FDSCo Meeting 2007-04-01 Summary
by Paul W. Frields
Attendees:
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* Karsten Wade (chair)
* Bob Jensen
* Paul W. Frields
Absent:
* Bart Couvreur
* Dimitris Glezos
* John Babich
* Pawel Sadowski
Summary:
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* Karsten and Paul will create in CVS a per-module Makefile.l10n that
will be ACL'd so any cvsl10n members can edit it. L10n'ers can add
support for their language in this file once a translation is underway.
* Karsten and Paul will send email to fedora-{devel,maintainers}-list
noting upcoming relnotes Wiki freeze on 2007-04-02, 2359 UTC.
* FDP will start enforcing style guidelines with its writers, to both
teach them the ropes and to ensure high-quality docs. Karsten and Paul
will finalize the StyleGuide on the wiki¹ and link it from the docs.fp.o
site.
* Bob will be working on relnotes post wiki-freeze so they can enter the
translation process.
* Paul will be committing updated POT and PO for a variety of
documentation today, using the new "xml2po -k" option.
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¹ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide
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FDSCo Meeting 2007-04-01 IRC log
by Paul W. Frields
12:00 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings
12:01 < stickster> Bob of any kind here? couf_afk?
12:02 < quaid> BobJensen-Away, couf_afk, stickster
12:02 < Bob-Laptop> morning buoys
12:02 < quaid> looking a little light in folks today
12:02 < quaid> I forget ...
12:02 < quaid> oh, no, I remember ... if four people, we can vote
12:03 < stickster> Yup, otherwise we just summarize
12:03 < Bob-Laptop> sorry I missed last week unexpectedly
12:03 < quaid> we'll hang out a few minutes to see if glezos shows, since he was thinking of an agenda item apparently
12:03 < stickster> Yup
12:04 * stickster is making lunch for kids, but mostly paying attention
12:05 * mull lurks
12:06 < quaid> hey mull
12:06 < mull> hey
12:06 < quaid> anyone mind waiting until :15 to start? see if any wayward folks arrive?
12:06 < quaid> we may not have enough to talk about anyway ...
12:06 < quaid> well, this close to release, there is always something to think about.
12:11 * mull notices an outdated screenshot in the DUG
12:12 < mull> the login screen has changed entirely from what's there...
12:13 < stickster> mull: Use your wiki powers :-)
12:16 < quaid> or ...
12:16 < mull> hmmm, gotta think of the best way to get a screenshot of gdm login, though
12:16 < quaid> do we need the screenshot?
12:17 < mull> I'm not sure. what sort of feedback have to been getting about the "screenshots are generally bad" email? I haven't kept up
12:17 < stickster> mull: You can use Xnest to do it
12:18 < stickster> i.e. gdmthemetester
12:19 < mull> k, working out deps to install that
12:19 < mull> Xnest had file conflicts with another Xorg package...
12:20 < stickster> mull: FC6?
12:20 < mull> F7
12:20 * stickster goes PM with mull to keep channel clear
12:21 < stickster> quaid: Let's just go ahead and barrel through for now
12:22 < stickster> glezos put something on the agenda about l10n users' access to Makefile
12:22 < stickster> Can we do that, in addition to po/ stuff?
12:22 < stickster> I have no objection, means they can test translations right away
12:23 < quaid> oh, ic
12:23 < quaid> yeah, i suppose we can
12:23 < quaid> it's not the .common
12:23 < stickster> Right
12:23 < quaid> although I suppose we could include a Makefile.l10n instead and have just that r/w
12:24 < stickster> quaid: Oh, that is actually a very good idea!
12:24 < quaid> oh!
12:24 * quaid is pwoud of himself now
12:24 < stickster> Oops, didn't mean to sound so surprised :-D
12:24 * quaid retroactively declares
12:24 < quaid> <meeting>
12:24 < quaid> ha!
12:25 * stickster volunteers for log/summary duties
12:26 < quaid> ok, thanks
12:26 < quaid> so we solved the first thing :)
12:26 < quaid> what is the ? on the FDUG
12:27 < stickster> I don't know whether that's just a call for status, or what.
12:27 < stickster> jmbabich is stateside for a while and may not be able to do much with it for the next little while
12:27 < stickster> I see that a contributor has stepped in to work on it a little
12:27 < stickster> I would like to see more folks pitching in.
12:28 < quaid> yes
12:28 < quaid> but then we get that good ol' inconsistency of style and methods
12:29 < stickster> Right
12:29 < stickster> Are we concerned at all about the growing number of guides and the lack of follow-through?
12:30 < quaid> not yet
12:30 < quaid> there shall be some purging, soon enough
12:31 < stickster> okey-dokey
12:31 < quaid> here's what I think ...
12:31 < quaid> I think FDSCo needs to set and enforce some heavy-handed style guidelines
12:31 < quaid> we sort of have, but we are always concerned about offending writers
12:31 < stickster> *nod
12:31 < quaid> but you never see Ulrich (bad example!) being nice about someone's coding style
12:32 < stickster> That's an excellent point
12:32 * stickster rubs hands gleefully
12:32 < stickster> And we do have an excellent Style guide on the wiki, thanks to Patrick
12:34 < quaid> I'm happy to tell people what I think they should do, but it would help if we were all consistent together on this
12:35 * BobJensen-Away looks to EvilBob...
12:35 < BobJensen-Away> hehehe
12:36 < stickster> quaid: If it's not documented in our Style docs on the wiki, very easy to add sections
12:36 < stickster> Then we all have a common cry
12:37 < quaid> I'm happy with that style guide, now that I clarified on the active/passive voice stuff :)
12:37 * stickster forgets the clarification
12:37 < stickster> I do see a lot of passive voice still in the Style Guide though :-D
12:37 < quaid> I know
12:38 < stickster> Is that OK by you?
12:38 < quaid> not necc
12:38 < quaid> just lazy about fixing it
12:38 < quaid> suppose I can do that
12:43 < stickster> So I was about to say, the situations where passive voice works better do exist, but they're rare
12:43 < stickster> We rarely put out "guidelines" or "recommendations" in our technical docs. Usually it's procedural, and we're indicating exactly what to do.
12:44 < stickster> Even in a "guideline" situation, you can label active voice with "Use the following guidelines" for an itemized list, and still use active voice
12:46 < stickster> Ha!
12:46 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/GeneralGuidelines
12:46 < stickster> Look at the first admonition
12:46 < stickster> "Passive voice should be avoided unless necessary" :-D
12:47 * stickster decides to give it a pass-through
12:47 < quaid> heh
12:47 < quaid> ah, irony
12:47 < quaid> go ahead
12:47 * stickster wields the machete
12:47 * quaid is on CommonMistakes atm
12:48 < stickster> Do we have any other agenda item updates?
12:48 < stickster> Let me jump in with a status on CVS -- we are now using "xml2po -k". I will be rebuilding and committing POT/PO today, so there will be commits coming through.
12:49 < stickster> *end of stickster biznez
12:50 * stickster gets rid of "commanding voice" (whatever that means), which necessitates use of "you"
12:51 < quaid> that's fine
12:52 < quaid> I need to look at GSoC eventually
12:52 < stickster> No one here for the other items, let's close the meeting and jam
12:53 < quaid> ok, I see Patrick accepted my mentor request
12:53 < stickster> cool
12:53 < quaid> so now I have a queue
12:53 < quaid> I need to grow some more mentors
12:53 < quaid> I'll ask on the list :)
12:55 < stickster> Everybody knows Wiki freeze is coming up tomorrow, yes?
12:57 < stickster> 2359 IIRC
12:59 * quaid scared!
12:59 < stickster> yeah, looks a little sparse this time
12:59 < quaid> fuckers
12:59 * stickster predicts a mad rush post test4
12:59 < stickster> H
12:59 < quaid> its because rahul is leaving us out to dry :D
12:59 < stickster> No slam against mether, he carries a lot of buckets
12:59 < quaid> stickster: will you ...
12:59 < quaid> send an email to ...
13:00 * stickster prepares blog entry
13:00 < quaid> f-devel-l?
13:00 < stickster> Sure
13:00 < quaid> ok, that too
13:00 < stickster> both, +1
13:00 < quaid> BobJensen: are you on f-maintainers?
13:00 < Bob-Laptop> Please
13:00 < quaid> Bob-Laptop: can you email f-maintainers?
13:00 < Bob-Laptop> I have not been able to sent email out for 11 or 12 days
13:00 < stickster> yikes
13:00 < quaid> we need to let the former Extras group know that this is their relnotes, too
13:00 < quaid> Bob-Laptop: woah
13:01 * quaid takes f-maintainers
13:01 < Bob-Laptop> I am working on upgrading the mail server to CentOS 4.92 today it was FC2, something is busted
13:02 < stickster> Bob-Laptop: Scan bugzilla for things with requires-fedora-release-note flag on
13:02 < stickster> Make sure we have that stuff covered too
13:02 < stickster> I think that was the flag name...
13:02 < Bob-Laptop> stickster: Yup
13:02 * stickster has got to get to the IG today if possible
13:03 < Bob-Laptop> once I get this mail working I will be in BZ and wiki until we freeze
13:03 < stickster> k
13:03 < Bob-Laptop> I took tomorrow off because I know the notes need work
13:04 < quaid> ok, Bob-Laptop has BZ
13:04 < quaid> there may not be much, i haven't looked recently though
13:04 < stickster> I've been keeping an eye on stuff coming on the relnotes mail feed, I don't think there's a walloping lot
13:06 * quaid sends f-maintainers email and uses "stupidly easy" in it
13:06 < stickster> heh, way to tweak 'em
13:06 * stickster will take care of f-devel-l
13:07 < stickster> I'm copying your email.
13:08 < Bob-Laptop> I had pinged Rex to get some KDE info in to the beats, not sure if anything happened there
13:08 < stickster> Bam!
13:08 * stickster kicks it up a notch
13:09 < stickster> Are we EOM now?
13:09 < quaid> yes
13:09 < quaid> </meeting>
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Getting started: DUG
by Jonathan Roberts
Hi,
I've been looking over all the information and feel I'm ready to get
started. The only trouble is that I'm reluctant to in case I over step
the mark and make changes that I think are necessary/useful but others
might not agree with and I'd hate to create further work for people in
undoing my changes!
For now there are some paragraphs on the DUG that definitely need a
few changes just to read properly and I guess I'll make those as
they're only going to be minor and it will be a start :D Guess I'll
just take things gradually and ask that somebody tell me if I do
something horrible and I'll fix it!
Yours,
Jon
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