Fedora Women's Day Issues

[A. Mani]

Since the very idea was conceived in March'2016, I am having issues
with budgeting (and other organizers will also have similar issues) as
the rule book for ambassadors  says that I should have applied in the
previous year.

What can be done on the matter?

Thanks and Best

A. Mani

Prof(Miss) A. Mani
CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
http://about.me/logicamani
sip:[e-mail]

[Mark Terranova]

Prof Mani, I support the Outreach efforts, but for a while have been
concerned with unfunded mandates. Requiring regions to fund these events
seems counter to helpful. As in supporting Inclusion will take away from
local Fedoran's already limited budget.

I'm preparing to be really uppity if need be, I'm hoping that doing this
will create less liabilities for others. This sorta thing is why I was
recruited from Fedora. I'm reaching out to my contacts within the group
behind the scenes to see what can be done. I already have a meeting
scheduled next week, and have folks "able to do a meeting at end of month."
A month is too long to wait.

I'll update as things develop.

As to specifics of your event, I was mistaken in thinking these events
would be Project wide. Im avoiding details of your event (for now :D.) I'm
trying to walk the line here, so I can be able to react as needed. I've
already reached out to RH's CEO on Twitter, and have made clear if needed
he'll join the dialog if need be.

At this point we are having to Fight Fedora for having an event. This time
would be better spent planning, IMHO.

Let's see Fedora live by Being Excellent to Each Other,

-MD,

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 12:33 AM, A. Mani  wrote:
> Since the very idea was conceived in March'2016, I am having issues
> with budgeting (and other organizers will also have similar issues) as
> the rule book for ambassadors  says that I should have applied in the
> previous year.
>
> What can be done on the matter?
>
> Thanks and Best
>
> A. Mani
>
> Prof(Miss) A. Mani
> CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
> HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
> Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
> http://about.me/logicamani
> sip:[e-mail]
> _______________________________________________
> diversity mailing list
> [e-mail]
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Mark Terranova  wrote:
> Prof Mani, I support the Outreach efforts, but for a while have been
> concerned with unfunded mandates. Requiring regions to fund these events
> seems counter to helpful. As in supporting Inclusion will take away from
> local Fedoran's already limited budget.

Outside of Fedora Events, and newly this year, funding for Outreachy
Internships, there is no 'central funding.' It is my understanding
(I'm relatively new here) that as a project we believe that the
regions should have as much autonomy over their own budgets, and
decide how best to spend their funding in their local areas. This
includes Diversity and Inclusion efforts, which are facilitated and
guided by the Fedora Council, the Fedora Project and Community Lead,
and the newly selected Fedora Diversity Advisor.
> I'm preparing to be really uppity if need be, I'm hoping that doing this
> will create less liabilities for others. This sorta thing is why I was
> recruited from Fedora. I'm reaching out to my contacts within the group
> behind the scenes to see what can be done. I already have a meeting
> scheduled next week, and have folks "able to do a meeting at end of month."
> A month is too long to wait.

"Being uppity" doesn't sound like the way that Friends (one of
Fedora's foundations) treat eachother. Please just default to open,
and be honest and positive.
> I'll update as things develop.
>
> As to specifics of your event, I was mistaken in thinking these events would
> be Project wide. Im avoiding details of your event (for now :D.) I'm trying
> to walk the line here, so I can be able to react as needed. I've already
> reached out to RH's CEO on Twitter, and have made clear if needed he'll join
> the dialog if need be.

Though Red Hat does support Fedora as a community project, and we are
very very thankful, Fedora has it's own governing body and community
process for making decisions together. You are certainly free to reach
out to whomever you'd like to on twitter, but know that when you do so
outside of (and in some ways contrary to) the established channels of
communication and process of addressing budget issues (which are
agreed upon and openly discussed and decided) you are no longer
representing the "whole" of the Fedora community, but your own
individual interests.

If we are going to make an effective organizational request, we need
to do so as an organization, with a unified and agreed upon approach,
with data and evidence to back up our claims. Other approaches will
appear disorganized, fragmented, and unsupported, and can actually
*hurt* our ability to make the case for increased funding later.

Numerous times I have advised on the way to most productively
contribute to the budgetary process--helping regions report action and
impact of their spending, and making the case for increasing future
spend by making projections based data and proposed activities. I will
continue to advise you to constructively and positively participate in
the budget process in this manner if you actually want to help.
> At this point we are having to Fight Fedora for having an event. This time
> would be better spent planning, IMHO.

I do not see where we are "fighting" about the event? There is nothing
preventing anyone from creating a ticket or wiki page to start
planning an event or series of events. In fact, that is a requirement
for requesting funding for events in most regions, and a logistical
necessity for folks to understand where they can help contribute.

If you have concerns with the larger budget process as a whole, please
address your concerns to the council-discuss list. When I read this
thread, I read it as a logostical question about funding/sponsoring a
regional event, and have responded as such.

Hope this helps,
--RemyD.
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 12:33 AM, A. Mani  wrote:
> > Since the very idea was conceived in March'2016, I am having issues
> > with budgeting (and other organizers will also have similar issues) as
> > the rule book for ambassadors  says that I should have applied in the
> > previous year.
> >
> > What can be done on the matter?
> >
> > Thanks and Best
> >
> > A. Mani
> >
> > Prof(Miss) A. Mani
> > CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
> > HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
> > Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
> > http://about.me/logicamani
> > sip:[e-mail]
> > _______________________________________________
> > diversity mailing list
> > [e-mail]
> >
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]
>
> diversity mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:33 AM, A. Mani  wrote:
> Since the very idea was conceived in March'2016, I am having issues
> with budgeting (and other organizers will also have similar issues) as
> the rule book for ambassadors  says that I should have applied in the
> previous year.

Each ambassador region has their own process for organizing and
sponsoring events. If you haven't yet, I would suggest you join
#fedora-ambassadors on IRC in Freenode, and ask some of the folks
there how to go about requesting resources and organizing events in
your region. The [e-mail] mailing list is
also a good place to ask too, once you get some concrete instructions.
If you do not get a response, respond here and let us know.

Hope This Helps,
--RemyD.
> What can be done on the matter?
>
> Thanks and Best
>
> A. Mani
>
> Prof(Miss) A. Mani
> CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
> HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
> Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
> http://about.me/logicamani
> sip:[e-mail]
> _______________________________________________
> diversity mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[A. Mani]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Remy DeCausemaker  wrote:
> Each ambassador region has their own process for organizing and
> sponsoring events. If you haven't yet, I would suggest you join
> #fedora-ambassadors on IRC in Freenode, and ask some of the folks
> there how to go about requesting resources and organizing events in
> your region. The [e-mail] mailing list is
> also a good place to ask too, once you get some concrete instructions.
> If you do not get a response, respond here and let us know.

I am long-time ambassador and I posted because the apac process
does not accommodate late events like these

Best

A. Mani

Prof(Miss) A. Mani
CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
http://about.me/logicamani
sip:[e-mail]

[María Leandro]

Do you have the budget request listed anywhere?

2016-05-07 0:10 GMT-04:00 A. Mani :
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Remy DeCausemaker 
> wrote:
> > Each ambassador region has their own process for organizing and
> > sponsoring events. If you haven't yet, I would suggest you join
> > #fedora-ambassadors on IRC in Freenode, and ask some of the folks
> > there how to go about requesting resources and organizing events in
> > your region. The [e-mail] mailing list is
> > also a good place to ask too, once you get some concrete instructions.
> > If you do not get a response, respond here and let us know.
>
> I am long-time ambassador and I posted because the apac process
> does not accommodate late events like these
>
> Best
>
> A. Mani
>
> Prof(Miss) A. Mani
> CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
> HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
> Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
> http://about.me/logicamani
> sip:[e-mail]
> _______________________________________________
> diversity mailing list
> [e-mail]
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[A. Mani]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:19 PM, María Leandro  wrote:
> Do you have the budget request listed anywhere?

Yes it is in APAC trac #237
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report

We have outstation speakers from RedHat and have to take care of their TA  too.

Best

A. Mani

Prof(Miss) A. Mani
CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
http://about.me/logicamani
sip:[e-mail]

[María Leandro]

Hey!

The FWD as we listed before will be an online event running locally on each
participant (such as we do with FLISoL) not needing more than a computer, a
webcam, microphone and internet.

Any budget needs should be addressed on the local meetings held for each
location. Lets remember please that budget is handled on each Region, I'm
not in charge or handling any budget nor have the power to decide where
funds go.

A friendly reminder to everyone:

Money is just a plus, yet is not a need for an event.

2016-05-04 3:33 GMT-04:00 A. Mani :
> Since the very idea was conceived in March'2016, I am having issues
> with budgeting (and other organizers will also have similar issues) as
> the rule book for ambassadors  says that I should have applied in the
> previous year.
>
> What can be done on the matter?
>
> Thanks and Best
>
> A. Mani
>
> Prof(Miss) A. Mani
> CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
> HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
> Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
> http://about.me/logicamani
> sip:[e-mail]
> _______________________________________________
> diversity mailing list
> [e-mail]
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/[e-mail]

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 02:09:32PM -0430, María Leandro wrote:
> Any budget needs should be addressed on the local meetings held for each
> location. Lets remember please that budget is handled on each Region, I'm
> not in charge or handling any budget nor have the power to decide where
> funds go.

Thanks Maria. If we find that the regional process isn't sufficient, we
can look at allocating a central reserve for this as well. As everyone
following the budget discussion right now in the Council Discuss list
can see, we're feeling pretty tight this time around (not because
there's less money total, but because we're trying to bring abstract
budgets in line with reality, and it's a little painful).
> Money is just a plus, yet is not a need for an event.

That's a good reminder!