What is the criterion for Python 3.7 side tag merge?

[Miro Hrončok]

The Python 3.7 rebuild in the f29-python side tag is currently:

  - 2168 built
  - ~170 FTBFS
  - ~120 blocked by dependencies that FTBFS

Ideally, this would all get fixed before the merge, but that's 
unrealistic, there are packages that are FTBFS for unrelated reasons, etc.

What is the criterion to merge the side tag?

The critpath installs fine (except stuff that cannot be installed due to 
yum-deprecated vs yum collisions and gnome-software that has some broken 
dependency on PackageKit).

Stuff that doesn't build and sounds important:

  - ceph (also FTBFS in regular rawhide)
  - libreoffice (also FTBFS in regular rawhide)
  - orca (blocked by pyatspi, looking at it ATM)
  - kernel-tools

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[Laura Abbott]

On 06/28/2018 06:42 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  Stuff that doesn't build and sounds important:
>  
>    - ceph (also FTBFS in regular rawhide)
>    - libreoffice (also FTBFS in regular rawhide)
>    - orca (blocked by pyatspi, looking at it ATM)
>    - kernel-tools 
For kernel-tools, it depends on your definition of "important".
This is mostly a collection of miscellaneous userspace tools
that happen to live in the kernel source tree. The part that
isn't building is perf which is notoriously finicky and
probably needs to be debugged in conjunction with the
upstream maintainer.

Thanks,
Laura

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> >>>> "MH" == Miro Hrončok
> <mhroncok(a)redhat.com&gt; writes: 
MH> What is the criterion to merge the side tag?

I think ultimately that's up to you, but certainly the idea is to
balance disruption (breaking builds or rawhide usability) against
holding back progress (the approved python 3.7 feature).

It would certainly be nice to have less disruption than 170 FTBFS
packages and 120 broken dependencies, but then if some of those packages
are broken already then they shouldn't count against the total unless
somehow they're "more broken" after the tag is merged.

I think setting a deadline for the merge (which would have to be pretty
soon if the mass rebuild is still on July 11) and sending regular broken
package lists and calls for help for help would be the only thing you
can really do besides just hitting the button and merging it.

 - J<

[Kalev Lember]

On 06/28/2018 03:42 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  The Python 3.7 rebuild in the f29-python side tag is currently:
>  
>    - 2168 built
>    - ~170 FTBFS
>    - ~120 blocked by dependencies that FTBFS
>  
>  Ideally, this would all get fixed before the merge, but that's 
>  unrealistic, there are packages that are FTBFS for unrelated reasons, etc.
>  
>  What is the criterion to merge the side tag?
>  
>  The critpath installs fine (except stuff that cannot be installed due to 
>  yum-deprecated vs yum collisions and gnome-software that has some broken 
>  dependency on PackageKit).
>  
>  Stuff that doesn't build and sounds important:
>  
>    - ceph (also FTBFS in regular rawhide)
>    - libreoffice (also FTBFS in regular rawhide)
>    - orca (blocked by pyatspi, looking at it ATM)
>    - kernel-tools 
I think it's fine to merge this with some broken dependencies remaining.
I would concentrate on getting those builds fixed that are in the
default install (Server, Workstation), with the goal being to keep
nightly composes working.

After that, I'd merge it immediately and continue the rebuilds in
rawhide proper.

Side tags that have a lot of packages start quickly diverging from
rawhide when people do regular rawhide updates and I think it's least
painful to aggressively merge this back to rawhide once it's good enough
(doesn't break default install composes).

Kalev

[Miro Hrončok]

On 28.6.2018 15:42, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  The Python 3.7 rebuild in the f29-python side tag is currently:
>  
>    - 2168 built
>    - ~170 FTBFS
>    - ~120 blocked by dependencies that FTBFS
>  
>  Ideally, this would all get fixed before the merge, but that's 
>  unrealistic, there are packages that are FTBFS for unrelated reasons, etc.
>  
>  What is the criterion to merge the side tag? 
OK. I'll ask releng to merge on Monday.

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[William Moreno]

>  OK. I'll ask releng to merge on Monday.
>
>  
Was it merged?

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 04:33:37PM -0600, William Moreno wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > OK. I'll ask releng to merge on Monday.
>  >
>  >
>  Was it merged? 
Yep.

Zbyszek