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FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-20 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 20 May '07

20 May '07

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HTML output is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minute… 09:04 < quaid> <meeting> 09:05 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:06 < quaid> 07:42 < stickster> If I can connect from my buddy's house I will do so 09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> In case I don't make it, release-notes are currently building fine from CVS HEAD 09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> The IG is progressing, see f-docs-commits for detail 09:06 < quaid> 07:46 < stickster> Closd a number of bugs yesterday for IG 09:07 < quaid> so, at least those essential pieces are in the clear 09:07 < quaid> I still plan a good round of edits to the IG 09:07 < quaid> anyone should give it a go; you can use Yelp to display the XML in real-time for easy editing fun. 09:08 < JonRob> (still to get my teeth into cvs...maybe this is a good chance) 09:09 < quaid> yeh, it's pretty easy 09:10 < couf> ah yeah, saw that some time ago, any link? 09:11 < quaid> sorry, CVS usage? 09:11 < couf> quaid: yelp :-) 09:11 < quaid> ah 09:11 < couf> my bad 09:11 < quaid> hmm, you know ... we haven't a write up 09:11 < quaid> maybe under DP/Tools ? 09:11 < JonRob> it's in the archives...the bit about yelp 09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml 09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml &' 09:12 < quaid> it will build up the whole document that is called by that parent XML file, and display it 09:12 < couf> ah right, thanks 09:13 < quaid> then when you edit, you just reload (I close and reopen, since there isn't a reload function I've seen) 09:13 < quaid> so, about the guides ... 09:13 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00199.html 09:13 * jmbuser will document this soon - very slick 09:13 < JonRob> is the message 09:13 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule 09:13 < couf> thanks JonRob 09:14 < quaid> ok, now that schedule is for anything that we want to get translated in time for release 09:14 < quaid> last week we decided that the relnotes and IG are the two "must haves" for release 09:15 < quaid> so, yes, anything the group can do to help make sure that the IG goes to trans on time is a Good Thing. 09:15 < quaid> as for the other guides ... 09:15 < quaid> we have strong leadership from jmbuser for the UG, but ... 09:16 < quaid> jmbuser: do you have an identified team helping? or is it a loose group? do you want it formalized more? 09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: No identifiable group so far...correct me if I'm wrong 09:17 < quaid> hmm 09:17 < JonRob> i'll jump in if you need it 09:17 < JonRob> will have a lot more time this week 09:17 < quaid> well, yes the folks on the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Contributors page ... aren't that evident currently 09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: I'm willing to solo, but I would prefer an ensemble effort 09:17 < jmbuser> JonRob: Thanks 09:17 < quaid> JonRob: consider yourself engaged with this then :) 09:18 < quaid> add yourself to the Contributors page 09:18 < JonRob> quaid: sure 09:18 < JonRob> jmbuser: no problem :D 09:18 < jmbuser> I need to put the framework in place - and then please fill in where you can 09:18 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:18 < couf> jmbuser's grand idea for the FUG :-) 09:18 < quaid> jmbuser: one tip, feel free to brain-dump into the wiki, just put a comment in the commit note about the state of the content 09:19 < quaid> that helps editors know "ignore, edit, or make pariah from" :) 09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: NP - I noticed an "es" translation of the docs/drafts version today - very scary 09:19 < quaid> in the wiki? eek 09:19 < couf> yeah, should we talk to that guy? 09:19 < quaid> definitely shouldn't be translating in the Wiki 09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: I was thinking of a warning label 09:20 < quaid> yes 09:20 < couf> he's been keeping up with your work for most of it 09:20 < quaid> at this point, we are moving clearly to Plone, although the schedule is a bit unknown when what will be where 09:20 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has joined #fedora-docs 09:21 < quaid> hey, there's one of the folks who has written for the UG 09:21 < jmbuser> I deinitely need to put something like a "blasting zone" danger sign up :-) 09:21 < couf> [splinux]: damien run ;-) 09:21 < jmbuser> s/deinitely/definitely/ 09:21 < quaid> [splinux]: we're on the final push for the Fedora User Guide for F7, if you are interested in helping with this release 09:21 < quaid> :) 09:22 < jmbuser> [splinux]: Welcome 09:23 < [splinux]> hey all 09:23 < couf> so first call is IG, anyone willing to spend some time, get into the FUG 09:23 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has joined #fedora-docs 09:23 < pingou_laptop> hi 09:23 < quaid> in fact, the IG is just a few days from going out for translation, so that is quite timely 09:23 < [splinux]> quaid, I'm busy for this week :( 09:24 < jmbuser> I will take responsibility for not hassling, er, following up with contributors 09:24 < quaid> [splinux]: no worries, just pouncing since you walked in the channel in a timely fashion :) 09:24 < [splinux]> :) 09:25 < jmbuser> IG is higher priority - we can do an F7 FUG announcement later, like for FC6 DUG 09:26 < quaid> yep 09:26 < quaid> ok, let's try another on-list reminder this week to help with the UG 09:27 < jmbuser> I plan to finish the outline, so that volunteers can pick a section and fill it out 09:27 < quaid> cool! 09:27 < jmbuser> I can also advertise it on my blog - after the outline's in place 09:27 < couf> yeah, get that out somewhere too 09:27 < JonRob> jmbuser: are you going to clean out a lot of the screenshots from later on in the guide? 09:27 < quaid> let's feature it a bit on the DP/Tasks page 09:27 < JonRob> i'll put it in fwn if appropriate 09:28 < quaid> not all the pieces, just a few pointers, maybe start a DP/Tasks/UserGuide for everythin 09:28 < jmbuser> JonRob: I plan to remove all screenshots except for the three desktops and I will leave in icons 09:28 < couf> quaid: +1 09:29 < JonRob> jmbuser: cool 09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: This will speed things up and make it easier to translate 09:29 < JonRob> will look better too i think 09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: agreed 09:30 < quaid> I haven't been able to do much extra at all, such as the Tasks page, we still need to jam it ahead as a collaboratively built page 09:32 < JonRob> quaid: if i find the time i'll help out here too 09:33 < quaid> ok, so for the rest of the guides ... 09:34 < couf> AG guide is something we should get started on post F7 09:35 < couf> and as fast as possible, to get this out somewhat half of the F8 cycle, as this doesn't change that much between releases 09:36 < quaid> we're having a bit of a lull in writing participation, is this just the time of year (school end) and near-to-release? 09:36 < quaid> maybe we should do the bulk of writing for these kind of guides between releases, and just have them updated lightly when the next release near? 09:36 < JonRob> quaid: sounds like a good approach, minimises stress! 09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:36 < couf> quaid: yeah, a combination of both 09:36 < couf> quaid: +1 09:38 < JonRob> what do people think of the software management guide? 09:39 < JonRob> could a lot of that be pulled into the admin guide? 09:39 < JonRob> or maybe the essentials 09:39 < quaid> well 09:39 < quaid> it's for end-users 09:39 < pingou_laptop> I have to go ... 09:39 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has left #fedora-docs ["Salut!!"] 09:40 < quaid> JonRob: we wouldn't want to send end-users into a chapter of the AG to learn something, too scary 09:40 < quaid> the idea of the stand-alone is to empower those users, "oh, this is easy" 09:40 < couf> part in DUG, part in AG? 09:40 < JonRob> quaid: yeah but a lot of the SMG is pretty scary! 09:40 < couf> as in updating your software -> DUG, adding repo's -> AG 09:40 < quaid> hmm 09:40 < quaid> true that 09:41 < quaid> mether: you about? 09:41 < quaid> that's a sensible proposal, i think 09:41 < quaid> JonRob: can you make that suggestion (as couf laid it out) on-list? 09:42 < JonRob> quaid: sure 09:42 < quaid> mether has been doing the bulk of the work there, I'm sure he'll think it's a good idea, and the advantage of adding a little content to grow an existing team effort is a good one 09:43 < quaid> ok, then, let's cover the last item ... 09:44 < quaid> en v. en_US etc. 09:44 < quaid> now, I claim near-ignorance here, I've never researched the standards and UTF needs and such 09:45 < JonRob> (posted to the list, hope i got the message across) 09:47 < couf> hmm it seems the official list says it's a three character thing right now 09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_values_8bits-utf-8.txt 09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php 09:47 < couf> last one is a bit easier to read 09:49 < quaid> so what is the deal with the _XY 09:49 < couf> it seemed to have never been an ISO-standard 09:49 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has left #fedora-docs ["Quitte"] 09:51 < couf> so that would mean ... 09:52 < couf> a) everything has to a ab-type code 09:52 < couf> b) change like everything to the newest ISO standard, meaning docs, software, .... 09:52 < couf> and hope that gettext get's this 09:57 < couf> ah, got the _XY, it's the country code, which may be added to specify to which country this specific translation applies 09:59 < quaid> ah 09:59 < quaid> cool 10:00 < quaid> couf: we do specifically use US English in these cases 10:00 < quaid> why? 10:00 < quaid> I want a Brit to be able to write en_UK and then I can become a translator! 10:01 < couf> quaid: you're americans ;-) 10:01 < couf> as such, should we move everything on docs.fp.org to use en_US instead of en? 10:02 < quaid> probably 10:02 < quaid> in fact, that is a leftover inconsistency yes 10:03 < quaid> ok, let's confirm this detail to the list so there are no surprises 10:03 * quaid asks couf to send that email 10:03 < quaid> and then we can close this meetin' 10:03 < couf> sure 10:04 < quaid> rather ... any other business/topics? 10:04 < couf> ow yeah, I've got one left 10:04 < couf> are we gonna update the style to the new static page style, or stay like it is and wait for plone? 10:05 < JonRob> there's a new static page style!? 10:06 < couf> JonRob: yeah, it's coming http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/static/ 10:06 < quaid> oh, we can wait 10:06 < quaid> well, I see what you mean 10:06 < quaid> we could update docs.fp.o, sure 10:06 < quaid> ultimately, yes, Plone will handle it, and we'll port the CSS to the Wiki as well 10:06 < JonRob> couf: cool :D 10:07 < quaid> JonRob: static page because we want the front of fp.o to load fast for the release, unlike for FC-6 10:07 < quaid> so we're doing two-birds, one-stone -- static page and new style for the site 10:07 < JonRob> quaid: yeah, is awesome idea i think 10:07 < quaid> couf: let's plan on updating docs.fp.o with the new style, once it is fully baked 10:08 < quaid> it's actually in CVS now, so we could start experimenting 10:08 < couf> quaid: cool 10:08 * quaid is not sure if there are any here who like to play with CSS 10:08 < quaid> actually, I like it now, but I'm jammed on time, so I probably won't play 10:08 * couf thinks glezos ;-) 10:08 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:08 < quaid> but it is all in cvs.fp.o:/cvs/web/static 10:09 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs 10:09 < quaid> yeah, when glezos gets back from galavanting around, we'll ask him, if it's not done already :) 10:09 < couf> okay, well if I find some time, I'll have a got at it 10:10 < couf> that's all for me 10:10 < quaid> it's probably pretty straightforward 10:10 < quaid> esp with the Web Developer plugin for Firefox 10:10 < quaid> ok, if there is nothing more ... 10:10 * quaid waits 30 seconds 10:10 < couf> Web Devel + Firebug ++ :-) 10:11 < quaid> do they do similar things? or are they complementary? 10:11 < quaid> final countdown ... 10:11 < quaid> 5 10:11 < quaid> 4 10:11 < quaid> 3 10:11 < quaid> 2 10:11 < quaid> 1 10:11 < quaid> </meeting>

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FDSCo Meeting YYYY-MM-DD IRC log
by Karsten Wade 20 May '07

20 May '07

HTML output is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minute… 09:04 < quaid> <meeting> 09:05 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:06 < quaid> 07:42 < stickster> If I can connect from my buddy's house I will do so 09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> In case I don't make it, release-notes are currently building fine from CVS HEAD 09:06 < quaid> 07:45 < stickster> The IG is progressing, see f-docs-commits for detail 09:06 < quaid> 07:46 < stickster> Closd a number of bugs yesterday for IG 09:07 < quaid> so, at least those essential pieces are in the clear 09:07 < quaid> I still plan a good round of edits to the IG 09:07 < quaid> anyone should give it a go; you can use Yelp to display the XML in real-time for easy editing fun. 09:08 < JonRob> (still to get my teeth into cvs...maybe this is a good chance) 09:09 < quaid> yeh, it's pretty easy 09:10 < couf> ah yeah, saw that some time ago, any link? 09:11 < quaid> sorry, CVS usage? 09:11 < couf> quaid: yelp :-) 09:11 < quaid> ah 09:11 < couf> my bad 09:11 < quaid> hmm, you know ... we haven't a write up 09:11 < quaid> maybe under DP/Tools ? 09:11 < JonRob> it's in the archives...the bit about yelp 09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml 09:12 < quaid> anyway, you just do 'yelp /path/to/RELEASE-NOTES.xml &' 09:12 < quaid> it will build up the whole document that is called by that parent XML file, and display it 09:12 < couf> ah right, thanks 09:13 < quaid> then when you edit, you just reload (I close and reopen, since there isn't a reload function I've seen) 09:13 < quaid> so, about the guides ... 09:13 < JonRob> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-April/msg00199.html 09:13 * jmbuser will document this soon - very slick 09:13 < JonRob> is the message 09:13 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#guides-schedule 09:13 < couf> thanks JonRob 09:14 < quaid> ok, now that schedule is for anything that we want to get translated in time for release 09:14 < quaid> last week we decided that the relnotes and IG are the two "must haves" for release 09:15 < quaid> so, yes, anything the group can do to help make sure that the IG goes to trans on time is a Good Thing. 09:15 < quaid> as for the other guides ... 09:15 < quaid> we have strong leadership from jmbuser for the UG, but ... 09:16 < quaid> jmbuser: do you have an identified team helping? or is it a loose group? do you want it formalized more? 09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: No identifiable group so far...correct me if I'm wrong 09:17 < quaid> hmm 09:17 < JonRob> i'll jump in if you need it 09:17 < JonRob> will have a lot more time this week 09:17 < quaid> well, yes the folks on the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Contributors page ... aren't that evident currently 09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: I'm willing to solo, but I would prefer an ensemble effort 09:17 < jmbuser> JonRob: Thanks 09:17 < quaid> JonRob: consider yourself engaged with this then :) 09:18 < quaid> add yourself to the Contributors page 09:18 < JonRob> quaid: sure 09:18 < JonRob> jmbuser: no problem :D 09:18 < jmbuser> I need to put the framework in place - and then please fill in where you can 09:18 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:18 < couf> jmbuser's grand idea for the FUG :-) 09:18 < quaid> jmbuser: one tip, feel free to brain-dump into the wiki, just put a comment in the commit note about the state of the content 09:19 < quaid> that helps editors know "ignore, edit, or make pariah from" :) 09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: NP - I noticed an "es" translation of the docs/drafts version today - very scary 09:19 < quaid> in the wiki? eek 09:19 < couf> yeah, should we talk to that guy? 09:19 < quaid> definitely shouldn't be translating in the Wiki 09:19 < jmbuser> quaid: I was thinking of a warning label 09:20 < quaid> yes 09:20 < couf> he's been keeping up with your work for most of it 09:20 < quaid> at this point, we are moving clearly to Plone, although the schedule is a bit unknown when what will be where 09:20 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has joined #fedora-docs 09:21 < quaid> hey, there's one of the folks who has written for the UG 09:21 < jmbuser> I deinitely need to put something like a "blasting zone" danger sign up :-) 09:21 < couf> [splinux]: damien run ;-) 09:21 < jmbuser> s/deinitely/definitely/ 09:21 < quaid> [splinux]: we're on the final push for the Fedora User Guide for F7, if you are interested in helping with this release 09:21 < quaid> :) 09:22 < jmbuser> [splinux]: Welcome 09:23 < [splinux]> hey all 09:23 < couf> so first call is IG, anyone willing to spend some time, get into the FUG 09:23 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has joined #fedora-docs 09:23 < pingou_laptop> hi 09:23 < quaid> in fact, the IG is just a few days from going out for translation, so that is quite timely 09:23 < [splinux]> quaid, I'm busy for this week :( 09:24 < jmbuser> I will take responsibility for not hassling, er, following up with contributors 09:24 < quaid> [splinux]: no worries, just pouncing since you walked in the channel in a timely fashion :) 09:24 < [splinux]> :) 09:25 < jmbuser> IG is higher priority - we can do an F7 FUG announcement later, like for FC6 DUG 09:26 < quaid> yep 09:26 < quaid> ok, let's try another on-list reminder this week to help with the UG 09:27 < jmbuser> I plan to finish the outline, so that volunteers can pick a section and fill it out 09:27 < quaid> cool! 09:27 < jmbuser> I can also advertise it on my blog - after the outline's in place 09:27 < couf> yeah, get that out somewhere too 09:27 < JonRob> jmbuser: are you going to clean out a lot of the screenshots from later on in the guide? 09:27 < quaid> let's feature it a bit on the DP/Tasks page 09:27 < JonRob> i'll put it in fwn if appropriate 09:28 < quaid> not all the pieces, just a few pointers, maybe start a DP/Tasks/UserGuide for everythin 09:28 < jmbuser> JonRob: I plan to remove all screenshots except for the three desktops and I will leave in icons 09:28 < couf> quaid: +1 09:29 < JonRob> jmbuser: cool 09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: This will speed things up and make it easier to translate 09:29 < JonRob> will look better too i think 09:29 < jmbuser> JonRob: agreed 09:30 < quaid> I haven't been able to do much extra at all, such as the Tasks page, we still need to jam it ahead as a collaboratively built page 09:32 < JonRob> quaid: if i find the time i'll help out here too 09:33 < quaid> ok, so for the rest of the guides ... 09:34 < couf> AG guide is something we should get started on post F7 09:35 < couf> and as fast as possible, to get this out somewhat half of the F8 cycle, as this doesn't change that much between releases 09:36 < quaid> we're having a bit of a lull in writing participation, is this just the time of year (school end) and near-to-release? 09:36 < quaid> maybe we should do the bulk of writing for these kind of guides between releases, and just have them updated lightly when the next release near? 09:36 < JonRob> quaid: sounds like a good approach, minimises stress! 09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:36 < couf> quaid: yeah, a combination of both 09:36 < couf> quaid: +1 09:38 < JonRob> what do people think of the software management guide? 09:39 < JonRob> could a lot of that be pulled into the admin guide? 09:39 < JonRob> or maybe the essentials 09:39 < quaid> well 09:39 < quaid> it's for end-users 09:39 < pingou_laptop> I have to go ... 09:39 -!- pingou_laptop [n=pingou(a)haar113.athome221.WAU.NL] has left #fedora-docs ["Salut!!"] 09:40 < quaid> JonRob: we wouldn't want to send end-users into a chapter of the AG to learn something, too scary 09:40 < quaid> the idea of the stand-alone is to empower those users, "oh, this is easy" 09:40 < couf> part in DUG, part in AG? 09:40 < JonRob> quaid: yeah but a lot of the SMG is pretty scary! 09:40 < couf> as in updating your software -> DUG, adding repo's -> AG 09:40 < quaid> hmm 09:40 < quaid> true that 09:41 < quaid> mether: you about? 09:41 < quaid> that's a sensible proposal, i think 09:41 < quaid> JonRob: can you make that suggestion (as couf laid it out) on-list? 09:42 < JonRob> quaid: sure 09:42 < quaid> mether has been doing the bulk of the work there, I'm sure he'll think it's a good idea, and the advantage of adding a little content to grow an existing team effort is a good one 09:43 < quaid> ok, then, let's cover the last item ... 09:44 < quaid> en v. en_US etc. 09:44 < quaid> now, I claim near-ignorance here, I've never researched the standards and UTF needs and such 09:45 < JonRob> (posted to the list, hope i got the message across) 09:47 < couf> hmm it seems the official list says it's a three character thing right now 09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/ISO-639-2_values_8bits-utf-8.txt 09:47 < couf> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php 09:47 < couf> last one is a bit easier to read 09:49 < quaid> so what is the deal with the _XY 09:49 < couf> it seemed to have never been an ISO-standard 09:49 -!- [splinux] [n=[splinux@fedora/splinux] has left #fedora-docs ["Quitte"] 09:51 < couf> so that would mean ... 09:52 < couf> a) everything has to a ab-type code 09:52 < couf> b) change like everything to the newest ISO standard, meaning docs, software, .... 09:52 < couf> and hope that gettext get's this 09:57 < couf> ah, got the _XY, it's the country code, which may be added to specify to which country this specific translation applies 09:59 < quaid> ah 09:59 < quaid> cool 10:00 < quaid> couf: we do specifically use US English in these cases 10:00 < quaid> why? 10:00 < quaid> I want a Brit to be able to write en_UK and then I can become a translator! 10:01 < couf> quaid: you're americans ;-) 10:01 < couf> as such, should we move everything on docs.fp.org to use en_US instead of en? 10:02 < quaid> probably 10:02 < quaid> in fact, that is a leftover inconsistency yes 10:03 < quaid> ok, let's confirm this detail to the list so there are no surprises 10:03 * quaid asks couf to send that email 10:03 < quaid> and then we can close this meetin' 10:03 < couf> sure 10:04 < quaid> rather ... any other business/topics? 10:04 < couf> ow yeah, I've got one left 10:04 < couf> are we gonna update the style to the new static page style, or stay like it is and wait for plone? 10:05 < JonRob> there's a new static page style!? 10:06 < couf> JonRob: yeah, it's coming http://fedora.riczho.dyndns.org/static/ 10:06 < quaid> oh, we can wait 10:06 < quaid> well, I see what you mean 10:06 < quaid> we could update docs.fp.o, sure 10:06 < quaid> ultimately, yes, Plone will handle it, and we'll port the CSS to the Wiki as well 10:06 < JonRob> couf: cool :D 10:07 < quaid> JonRob: static page because we want the front of fp.o to load fast for the release, unlike for FC-6 10:07 < quaid> so we're doing two-birds, one-stone -- static page and new style for the site 10:07 < JonRob> quaid: yeah, is awesome idea i think 10:07 < quaid> couf: let's plan on updating docs.fp.o with the new style, once it is fully baked 10:08 < quaid> it's actually in CVS now, so we could start experimenting 10:08 < couf> quaid: cool 10:08 * quaid is not sure if there are any here who like to play with CSS 10:08 < quaid> actually, I like it now, but I'm jammed on time, so I probably won't play 10:08 * couf thinks glezos ;-) 10:08 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:08 < quaid> but it is all in cvs.fp.o:/cvs/web/static 10:09 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser(a)195.229.24.83] has joined #fedora-docs 10:09 < quaid> yeah, when glezos gets back from galavanting around, we'll ask him, if it's not done already :) 10:09 < couf> okay, well if I find some time, I'll have a got at it 10:10 < couf> that's all for me 10:10 < quaid> it's probably pretty straightforward 10:10 < quaid> esp with the Web Developer plugin for Firefox 10:10 < quaid> ok, if there is nothing more ... 10:10 * quaid waits 30 seconds 10:10 < couf> Web Devel + Firebug ++ :-) 10:11 < quaid> do they do similar things? or are they complementary? 10:11 < quaid> final countdown ... 10:11 < quaid> 5 10:11 < quaid> 4 10:11 < quaid> 3 10:11 < quaid> 2 10:11 < quaid> 1 10:11 < quaid> </meeting>

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Re: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops" by JohnBabich
by Paul W. Frields 20 May '07

20 May '07

I'm using this wiki commit message as an opportunity to talk about some problems I'm seeing in composition and style that writers should keep in mind. This hopefully will benefit a bunch of folks... On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 14:21 +0000, fedorawiki-noreply(a)fedoraproject.org wrote: > The three major desktop managers included with Fedora 7 are: > > - * GNOME - previously the desktop manager installed by default > + * GNOME - previously the default desktop manager, still an > excellent choice > - * KDE - a desktop manager known for its large collection of > applications and great customization > + * KDE - a desktop manager known for its large collection of > applications and great customization features > - * Xfce - an excellent desktop manager for legacy PCs and laptops, > due to its low-memory requirements > + * Xfce - an excellent desktop manager for legacy PCs and laptops, > due to its low-memory requirements, with great add-on features PROBLEM: Making judgment calls in writing. Do not classify things as "good," "bad," "ugly," or anything else subjective. Do not show bias or qualitative comparison. > Many others are also available, some of which can be installed from > Fedora's extensive library of applications, or ''repositories''. > > Before describing the desktop managers in greater detail, it's good > to know that applications written for one desktop manager work with > other managers with very few exceptions. > > - For instance, '''konqueror''' is a combination web browser/file > manager which is part of the KDE suite of applications. Although a KDE > application, Konqueror also runs seamlessly with the GNOME and Xfce > desktop managers available with Fedora. > + For instance, '''Konqueror''' is a combination web browser/file > manager which is part of the KDE suite of applications. Although a KDE > application, Konqueror also runs seamlessly with the GNOME and Xfce > desktop managers available with Fedora. PROBLEM #1: Do not use "/" in writing, such as "he/she," "and/or", or any other construct. Some languages do not allow this construct -- therefore avoid it. Use "and" or "or," or simply restructure the sentence to avoid this issue. PROBLEM #2: The word "combination" is unnecessary here. By using the word "and" the implication is that the application is indeed a combination, so fixing Problem #1 will take care of this issue. PROBLEM #3: Avoid adverbs where possible, since they often indicate qualitative judgments (see above). PROBLEM #4: Avoid misleading technical cues. "[A]vailable with Fedora" seems to imply that the user's Fedora system comes with these desktop managers installed, which often may not be the case. SOLUTION: "Konqueror is a web browser and file manager included in the KDE suite of applications. Konqueror can also be used with the GNOME and Xfce desktop managers." > Another example is the '''Open``Office.org''' office suite. > Open``Office.org applications run on the three major desktops shipped > with Fedora. In fact, once an application is in use, it's sometimes > difficult to tell which desktop manager is active. PROBLEM #1: Avoid contractions such as "it's." PROBLEM #2: The use of "In fact" here is unnecessary and implies that we're not being factual in other parts of the document, which I would assume is not the case. :-) > Remember, Fedora Linux is all about choice. There are many > applications from which to choose in order for Fedora users to browse > the World Wide Web, write and edit documents, and display and edit > photos. PROBLEM #1: Telling the user "Remember" is an unnecessary instruction. Furthermore, there is a qualitative judgment that "Fedora Linux [sic] is all about choice." Rephrase this to remove these issues. PROBLEM #2: The phrase "in order" (such as "in order to" or "in order for") is usually redundant. Avoid it whenever possible. PROBLEM #3: Avoid passive voice to make sentences stronger. SOLUTION: "Fedora offers an array of choices for performing many common tasks. Users may choose from many applications to browse the World Wide Web, write and edit documents, and display and edit photos." > - This guide describes the most common applications which are > installed. Other applications are also described as equally good > alternatives to the "default" applications. In fact, the idea of a > "default application" is becoming rather meaningless, as the ease of > installing Fedora applications increases. > + This guide describes the most common applications which are > installed. Other applications are also described that are equally good > alternatives to the "default" applications. In fact, the idea of a > "default application" is becoming rather meaningless, as the ease of > installing Fedora applications increases. PROBLEM #1: Qualitative judgments ("equally good alternatives," "rather meaningless.") PROBLEM #2: The FDUG's objective is to describe the default installation of Fedora. Avoid mission drift. SOLUTION: "This guide describes the most commonly installed desktop applications." (And then ensure the FDUG actually *DOES* this.) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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FDSCo Meeting Today?
by John Babich 20 May '07

20 May '07

Are we having the regularly scheduled meeting today (Sunday) at 1400 hrs UTC? John Babich Fedora Docs Project

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I'm back!
by Pawel Sadowski 20 May '07

20 May '07

Hi guys! I'm writing to inform you that I'm already back after my exams. I have 5170 mails to read, so I can find out what's going on :) Ok, I think that's all for now. It's wonderful to be here again :) Cheers, Pawel

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Q: Docs Translation statictics
by Hyuugabaru 19 May '07

19 May '07

Hi, all: I'm translating messages and docs into Japanese these three weeks or so. I've translated "about-fedora", "homepage", "readme", and "readme-burning-isos". (At the starting, the scores were 1/8/31, 11/2/24, 1/9/54, and 54/34/10) Now, I'm suffering to translate "release-notes". There are so many fuzzies and untranslateds. I've been checking from the web page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics but currently, it does not show translation statistics of Japanese release-notes. So, I copied and modified the shell script on the web page and executed, but it shows: ja: /396/ /396/34/ /397/ /3/ just like <stickster_work> at 09:10 in "FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-12 IRC log" saying the statistics of homepage-ja. The first scores I logged were 112/195/233/ and, the last scores showed on the web page were 146/170/224. I'm not so familiar with cvs command. How do I get the correct statistics? Thanks in advance. p.s. I'm new to translate on Fedora Project, and made some handing errors. --> Thanks Paul W. Frields for correctings. Hyu_gabaru Ryu_ichi hyu_gabaru(a)yahoo.co.jp Shizuoka, Japan -------------------------------------- Easy + Joy + Powerful = Yahoo! Bookmarks x Toolbar http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/toolbar/

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Re: Making beagle optional
by Rahul Sundaram 16 May '07

16 May '07

Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 14 May 2007 16:14:48 Jesse Keating wrote: >> The beagle package set will be added to the manifest for the 'Fedora' spin >> of Fedora 7. This will help folks upgrading from Fedora Core 6 that may >> have beagle installed. > > To clarify, this will make the beagle packages available on the Fedora spin > isos, but still only optional packages. They will be available for the > upgrade case, and users would have to click on them specifically in the > package selection screen to get them on the install case. It won't be available within the live images. Right? Rahul

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FDSCo Meeting 2007-05-12 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 16 May '07

16 May '07

Also at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minute… 09:07 < quaid> <meeting> 09:07 * quaid was busy handing out oatmeal and toast 09:08 * gomix my first... just listening 09:08 < stickster_work> hi everybody 09:08 < couf> hi all 09:08 < stickster_work> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings 09:08 * EvilBob is still here 09:09 * stickster_work just posted an update to the relnotes schedule to closer match reality 09:09 < quaid> ok 09:09 < stickster_work> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule 09:09 < stickster_work> didn't do guide schedule tho' 09:10 < quaid> we can discuss that one 09:10 < couf> yeah, guides in somewhat uncertain 09:10 < stickster_work> Also, check out those statistics: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation/Statistics 09:10 < couf> s/in/is 09:11 < quaid> wow, are those, like, complete? 09:11 * quaid works on his, you know, King of the Comma thing 09:12 < stickster_work> Yeah, and ignore the funkiness in the homepage-ja -- there's a trivial error in the PO but that one is done too. 09:12 < couf> nice stats, thanks for keeping this up2date 09:12 * quaid was just going to ask about that one 09:12 < stickster_work> Unfortunately, Emacs is terminally busted in Rawhide right now so I can't open it to fix it! :-) 09:12 < quaid> I bet Vim isn't busted! :) 09:13 < stickster_work> Oh, AS IF I'd use that... ;-) 09:13 < EvilBob> lol 09:13 < jsmith> stickster_work: You *will* and you'll like it :-) 09:13 < stickster_work> I like eating chinese food with one chopstick too 09:13 * quaid side notes that he is happy that jsmith is a DocBook and Vim user, might help us to improve our story in that area 09:13 < stickster_work> No kidding 09:13 < jsmith> That's right! 09:13 < stickster_work> By the way, everyone, welcome jsmith, a great guy who lives about 20 min. from my house, believe it or not 09:14 * quaid *boggles* 09:14 < quaid> a real-life person :) 09:14 < stickster_work> OK, maybe 30 09:14 < stickster_work> Published author extraordinaire 09:14 < jsmith> So, I signed up for an account... still need to introduce myself on the list 09:14 < couf> sweetness 09:14 < jsmith> Make my new gpg key, etc. this morning too 09:14 < EvilBob> legends don't need introduction? 09:14 < quaid> ok, i declare myself happy with the state of the relnotes and translations 09:14 < EvilBob> or something 09:14 < couf> quaid: ++ 09:15 < quaid> EvilBob: they do, unless they want people to make up their own story about their legend status 09:15 < EvilBob> lol 09:15 < stickster_work> We'll drop this to releng 'round about Thursday 09:15 < stickster_work> If I can interject a little status here 09:15 < quaid> aye? 09:15 < quaid> or, rather, aye! (?) 09:15 < stickster_work> I spoke with glezos at RHS about this, in particular, whether we wanted to try and sneak in any additional content the last few days 09:15 < quaid> heh heh 09:16 < stickster_work> He felt it would be a bad idea. I was hoping to get in one or two Very Important Things, but I thought better of it on the plane coming home. 09:16 < quaid> after all, if it ain't broke yet, keep on hitting it with a hammer! 09:16 < quaid> stickster_work: now you feel like all the other people who worry about our early schedule for trans 09:16 < quaid> remember our secret plan? 09:16 < stickster_work> What I think made up my mind was a bit of thread I saw on either f-devel-l or f-maintainers-l 09:16 < quaid> that we are going to put a link at the top of all pages to the Web-version? 09:17 * quaid actually never got a confirmation that this plan was a good idea 09:17 * couf likes linking 09:17 -!- jmbuser [n=chatzill(a)212.70.37.3] has joined #fedora-docs 09:18 < stickster_work> What does "at the top of all pages" mean, remind me? 09:18 * jmbuser joins you late via a 26.4 kbps dial-up connection 09:18 < quaid> ok, like this ... 09:18 < couf> welcome jmbuser 09:18 < stickster_work> Hi jmbuser! 09:18 < EvilBob> Hey look jmbuser is here kinda 09:18 < jmbuser> carry on 09:18 < EvilBob> jmbuser: Don't worry we will type slow for you 09:19 < quaid> stickster_work: we copy the admonition from the OverView (in all $LANGs) and paste it at the top of each XML page 09:19 < quaid> probably the best way is to ... 09:19 < quaid> do the change in the XML in en_US, then make new POT, then copy in the msgstr to each POT file 09:20 < stickster_work> quaid: Shouldn't have to even do the copying -- the gettext utilities should be smart enough to do all this automagically 09:20 < quaid> cool 09:20 < stickster_work> I mean, the copying of other LANGs. 09:20 < stickster_work> I'll give this a whirl real quick and tell you results before we're done here 09:20 < quaid> I know it makes the pages a bit busy, but ... 09:20 < stickster_work> I was going to suggest that we put it at the top of all the "substantive" parts, i.e. not the colophon, stuff like that 09:21 < quaid> anything else on the relnotes? 09:21 < quaid> ok, sure, colophon we can skip 09:21 < stickster_work> Also, we should be dropping the PackageChanges content from the XML version 09:21 < quaid> oh, yeah, def. 09:21 < stickster_work> coolness 09:21 < couf> aye 09:21 < stickster_work> ha! 09:21 < quaid> we're going to leave that on the wiki, right? 09:21 * stickster_work keeps typing "emacs <something>" by habit and gets ugly stack dump 09:21 < stickster_work> quaid: +1, right 09:22 < stickster_work> just eliminate from shipping version 09:22 < quaid> 'scool 09:22 * stickster_work cries over his lost Emacs 09:22 < quaid> no doubt 09:22 < stickster_work> "You never gave up on anything in your life, you bitch! Now fight! FIIIIIGHT!!!!" 09:23 < stickster_work> (Ed Harris, "The Abyss"? Anyone? *sigh) 09:23 * stickster_work simmers down 09:23 < jsmith> Yeah, I got it 09:24 < jsmith> Good movie, considering 09:24 < stickster_work> thank goodness... 09:24 < quaid> +1 to the director's cut, -1 to the theater release 09:24 < stickster_work> true dat 09:24 < jsmith> Haven't seen the director's cut 09:24 * jsmith needs to do that 09:24 < quaid> it's like "2.5 stars" becomes "3.5 stars" 09:25 < quaid> ok ... 09:25 * couf needs to see it 09:25 < quaid> on to IG talk 09:25 < quaid> (and other guides, one at a time) 09:25 < jmbuser> focus 09:25 < stickster_work> Uh-oh, IG is me too 09:25 < quaid> jmbuser: well, yeah, since you may disappear in a cloud of modem at any time 09:25 < jmbuser> ok 09:25 < stickster_work> Actually, I've made quite a bit of progress, been committing steadily 09:26 < stickster_work> Still encouraging people to check out, patch, whatever 09:27 < stickster_work> the RHS interfered somewhat, as I suspected, and when I got back I had a horrendous back spasm that put me out of commish for the last 48 hours 09:27 < stickster_work> I should be able to do quite a bit more work this week 09:27 < stickster_work> The week's slippage is a bit of a godsend if for no other reason than that 09:27 < EvilBob> +1 09:27 * quaid has been reading IG, but not for a week 09:27 < quaid> I'll def. add an edit this week 09:28 < quaid> we can talk about the schedule here, too 09:28 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#Guides 09:28 < EvilBob> For those of you who don't know the internet access in the rooms at the RHS was worse than jmbuser's connection plus it was shared 09:28 < stickster_work> That is NO lie. 09:29 < stickster_work> The only decent wifi was set up by RH, which meant a 1/4 mile walk from my tower to the convention area 09:29 < EvilBob> Several of us worked a lot in the summit spaces even after hours 09:29 < couf> ouch 09:29 < stickster_work> So, back on topic -- 09:30 < stickster_work> From my vantage point, I think a F7 GA of 5/31 is somewhat... optimistic. 09:30 < stickster_work> It could happen. 09:30 < stickster_work> But the QA efforts have been hampered by the Rawhide slump during the final parts of the merge. 09:30 < stickster_work> There are a number of regressions that the developers are trying to overcome 09:31 < EvilBob> Yeah looking like early June from the voices I have been hearing 09:31 < stickster_work> So we may be in good shape by setting a CVS freeze up for, say, 22 May 09:31 < stickster_work> Maybe even 27 May 09:31 < quaid> let's presume a later release for all guides, except ... 09:31 < quaid> maybe we can be prepared with just the IG in case they finish "on time" 09:31 < stickster_work> I think 22 May gives the translators more time for these guides, but we should keep in mind that translations may not come out until significantly after GA 09:31 < stickster_work> quaid: Roger that 09:32 < jmbuser> BTW, has anyone else had some hiccups in F7T4 after updating? 09:32 < EvilBob> quaid: +1 09:32 < quaid> yes, that's OK, as long as the English is out on time and we are updating with l10n rapidly 09:32 < stickster_work> jmbuser: Yes, let's save that discussion for after meeting tho' 09:32 < couf> quaid: +1 09:32 < jmbuser> ok 09:32 < couf> May 27 seems like a reasonable freeze-date 09:33 < EvilBob> I think if we can team up with Paul on the IG and get it done then start looking at other targets it would be a good idea 09:34 < quaid> sure, just not all of us :) because we have other stuff to get done, too 09:35 < stickster_work> +1 09:36 < jsmith> So, assuming I find some time this week to help out, what should I begin with? 09:36 < stickster_work> I'd appreciate if someone files a bug saying, "You forgot <X>" 09:37 * EvilBob goes to file that bug 09:37 < quaid> I think jsmith is probably needed on either the user guide or the admin guide 09:37 < jsmith> OK... I'll look for those modules in CVS 09:37 < stickster_work> yeah, I think a large part of this is reviewing what's been written for style and audience consideration 09:37 < stickster_work> Is either of those in CVS yet? 09:38 < couf> dug version 6 yes, devel not yet 09:38 < couf> or fug or whatever 09:39 < couf> admin not afaik 09:39 < quaid> sorry, Wiki 09:39 < stickster_work> yeah, jsmith, here's where you find out how much work there really is to do :-D 09:39 < stickster_work> We've been paying a penalty on "few writers, lotsa work" 09:40 * stickster_work considers briefly analogy to budget deficit and give sup 09:40 < stickster_work> s/give sup/gives up/ 09:40 < jsmith> That's fine... I can't guarantee how much time I can devote to the project, but I'll do my best 09:41 < stickster_work> Rather than divvying up our forces too much, why not let jsmith collaborate on either the UG or the IG as he sees fit? 09:41 < stickster_work> We can set other targets after those are done, with a better chance of getting things done for F8 09:42 < jmbuser> jsmith: Are you willing and able to add some KDE love to the DUG/FUG? 09:42 * couf nots yum-guide is sorta getta some love in the wiki 09:42 < jsmith> I haven't touched KDE in ages 09:42 < couf> s/nots/notes 09:43 < jsmith> Of course, that might mean I'll see it with fresh eyes! 09:43 * couf loves our new tagline ;) 09:44 < stickster_work> Who is helping mether with the yum SMG? 09:44 < jmbuser> jsmith: I overcame my writer's block today (on the wiki) and am trying to figure out how to deal fairly with both KDE and GNOME apps 09:45 < jmbuser> jsmith: without totally confusing the reader. 09:45 < couf> stickster_work: iirc JonRob 09:46 < jmtaylor> I have some time this week to devote, if someone could point me in a direction :) 09:46 < stickster_work> jmtaylor: Do you have a Rawhide box? 09:46 < stickster_work> Or F7test4 09:46 < stickster_work> ? 09:46 < jmtaylor> I can make one yes 09:46 < stickster_work> jmtaylor: OK, you're going to need to be a little proactive here 09:47 < stickster_work> Install one, then check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide 09:47 < stickster_work> There are some "to-do's" at the top 09:47 < stickster_work> So start checking chapters, find out what doesn't work right anymore (has become outdated), and fix it on the wiki 09:47 < stickster_work> That's an easy way to have a BIG impact right away 09:47 < jmbuser> +1 09:47 < stickster_work> Rahul, Jon and lots of the rest of us can watch your commits. 09:48 < stickster_work> jmtaylor: Do you have watch pages set in your wiki user prefs? 09:48 < stickster_work> At the very least, you should set one for Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagement* 09:48 < jmtaylor> stickster_work: yes, I do 09:48 < stickster_work> That will show you any changes that we make in response 09:48 < stickster_work> So you can pick up tips and hints on how to write more clearly (or at least more in line with our style preferences) :-) 09:49 < stickster_work> Assuming, of course, that the changes are improvements -- which is not necessarily a given! :-D 09:49 < stickster_work> We all try our best ;-) 09:49 < jmtaylor> heh, true 09:49 < stickster_work> OK, my time is running short guys, for whatever that's worth 09:50 < EvilBob> I figure about $143 per hour 09:50 < stickster_work> Is there anyone thinking "Gee, I don't have enough to do."? 09:50 < stickster_work> :-D 09:51 < jmbuser> you or me? :-) 09:51 < couf> jmbuser: okay to start converting the fug to xml so we have an xml in the back? 09:51 * stickster_work blows outta here like the wind, back to $DAYJOB 09:51 < couf> stickster_work: thanks dude 09:52 < jmbuser> couf: You may have noticed that I'm starting to edit the docs/drafts version 09:52 < jmbuser> stickster_work: thanks 09:52 < couf> yeah, that's why :-) want to be a bit proactive here aswell 09:52 < couf> some stuff won't change, give translators some chances to get it ahead of time 09:53 < stickster_work> couf: Keep in mind, once you go XML, it gets exponentially harder to bring in chnages 09:53 < stickster_work> well, exponentially is not quite right... but somewhat more difficult, to be sure 09:53 < jmbuser> couf: Unfortunately, I'm not a methodical writer - I will probably be banging on it for some time - and seeking feedback 09:53 < quaid> right, there is a gray line 09:54 < couf> stickster_work: thanks for the warning there :) 09:54 < jmbuser> couf: wiki is good for getting feedback quickly 09:54 < stickster_work> couf: np, let me know if I'm annoying you :-D 09:54 < quaid> there is a point where it is easier to re-convert than to manually port changes 09:55 < couf> jmbuser: sure go ahead, warn us in time to do the conv 09:55 < stickster_work> true 09:55 * jmbuser wants to go wild on the wiki :-) 09:56 < quaid> go baby go! 09:56 * quaid looks at the agenda again 09:56 < jmbuser> couf: give me a deadline 09:56 < quaid> I think we need to seek AG status on list 09:56 < quaid> and that ties up all the business 09:56 < couf> quaid: yeah, not sure if that's even alive 09:57 < couf> jmbuser: take your time, my friend :-) 09:59 < couf> quick question: are we still using the publish queue for putting docs online? 10:00 -!- jmtaylor [n=jason(a)c-68-42-82-39.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:00 < stickster_work> yes 10:00 < stickster_work> At least, I do 10:00 < stickster_work> It's an easy way to spot documents that are ready 10:01 < couf> yeah, although most translators don't even know about it 10:01 < stickster_work> yes, it probably needs to go into TQSG 10:01 < stickster_work> couf: Maybe you could file a bug on that? 10:02 < couf> sure 10:02 < stickster_work> I'll fix it as soon as I get a few min 10:02 < stickster_work> Or you could feel free to do it yourself, I'll see the commit and edit as necessary 10:02 < couf> yeah, I might do that 10:02 < couf> I'll open the bug in any case 10:03 < quaid> the pub-queue was sort of a stop-gap ... 10:03 < quaid> we can continue using it until glezos' magic system does auto-alerts :0 10:04 < couf> oooh magic :) 10:04 < stickster_work> right 10:04 < quaid> ok, that looks like the stuff 10:04 < quaid> any other business? (AOB) 10:05 < couf> heh lol, bug already exists (#198848) 10:06 < couf> quaid: nothing here 10:06 < quaid> right on from me, too 10:06 * quaid does the 10 second count down to close 10:07 < quaid> 10 10:07 < quaid> 9 10:07 < quaid> 8 10:07 < quaid> 7 10:07 < quaid> 6 10:07 < quaid> 5 10:07 < quaid> 4 10:07 < quaid> 3 10:07 < quaid> 2 10:07 < quaid> 1 10:07 < jsmith> 3.14 10:07 < quaid> curses, caught by pi! 10:07 < quaid> </meeting>

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Re: Making beagle optional
by Rahul Sundaram 14 May '07

14 May '07

Alexander Larsson wrote: > I just commited a change to comps which makes beagle optional instead of > installed by default. The idea with beagle (and tracker) is nice, but > bugs keep on showing up causing the search daemon to use a lot of cpu > and/or memory, and this makes the default install look pretty bad. > > This is somewhat of a feature regression in the default install, but at > this point we just don't have the manpower to make it work 100%. But if > people want it its still there, and eventually it'll be good enought to > turn on by default without affecting the general distro quality. > A very good decision. Thank you. Rahul

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Meeting rescheduling
by Paul W. Frields 14 May '07

14 May '07

For this week, since we have a number of people out of commission due to Mothers Day, jet lag, and other issues, are people willing to reschedule for later in the week? I see that if I can free up my lunch hour this Tuesday 15 May (1600 UTC/1200 Eastern/0900 Pacific), that will make everyone free according to the schedule we all posted at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen/MeetingTimes So can everyone do Tuesday at 1600 UTC then? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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