13:02 < stickster> <meeting>
13:02 < jmbuser> John Babich
13:03 * stickster yields floor to quaid__ to run
13:03 < quaid__> oh, thanks
13:03 < quaid__> I don't even have a proper nick
13:04 * quaid__ grabs for agenda straws
13:04 < quaid__> oh, did we need/want to vote to remove the % of l10n to be included?
13:04 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
13:04 < quaid__> I think that's a done deal?
13:05 < stickster> Well, there were exactly 0 objections, so I think we could move on that basis
13:05 * jmbuser returns
13:05 < stickster> It really makes sense, since the rest of Fedora sets no such boundaries
13:06 < stickster> So +1 here
13:06 < quaid__> +1 here too
13:06 < quaid__> isn't that package spun though?
13:06 < jmbuser> ?
13:06 < stickster> This is how the current package is generated, so this generates an action item for me of "nothing"
13:06 < stickster> ;-)
13:06 < quaid__> ok
13:07 < stickster> tee hee
13:07 -!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Documentation meeting - Revisor docs?
13:07 < quaid__> ah, thanks, yes
13:08 < stickster> I'm not sure what the purpose of this agenda item is at this point. We agreed last meeting to talk about this on list, but no one did
13:08 < quaid__> well
13:08 < quaid__> you sent a post
13:08 < quaid__> and there wasn't more after that?
13:08 * quaid__ smells a fast meeting at this rate
13:08 < stickster> There was one query from MarcW about it, but it was more asking the same question as the original post
13:08 < quaid__> yeah, we still need to discuss that, i think
13:09 < stickster> I'm happy there are people on the list doing anything at this point
13:09 < stickster> couf++
13:09 < stickster> As long as couf keeps those folks engaged and on top of the AdminGuide tasks, progress will continue! :-)
13:10 < SgtDitt> ;-)
13:10 < quaid__> ok, so that item is bounced on the agenda until discussion occurs on list
13:10 < quaid__> newbsters++ are fun to help
13:10 < stickster> I've noticed that the reorganization of the fp.o front pages (static) now cast the wiki in the role of "developer docs"
13:11 < quaid__> hmmm
13:11 < quaid__> yah-ish
13:11 * stickster makes notes for a post to f-docs-l on this topic
13:11 < quaid__> I was thinking about 'community documentation'
13:11 < quaid__> w/ the click-through CLA we can really drive more users to write one-off stuff there
13:12 * quaid__ his having a singular inability to fix his nick, so will remain underscored for now
13:12 < quaid__> so
13:12 < quaid__> shall we poke at old wounds?
13:12 < quaid__> or what else would be fun?
13:13 < stickster> jmbuser: How are DUG efforts going?
13:14 < stickster> Anybody feel like going through bug lists to see what we can throw out or resolve quickly until ~1800 UTC or so?
13:14 < jmbuser> jmbuser: My day job is being uncooperative
13:14 < stickster> ah
13:15 < quaid__> jmbuser: probably more important than writing is coordinating other writers ...
13:15 < stickster> My sentiments exactly
13:15 < stickster> jmbuser: Might be a good chance to get a couple of the new folks on the list helping, then you do less work yourself.
13:16 < jmbuser> agreed
13:16 < quaid__> stickster: bug smashing? sure ... particular tracker? or maybe I should just start with what I own already ...
13:16 < quaid__> jmbuser: maybe coordinate a 'pile on'? refresh the tasks list and call for people to put down their pen on other stuff and take one section to finish?
13:17 < stickster> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora+Documentation&bug_...
13:17 < stickster> Only 99, not too shabby, and some of those are trackers
13:17 < quaid__> r-o
13:17 < quaid__> that is, right on
13:17 < quaid__> I'll start with what is assigned to me, from the top :)
13:17 * quaid__ can meet in IRC and bug smash at the same time, like HULK!
13:18 < stickster> OK, no reason to belabor this meeting then
13:18 < stickster> Maybe an AOB call?
13:18 * couf thanks: stupid me, forgot dst change
13:19 < couf> s/thanks/thinks
13:19 < quaid__> I am quite time confused, btw
13:19 < quaid__> it appears I didn't catch the tzdata update ...
13:19 < stickster> Uh?
13:19 < stickster> It's still DST here in US, right? Until next Sunday?
13:20 < SgtDitt> yes
13:20 < couf> euorpe changed today
13:20 < stickster> couf: Thanks, didn't realize that :-)
13:20 < quaid__> stickster: my clock changed last night because I didn't have an updated tzdata package
13:20 < couf> in other words, I could have gotten here :-/
13:21 < stickster> quaid__: oops, RHEL updates!
13:21 * stickster moves to adjourn since we're all about the TZ now
13:22 < SgtDitt> what are the big pushes for F9 docs/
13:22 < SgtDitt> ?
13:22 < stickster> SgtDitt: We REALLY need to have a DUG and an AdminGuide done. Like, three releases ago.
13:23 < couf> well yeah, that's the plan essentially
13:23 < quaid__> aye
13:24 < quaid__> yep, just those two are encompassing
13:25 < SgtDitt> finalize a list of what is desired in both guides, and I'll get busy
13:25 < stickster> SgtDitt: So if you have time and enthusiasm, please feel free to plow ahead on those.
13:25 < stickster> SgtDitt: You can work with couf, jmbuser, and other writers on the f-docs-l to coordinate big issues like organization and coverage.
13:25 < quaid__> SgtDitt: I think there is some good stuffin the tasks
13:25 < quaid__> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks
13:26 < quaid__> SgtDitt: that + the current ToC is a good start
13:26 < quaid__> we can always expand it after publishing
13:26 < quaid__> SgtDitt: how much from-DocBook have you done so far?
13:27 < SgtDitt> posting sendmail, dns, samba, squid this weekend
13:27 < SgtDitt> cleaning up my trashy pros... ;-)
13:27 < quaid__> hopefully the extra collaboration is worth it
13:28 < couf> yeah it's quite nice actually
13:28 < quaid__> anyway, the docbook conversion from Wiki isn't too terrible
13:29 < stickster> If you use a decent editor for adjusting tags it can go quite quickly
13:29 < stickster> Go Emacs!
13:29 < quaid__> ok, then ...
13:29 < quaid__> any other business?
13:29 < stickster> 0
13:29 < couf> 0
13:29 < SgtDitt> 0
13:30 < quaid__> okey
13:30 * quaid__ does the countdown dance
13:30 < quaid__> 5
13:30 < quaid__> 4
13:30 < quaid__> 3
13:30 < quaid__> 2
13:30 < quaid__> 1
13:30 < quaid__> </meeting>
Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/
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Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
I have finished converting from docbook to wiki. Please review and post
any issues you find for the following posted doc:
Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier, RHCE
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I made a very small start on the DNS section. Is it okay if I
copy+paste text from a presentation/talk I did, or is that now
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Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister(a)gmail.com>
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I know there was discussion about Revisor getting written but just
searching the wiki Jeroen aka. Kanarip has put a lot of documentation up
I would think this would be more of shifting it to docbook now? Just
thought I would point it out if anyone was looking at adding Revisor to
Full legal name : Debjit Saha
City, Country : Mumbai (India). Currently I am stay in Ranchi in India due
to my college-education purposes. But I am basically from Mumbai (india).
Currently I am pursuing a Bachelor`s Degree in Engineering majoring in
Electronics and Telecommunications from Birla Institute of Technology,
Ranchi-India. I am into my third semester now.
I plan to write documentation for any general software available on Fedora.
I have successfully completed a course in technical writing at my college.
Thus I can very well handle the documentation part of any software.
I have been regularly writing for our college magazine in the Linux section
and also I work with my Local LUGs both in Ranchi and Mumbai.
I am also responsible for the formation of a LUG in my college. I have also
designed and documented websites for various organisations in the past.
I am well familiar with programming on the GNU C++ compiler and also have
command over scripting languages-BASH. And concerning Soft-skills,
I have been actively the part of both the managerial and hospitality
committee of various events both local and in the College.
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The first four paragraphs slightly modified of the Overview page in
fedora. Reference to the base version is
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/overview . The bit below is my
additions/manipulations. Thoughts would be great.
An operating system, a set of projects, and a mindset.
What is Fedora? Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases
the latest in free and open source software. Sponsored by Red Hat who
aid in developing new and exciting <a
Contributions>. Fedora is always free for anyone to use, modify, and
distribute. It is built by people across the globe who work together as
a community: the Fedora Project. The Fedora Project is open and anyone
is welcome to join. The Fedora Project is out front for you, leading the
advancement of free, open software and content.
The operating system is Fedora. The predictable bi-yearly releases and
the continuing support for over twelve months are able to show you the
users and supporters the latest advancements available in the open
software world. It's completely free, and we're committed to keeping it
that way. It's the best combination of robust and latest software that
exists in the free software world.
The mindset is doing the right thing. To us, that means providing free,
innovative open software content, at no cost, freely usable, modifiable,
redistributable, and unencumbered by software patents.
Our partnership and sponsorship by Red Hat has enabled us to provide
quality open software content to the community. This open software is
providing benefits to millions of users around the globe with software
contributions such as SELinux, Xen Virtualization and Smolt to name a
few. The expansion of architectures have provided support for Sparc,
Alpha, IA64 and Arm with many more to follow.
The strong participation with the community of volunteers have helped to
create improvements in the way you install and maintain Fedora. Some
notable additions from the community have been Revisor, pungi and the
livecd-tools where you can create your personal spin of Fedora.
There are a few bits there where I think I might have gone to far.
Please critique as to whether I should cut some out and put it in other
I'm hoping the page(Fedora Feature Overview) that is being discussed on
the marketing list will get completed so that can be linked somewhere
within this document.