[Developer-portal] Re: FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C# IDEs and Mono updates; Python, Docker and Haskell fixes

[Pavel Valena]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Radka Janekova" 
> To: "Pavel Valena" , "Neal Gompa" , "Brian Exelbierd" ,
> "Justin W. Flory" 
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 1:16:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Developer-portal] Re: FDP release and statistics 10/2017: C# IDEs and Mono updates; Python, Docker and
> Haskell fixes
>
> Hi,
>
> @pvalena please don't remove (or move) anything til we get some answers.

Sorry, too late.

https://github.com/developer-portal/developer.fedoraproject.org/commit/1006e...

I can push the fix (or revert) on Tue afternoon, if you manage to have it till then. I'm afraid I'll be unavailable afterwards for 1.5w.
> @ngompa13
> > It was already a bit of a stretch with Visual Studio
> > Code, given that literally no one is working on bringing that into
> > Fedora
>
> I am not a 'no one' =(
> My team will be, step by step: .NET Core first.

I had already one 'complaint' that it's not in Fedora (I prefer to call it a request).
> @bex (had countless of conversations about C# on Fedora) & @jflory7 (is
> using C# on Fedora, knows the problems.) what are your opinions on this? Do
> we need to make it a council ticket or bring it to council list or
> something along the lines?
> TLDR: JetBrains Rider is not FLOSS and should be pushed below VS Code,
> Mono, and Eclipse on the developer portal (fedoraloves.net) despite Rider
> being the only actually capable C# IDE on Linux at this time.

Looking forward for answers.
> As I see it, we should be unbiased and provide actual information for
> Developers interested in using Fedora. By doing this, the information will
> no longer be unbiased. I refuse to provide false, incomplete, or otherwise
> wrong information. Fedora is Operating System that is targeting developers
> who need the best IDE available for their work. As of today, Rider is the
> only IDE capable of working with netcore *and* mono that actually works
> without any other issues. Eclipse requires either non-floss netcore
> packages from Microsoft, or hacked up ours to work - and even then it's a
> *maybe* with uncertain results (it works only with projects created in
> Eclipse and won't open anything created in any other ide or cli, even with
> our hacked up packages.) And VS Code is actually in the same boat, as they
> both use OmniSharp under the hood. MonoDevelop is MonoDevelop, although a
> good IDE, the title says it all. It's mono-only. So to sum it up, Rider is
> the only reliable way to work with C# in any Linux, not only Fedora. As a
> bonus for C# developers who are likely to have either Mac or Windows as
> well, it's multiplatform and works exactly the same way on all the
> platforms (even the whole configuration can be shared via
> nextcloud/dropbox/whatever.) And at least they give free licenses for Open
> Source projects.

Sounds reasonable, but on the other hand, Neal has some good points.
I think I'll send FDP release info (+reference to this thread) to fedora-devel ML tomorrow evening, so it gets more traction.

Pavel
> Regards,
> Radka
>
> *Radka Janeková*
> .NET & OpenShift Engineer, Red Hat
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