8:22 p.m.
bee2502 reported a new issue against the project: `fedora-diversity` that you are
following:
``
In the past, Fedora Women has acted as a supportive group to connect and assist women
interested in using and and contributing to Fedora. Unfortunately, it is now defunct and
we do not have any alternative in it's place.
Link to Fedora Women Page on Fedora wiki : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Women
I was hoping that Diversity team could help revitalize Fedora Women. I am willing to help
lead the efforts. However, along with the IRC channel and mailing list, I propose that we
should also have a Telegram channel (primary means of communication, if possible) - due to
it's ease of communication, wide outreach amongst open source contributors and ease of
tracking communications and discussing issues.
Along with following it's earlier mission statement, Fedora Women would also act as
-
* A channel to highlight contributions of women and underrepresented communities in
Fedora.
* Informal feedback channel about diversity and inclusion across different parts of Fedora
Project.
* Provide role models and mentors for newcomers to Fedora community from under
represented areas.
I am open to any suggestions about how this channel can be further used to build diversity
and inclusion in the community. Also, it would be great if we can have a Fedora Women FAS
group, if there isn't one already. However, this is open to discussion.
``
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8:24 p.m.
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8:24 p.m.
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bee2502.
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8:24 p.m.
The issue: `Revitalizing Fedora Women ` of project: `fedora-diversity` has been assigned
to `bee2502` by bee2502.
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9:33 p.m.
jflory7 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Just as a side thought to this point:
I was hoping that Diversity team could help revitalize Fedora Women.
I am willing to help lead the efforts. However, along with the IRC channel and mailing
list, I propose that we should also have a Telegram channel (primary means of
communication, if possible) - due to it's ease of communication, wide outreach amongst
open source contributors and ease of tracking communications and discussing issues.
It would be possible to set up a bridge between IRC and a Telegram group, similar to
what's being used by the Fedora, LibreOffice, Sugar Labs, and Fedora LATAM
communities. See the [GitHub repo](https://github.com/RITlug/teleirc) for more info.
``
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10:36 p.m.
amsharma added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
This is a good start and it will help bring in more women and participation for fedora
women day.
Can we expand this effort to include more underrepresented group, not just women like
LGBT
``
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12:10 a.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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@jflory7 thanks for the info! We should def do that.
I am open to expanding the effort.
However, if so, do we need a different name then Fedora Women ? I feel that people are
already know Fedora Women and it would be easier to spread awareness about it. On the
other side, some community members who are non-binary might feel excluded. However, we
also need to consider the percentage of such contributors and weigh the pros and cons of
whatever we decide.
``
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1:01 p.m.
rhea added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Based on some comments here and on telegram I'm starting to get worried that the
primary objective has been lost. Let me ask this, are we creating 2nd Diversity group, or
are we creating Fedora Women group? Women + LGBTQASDFASDFASDF is Diversity.
``
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3:26 p.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@rhea - We definitely need a detailed description of the project and the goals. I think
@meskarune addresses exactly this issue in IRC channel. Diversity team is to create
awarness and promote diversity and inclusion in Fedora community. While gender diversity
is important to cause of diversity and inclusion, it is not the only kind of diversity
Fedora Diversity team works towards promoting in Fedora community.
Additionally, the goals of a group like FedoraWomen (which also supports non-binary
people) are to provide them a safe space, supporting forum and also networking
opportunities. This group is not open to male contributors - unlike Fedora Diversity team
where we aim to include everyone regardless of their gender, race, ethnic background
etc.
``
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3:29 p.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Here are the insights from the discussion with @meskarune in IRC -
* Having clear goals for Fedora Women visible to community and especially women is
important.
* Having strict and specific rules for the group and a feedback channel to contact
moderators help foster building a safe space for everyone in the group. These resources
should be available to all members of the group.
* Having conflict resolution guidelines and a clear guidelines on what topics are not
acceptable is necessary with strict rule enforcements in case of violations.
* Having active moderators in group is necessary to sustainability - atleast one moderator
should be active at all times.
* Moderators should ensure fairness. For this, having a moderator guidelines document is
important. Check out Fedora IRC group for guidelines.
* Communication between moderators is important.
* Bans and un-bans in the channels should be logged with nick, reason and date. Talk to
Fedora IRC group about this.
* Existing members engaging with newcomers when the join the group make newcomers feel
welcome and included. A simple ‘Hi!’ goes a long way.
* Outreach and awareness are important with gradual progress from small to big events for
on boarding contributors.
[1] https://archwomen.org/wiki/aw-org:irc
[2] https://archwomen.org/wiki/aw-org:conflict_resolution
[3] Women who hack website
``
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3:46 p.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Here are the next steps we need to do -
[ ] Research on LinuxChix, WoMoz, Debian Women, Ubuntu Women on community guidelines and
moderator guidelines.
[ ] Community Member Guidelines
[ ] Moderator Guidelines
[ ] Feedback channel to moderators ( fedora-women-private mailing list would be ideal
here)
[ ] Tool to log violations, bans and un-bans in the channel
[ ] Proposal for Magazine article
[ ] Outreach articles on Community Blog and Magazine
[ ] Fedora Women page wiki gardening to add updated information regarding mission, how to
join and who will join, community member guidelines, moderators and moderator
guidelines.
[ ] Bridge between IRC channel and Telegram group.
``
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5:30 p.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Ubuntu Women conducted a community survey to learn what people expected from the Ubuntu
Women project in 2013. Learning from the insights they generated could be useful for us in
long term.
Links to the survey results are here -
http://blog.ubuntu-women.org/2013/09/ubuntu-women-survey-2013-results-par...
http://blog.ubuntu-women.org/2013/10/ubuntu-women-survey-2013-results-par...
Findings -
* Learning about how women can join Ubuntu and about contributions of women to Ubuntu
seemed the top interests amongst community.
* Helping newcomers and women get involved in Ubuntu was something Ubuntu community wished
Ubuntu project was doing more of. (more active involvement, than passive outreach)
More concrete suggestions extracted from survey which could be relevant to us in future -
* Get some of the interviews published in a more widely read Linux magazine or popular
website so a wider audience could read them
* Find more stories about kids and specifically girls and their projects. It is easier to
engage kids
* More marketing in localized regions and work to bring up a program for potential female
leaders
* Making sure images of women were included (and not excluded) in any relevant media.
``
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6:43 p.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
Sorry for the closed source choice, etherpad is crashing a lot here. Here is a link to
updated information about Fedora Women, it's mission, information on who can join and
participation guidelines in Fedora women community -
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RafBOxPW0VTJbSm6A1GmucKwxOFpvFD_dcWiF...
Please comment and leave your feedback soon.
``
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6:14 a.m.
rhea added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
### Moderation Guidelines
But you can't have moderators of the only active channels `#fedora` &
`#fedora-devel` working for Fedora Women. She is not driving only that effort, she is
driving the community as whole. Major difference here. We can merely nudge the `irc-sig`
and point out some things we would like, but we can not own that group.
I'll be more than happy to write the moderation guidelines for Fedora Women **and
communicate it with the `irc-sig`** to spread it to the more public channels. You can
throw that and any other moderation stuff at me.
_I've seen the doc, and I am strongly against half of it. It misses the main purpose
of moderation as community management tool - to grow the community. You don't want to
just selectively remove people you don't like, you want to teach them how to behave.
Not all of it applies here because it's aimed towards different kind of community, but
you can read about that ideology in [my
article](http://rhea-ayase.eu/articles/2016-11/On-the-topic-of-moderation)._
### Etherpad
Try [etherpad.persephone.cloud](https://etherpad.persephone.cloud) - it is my server, the
data will be safe, and it's in Amsterdam and not NA as everything. Just try it if it
works, I'm curious if it is the geographical problem or something else.
``
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1:47 a.m.
New subject: [diversity] Re: [fedora-diversity] Issue #19: Revitalizing Fedora Women
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Radka Janek <pagure(a)pagure.io> wrote:
I'll be more than happy to write the moderation guidelines for
Fedora Women **and communicate it with the `irc-sig`** to spread it to the more public
channels. You can throw that and any other moderation stuff at me.
_I've seen the doc, and I am strongly against half of it. It misses the main purpose
of moderation as community management tool - to grow the community. You don't want to
just selectively remove people you don't like, you want to teach them how to behave.
Not all of it applies here because it's aimed towards different kind of community, but
you can read about that ideology in [my
article](http://rhea-ayase.eu/articles/2016-11/On-the-topic-of-moderation)._
This strategy would be a waste of resources.
Best
A Mani
Prof(Miss) A Mani
CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS, IEEE
HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
sip:girlprofessor@ekiga.net
11:46 a.m.
bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@rhea It would be great if you can help us with Moderation Guidelines. However, please
open a new etherpad - so that we do not lose the original info from google doc. It would
be great if this can be done by Monday as we have outreach articles coming out soon.
re: etherpad I am working with your suggestion now and if all goes well, will port it to
etherpad soon.
``
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2:02 a.m.
New subject: [diversity] Re: [fedora-diversity] Issue #19: Revitalizing Fedora Women
Points to consider
1. A proper understanding of target group and
proposed efforts in the context of realities.
2. Would conscious efforts be considered for targeting woman with
limited to no career related interests in Fedora/related ecosystem?
3. Collaboration beyond colleges is important. Is anything being planned?
Best
A Mani
Prof(Miss) A Mani
CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS, IEEE
HomePage: http://www.logicamani.in
Blog: http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
sip:girlprofessor@ekiga.net
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Bhagyashree Padalkar <pagure(a)pagure.io> wrote:
>
> bee2502 added a new comment to an issue you are following:
> ``
> @rhea It would be great if you can help us with Moderation Guidelines. However,
please open a new etherpad - so that we do not lose the original info from google doc. It
would be great if this can be done by Monday as we have outreach articles coming out
soon.
>
> re: etherpad I am working with your suggestion now and if all goes well, will port
it to etherpad soon.
>
>
> ``
>
> To reply, visit the link below or just reply to this email
> https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/19
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11:03 a.m.
rhea added a new comment to an issue you are following:
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Feel free to do whatever you want with it, this is the idea:
http://rhea-ayase.eu/articles/2017-04/Moderation-guidelines
``
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12:42 p.m.
meskarune added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
You don't want to just selectively remove people you don't
like, you want to teach them how to behave.
I disagree. This is not fedora women's job. Fedora women is a safe space which
wouldn't be a safe space if women are having to hand hold ignorant people to teach
them to stop being hurtful to others. I really feel that this job should fall to the rest
of fedora community and perhaps fedora diversity.
``
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2:41 p.m.
rhea added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
It's a safe place, yes, and explaining someone that they should not be an ass before
banning them doesn't hurt anyone and helps the community grow the right way. Not
women's job, the **moderators'**.
``
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6:24 p.m.
jonatoni added a new comment to an issue you are following:
``
@bee2502 I would like more time to check the information about Fedora Women.
After doing some brainstorming and improve the information that is on Fedora Wiki, I think
it's really important to discuss about this during our next meeting together with
other members. After having their approval/opinions we can publish Magazine and Community
Blog articles. I don't think that we should post articles or update the wiki
earlier.
Let's give more time to all of us, in order to have a good "product" in the
end.
``
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