpmfusion devel list.
Why is Zoneminder in RPMFusion? I'm curious why is it ineligible for 
Fedora?

Michael

[Matthew Miller]

On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 12:36:54PM -0600, mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org wrote:
>  On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Bauer
>  <zonexpertconsulting(a)outlook.com&gt; wrote:
>  >Sorry for the noise. This was meant for the rpmfusion devel list.
>  Why is Zoneminder in RPMFusion? I'm curious why is it ineligible for
>  Fedora? 
From their install docs, I see:

 * Disable any other third party repos and uninstall any of ZoneMinder’s
   third party dependencies, which might already be on the system,
   especially ffmpeg and vlc. Attempting to install dependencies yourself
   often causes problems.

... which probably explains that.


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Anderson, Charles R]

On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 12:36:54PM -0600, mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org wrote:
>  On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Bauer 
>  <zonexpertconsulting(a)outlook.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Sorry for the noise. This was meant for the rpmfusion devel list.
>  
>  Why is Zoneminder in RPMFusion? I'm curious why is it ineligible for 
>  Fedora? 
Because currently available security cameras need patented algorithms to support them.

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM Anderson, Charles R <cra(a)wpi.edu&gt; wrote:
>  On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 12:36:54PM -0600, mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org wrote:
>  > On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Bauer
>  > <zonexpertconsulting(a)outlook.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > Sorry for the noise. This was meant for the rpmfusion devel list.
>  >
>  > Why is Zoneminder in RPMFusion? I'm curious why is it ineligible for
>  > Fedora?
>
>  Because currently available security cameras need patented algorithms to support them.
Hmm. Does the Cisco arrangement almost entirely solve the problem? I'm
pretty sure all cameras these days are using H.264 encoding, and some
use MJPEG by saving out each frame as a JPEG. What's patented?


-- 
Chris Murphy

[Anderson, Charles R]

On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 08:13:06PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>  On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:33 PM Anderson, Charles R
> <cra(a)wpi.edu&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 12:36:54PM -0600, mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org wrote:
>  > > On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Andrew Bauer
>  > > <zonexpertconsulting(a)outlook.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > > Sorry for the noise. This was meant for the rpmfusion devel list.
>  > >
>  > > Why is Zoneminder in RPMFusion? I'm curious why is it ineligible for
>  > > Fedora?
>  >
>  > Because currently available security cameras need patented algorithms to support
> them.
>  
>  Hmm. Does the Cisco arrangement almost entirely solve the problem? I'm
>  pretty sure all cameras these days are using H.264 encoding, and some
>  use MJPEG by saving out each frame as a JPEG. What's patented? 
I believe H.264 is patented.  Cisco's code apparently can only be used for WebRTC:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264

ZoneMinder uses ffmpeg.

[Florian Weimer]

* Charles R. Anderson:

>  I believe H.264 is patented.  Cisco's code apparently can only be
> used
>  for WebRTC:
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264 
The actual terms only permit consumer use (with some exceptions).  The
patent license does not cover activities like teaching, technical
support and external business meetings.

I'm not sure if the MPEG LA has agreements with the actual patent
owners which would allow them to license the patents for generic
WebRTC use.

My understanding is that proprietary video conferencing systems which
uses H.264/AVC have same issue: if you want to use them for business
purposes (excluding internal meetings and training sessions), you need
to obtain licenses from each essential patent owner individually.

[Igor Gnatenko]

I can't find ZoneMinder in Fedora. Can you give a link, please?
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 5:20 PM Andrew Bauer
<zonexpertconsulting(a)outlook.com&gt; wrote:
>
> FYI, new ZoneMinder packages representing the 1.32.3 release are building now for
Fedora branches.
> I will push a new package for el7 branch after Antonio completes his work with new
ffmpeg & x264.
>
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[Samuel Sieb]

On 12/8/18 8:30 AM, Igor Gnatenko wrote:
>  I can't find ZoneMinder in Fedora. Can you give a link, please?
You need to enable the rpmfusion repositories.