End user needs info: Freeplane on Fedora 17

[nomnex]

http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository (& Is
there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)?

I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems.

Thank you
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[Jochen Schmitt]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 08:39:48AM +0900, nomnex wrote:

>  Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository
> (& Is
>  there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)? 
As far I could find out there is no package with the name freeplane on
Fedora. With the command

$ yum list '<name>'

you can test the availablility of a package on Fedora.

for '<name>' you can specifiy a single name like gcc or a pattern
like 'freepl*'.

Best Regards:

Jochen Schmitt

[Frank Murphy]

On 12/04/12 00:39, nomnex wrote:
>  http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
>  Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository (&  Is
>  there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)?
>
>  I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems.
>
>  Thank you 
iirc, it was an olea package,
not a pkg from Fedora repos.

You my need to do Google search.

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[Aleksandar Kurtakov]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "nomnex" <nomnex(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: "List Fedora-dev" <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:39:48 AM
>  Subject: End user needs info: Freeplane on Fedora 17
>  
>  http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>  
>  Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository (&
>  Is
>  there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)? 
Will you be interested in becoming the one ? I would be glad to help by reviews and etc.

Alex



>  
>  I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems.
>  
>  Thank you
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[Caterpillar]

Which problems do you have with freemind? Maybe I can check and confirm or
not
Il giorno 12/apr/2012 01:39, "nomnex" <nomnex(a)gmail.com&gt; ha scritto:

>  http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
>  Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository (& Is
>  there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)?
>
>  I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems.
>
>  Thank you
>  --
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[Frank Murphy]

On 12/04/12 08:54, Caterpillar wrote:
>  Which problems do you have with freemind? Maybe I can check and
> confirm
>  or not 
Not *freemind*, but freeplane.


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[Aleksandar Kurtakov]

----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Frank Murphy" <frankly3d(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  To: devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:55:23 AM
>  Subject: Re: End user needs info: Freeplane on Fedora 17
>  
>  On 12/04/12 08:54, Caterpillar wrote:
>  > Which problems do you have with freemind? Maybe I can check and
>  > confirm
>  > or not
>  
>  Not *freemind*, but freeplane. 
"I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems." from the very
first mail in the thread.

Alex

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[Frank Murphy]

On 12/04/12 09:00, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:

>  "I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems." from the very
> first mail in the thread.
>
>  Alex 
My bad.

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[Johannes Lips]

As the maintainer of freemind, I also looked into packaging freeplane 
but I gave up since it adds a whole bunch of new deps. I didn't have the 
time and motivation to add all those, just for a program which basically 
does the same as freemind. I know that it does have some additional 
features and is a bit better maintained, but this didn't justify the 
additional workload for me.
This is also a result of the way Java projects ship their software which 
makes it hard to use it in a way, we need it in fedora.
I know that there were some issues of freemind with regard to exporting 
(which should be mostly fixed by now) and with the usage of Japanese 
Letters or Signs, but this is more an upstream thing and there is not 
much we could do about.
The only way freeplane is coming to fedora is that someone steps up and 
does the required packaging work. (Note that I am also not really a 
programmer and was also just an "end user" before I started working on 
fedora) ;-)

Johannes


On 04/12/2012 01:39 AM, nomnex wrote:
>  http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>
>  Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository (&  Is
>  there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)?
>
>  I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems.
>
>  Thank you

[Luca Botti]

Since is packed by Olea, why just ask for addition to fedora repositories?

On 12/04/2012 11:34, Johannes Lips wrote:
>  As the maintainer of freemind, I also looked into packaging
> freeplane
>  but I gave up since it adds a whole bunch of new deps. I didn't have
>  the time and motivation to add all those, just for a program which
>  basically does the same as freemind. I know that it does have some
>  additional features and is a bit better maintained, but this didn't
>  justify the additional workload for me.
>  This is also a result of the way Java projects ship their software
>  which makes it hard to use it in a way, we need it in fedora.
>  I know that there were some issues of freemind with regard to
>  exporting (which should be mostly fixed by now) and with the usage of
>  Japanese Letters or Signs, but this is more an upstream thing and
>  there is not much we could do about.
>  The only way freeplane is coming to fedora is that someone steps up
>  and does the required packaging work. (Note that I am also not really
>  a programmer and was also just an "end user" before I started working
>  on fedora) ;-)
>
>  Johannes
>
>
>  On 04/12/2012 01:39 AM, nomnex wrote:
> > http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> >
> > Will there be a Freeplane package available on the F17 repository (&  Is
> > there a Freeplane Fedora package maintainer)?
> >
> > I am using Freemind 0.9 on F15. It is not without problems.
> >
> > Thank you
>

[Stanislav Ochotnicky]

Quoting Luca Botti (2012-04-12 11:41:21)
> Since is packed by Olea, why just ask for addition to fedora
> repositories? 
As far as 3rd party Java rpms are concerned, these are fairly OK, but
they still bundle few other java libraries (for example jortho) so
packages can't be simply "added" to Fedora repositories.

They have to go through package review process just like any other new
packages and this will likely be more complicated than "copy the spec
and build the package". 

Still just looking at runtime dependencies, it shouldn't be *that* hard
to package it. However I am more than fine with the way hannes has been
taking care of Freemind in Fedora and don't need Freeplane myself so it
would have to be done by someone else. I'd be willing to help with
initial mentoring of potential packager though :-)

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[nomnex]

>  On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:34:07 +0200
>  Johannes Lips <johannes.lips(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote: 
Hello, nice to meet you.

>  As the maintainer of freemind, I also looked into packaging freeplane
>
>  but I gave up since it adds a whole bunch of new deps. I didn't have
>  the time and motivation to add all those, just for a program which
>  basically does the same as freemind. 
There are some deeper changes since v.1.2, I guess.

I know that it does have some
>  additional features and is a bit better maintained, but this
> didn't
>  justify the additional workload for me. 
> From my readings on the Freeplane wiki, the xml format of v.1.2
differs more from FM 0.9.0 xml.

>  This is also a result of the way Java projects ship their software
>  which makes it hard to use it in a way, we need it in fedora. 
Effectively, I am not too lucky with the Open-JDK on one of my
notebook. I must kill the ibus daemon (I learn Japanese), else I lose
keyboard input in the Freemind window.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=810764

On the same machine, I tried freeplane beta 1.2, and the CPU cycle rose
to 100%. I don't know if the proprietary Java JRE would fix these
issues? I only use Freemind as Java application

>  I know that there were some issues of freemind with regard to
>  exporting (which should be mostly fixed by now) 
It is fixed in the F-16 package

and with the usage of
>  Japanese Letters or Signs, but this is more an upstream thing and
>  there is not much we could do about. 
Wouldn't be better to orphan FM, and package FP instead? There must be
good reasons if this fork has happened. When I look at the FM bugs & the
feature requests on sourceforge, there is little feedback, for what I
could read.

It's only a question. I don't know the about the FM dev. team. I have
only tried both applications, I read both wiki, and I read the FP user
feedback, it looks overly good.

>  The only way freeplane is coming to fedora is that someone steps up
>  and does the required packaging work. (Note that I am also not really
>  a programmer and was also just an "end user" before I started working
>  on fedora) ;-) 
I see, so unless you "like it better" for any reason, freeplane is not
coming in the F-repository. I have looked at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package. It's above
my competence.

As someone else pointed out in another reply, there is a FP rpm package
for OpenSuse. Are the OpenSuse packages compatible with Fedora?


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[Kevin Kofler]

nomnex wrote:
>  I don't know if the proprietary Java JRE would fix these issues?
I doubt it. The proprietary Java is technically almost identical to OpenJDK, 
the biggest difference is the license.

        Kevin Kofler

[nomnex]

>  On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:25:02 +0200
>  Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:
>
>  nomnex wrote:
>  > I don't know if the proprietary Java JRE would fix these issues?
>  
>  I doubt it. The proprietary Java is technically almost identical to
>  OpenJDK, the biggest difference is the license. 
Thanks for the info. I won't try then.

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