I thought OpenGroupware.org was slated to be in the next beta; did this get pushed back? Do we have to wait for Fedora Contrib or whatever?
Wil
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 05:10:11AM -0700, Wil Cooley wrote:
I thought OpenGroupware.org was slated to be in the next beta; did this get pushed back? Do we have to wait for Fedora Contrib or whatever?
It's great how many groupware projects are getting usable. It's still not clear on what should be a default one that most users can be happy with.
More comments from someone looking at these more closely? Would be good to see some of them packaged into Fedora Addon for better/easier evaluation.
cu,
Florian La Roche
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 02:12:41PM +0200, Florian La Roche wrote:
It's great how many groupware projects are getting usable. It's still not clear on what should be a default one that most users can be happy with.
As you're talking about "many groupware project": do you have a short-list for "usable" groupware servers? I didn't know there are "many" of them around (yet), in fact I considered OpenGroupware.org the first/only one that claims a certain level of functionality that might be good enough.
As you're talking about "many groupware project": do you have a short-list for "usable" groupware servers? I didn't know there are "many" of them around (yet), in fact I considered OpenGroupware.org the first/only one that claims a certain level of functionality that might be good enough.
As far as I know, there is also Kroupware, but I don't know much about it.
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 05:12, Florian La Roche wrote:
It's great how many groupware projects are getting usable. It's still not clear on what should be a default one that most users can be happy with.
Sorta reminds me of journaling filesystems; for a couple years a moaned that there were none, then all of a sudden there were four.
I haven't looked too closely at Kolab/Kroupware, but I believe it (ab)uses an IMAP mail box to store calendar/schedule/etc settings, and (I think) LDAP for contacts. Yay for writable LDAP addressbooks! Needs the proprietary Bynari InsightConnector for Outlook; has native KDE applications under Linux.
OGo seems to take the approach of implemented standard protocols for calendar and schedule stuff, and providing WebDAV and XML-RPC interfaces. Currently only the web interface is usable from Linux; there is a proprietary add-on that let's it work natively with Outlook. There are projects underway to implement plug-ins for Evolution and Mozilla, and a Java-based Glow, which is vaguely related to OpenOffice.org. Doesn't use LDAP for addressbooks in the web interface :(
Personally, I prefer OGo since it uses standard protocols for calendar/schedule/etc, rather than abusing IMAP. We've been needing open protocols for these things for a long time; an open source server implementing them /should/ spur development of clients supporting them.
More comments from someone looking at these more closely? Would be good to see some of them packaged into Fedora Addon for better/easier evaluation.
Harald was packaging OpenGroupware.org for RH9 for a while; he probably found higher-priority things to do. I was rebuilding them under 7.3 with no problems; I had to stop to, um, get married.
Wil
Harald was packaging OpenGroupware.org for RH9 for a while; he probably found higher-priority things to do. I was rebuilding them under 7.3
Ok, so I see good comments about OGo.
with no problems; I had to stop to, um, get married.
Hey, that's really a new topic. ;-)
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greetings,
Florian La Roche
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Florian La Roche wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 05:10:11AM -0700, Wil Cooley wrote:
I thought OpenGroupware.org was slated to be in the next beta; did this get pushed back? Do we have to wait for Fedora Contrib or whatever?
It's great how many groupware projects are getting usable. It's still not clear on what should be a default one that most users can be happy with.
More comments from someone looking at these more closely? Would be good to see some of them packaged into Fedora Addon for better/easier evaluation.
The two I've played with are OpenGroupware and Kolab/Kroupware. Out of those two, OGo is my preferred choice. Either are a pain to set up, since they have more dependencies than evolution (and here you thought that wouldn't be possible to achieve, but two independent open source projects finally managed! ;-)
Once going, OGo is much more flexible in terms of client support. OGo went with standards for things like address books, calendaring, etc. Kolab went with a weird combination of ftp + horrible (ab)use of IMAP folders -- interesting way to do it, but most clients don't support it.
OGo is also more flexible in terms of components. You can use whatever SMTP server you want, and whatever IMAP implementation you want, and mbox or maildir{,+} or cyrus or whatever obscure new mail storage format you want. Kolab is tied to Postfix+Cyrus+ProFTPD and at least not doing Cyrus + some form of ftp didn't look possible, though I didn't spend an extremely long time trying (I didn't try getting away from Postfix, since at least that part I would have chosen anyway ;-).
If you want to use the web clients or the kroupware client only (or Outlook after you buy Bynari Connector) and don't mind migrating your email infrastructure (and don't mind most of the documentation still being in German), kolab seemed usable. If you have an existing infrastructure, or want to support other clients (like, say, evolution), OpenGroupware seems like the way to go.
IMHO, anyway.
later, chris
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