April 2007 - docs - Fedora mailing-lists

A bit of away time
by Dimitris Glezos 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

Hey all. Just a quick notice to say that for the following 2 months I'll be away from Fedora and mailing lists due to a pile of work and a ton of upcoming stuff (thesis writing, big trip, GSoC, blah). This is done to ensure that after this period I'll still have the little hair I'm left with. Not that it will do much help, but one can only hope. I'll try to pop-in every now and then with comments but avoid actual work and regular updates. For FDSCo, if my presence is needed for a meeting or my opinion for a matter, you guys just give a shout. Awaiting to return in full throttle again in the summer with the GSoC project. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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FDSCo Meeting 2007-04-15 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

= IRC Log = 09:06 < quaid> <meeting> 09:06 < quaid> and good morning, and welcome back jmbuser 09:07 < jmbuser> quaid: my eyes read docs but my brain hears meeting 09:07 < quaid> agenda at ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings 09:07 < jmbuser> quaid: nice to be back 09:07 < quaid> jmbuser: heh, no vacation quite like the end of vacation. 09:08 < robertjs> Good morning mates, my name is Robert and i'm a brand-new member of the docs project. 09:09 < jmbuser> robertjs: Greetings, Robert 09:09 < quaid> robertjs: good morning :) 09:09 < kiluawuyu> me, too :) 09:10 < robertjs> Thanks to all :) 09:10 < jmbuser> kiluawuyu: Good day to you 09:10 < kiluawuyu> Thanks a lot :D 09:11 * quaid updates the agenda a bit 09:11 < quaid> 1. 09:11 -!- Irssi: Pasting 6 lines to #fedora-docs. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. 09:12 < quaid> Finalize name and structure of Fedora 7 edition of Desktop User Guide - JohnBabich 09:12 < quaid> 2. Status of delivery test4 relese notes 09:12 < quaid> 3. GSoC thinking 09:12 < quaid> 4. Admin Guide discussion 09:12 < quaid> 5. L10N other 09:12 < quaid> something like that :) 09:12 < quaid> jmbuser: so, lots of DUG discussion, etc. How are you feeling about it all? 09:15 * quaid wonders if we lost jmbuser's 'net connection 09:15 < robertjs> :p 09:16 * quaid goes to 'cvs up -d' the release-notes module to see how that is in the meantime 09:16 < kiluawuyu> Do we need to add some other help document into DUG if typical error occurs? 09:16 < robertjs> jmbuser: Are you there? 09:16 < quaid> yeah, probably a dropped connection 09:17 < BobJensen-Away> I am really sorry I got my self "triple booked" this morning 09:17 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: hey, quick q for you 09:17 < BobJensen-Away> quaid: I should have about 15 minutes 09:17 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: since this is a test release, are we looser on the rules about "how much % translated" 09:17 < quaid> for the release notes 09:18 < BobJensen-Away> quaid: Yes, we are only hard core on the final 09:18 < quaid> I think some of what I see here is false fuzziness anyway, from the entities reversal 09:18 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: +1 09:18 < BobJensen-Away> as a result some may be in the test4 partially completed but not included in final if no progress is made 09:19 < BobJensen-Away> IIRC we had a 90% rule? is that correct for final? 09:19 < quaid> yes 09:19 < quaid> we may want to ask our L10n experts if that is reasonable, just be sure 09:19 < quaid> (we can follow up on that separately) 09:19 < BobJensen-Away> +1 to that 09:20 < BobJensen-Away> I like "any attempt" to be in the tests as a way of encouraging the translators 09:20 < quaid> yes 09:21 < quaid> it looks like we are a day ahead of schedule, I think the releases schedule bumped up by a day 09:22 * quaid is working on agenda item 2 in case it isn't clear 09:22 < quaid> making sure we are ready to deliver the release-notes package in time for test4 09:22 < quaid> (also the about-fedora and homepage modules) 09:23 < BobJensen-Away> quaid: RE: about-fedora 09:23 < BobJensen-Away> did we find a solution to the issue with that? 09:24 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: I *think* we have something working, but I forget the details 09:24 * quaid writes an email of a few questions for stickster_afk 09:24 < BobJensen-Away> OK, just checking, I was a little out of the loop on that item 09:24 < quaid> no worries, me too :) 09:25 -!- jmbuser_ [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.25.134] has joined #fedora-docs 09:25 < quaid> et voila! 09:25 < BobJensen-Away> We are checking out a new camping area this morning for our first campout planned for June 8 09:25 < jmbuser_> I'm back 09:25 < quaid> un bad net connection 09:25 * quaid high-5s BobJensen-Away 09:25 < quaid> excellent 09:25 < jmbuser_> Was it just me? 09:26 < quaid> jmbuser: yep 09:26 < quaid> jmbuser: we just finished with agenda item 2, held on for your return ... 09:26 < BobJensen-Away> My ride is just about here so i am going to take off 09:26 < quaid> I know how your connection can be at times 09:26 < jmbuser_> quaid: Apologies for my stinking ISP 09:26 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: thanks, see you 09:26 < quaid> jmbuser_: so, let me dig up my opening question for you ... 09:27 < quaid> jmbuser: so, lots of DUG discussion, etc. How are you feeling about it all? 09:27 * quaid == king of open questions 09:29 < jmbuser_> I would like to get agreement from everyone on the DUG (or new name to be determined) that we should have one doc with different sections covering the default (GNOME) and including KDE and (perhaps) Xfce. There would be common topics such as OpenOffice.org and Firefox. 09:29 < jmbuser_> agreed? 09:30 * jmbuser_ waits for input 09:30 * quaid +1 09:30 < quaid> but I was pretty clear abou that on list :) 09:31 < JonRob> +1 09:31 < JonRob> (but i must run...heading out to a concert) 09:31 < JonRob> have fun 09:31 -!- JonRob [n=jon(a)88-111-147-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #fedora-docs [] 09:31 < jmbuser_> It will be necessary to explain what a desktop (window manager) is and that GNOME is the default 09:32 < quaid> we'll find a way 09:32 < quaid> I had one question/thought ... would it help to have ... a checklist of what needs to be done in a section for it to be task-oriented v. reference-oriented 09:33 < quaid> and a list of all sections and how much of that is completed, etc. 09:33 < jmbuser_> Agreed 09:33 < robertjs> This initial set of apps sounds good to start. The main usage is Desktop windows and panels, Web browsers and office suite. 09:33 < quaid> checklist == derived from recent reviews and discussions 09:33 < jmbuser_> Now for the name - should we keep it Desktop User Guide or change it to something else, like Fedora New User Guide? 09:34 < robertjs> Humm... 09:35 < kiluawuyu> I think it's better to have "fedora" within the name~~ 09:35 < jmbuser_> I will prepare an outline and a checklist for people to track progress 09:35 < quaid> or ... Fedora User Guide and show "expert" sections as incomplete? 09:35 < BobJensen-Away> Is the document 100% fedora specific? 09:35 < quaid> +1 to Fedora in the name, that seems solid 09:36 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: yes, in that it is only what can appear in the distro (OOo, Fx, etc.) 09:36 < jmbuser_> +1 on Fedora in the name 09:36 < BobJensen-Away> Could it be used as the base for a generic linux users document? 09:36 < robertjs> My oppinion is that Fedora User Guide is better to the goal of manual. 09:36 < kiluawuyu> Linux users document maybe too big 09:36 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: it could, although those exist ... but there is some value in that, if we can connect across to other projects 09:36 < jmbuser_> Fedora User Guide (with possible Advanced sections added in the future) sounds good to me 09:37 < kiluawuyu> me too~ 09:37 * couf comes back 09:37 < BobJensen-Away> See my thinking is if we keep s somewhat generic name then distros based on Fedora could also make use of it 09:37 < quaid> jmbuser_: how about we specify e.g. three tasks to complete with each tool and how to do it? or some decision on tasks that can be described 09:37 < quaid> BobJensen-Away: they can rename it :) 09:37 < robertjs> jmbuser: Like some advanced settings or some basic command line topics? 09:37 < quaid> well, one thing that is true ... 09:37 < jmbuser_> The challenge is to meet our immediate need for Fedora while keeping it generic enough for upstream 09:38 < quaid> we have considered that *all* of the smaller guides 09:38 < quaid> can be stitched together into one Fedora Guide 09:38 < quaid> and the DUG == new users section 09:38 < quaid> ... and that is a goal of the project 09:38 < BobJensen-Away> OK ride is now here, I I just want it to be known that keeping the name "Fedora" out of the title would be a good thing in generaljust for the big picture 09:40 < quaid> I don't think it's needed 09:40 < quaid> since the title can be changed by downstream 09:40 < quaid> OPL and all that 09:40 < BobJensen-Away> that is just My opinion 09:41 * jmbuser_ is considering the options 09:41 < couf> quaid: +1 09:41 < jmbuser_> I agree that Fedora should stay in the title 09:43 < jmbuser_> Three tasks: 1. Common topics (OpenOffice.org, Firefox, etc.) 09:43 < jmbuser_> 2. GNOME apps presented as default apps 09:44 < jmbuser_> 3. KDE apps given as alternate apps (Konqueror, for example) 09:45 * jmbuser_ awaits response 09:45 < jmbuser_> Suggestion for new title: Fedora User Guide (emphasis on beginners) 09:45 < jmbuser_> agreed? 09:45 < kiluawuyu> agree 09:46 < couf> hmm, I wouldn't do that: KDE users will like to see just the default kde-apps and not get confronted with: 'hey konqueror is an alternative" 09:46 < kiluawuyu> Fedora User Guide with Desktop user and system administrator? 09:47 < jmbuser_> couf: I like KDE apps, but historically it's been a GNOME desktop 09:47 < couf> +1 to FUG 09:47 < couf> jmbuser_: true, but we're getting a kde spin this time, with *just* kde on it 09:47 < quaid> couf: it's more like ... KDE is not default, here is KDE 09:47 < quaid> ah 09:47 < quaid> or KDE is default :) 09:48 < quaid> ok, so neither is an alternative in the sense of "lesser" but in the sense of "other" 09:48 < couf> aye 09:48 < robertjs> We can keep KDE apps without use the word "alternative", just presenting it as more one free choice. 09:48 < couf> like divide each chapter into a gnome part and kde part 09:49 < jmbuser_> System Administrator Guide would be a separate doc 09:49 < kiluawuyu> what about a whole Gnome part and a KDE whole part 09:49 < robertjs> couf: It normally works! 09:50 < robertjs> couf: Tho splited sections in same chapter. 09:50 < jmbuser_> OK, most people are going to use Firefox, but Konqueror is a worthy alternative - how to present it is the issue 09:50 < robertjs> Two* 09:50 < couf> I'm just pointing out that we can't relay start off as: fedora is gnome, kde is alternate 09:50 < jmbuser_> Just present and leave off the GNOME/KDE labels - since the software installer will resolve all the dependencies? 09:51 < couf> hmm, see what opens by default in a kde spin, and what defaults in a gnome spin? 09:51 < couf> we should just state the defaults, as a beginner-oriented guide, imo 09:52 < jmbuser_> That occurred to me, but do we have the time and resources to produce a specific version for each spin - i don't think so 09:52 < jmbuser_> Maybe for a future release 09:53 < couf> jmbuser_: that depends, if we can get the kde sig into the game, the kde version can rock 09:53 < quaid> I think the main time sink there is the 2(Wiki) => 2(XML) 09:53 < quaid> couf: good point 09:53 < quaid> putting up the structure on the Wiki is a key first step, empty structure, I think 09:54 < couf> yeah give them the tools to do it, we'll handle the rest 09:55 -!- jmbuser_ [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.25.134] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:57 < quaid> oh, no, jmbuser! 09:57 < quaid> couf: do you think the KDE SIG will be more interested if we show a strong separation? 09:58 < quaid> v. "scroll down below the GNOME info and put in the KDE version there"? 09:58 < couf> I really don't know 09:58 < kiluawuyu> what about a KDE Plus section? 09:58 < couf> on the other hand, if they see all this gnome stuff written, they might want to do even better :) 10:00 < quaid> maybe we can use Include() to make them separate yet pulled together 10:00 < quaid> to be easier to work one 10:00 < quaid> that's one thing I like about MediaWiki, being able to edit == sub sections == separately 10:00 < kiluawuyu> Shall we put the regular things together and then add more words on what KDE could do? 10:00 < couf> quaid: +1 10:00 < kiluawuyu> quaid:+1 10:01 < kiluawuyu> Section: 10:01 < kiluawuyu> sub section: 10:01 < kiluawuyu> sub sectoin: 10:01 < kiluawuyu> like this? 10:01 < couf> kiluawuyu: yeah 10:02 < kiluawuyu> Agree :) 10:03 < couf> all right, maybe we should just start something else while awaiting jmbuser's return 10:03 < quaid> heh, i thought we'd end up discussing DUG all meeting 10:03 < quaid> without glezos, it's not worth discussing the GSoC and L10N connection 10:04 < couf> admin guide then, robertjs that seems to be yours 10:04 < robertjs> Ok 10:04 < quaid> I should just send a GSoC update to the list 10:04 < couf> quaid: right, glezos' app got selected, right? 10:05 * couf should stop typing "right" 10:05 < quaid> right! 10:05 < quaid> and a few others for us, and some interest in people who didn't get their apps acceptd to work on it anyway 10:05 < robertjs> I joined docs-project intending colaborate writing the sections of the Admin Guide's sections. 10:05 < couf> quaid: great :) 10:05 < quaid> so, we'll have 3 or 4 docs/l10n focused projects this summer 10:06 < robertjs> As I'm Braziliam my aim is write thos stuff in English and Portuguese 10:06 < quaid> nman64_away: who is Jeff Sheltren? 10:06 < robertjs> Anybody here started write some section? 10:07 < couf> robertjs: yeah that guide needs some love 10:07 < robertjs> couf: It will get a lot ;) 10:07 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.25.134] has joined #fedora-docs 10:07 < jmbuser> Good grief! 10:07 < couf> wb jmbuser 10:08 < couf> robertjs: I would say: dive in :) 10:08 < jmbuser> I actually was wrapping up 10:08 < robertjs> I posted a Self Presentation message on the discussion list, talking about my plans. Ill need help off native english speakers to revisions about my spelling :P 10:08 * jmbuser waits turn 10:08 < quaid> robertjs: no problem 10:09 < quaid> here, let's finish FUG discussion, just to tie back in what we suggested while jmbuser was gone 10:09 < robertjs> In the future i plan attack the current docs usggestin and write some new "in depth" docs about sysadmin topics. 10:09 < robertjs> Ok 10:09 < quaid> jmbuser: we thought we could get the KDE SIG more involved, use a set of stub sections to entice them, and design it on the Wiki as Include() based to make it easier to work on 10:09 < robertjs> this is all for now. 10:10 < quaid> robertjs: sounds good 10:10 < jmbuser> quaid: Good 10:10 < jmbuser> To sum up: 10:11 < jmbuser> 1. New title: Fedora User Guide 10:11 < jmbuser> 2. New structure (using includes) 10:12 < jmbuser> 3. Common, GNOME (default), KDE (have you considered...?) 10:12 < jmbuser> 4. Encourage KDE SIG to join in 10:12 < jmbuser> 5. Make F7 Deadline 10:13 < jmbuser> That's my viewpoint 10:13 * jmbuser finishes his contribution due to lousy internet 10:13 < kiluawuyu> F7 Deadline is included in FUG? 10:14 < couf> should we reconsider the topics, or go with the current flow? 10:14 < quaid> jmbuser: for 3, note that KDE is default on the KDE spin, so we want to make it clear that it's two choices, then from there .. 10:14 < quaid> couf: a thought on that ... 10:14 < jmbuser> quaid: That can flip based on includes 10:15 < quaid> maybe we want to pick e.g. 3 to 5 tasks per topic, make sure they are covered as how-to 10:15 < quaid> some things are obvious -- menu section == how to find stuff in these menus, etc. 10:15 < quaid> but for OOo or FX ... would that help? 10:16 < couf> OOo is to big to do that 10:16 < couf> I'd just explain what each different program does, but a bit more detailed then now 10:17 < jmbuser> Agreed, OOo is vast and we can only explain the basics of how to launch the app and point to other resources 10:17 < couf> FX is more of a: this is browser, go to google and start there :) 10:19 < jmbuser> couf: We can mention themes and extensions for Firefox, but can't get into depth 10:20 < quaid> ok, we can deep link to some OOo docs perhaps 10:20 < quaid> ... or go into how to hook OOo up for printing? 10:20 < quaid> anyway, that's off topic for this meeting that needs to come to an end 10:20 < robertjs> Dudes, I must to go now. Later i will look the chat log. Cya on discussion list or here. 10:20 < quaid> well, yeah, we need to finish 10:20 < couf> yeah indeed 10:20 < jmbuser> +1 10:21 < quaid> </meeting> -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Administration Guide
by Robert Pereira 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

Hi Mates, Following the Pauls's sugestion, I verified the Admninistratin Guide's draft (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide) and I'm happy to decided work on it. My CLA is already done and I'm ready to be included on Edit Group. For now my plans are to write completely the current topics and suggest new topics in the future. The ideas will flow!!! When the question appear in my mind, ill post here. See you at IRC. Note: Thanks Paul for the Job Tip ;) Robert Pereira pub 1024D/CD343232 2007-03-15 Key fingerprint = 3DA2 61E5 5B22 58F3 23F2 6528 ABEB 0BA8 CD34 3232 uid Robert Pereira (Fedora Projects Key) <robertjs(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/93CC96B8 2007-03-15

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Meeting 15 April 2007
by Paul W. Frields 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

I can't make the meeting tomorrow morning because I will be away from home most of the day. If anyone needs a status update from me on anything, I'm happy to provide it today via email, or just catch me on IRC. I'll be around a good portion of the day, trying to catch up on some work. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Self-Introduction: Robert Pereira
by Robert Pereira 14 Apr '07

14 Apr '07

Hello! My name is Robert J. S. Pereira. I'm living at Salvador city in Brazil. I'm working as Linux Systems and Networks Administrator and Instructor for 6 years. My current employer is 3Consult Soluções de TI (http://www.3consult.com.br) I wish write documentation to Fedora Core targeting systems administrators that want use Fedora Core to deploy infrastructure solutions. I want collaborate also to generate a set of free training stuff Fedora Core based to able persons or organizations use it in small courses/trainings. I think that the result can be a greater number of users that really know Fedora Core. Other mine desire is colaborate to produce documentation in same level that official Red Hat Documentation. My experience in documentation tasks started in 1999 when I wrote my first training manual about Microsoft products. After this I produced several Linux and Networking training manuals. In my last documentation effort i wrote more than 240 pages to a non-official Red Hat Enterprise Linux training sponsored by SENAI (www.cni.org.br) Beyond write documents I'm a experienced Linux system administrator building and deploying solutions using, SAMBA, Apache, OpenLDAP, NFS, Sendmail, Netfilter/Iptables and several services, as well technical support. Another large part of my time is occupied by teaching in official Mandriva Linux trainings since 2002. I wish teach official Red Hat Trainings (certification need :P ). I have good skills in shell scripting (I think that this can be better) that help me too much in my job and my plans include update my scripting skills with Perl or Python. I believe that I can use my experience in training and Linux documentation to add value to this project and make it continuously better. My regards, Robert Pereira pub 1024D/CD343232 2007-03-15 Key fingerprint = 3DA2 61E5 5B22 58F3 23F2 6528 ABEB 0BA8 CD34 3232 uid Robert Pereira (Fedora Projects Key) <robertjs(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/93CC96B8 2007-03-15

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Statistics for release notes
by Paul W. Frields 14 Apr '07

14 Apr '07

I've updated the release notes translation statistics page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics to include today's current status. As stated in a previous message to fedora-trans-list¹, today at 2359 UTC is the deadline for translations to these materials for the test4 release of Fedora 7. ** Only minor changes will be permitted to the release notes at this time, to ensure that translators are not burdened by too many new or fuzzy strings. ** The next (and FINAL) POT update will occur on 21 April 2007, and the absolute final deadline for translation PO files is 2359 UTC on 2 May 2007. Refer to the Documentation Project schedule² for more details. = = = = = ¹ http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-April/msg00006.html ² http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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DUG: Connecting to the Internet page skipped...
by Jonathan Roberts 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

...in navigation structure but is present in contents. Is there a reason for this or is it a mistake?! Screenshots for that page are currently in spanish as well. Jon

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Self-Introduction, Wu Yu
by 吴愚 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Hi all, Very pleased to join the fedora-docs-list! I am a undergraduate student of Tongji University, Shanghai, China, majored in Computer Science. I got good marks with my studies and was recommended to have graduate course without tests. I've been using Fedora Core from 1 to 6 since 2005 and I had a great experience. It widen my eyes with its beautiful user desktop and lots of open source software which I could modify them the way I wish! I consider it as a high efficiency operating system in which I could customize everything I like. One of the most important experience I have was that I won the third prize of National Intel Cup Embedded Competetion with the development environment of Fedora Core 4. Qt, Kdevelopment, Gaim....These tools really gave me excited experience. And most important of all, I enjoyed myself very much! Now I'm not satified with that I'm only a user. I want to be involved as one of the fedora core developers, too. First, I need to know more about Fedora Core, so I decide to work on the documentations first. And I'm ready to dodge myself in it! I hope you could accept me and help me at my startup. Thanks very much! Wu Yu

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[Bug 229153] docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common)
by Red Hat Bugzilla 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=229153 stickster(a)gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution| |RAWHIDE -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.

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Re: hi, will you please add me to the EditGroup of FedoraCoreProject?
by Yuan Yijun 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

2007/4/13, 吴愚 <kiluawuyu(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > *I have acquired an account for fedora account system with a username > "kiluawuy". > *I've register a wike account with a username "WuYu". Then add yourself on page EditGroupQueue http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue > *I've already join the fedora-docs-list and fedora-trans-list. > *Now I'm get on working with my selfintroduction. > But I've tried many times to request for the cvs group(cvs10n), but no > one replies at all...So I wonder if there's another we to remind them my > request? Just wait a day or two. Or try to cry alout in #fedora-docs of freenode. Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^

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Self-Introduction, Wu Yu
by 吴愚 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Hi all, Very pleased to join the fedora-docs-list! I am a undergraduate student of Tongji University, Shanghai, China, majored in Computer Science. I got good marks with my studies and was recommended to have graduate course without tests. I've been using Fedora Core from 1 to 6 since 2005 and I had a great experience. It widen my eyes with its beautiful user desktop and lots of open source software which I could modify them the way I wish! I consider it as a high efficiency operating system in which I could customize everything I like. One of the most important experience I have was that I won the third prize of National Intel Cup Embedded Competetion with the development environment of Fedora Core 4. Qt, Kdevelopment, Gaim....These tools really gave me excited experience. And most important of all, I enjoyed myself very much! Now I'm not satified with that I'm only a user. I want to be involved as one of the fedora core developers, too. First, I need to know more about Fedora Core, so I decide to work on the documentations first. And I'm ready to dodge myself in it! I hope you could accept me and help me at my startup. Thanks very much! Wu Yu

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Re: hi, will you please add me to the EditGroup of FedoraCoreProject?
by Yuan Yijun 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

2007/4/13, 吴愚 <kiluawuyu(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > I'm a undergraduate student of Tongji University, Shanghai, majored in > Computer Science. I've been using fedora core since 2005 and I think it it a > fantastic linux distribution. > I won the third-prize of Intel Cup Embedde Competetion with the > development environment of Fedora Core 4, and always kept up the latest > function and characteristic, such as beryl, xen, etc. Fedora Core gives me a > lot of fun and now I'm eager to be involved of it. > I decided to start as a translator of Fedora Core Documentations, so I > could learn more about FC and help others to get more information about FC > at the same time. > So will you please add me to the EditGroup? Thanks very much! > Looking forward to your reply. > > Wu Yu Hi, Have you get the following things done: * acquire an account for fedora account system * register a wiki account (if so, what is your account?) * join fedora-docs-list and fedora-trans-list * post a "SelfIntroduction" to the fedora-docs-list * request for proper cvs group priviledges (cvsl10n, cvsdocs) Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^

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[Fwd: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Docs/Beats/Colophon" by MagnusLarsson]
by Karsten Wade 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

-------- Forwarded Message -------- - * [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MagnusLarrson Magnus Larrson] (translator - Swedish) + * [http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MagnusLarsson Magnus Larsson] (translator - Swedish) D'oh! I think that was my mistake; rather obvious, too. Anyway, I fixed this in the XML but did *not* update the POT file. We'll merge this fix back into all the PO files after they are returned from translation, so the correction will make it into the ISO. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Self-Introduction: Jonathan Roberts
by Jonathan Roberts 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Hi! My name is Jonathan Roberts and I've been following the list for a while and thinking about contributing but not really sure about the best place to start - I figured I can't go wrong with a self-introduction :D Things you may want to know about me: I live in the UK and I'm currently taking a gap year before heading off to university to study Theology, rather bizarely after changing my mind about studying Physics and Philosophy last year! To help me pass the time I've worked on a few projects: the Questions Please... podcast (http://questionsplease.org) where I've interviewed a range of very exciting people including Richard Stallman, Jeremy Allison, Jeff Waugh and Mark Shuttleworth - though struggling to get a hold of someone from the Fedora Project; I've also almost finished producing the "Free Me" DVD - an attempt to promote free culture in general (http://questionsplease.org/freeme/) which I'm quite excited about. As for my qualifications as a writer/editor: I studied English at higher level on the International Bacallaureate and scored a 5 (hugely disappointed not to have got a 6); I've been doing a bit of writing for Free Software Magazine (http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blog/31677) and also a bit of editing when they've been short on time. I don't really have an idea of specific documents I would like to (help) write at the minute, I'll be sure to give this some thought over the next few days, but I do know that I would like to contribute back something to Fedora and I have the time and the inclination to, hopefully, make a reasonable contribution to the documentation project; if there's ever any editing that needs doing I'm happy to look over things like that as well. Well, that is possibly the longest self introduction you're ever likely to see?! Oh, and my GPG Key ID etc: B923BC72 1735 EF16 3EF2 EF9D A2DD 02B0 A791 8B23 B923 BC72 I prefer, however, to use webmail because I often access my e-mail from a number of different systems and it's easier for me to stay organised this way. I hope this is OK. Yours kindly, Jonathan Roberts

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Re: DUG Connecting to internet skipped...
by Nicolas A. Corrarello 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I asked someone to provide with In English screenshot, guess no one got to it yet. ... Please don't skip my page... nc Jonathan Roberts escribió: >> >> As for the vision, my eyesight's a little cloudy right now. I envision >> >> a core >> >> of common topics, such as OpenOffice.org and Firefox, with special >> >> sections on the particulars of GNOME, KDE, etc. A KDE example would >> >> be Konqueror. Of course, the GNOME, KDE and Xfce applications can be >> >> run from any window manager (with the required libraries installed). > > > > Would the best place to start be to try and draw up a comprehensive > > list of topics (or perhaps I should say tasks) that should be covered? > > Might be interesting to ask on the forums to get users feedback on > > what are the common tasks they do... >> >> >> >> I'm open to any ideas on the best way to organize the material. Some >> >> possibilities are: >> >> >> >> 1. Separate guides for GNOME and KDE. Xfce will be included if time >> >> permits. Obviously, there will be a great amount of overlap among the >> >> different guides. I believe these common topics are best handled >> >> by "includes" in both the wiki and DocBook versions. >> >> >> >> 2. A single guide which points out which apps are "native" to which >> >> window manager, but emphasizes that they can mix and match >> >> apps as desired, again with the required libraries installed. > > > > I think it's worth considering that the guides may be used by people > > who might not realise the difference between Gnome and KDE, in which > > case I think an integrated approach might be better as would help to > > make this clear. > > > > Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHj2T4UWy+d/Ik+4RAqrqAJ9FOiNOMz+dF71SmsMLaGmFtEgoAQCgqc+q nKVYQrNYTSvv/La0+WA0qS8= =NHqR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cannot Access Fedora Doc Cvs !!! : (
by vmlinz 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

I wanna update my local cvs directory, and run cvs up release-notes-devel, the server replied : Cannot access /cvs/doc/CVSROOT No such file or directory Then i ping fedoraproject.org , no response My translation job is being done , and I wanna make a html to check bugs : (

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Self-Introduction: Peter Sulyok
by Sulyok Peti 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Dear Fedora Members, My name is Péter Sulyok. I am from Budapest, Hungary. (+0100) I work on software development for a multinational mobile corp. I would like to take part in translation of docs/websites/packages, and start the Hungarian Welcome page in the wiki. I have been hanging around Fedora Project since the beginning. I have translated several packages for Fedora and other projects. I tried to write documentation (Firewall Tutorial), develop config tool (GUI for iptables) for Fedora. I have graduated in computer sciences, but I have got my computer skills mainly from the free softwares in the Internet. I work with Java, Oracle PL/SQL, and shell scripts now. I am also familiar with Python, C, C++, PHP, GTK+, QT, autoconf/automake, cvs, subversion, PostgreSQL, and system administration. Some of my products are available here: http://sp.web.elte.hu/index.html.en [peti@sutty ~]$ gpg --fingerprint E2EA75DC pub 1024D/E2EA75DC 2004-10-07 Key fingerprint = EE9A 945B C9FA 2943 656A A75A A92A 82E9 E2EA 75DC uid Sulyok Péter <peti(a)sulyok.hu> sub 2048g/DE2CE616 2004-10-07 Best Regards, Peti

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Fedora 7 DUG
by Karsten Wade 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

We need someone to step forward as a lead writer for the DUG. Is that John? You certainly did the bulk of that work in the last months before release. For Fedora 7, we can address some of the issues that we've known about, and which have come up in recent discussions: * Adding KDE * Continue focusing around tasks (what you can do, how to do it) * Push concept material (what is) to other documents For KDE, we'll need someone who knows KDE to write matching sections with the equivalent software. Anyone here interested? Or do we need to recruit someone? Bart has wrote down the process he used for converting the Wiki to XML. While I'm tempted to keep it in XML and edit that directly, I wonder if we'll still get more and better content if we use the Wiki and convert in a few weeks. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Common snippets
by Paul W. Frields 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

So today's realization of using xml:base triggered thoughts of a proper strategy for dealing with snippets. "Snippets" are what we've usually called the small pieces of XML that would be common across many documents, such as: * instructions for using CVS * legal notice in a variety of element structures * special notices such as how to report bugs A snippet might look like this: <tip> <title>Reporting Bugs</title> <para>Use Bugzilla and be forever in our hearts!</para> </tip> I am working on changing all common snippets into gettext form -- that is, using one basic XML (the en_US canonical version) and POT/PO to translate it. This is the same way we treat all other documents and the common entities. PROBLEM: --------- The location of a snippet is a URI that appears in a @href attribute in an <xi:include/> element. That means it can't be translated. But the @href must point to the proper locale version of a file, say, "legalnotice-en_US.xml" versus "legalnotice-pt_BR.xml". How do we ensure the @href points to the right place, in a sane, XML-compliant way? HYPOTHETICAL SOLUTION: ----------------------- 1. Use a new ${XMLSNIPPETS} variable in the document-specific Makefile, which is defined as one or more names of XML snippet files, separated by proper whitespace: XMLSNIPPETS = cvs.xml \ bug-reporting.xml \ legalnotice.xml 2. ${XMLSNIPPETS} file contents are not included in the POT for the specific document -- rather, they are translated in their common location, which only needs to be done once, and again whenever those actual snippets change content. 3. ${XMLSNIPPETS} files are included in the ${XMLDEPFILES} list of dependencies for the validation of the entire XML document. 4. ${XMLSNIPPETS} related targets are added to the Makefile.common to treat these files in a special way -- changing context to the ${FDPCOMMONDIR}/common folder and making any required targets for the indicated locale, then copying those target files (if updated) back to the document-specific locale folder. (In other words, these targets are created in much the same way as project-wide common entities files.) 5. A document author who wants to use a snippet inserts the appropriate XInclude in the document, and updates ${XMLSNIPPETS} in the document-specific Makefile. For an example file "snippet.xml", the XInclude looks like this and works throughout all locales: <xi:include xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" href="snippet.xml" /> -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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[Fwd: Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide its the one for F7?]
by Nicolas A. Corrarello 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

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Self-Introduction: Vincenzo Di Biaggio
by Vincenzo Di Biaggio 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hi! I am Vincenzo Di Biaggio, i live in San Salvo, (CH), Abruzzo, Italy ( beautifulst sea and landscapes :D ) I work in a small company that it works in the automotive (quality control) I have studied until the 4 ' year of industrial and technical institute, but I have achieved a certificate for webmastering. I would want to participate to the translation of the documentation, which it's a your choice. I know the system linux much good, I php and know to realize Internet web sites with xhtml, xml, xslt, php, msql and much moore. I love the software open-source and the translation is useful also to improve my English :°) I hope that you will accept to me, I will be much happy!

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Self Introduction
by Damien Downey 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Damien Downey Jasper County , Missouri USA My Goals in the Fedora Project: First I want to help out in someway and give back to the community I'm hoping that this will help me become a better writer, and more sociable.(Build self confidence) I hope to learn new ways of using Linux , from basics to subjects as programming and whatever else I hope maybe I can bring new ideas to the table Meet people I really have no qualifications to think of besides being an windows user that changed over to Linux for good Went to a tech school for Computer Networking and System Maintenance I really don't know what would make me an excellent match, I just want to contribute and participate in this and maybe other projects that will become a part of history now and in the future pub 1024D/63295313 2007-04-05 Key fingerprint = 9776 684E C32F CB63 CAE6 DE1D A298 DA50 6329 5313 uid Damien Downey (Open Source Projects) < chaos.theory.d(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/56CAF5FF 2007-04-05

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Self-Introduction: Fabian Affolter
by Fabian Affolter 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, My Name is Fabian Affolter and I'm living in Berne / Switzerland. After 15 years of using computers my skills are only between intermediate and advanced stage, I'm not an expert. I wrote articles for it-relateted magazines in Switzerland about WLAN. Today most of my articles and tutorials are placed in the german fedora wiki ( fedorawiki.de ). Now I think it's time to add some stuff in german to the original fedoraproject wiki. Please visit this page for more details about me: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FabianAffolter Regards, Fabian 2F6C 930F D3C4 7E38 6AFA 4EB4 E23C D2DD 36A4 397F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGBp0S4jzS3TakOX8RAiFmAJ9Rva9SF1TfTrKeVwymWKBxcHwGpACghxF3 ofTgUz9itSfDmLBbJ0RuYgQ= =/wx5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Self-Introduction: vmlinz
by vmlinz 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hi all, I'm vmlinz ,a student of Southwest JiaoTong University,China. When I know something about linux ,I'm longing for learning anything of it ,but here in my University there are not so much person involved in it. I'm not so skilled in linux ,but I want to learn it. Here my chance comes, the project give me a chance to do it. And i will try my best to do it . My GPG KEYID and fingerprint: [unconscious@vmlinz ~]$ gpg --fingerprint B87CD498 pub 1024D/B87CD498 2007-03-23 Key fingerprint = 05AF 9C1D 7A87 CCFB 499E 60F1 2D43 555C B87C D498 uid vmlinz (college student) <vmlinz(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/F2A5B0C6 2007-03-23 Sincerely VmlinzQi.

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Latest work has been committed to the server :)
by vmlinz 09 Apr '07

09 Apr '07

HI, Zhe translation of release-notes/po/zh_CN.po is being done, latest work has been committed to the cvs server.

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meeting on Easter? oops, probably not
by Karsten Wade 08 Apr '07

08 Apr '07

Forgot that today is a holiday in most places. Hopefully no one is rushing to get to meet on time. I'll be there in 30 minutes, but if you aren't, can't, or don't want to be, then consider it canceled. If you show up anyway, that's OK, we'll find something to talk about. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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Re: DocsProject common entities -- problem with translations?
by Karsten Wade 06 Apr '07

06 Apr '07

On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 08:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Ven 6 avril 2007 03:58, Dimitris Glezos a écrit : > > > If we choose 1, we can make sure that we notify those language teams that > > substitute the entities that the entities have changed. They can then > > search-and-replace all their files and substitute everything at the same > > time > > If your problem is only updating release versions, why don't you just make > an entity with the number ? The number alone won't have the grammar > problems of the full release string You are right, that we could solve the numeric problems easily. And I see from the posts on f-trans-l that it is impossible for us to use entities for many/most words. It might help if it was understood what types of the problems that entities traditionally solve for technical writing. Example uses are: * A technical writer is working on content that involves using multiple GUI tools, such as system-config-securitylevel and setroubleshoot. The tool system-config-securitylevel also has a name in the GUI, Security Level Configuration. To write the documentation, the writer is going to refer to these applications multiple times. In each situation, the writer is going to need to write: <command>system-config-securitylevel</command> <command>setroubleshoot</command> <application>Security Level Configuration</application> At each typing, errors might be introduced. Macros could be used, which are not a very DocBook XML way of doing things, but that could be sufficient. However, it doesn't take care of the other example ... * Dan Walsh decides that "setroubleshoot" should really be an action name, so he changes it to "setroubleshooter". Without an entity, changing that is a mildly complex search and replace operation. In some cases, changing a name can require a grammar check. In English, for example, the articles "a" and "an" are used differently. If Dan changed the name to "troubleshootselinux", the writer would need to check every article that appeared before the searched-and-replaced text. FWIW, both of those things have happened to me (although Dan Walsh had nothing to do with it :). I had a product name change, but fortunately it was the removal of the word "Enterprise" in the middle of the product title. I updated the entity, rebuilt six books, and went on to something else for the afternoon. In other situations that happened to me, I has to to carefully edit grammar after an entity change. As I look through this, three things are apparent: 1. It's more work on writers without ff entities. 2. It's impossible in some languages for entities to work. 3. Numbers are safe to use for entities, some trademarks may be safe to use, e.g. <!ENTITY FEDVER "7" > <!ENTITY IBM "<trademark class="registered">IBM</trademark>" > <!ENTITY S390 "S/390" > ... oh, no way, that has to change to ... <!ENTITY S390 "System Z" > It seems that the writers have to accept the "more work", which could include coming up with a clever solution to the whole situation. More likely, we'll just muddle through somehow. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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New statistics targets
by Paul W. Frields 06 Apr '07

06 Apr '07

I've added a couple new targets to our Makefile.common for use by translators and repo managers: make postat make postat-${LANG} (e.g.: make postat-pa) These targets will give you information on the current statistics for all languages (or a specific language). These targets rely, of course, on the definition of ${OTHERS} in the Makefile. If you need to force a new ${LANG} because it's not defined in the Makefile yet, you can use the form: OTHERS=${MYLANG} make -e postat-${MYLANG} e.g.: OTHERS=xx make -e postat-xx Output is clipped from the normal "msgfmt --stat" command to look like one of the following, where TT is translated, FF is fuzzy, and UU is untranslated: xx: TT/ xx: TT/UU/ xx: TT/FF/UU -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Confused
by Damien Downey 06 Apr '07

06 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My name is Damien Downey. I may not be reading everything right . But Im curious of how I should begin documentation . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFGFVnropjaUGMpUxMRAgUGAJ91FVLrb/HHHjbAjNvDQvxw4Ju4tACghvx8 MZkXkmEyWuAoU6rf032rPRw= =9o8O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DocsProject common entities -- problem with translations?
by Dimitris Glezos 06 Apr '07

06 Apr '07

Hi all. The Docs Project is thinking of substituting entities like "Fedora 7" in all documentation with "&FC;", so that these entities won't change with each upgrade. For example, now we have in the PO: This paragraph is about Fedora. The change will make this: This paragraph is about &FED;. Is there any language that would have a problem with this? One such problem would be languages which change nouns ("Fedora") in different types of sentences, for example: * "This is Fedora" * "These features of Fedora" * "Burn Fedora on a CD" In greek we've left these untranslated and we won't have a problem. What about other languages? Is everyone OK with this? -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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Re: DocsProject common entities -- problem with translations?
by Igor Miletic 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 15:22 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > So it sounds like we will have annoyances no matter which choice we > make: > > 1. Using "xml2po -k" and keeping entities intact like &NAME; there are > translators who will be inconvenienced. They can still substitute > translations for the entity -- using the right form of "SomeName," > instead of the exact string "&NAME;" -- but there will be no benefit to > them in the event the entity changes. They may not even notice that it > *has* changed unless they are watching the > docs-common/common/entities/po/entities.pot file, and making the mental > connection. > > 2. Using "xml2po -e" and transforming the entities into strings in the > POT file, so "&NAME;" becomes "SomeName," it will be painful to change > single strings in a minor way, since *many* fuzzy entries potentially > result from trivial changes. > > We can revert to behavior #2, and I can get this into the POTs for > important modules now. I would like opinions within the next 24 hours. Vote for "-e" here, if entities are left "as is". However, if entities are only version numbers, files and possibly trademarks ("Fedora" and "Red Hat Inc."), I could support "-k" as well (as long it does not include name of projects). Regards, Igor

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Re: homepage/devel/po el.po, 1.4, 1.5 es.po, 1.4, 1.5 homepage.pot, 1.6, 1.7 it.po, 1.6, 1.7 pl.po, 1.9, 1.10 pt.po, 1.7, 1.8 pt_BR.po, 1.6, 1.7 ru.po, 1.3, 1.4 sr.po, 1.1, 1.2 sv.po, 1.4, 1.5 uk.po, 1.3, 1.4 zh_CN.po, 1.4, 1.5
by Igor Miletic 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 16:38 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Author: pfrields > > Update of /cvs/docs/homepage/devel/po > In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3652/po > > Modified Files: > el.po es.po homepage.pot it.po pl.po pt.po pt_BR.po ru.po > sr.po sv.po uk.po zh_CN.po > Log Message: > Update POT and PO adding franais to the locales > > #. Next para does not need to be translated. > #: en_US/homepage.xml:20(para) > +#, fuzzy > msgid "" > "<ulink url=\"index-pt_BR.html\">portugus brasileiro</ulink>, <ulink > url=" > -"\"index-el.html\"></ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-it.html\">italiano</" > -"ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-pl.html\">Polski</ulink>, <ulink url= > \"index-pt." > -"html\">portugus</ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-ru.html\">Pycc</ulink>, > " > -"<ulink url=\"index-zh_CN.html\"></ulink>, <ulink url= > \"index-es.html" > -"\">Espaol</ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-sv.html\">svenska</ulink>, and > <ulink " > -"url=\"index-en_US.html\">US English</ulink>." > +"\"index-el.html\"></ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-fr.html\">franais</" > +"ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-it.html\">italiano</ulink>, <ulink url= > \"index-pl." > +"html\">polski</ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-pt.html > \">portugus</ulink>, " > +"<ulink url=\"index-ru.html\">Pycc</ulink>, <ulink url= > \"index-zh_CN.html" > +"\"></ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-es.html\">Espaol</ulink>, <ulink " > +"url=\"index-sv.html\">svenska</ulink>, and <ulink url= > \"index-en_US.html" > +"\">US English</ulink>." > msgstr "" > "<ulink url=\"index-pt_BR.html\">portugus brasileiro</ulink>, <ulink > url=" > "\"index-el.html\"></ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-it.html\">italiano</" > @@ -98,37 +104,47 @@ > "\">Espaol</ulink>, <ulink url=\"index-sv.html\">svenska</ulink>, > <ulink " > "url=\"index-en_US.html\">US English</ulink>." > Can you add Serbian too: <ulink url=\"index-sr.html\">српски</ulink> ? Regards, Igor

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Re: homepage/devel/en_US homepage.xml,1.8,1.9
by "Piotr \"Raven\" Drąg" 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul W. Frields (pfrields) napisał(a): >  > <para><ulink url="index-pt_BR.html">portuguÃªs brasileiro</ulink>, > <ulink url="index-el.html">Î•Î»Î»Î·Î½Î¹ÎºÎ¬</ulink>, <ulink > - url="index-fr.html">French</ulink>, <ulink > + url="index-fr.html">franÃ§ais</ulink>, <ulink > url="index-it.html">italiano</ulink>, <ulink > url="index-pl.html">polski</ulink>, <ulink > url="index-pt.html">portuguÃªs</ulink>, <ulink > @@ -46,6 +46,7 @@ > <para><ulink url="RELEASE-NOTES-pt_BR.html">portuguÃªs > brasileiro</ulink>, <ulink > url="RELEASE-NOTES-el.html">Î•Î»Î»Î·Î½Î¹ÎºÎ¬</ulink>, <ulink > + url="RELEASE-NOTES-fr.html">franÃ§ais</ulink>, <ulink > url="RELEASE-NOTES-it.html">italiano</ulink>, <ulink > url="RELEASE-NOTES-pl.html">Polski</ulink>, <ulink ^^^^^^ It looks like it's not only in one place... :( - -- Piotr "Raven" Drąg http://raven.pmail.pl/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGFA1bjBBsaE0M6qkRAufcAJoCju3OTV9sB0luzuQZXl0eriiBSgCgtNTj 7mo7bxpF1S1UO70XhGh0iG4= =24W/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Wiki work needed
by Paul W. Frields 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

Can anyone accept the following mission: 11:12:01 < f13> stickster_work: I'm going to be lame and point out a wiki page that needs editing, but without doing it myself or providing content for you :/ 11:12:54 < f13> stickster_work: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted this page doesn't seem to reflect the core/extras merger stuff, nor the wiki changes mether did around organizing Fedora Packagers and such at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers Would someone like to take the task of fixing the HelpWanted page to agree with Rahul's recent edits at PackageMaintainers? The objective is to properly portray the package collection as being unified rather than split into Core and Extras. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Re: homepage/devel/en_US homepage.xml,1.6,1.7
by "Piotr \"Raven\" Drąg" 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karsten Wade (kwade) napisał(a): > <para>This page is available in the following languages:</para> >  > <para><ulink url="index-pt_BR.html">portuguÃªs brasileiro</ulink>, > - <ulink url="index-el.html">Î•Î»Î»Î·Î½Î¹ÎºÎ¬</ulink>, <ulink > + <ulink url="index-el.html">Î•Î»Î»Î·Î½Î¹ÎºÎ¬</ulink>, <ulink > + url="index-fr.html">French</ulink>, <ulink > url="index-it.html">italiano</ulink>, <ulink > url="index-pl.html">Polski</ulink>, <ulink > It should be "polski", not "Polski" (like "italiano" above). - -- Piotr Drąg http://raven.pmail.pl/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGE+RtjBBsaE0M6qkRAo5HAJ9OnRvYFU0GIYb0UuswdrC+IR+woQCfZPmR vVd34Upw0Qn5dlq/suV9M3c= =EpOt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Release Notes for F7test4 - POT available
by Paul W. Frields 04 Apr '07

04 Apr '07

The POT for Release Notes for F7test4 is now available for translators in the Fedora Docs CVS. For instructions, please refer to the Translation Quick Start Guide¹, Chapter 4, "Translating Documentation." Please make sure you apply for cvsdocs access to be able to commit your translations! ** The deadline for PO files is 2359 UTC, April 14th 2007.² ** The module is available here: $ cvs -d :ext:<username>@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs co release-notes-devel Please test your translations for validity by running "make validate-xml-<LANG>" when finished. If you have specific problems with the output, you can get help from the Fedora Documentation Project either on fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com or on IRC Freenode in channel #fedora-docs. The following PO files have been created so far³: ca cs da de el es fi fr gu hr it ja ml ms nb nl pa pl pt_BR pt ru sr@Latn sr sv ta uk zh_CN zh_TW If you translate another language, you can follow the instructions in the document above to add a new language to the list. Thank you for your time and efforts! = = = = = ¹ http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ ² http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule ³ The following languages need to have common entity PO files created before any documents can be built in those languages: ca cs fi gu hr ml ms nb sr@Latn ta zh_TW -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Heading styles
by Jonathan Roberts 03 Apr '07

03 Apr '07

Hi, sorry I'm sending *so* many mails to the list! Possible addition to the style guidelines would be that headings/titles should either be *all* capitalized, i.e. Cool Things To Do With Fedora, or first capital and then all lower case, i.e. Cool things to do with Fedora. Some documents currently have headings which look like "Cool Things To Do with Fedora" - the random use of capitals/lowercase is ugly, imho! Yours, Jon

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Question about the translation process of fedora 7 relnotes
by Yuan Yijun 03 Apr '07

03 Apr '07

Hi, I have some question about translation process. Vmlinuz may going to translate it. * What is the CVS url for fedora 7 relnotes? * What group should translator have in the fedora account system? * How to begin translation, I cannot find RELEASE-NOTES on fedora i18n status page, so how can I "TAKE" it? I rememberred for fc6 relnotes it was here: http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status?page=status&branch=HEAD&locale=z… * How to notify the others that I'm translating it? * When will POT file get ready, will there be any email notifications? * Do I need to modify "Makefile" and run "make xxxxx" to generate zh_CN.po as before? Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^

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readme-burning-isos - suggested changes
by Development discussions related to Fedora 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

Hi, Had a look over the above document on the F7t3 dvd iso, and felt it could use some additions {other than FC6 -> F7} which seems to be handled by some macros. http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/ readme-burning-isos/devel/en_US/README-BURNING-ISOS.xml?root=docs&rev=1.3&view=markup I'm not part of the cvsl10n group so if the cvs tree is still open before translation begins perhaps someone can check and commit ;) {I couldn't find the doc anywhere on the wiki, so assuming it's a cvs thing}. DaveT.

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want to mentor a GSoC project?
by Karsten Wade 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

We have several projects that have proposals in the Google Summer of Code. Right now, it looks as if we'll get three projects working this summer. Maybe four. Obviously that's too many for just one person to mentor. So this is your lucky chance! Aside from helping make a project happen, mentors get a GSoC t-shirt, and a chance at other goodies. Last year, I got to attend the Mentors Summit with mentors from all over the world, and we met at the famous Google campus in Mountain View. If you are interested, contact myself and Patrick Barnes. You'll also need to apply to be a mentor for The Fedora Project via: http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html You need to do this right away, so you can help with the proposal selection process. During this process, mentors work with students on their active proposals, to work out which ones are accepted. cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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FDSCo Meeting 2007-04-01 Summary
by Paul W. Frields 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

Attendees: ----------- * Karsten Wade (chair) * Bob Jensen * Paul W. Frields Absent: * Bart Couvreur * Dimitris Glezos * John Babich * Pawel Sadowski Summary: --------- * Karsten and Paul will create in CVS a per-module Makefile.l10n that will be ACL'd so any cvsl10n members can edit it. L10n'ers can add support for their language in this file once a translation is underway. * Karsten and Paul will send email to fedora-{devel,maintainers}-list noting upcoming relnotes Wiki freeze on 2007-04-02, 2359 UTC. * FDP will start enforcing style guidelines with its writers, to both teach them the ropes and to ensure high-quality docs. Karsten and Paul will finalize the StyleGuide on the wiki¹ and link it from the docs.fp.o site. * Bob will be working on relnotes post wiki-freeze so they can enter the translation process. * Paul will be committing updated POT and PO for a variety of documentation today, using the new "xml2po -k" option. = = = = = ¹ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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FDSCo Meeting 2007-04-01 IRC log
by Paul W. Frields 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

12:00 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings 12:01 < stickster> Bob of any kind here? couf_afk? 12:02 < quaid> BobJensen-Away, couf_afk, stickster 12:02 < Bob-Laptop> morning buoys 12:02 < quaid> looking a little light in folks today 12:02 < quaid> I forget ... 12:02 < quaid> oh, no, I remember ... if four people, we can vote 12:03 < stickster> Yup, otherwise we just summarize 12:03 < Bob-Laptop> sorry I missed last week unexpectedly 12:03 < quaid> we'll hang out a few minutes to see if glezos shows, since he was thinking of an agenda item apparently 12:03 < stickster> Yup 12:04 * stickster is making lunch for kids, but mostly paying attention 12:05 * mull lurks 12:06 < quaid> hey mull 12:06 < mull> hey 12:06 < quaid> anyone mind waiting until :15 to start? see if any wayward folks arrive? 12:06 < quaid> we may not have enough to talk about anyway ... 12:06 < quaid> well, this close to release, there is always something to think about. 12:11 * mull notices an outdated screenshot in the DUG 12:12 < mull> the login screen has changed entirely from what's there... 12:13 < stickster> mull: Use your wiki powers :-) 12:16 < quaid> or ... 12:16 < mull> hmmm, gotta think of the best way to get a screenshot of gdm login, though 12:16 < quaid> do we need the screenshot? 12:17 < mull> I'm not sure. what sort of feedback have to been getting about the "screenshots are generally bad" email? I haven't kept up 12:17 < stickster> mull: You can use Xnest to do it 12:18 < stickster> i.e. gdmthemetester 12:19 < mull> k, working out deps to install that 12:19 < mull> Xnest had file conflicts with another Xorg package... 12:20 < stickster> mull: FC6? 12:20 < mull> F7 12:20 * stickster goes PM with mull to keep channel clear 12:21 < stickster> quaid: Let's just go ahead and barrel through for now 12:22 < stickster> glezos put something on the agenda about l10n users' access to Makefile 12:22 < stickster> Can we do that, in addition to po/ stuff? 12:22 < stickster> I have no objection, means they can test translations right away 12:23 < quaid> oh, ic 12:23 < quaid> yeah, i suppose we can 12:23 < quaid> it's not the .common 12:23 < stickster> Right 12:23 < quaid> although I suppose we could include a Makefile.l10n instead and have just that r/w 12:24 < stickster> quaid: Oh, that is actually a very good idea! 12:24 < quaid> oh! 12:24 * quaid is pwoud of himself now 12:24 < stickster> Oops, didn't mean to sound so surprised :-D 12:24 * quaid retroactively declares 12:24 < quaid> <meeting> 12:24 < quaid> ha! 12:25 * stickster volunteers for log/summary duties 12:26 < quaid> ok, thanks 12:26 < quaid> so we solved the first thing :) 12:26 < quaid> what is the ? on the FDUG 12:27 < stickster> I don't know whether that's just a call for status, or what. 12:27 < stickster> jmbabich is stateside for a while and may not be able to do much with it for the next little while 12:27 < stickster> I see that a contributor has stepped in to work on it a little 12:27 < stickster> I would like to see more folks pitching in. 12:28 < quaid> yes 12:28 < quaid> but then we get that good ol' inconsistency of style and methods 12:29 < stickster> Right 12:29 < stickster> Are we concerned at all about the growing number of guides and the lack of follow-through? 12:30 < quaid> not yet 12:30 < quaid> there shall be some purging, soon enough 12:31 < stickster> okey-dokey 12:31 < quaid> here's what I think ... 12:31 < quaid> I think FDSCo needs to set and enforce some heavy-handed style guidelines 12:31 < quaid> we sort of have, but we are always concerned about offending writers 12:31 < stickster> *nod 12:31 < quaid> but you never see Ulrich (bad example!) being nice about someone's coding style 12:32 < stickster> That's an excellent point 12:32 * stickster rubs hands gleefully 12:32 < stickster> And we do have an excellent Style guide on the wiki, thanks to Patrick 12:34 < quaid> I'm happy to tell people what I think they should do, but it would help if we were all consistent together on this 12:35 * BobJensen-Away looks to EvilBob... 12:35 < BobJensen-Away> hehehe 12:36 < stickster> quaid: If it's not documented in our Style docs on the wiki, very easy to add sections 12:36 < stickster> Then we all have a common cry 12:37 < quaid> I'm happy with that style guide, now that I clarified on the active/passive voice stuff :) 12:37 * stickster forgets the clarification 12:37 < stickster> I do see a lot of passive voice still in the Style Guide though :-D 12:37 < quaid> I know 12:38 < stickster> Is that OK by you? 12:38 < quaid> not necc 12:38 < quaid> just lazy about fixing it 12:38 < quaid> suppose I can do that 12:43 < stickster> So I was about to say, the situations where passive voice works better do exist, but they're rare 12:43 < stickster> We rarely put out "guidelines" or "recommendations" in our technical docs. Usually it's procedural, and we're indicating exactly what to do. 12:44 < stickster> Even in a "guideline" situation, you can label active voice with "Use the following guidelines" for an itemized list, and still use active voice 12:46 < stickster> Ha! 12:46 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/GeneralGuidelines 12:46 < stickster> Look at the first admonition 12:46 < stickster> "Passive voice should be avoided unless necessary" :-D 12:47 * stickster decides to give it a pass-through 12:47 < quaid> heh 12:47 < quaid> ah, irony 12:47 < quaid> go ahead 12:47 * stickster wields the machete 12:47 * quaid is on CommonMistakes atm 12:48 < stickster> Do we have any other agenda item updates? 12:48 < stickster> Let me jump in with a status on CVS -- we are now using "xml2po -k". I will be rebuilding and committing POT/PO today, so there will be commits coming through. 12:49 < stickster> *end of stickster biznez 12:50 * stickster gets rid of "commanding voice" (whatever that means), which necessitates use of "you" 12:51 < quaid> that's fine 12:52 < quaid> I need to look at GSoC eventually 12:52 < stickster> No one here for the other items, let's close the meeting and jam 12:53 < quaid> ok, I see Patrick accepted my mentor request 12:53 < stickster> cool 12:53 < quaid> so now I have a queue 12:53 < quaid> I need to grow some more mentors 12:53 < quaid> I'll ask on the list :) 12:55 < stickster> Everybody knows Wiki freeze is coming up tomorrow, yes? 12:57 < stickster> 2359 IIRC 12:59 * quaid scared! 12:59 < stickster> yeah, looks a little sparse this time 12:59 < quaid> fuckers 12:59 * stickster predicts a mad rush post test4 12:59 < stickster> H 12:59 < quaid> its because rahul is leaving us out to dry :D 12:59 < stickster> No slam against mether, he carries a lot of buckets 12:59 < quaid> stickster: will you ... 12:59 < quaid> send an email to ... 13:00 * stickster prepares blog entry 13:00 < quaid> f-devel-l? 13:00 < stickster> Sure 13:00 < quaid> ok, that too 13:00 < stickster> both, +1 13:00 < quaid> BobJensen: are you on f-maintainers? 13:00 < Bob-Laptop> Please 13:00 < quaid> Bob-Laptop: can you email f-maintainers? 13:00 < Bob-Laptop> I have not been able to sent email out for 11 or 12 days 13:00 < stickster> yikes 13:00 < quaid> we need to let the former Extras group know that this is their relnotes, too 13:00 < quaid> Bob-Laptop: woah 13:01 * quaid takes f-maintainers 13:01 < Bob-Laptop> I am working on upgrading the mail server to CentOS 4.92 today it was FC2, something is busted 13:02 < stickster> Bob-Laptop: Scan bugzilla for things with requires-fedora-release-note flag on 13:02 < stickster> Make sure we have that stuff covered too 13:02 < stickster> I think that was the flag name... 13:02 < Bob-Laptop> stickster: Yup 13:02 * stickster has got to get to the IG today if possible 13:03 < Bob-Laptop> once I get this mail working I will be in BZ and wiki until we freeze 13:03 < stickster> k 13:03 < Bob-Laptop> I took tomorrow off because I know the notes need work 13:04 < quaid> ok, Bob-Laptop has BZ 13:04 < quaid> there may not be much, i haven't looked recently though 13:04 < stickster> I've been keeping an eye on stuff coming on the relnotes mail feed, I don't think there's a walloping lot 13:06 * quaid sends f-maintainers email and uses "stupidly easy" in it 13:06 < stickster> heh, way to tweak 'em 13:06 * stickster will take care of f-devel-l 13:07 < stickster> I'm copying your email. 13:08 < Bob-Laptop> I had pinged Rex to get some KDE info in to the beats, not sure if anything happened there 13:08 < stickster> Bam! 13:08 * stickster kicks it up a notch 13:09 < stickster> Are we EOM now? 13:09 < quaid> yes 13:09 < quaid> </meeting> -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Getting started: DUG
by Jonathan Roberts 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

Hi, I've been looking over all the information and feel I'm ready to get started. The only trouble is that I'm reluctant to in case I over step the mark and make changes that I think are necessary/useful but others might not agree with and I'd hate to create further work for people in undoing my changes! For now there are some paragraphs on the DUG that definitely need a few changes just to read properly and I guess I'll make those as they're only going to be minor and it will be a start :D Guess I'll just take things gradually and ask that somebody tell me if I do something horrible and I'll fix it! Yours, Jon

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