Re: trademark legal issues for Fedora
by Paul W. Frields
I'm going to move this discussion to fedora-docs-list, where others can
help think about the solution in a Brave New World of documents
individually hosted as projects.
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 12:56 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I noticed ... that the documentation in
> Fedora does not include any trademark attribution statements, or any
> proper marking.
>
> If a company decides they care about this, who gets the blame?
I think we have our trademark documentation in the legalnotice element
that's included in all our published documentation. That happens
automatically in the Fedora Docs toolchain when we make HTML or other
outputs from the XML.
Obviously, if we go to individually hosted Fedora projects for
documentation, we don't want each manual to carry its own copy of the
legal notice. What we could do is:
1. Continue to use XInclude for these purposes, basically putting in a
placeholder for the <legalnotice> element.
2. Have the README or other instructions for the project (and the .spec
file for the package) rely on a fedora-doc-common package.
a. That package would be *itself* a hosted project.
b. Its content would be original XML and PO files.
c. It would produce a package of all the XML files, original and
translated.
d. Those XML files would be used in the <xi:include> in the
individual hosted documents.
This makes sense to me from a programmatic standpoint. It's much like
Python projects -- you put in a README saying what the developer
(documentation writer) needs to have installed to help out. Then in
the .spec file you put in "BuildRequires: fedora-doc-common", which
means the RPM package that eventually goes to people's systems will have
all the right content inside.
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15 years, 10 months
FDSCo Meeting 2008-06-11 Summary
by Jared Smith
Attendees:
-----------
Paul Frields (stickster)
Eric Christensen (Sparks)
Jared Smith (jsmith)
Bart Couvreur (couf)
Karsten Wade (quaid)
Clint Savage (herlo)
Summary:
--------
* Leadership changes
~ - Everyone seemed to be in agreement on the proposed changes
~ - There was no response to Karsten's email, which is viewed as a
positive sign
* Release notes
~ - No change from last week
* Active content
~ - Security Guide to stay in the Wiki for now
~ - Call to arms (or pens, or keyboards) for help with Getting Involved
Guide and User Guide. Different sections will be assigned to various
members, similar to beats. Assignments will be made at some future time
* Cleaning up Projects list
~ - Deferred until we can figure out who added this to the agenda, and
what it means
* All other business
~ - Bart mentioned that he is making publishing docs to docs.fp.o
similar to how the main static site is built, and work is progressing
~ - Jared did a lousy job of leading the meeting, and shouldn't be
allowed to do it ever again
15 years, 10 months
FDSco Meeting 2008-06-11 IRC log
by Jared Smith
20:13:25 <jsmith> <meeting id="fdsco-11Jun2008">
20:13:33 <jsmith> <rolecall>
20:13:38 <jsmith> JaredSmith here
20:14:10 <couf> BartCouvreur at the table
20:14:31 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Get your docs on!
20:15:24 <quaid> KarstenWade arriveth
20:15:26 <jsmith> PaulWFrields is here in spirit
20:15:31 <quaid> jit, too
20:15:37 <jsmith> quaid: :-)
20:15:50 <jsmith> OK... If nobody else is here, let's start w/ the agenda
20:15:55 <quaid> rock on
20:15:56 <jsmith> (and no, there is no agenda)
20:16:03 <quaid> :D
20:16:07 <jsmith> Let's go off of last week's agenda, then
20:16:09 <quaid> ok, where did we leave last week?
20:16:11 <couf> okay, </meeting> ? :)
20:16:21 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Leadership Changes
20:16:22 <quaid> har!
20:16:32 <quaid> couf: hey, don't mess with my search terms!
20:16:33 <quaid> ;-D
20:16:46 <jsmith> Any more comments with regards to leadership changes?
20:16:48 <quaid> so I got an email on the governance out, no cries in protest
20:16:58 <quaid> (total silence, actually)
20:17:04 <jsmith> Shall we elect stickster our puppet dictator for life while he's not looking?
20:17:11 <couf> actually, does this needs to go to the Board, quaid board-member?
20:17:18 <couf> jsmith: +1
20:17:27 <quaid> couf: nope, and I'll tell ya why
20:17:39 <stickster> quaid: +1, "nope."
20:17:40 <quaid> the Board doesn't (or will remove?) specifics about governance like that
20:17:57 <couf> all righty :)
20:17:57 <jsmith> Fair enough...
20:17:59 <quaid> a subProj needs to have it's own governance control
20:18:10 <jsmith> ... with lack of complain to quaid's email, I say we make it so
20:18:12 <quaid> so we can hold elections and appoint to fill gaps, just self-appoint, whatever
20:18:19 <quaid> expand/contract to meet the needs as we go
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20:18:33 <quaid> ratify new lack of leaders? awesome
20:18:36 * quaid kids
20:18:44 <couf> heh, cool :)
20:18:46 <jsmith> quaid: Exactly! All in favor, raise your left toe!
20:19:21 * quaid raises his left toe
20:19:28 <jsmith> quaid: Leaders are people with experience. Experience is what you get *after* you need it. Hence, we need to throw problems at people to turn them into leaders.
20:19:29 <quaid> everyone at this cafe is looking at me strangely now
20:19:39 <jsmith> quaid: I'll bet :-)
20:19:58 <quaid> jsmith: hammer, meet nail
20:20:13 <jsmith> OK, anything else to discuss before moving on to the next topic at hand?
20:20:47 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo Meeting -- Release Notes
20:20:55 <jsmith> OK, where do we stand on the release notes?
20:21:05 <jsmith> I was out last week (teaching), so I'm not sure where we stand
20:21:07 <quaid> you know
20:21:09 <quaid> that was done last week
20:21:18 <quaid> I think the last items on the agenda were not all the way touched
20:21:23 <jsmith> Gotcha :-)
20:21:37 * quaid looks at summary
20:21:41 <stickster> And I made no progress since then on this item, truth be told :-(
20:21:44 <jsmith> I'm doing this blind ;-)
20:21:55 <quaid> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-June/msg00016.html
20:21:56 * couf neither
20:22:10 <quaid> we got as far as Sec Guide staying in the wiki until further notice
20:22:14 <quaid> and doing it as a wiki-based doc for now
20:22:26 <jsmith> Right...
20:23:00 <jsmith> OK... do we need to cover Wiki Gardening again, or move on to "Active content"?
20:23:02 * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... Active content (publish, edit, write)
20:23:12 <quaid> sorry :)
20:23:23 <jsmith> I will try to make some time over the next week or so to work on the GIG
20:23:27 <jsmith> (getting involved guide)
20:23:31 * herlo is actually here
20:23:33 <quaid> please help make [[Help:Wiki Structure]] make sense, is all
20:23:38 <quaid> yes, it's GIG time
20:23:42 <jsmith> I need to do some more writing to keep my sanity
20:23:48 <quaid> how about breaking it into beats? (of sort)
20:23:49 <jsmith> herlo: Feel free to join in
20:23:55 <jsmith> quaid: Sure... not a bad idea
20:23:58 <herlo> jsmith: want some help on that this weekend??
20:24:12 <quaid> like, I wanted to work on the pure develper part (getting hosted space, etc.)
20:24:15 * herlo has some time on Saturday not taken up yet :)
20:24:17 <quaid> and now want to add an ISV component
20:24:38 <quaid> ok, I'm going to edit the Summary to assign folks to spots
20:24:52 <quaid> we can move this later
20:24:59 <jsmith> quaid: I'd be happy to take some of the other parts... let me find a spot or two, and I'll get back to you offline
20:25:07 <jsmith> herlo: Can't over the weekend... -ENOTIME
20:25:13 * spot looks up
20:25:32 <herlo> lol
20:26:00 <quaid> that must happen as often as people expanding q:(uestion) in to quaid
20:26:02 <herlo> well, I guess I'll do what I can and give you feedback
20:26:38 <jsmith> OK... how 'bout the User Guide... anybody actively writing content for it?
20:26:43 <jsmith> Now's the time to step up!
20:27:16 <herlo> well, I've decided to contribute with screencasts
20:27:19 <quaid> iirc it's very close to ready for F9
20:27:22 <couf> the idea was to really push the GIG first, iirc
20:27:26 <quaid> and prioritized behind the IG
20:27:30 <quaid> GIG, yeah
20:27:45 <jsmith> OK...
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20:28:09 <herlo> how much stuff is left on the User Guide? I've been *so* out of hte loop lately...
20:28:23 <jsmith> herlo: We all have :-)
20:28:28 <quaid> there is a page ...
20:28:43 <quaid> or the front page of the draft has status?
20:29:19 <jsmith> Yeah, it has edit status, which gives a fairly good idea of what's done and what's not
20:29:32 * herlo is on that page now https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide
20:30:08 <herlo> I'm updating my sections to DONE
20:30:12 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... Cleaning up project lists
20:30:16 <herlo> looks like the move didn't get those changes
20:30:34 <jsmith> OK... so I'm not sure what this means...
20:30:51 <jsmith> quaid: Care to enlighten us on what you mean by "Cleaning up project lists"?
20:30:55 <jsmith> Mailing lists?
20:30:58 <jsmith> Lists of documents?
20:30:59 <quaid> sparks ?
20:31:04 <quaid> I think that was his item
20:31:06 * harrison1 is now known as harrisony
20:31:10 <jsmith> Hmmmmn...
20:31:18 <jsmith> All in favor of cleaning them up?!?
20:31:34 <quaid> um
20:31:35 <herlo> ooh, wait.. This is for F9, and it doesn't have Pup and Pirut, but PackageKit. I see...
20:31:57 <jsmith> I vote we DEFER the discussion of project lists cleanup until next week
20:32:35 <quaid> ding on sparks, he didn't explain his agenda additions in the changelog :(
20:32:46 * jsmith has changed the topic to: FDSCo is talking about ... All other business
20:33:14 <quaid> or wait ... who put that on the agenda?
20:33:19 <jsmith> So, I wont be at FUDCon, so somebody's gotta do a talk on the Docs Project (and maybe introduce people to Wiki and/or DocBook)
20:33:32 <couf> quaid: wasn't me
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20:33:53 <jsmith> quaid: Wasn't me
20:34:16 <couf> yeah I won't be at FUDCon too, but might be able to do one for the FUDCon in Praghue
20:34:26 <quaid> ah
20:34:34 <quaid> this is an item that predates the migration
20:34:38 <quaid> ok, fudcon talk
20:34:49 <quaid> doesn't paul have that on the barcamp list?
20:34:53 <jsmith> I hope so!
20:35:15 <quaid> there ya go
20:35:47 <jsmith> Yeah, he does
20:35:59 <jsmith> Looks like he copied it from our previous presentation
20:36:04 <quaid> ok, if he needs help, I'll do it, as long as I'm not conflicted with another commitment
20:36:09 <jsmith> Cool...
20:36:18 * jsmith wishes he had an extra week this month to be able to sneak up to Boston
20:37:03 <jsmith> Any other topics that need to be discussed?
20:37:10 <quaid> hmm
20:37:23 <quaid> been some chat on f-devel-l about the wiki
20:37:29 <quaid> appreciate that we were alerted and such
20:37:32 <jsmith> I have one, but I'm afraid it'll make the meeting drag on too long, and I'd really like stickster to be here for it, so I'll defer
20:37:38 <quaid> ok
20:37:40 <jsmith> Oh?
20:37:53 <quaid> just people trying to figure out the stuff we should have told them already :)
20:38:05 <quaid> so we need to work on more communication and help pages
20:38:11 <jsmith> Gotcha
20:38:16 <stickster> quaid: roger the fudcon session.
20:38:28 <quaid> main thing is getting Help:Wiki Structure so it tells people how to make new pages and spaces
20:39:09 <stickster> quaid: Can you help keep an eye on that during the BarCamp scheduling time in the morning? Making sure that, if possible, it doesn't conflict with your other desired sessions?
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20:39:15 <quaid> stickster: did you add the "Clean up Projects list?" agenda item?
20:39:21 <quaid> stickster: ok
20:39:34 <stickster> quaid: Hm. I don't recall.
20:40:04 <quaid> yeah, looks like maybe you did
20:40:22 <quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wikiold/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings?a...
20:40:34 <quaid> ok, then we'll consider it done until you remember and add it back in
20:40:50 <jsmith> OK... last chance to shout out!
20:40:58 <couf> yo
20:41:06 <couf> small thing, just fyi
20:41:15 * jsmith passes the microphone to couf
20:41:41 <couf> I'm working on trying to make publishing docs to docs.fp.o similar to how the main static site is built
20:42:03 <couf> and as such, to have the new layout and such
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20:42:31 <quaid> going to move the code to the git-web?
20:42:35 <quaid> or a new project for just docs?
20:42:46 <couf> not sure there
20:42:46 * quaid thinks he votes for the latter, so Docs can add people independent of Web
20:42:54 <couf> don't want to overload fedora-web
20:43:00 <couf> and that too
20:43:20 * mmcgrath agrees with quaid on that, and new repos are generally cheap.
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20:43:27 <quaid> we also need to start a tools project, so we can start to integrate our toolchain with publican somewhere new without CVS baggage :)
20:43:44 * Sparks is here
20:43:47 <quaid> couf: +1 thanks for working on that, long been bothering me but keep not getting ahead to it
20:44:05 <quaid> Sparks: sorry, I sullied your good name earlier :D
20:44:13 <Sparks> quaid: What did I do now?
20:44:16 <jsmith> Yeah... +1 to couf for working on that
20:44:21 * jsmith waves to Sparks
20:44:38 <quaid> Sparks: nothing, it turns out :)
20:44:52 <Sparks> quaid: I usually do nothing...
20:45:05 <quaid> Sparks: I thought you'd added an agenda item without explaining it in the agenda or in the commit comment log
20:45:13 <quaid> *bdum psh*
20:45:30 <couf> :)
20:45:35 <jsmith> OK... I think we're about ready to wrap up the meeting
20:45:35 <Sparks> quaid: And I didn't? Wow, that's amazing all by itself. I'll try harder next time.
20:45:53 <quaid> word
20:45:55 <jsmith> Speak now or forever (or until next week) hold your peace
20:45:58 <jsmith> 10...
20:46:00 <jsmith> 9...
20:46:02 <jsmith> 8...
20:46:03 <jsmith> 7...
20:46:05 <jsmith> 6...
20:46:08 <jsmith> 5...
20:46:10 <jsmith> 4...
20:46:13 <jsmith> 3.14159....
20:46:17 <jsmith> 2...
20:46:17 <couf> quaid: wtf is ISV?
20:46:23 * jsmith pauses the countdown
20:46:31 <jsmith> Independent Systems Vendor?
20:46:37 <quaid> s/systems/software/
20:46:49 <quaid> IHV = Intel, ISV = Red Hat, Alfresco, etc.
20:46:56 <couf> ah kay, check
20:46:58 <quaid> otoh, Intel does ISV work, too :)
20:47:06 <quaid> jsmith: go ahead and finish lad
20:47:07 <jsmith> quaid: Confusing world we live in, isn't it
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20:47:09 <jsmith> 1...
20:47:12 <jsmith> </meeting>
15 years, 10 months
[Fwd: Fedora 9 Installation Guide]
by Karsten Wade
Anyone interested in one or all of the following:
1. Converting the IG to use Publican
2. Making a PDF from it
3. Rebuilding the HTML
4. Posting the results on docs.fedoraproject.org
I'm happy to do #4, but don't have time right now for the others.
This regular request for PDFs for Fedora Docs would be great to answer
in the affirmative for a change.
- Karsten
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Hello,
Could you please provide a PDF version of "Fedora 9 Installation
Guide" ? I downloaded the offline version but a PDF would help me a lot
if I want to go print it at a local printing service. A PDF is one of
the best solutions to go for portability. I just take the file, give it
to them, and print it in a few seconds. Those offlines are going to give
them some headakes :)
--
Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr.
Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com
Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
gpg key : AD0E0C41
15 years, 10 months
[Fwd: Fedora 9 Installation Guide]
by Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
For your consideration.
-------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Constantin Cabiniuc <constantin.cabiniuc(a)gmail.com>
> To: webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Fedora 9 Installation Guide
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:31:56 +0300
>
> Hello,
>
> Could you please provide a PDF version of "Fedora 9 Installation
> Guide" ? I downloaded the offline version but a PDF would help me a
> lot if I want to go print it at a local printing service. A PDF is one
> of the best solutions to go for portability. I just take the file,
> give it to them, and print it in a few seconds. Those offlines are
> going to give them some headakes :)
>
> Thank You,
> Constantin Cabiniuc
--
Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams <ivazqueznet(a)gmail.com>
15 years, 10 months
Screencasts - Cheese
by Clint Savage
Hi all,
So I took a couple hours last night/this morning to create a screen cast of
cheese and its usage. I think its pretty good.
http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/cheese-final.ogg (9.4MB)
~4.75minutes
The only issue I saw with istanbul, was that when I'd sometimes launch an
application (cheese, or epiphany to show the cheese website) the audio would
get garbled a little or a lot during the presentation. I am not sure if
this is really a bug, or some sort of config error on my part.
Cheers,
Clint
15 years, 10 months
Moving User Wiki Pages to the new wiki - Phase II
by "G"
Hi
This is the second phase of moving the user wiki pages to the new
wiki. The Ambassadors in the following locations could move their user
wiki pages to the new wiki.
The following is the list :
* Central America
* Central Asia
* Eastern Asia
* Australia and New Zealand
There are a few IDs for which i couldnt find the FASIDs hence i
request the respective ambassadors to update their pages and the other
ambassadors could just verify their IDs and move their pages too. I
would notify other people once i move the next set :)
Thanks for your co-operation .
Cheers,
Balaji
15 years, 10 months
Using the xmlbeats script for other Wikis
by Murray McAllister
Hai!
Is it possible to use the
"release-notes-devel/release-notes/xmlbeats/beatconvert" and
"release-notes-devel/release-notes/xmlbeats/xmlbeats" scripts on other
Wikis, say, to convert from Wiki to DocBook when such a Wiki does not
already have these features?
Thanks for any advice,
Murray.
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15 years, 10 months
FDSCo Meeting 2008-06-04 IRC log
by Eric Christensen
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15:02 -!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Docs
meeting -- 4 June 2008, 1900 UTC
15:02 * couf here
15:03 * stickster here
15:04 * quaid is here
15:04 < quaid> distraction jackson
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15:05 * Sparks is here
15:06 < quaid> ok then
15:06 * Sparks just got home
15:06 -!- dwmw2 is now known as dwmw2_gone
15:06 * stickster looks for his relnotes howto
15:07 < quaid> <meeting>
15:07 < quaid>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agen...
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15:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo stuff --
Follow-up on leadership discussion
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00126.html
15:08 < stickster> Holy moley, look at that wiki scream
15:08 * jsmith-teaching is half-watching while teaching
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15:09 < quaid> so, any questions ??
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15:10 < stickster> streamlining == good for this subproject.
15:10 < Sparks> +1
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15:12 < stickster> quaid: So is this really a proposal of "all for one,
one for all"
15:12 < stickster> ?
15:12 < quaid> um, what?
15:12 < quaid> three musketeers?
15:12 < stickster> heh
15:12 < stickster> Maybe eighteen musketeers if we're lucky!
15:12 < quaid> ok,sure
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15:12 < couf> +1 to the proposal
15:14 < couf> it feels like this is how it should happen, not to strict
but still have something in place
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15:18 < stickster> Sorry, phone call took me away, back now.
15:18 * quaid has a visitor passing through, sorry
15:18 < quaid> ok, so no discussion on that topic is OK
15:18 < stickster> yeah, I think no one has a problem with it.
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15:18 < quaid> since some pplweren't here last week, just making sure we
gave room to discuss
15:20 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo is a
meetin' -- release notes 9.0.2-1
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00030.html
15:20 < stickster> So mdious did the POT fixin' and push for this
15:20 < quaid> ok
15:20 < quaid> so task is done?
15:20 < quaid> anything more on that topic?
15:21 < stickster> Not quite
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15:21 < couf> just needs rpm creation and publishing
15:21 < stickster> Needs an SRPM rolled and imported to package CVS
15:21 < stickster> and a build and push
15:21 < stickster> I can do that, but as part of the process I want to
document what I'm doing and put that in a wiki page
15:21 < stickster> Because someone else will be doing it in Fedora 10.
15:22 < stickster> I thought I had done at least half of it already, but
I can't seem to find the page on the current wiki :-\
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15:24 < couf> I can handle publishing to docs.fp.o
15:24 < stickster> Thanks couf
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15:24 < couf> move on?
15:26 < stickster> I'm ok with that... this is "in progress"
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15:27 -!- couf changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo is a
meetin' -- Wiki gardening redux
15:27 < quaid> thx
15:27 * quaid sends his visitor off :)
15:28 < quaid> btw, we have some new contributors who have been really
helping clean up and progress the new wiki
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15:28 < quaid> so far I've definitely noticed cyberpear_, anubis, and
kylev doing a lot
15:28 < couf> awesome
15:29 < quaid> also some Ambassadors have been cleaning up those pages, etc.
15:29 < stickster> I saw cyberpear come by here, I thought
15:29 < quaid> I don't think this is coincidentaly
15:29 < quaid> popularity and ease of mediawiki does help
15:29 < Sparks> +1
15:29 < quaid> and smokin' speed!
15:29 < stickster> Hopefully the new wiki's much faster response time
and consistent "up-ness" is a big help
15:29 < stickster> ha, *jinx
15:29 < stickster> And mmcgrath tells me this isn't the end state, it's
just "good enough" for right now -- there will be additional tuning later.
15:29 < quaid> word
15:30 < stickster> All hail Fedora Infrastructure!!!
15:31 < quaid> so, we continued to discuss Namespaces and Categories
after last week's meeting
15:31 < quaid> and so far, Namespaces are good for e.g. QA: with 1000
test plans
15:31 < quaid> when you want to separate content from the default search
space, basically.
15:31 < quaid> cats on the other hand our near and dear friends
15:31 < couf> I've been wondering if this could be a solution for
wiki-L10N as well
15:31 < quaid> with all docs on the flat namespace wiki/Doc_Name
15:31 < couf> having <lang>:....
15:31 < quaid> couf: "they say" the solution is in parallel wiki
installs,apparently
15:31 < quaid> couf: but I have seen that proposed in the
meta.mediawiki.org pages about namespace, as a l10n solution
15:31 < couf> yeah, I know, but as a current solution
15:31 < couf> really?
15:33 < stickster> Hm, weird
15:33 < quaid>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Prefixes_in_various_languages
15:33 < quaid> sorry, not that one
15:33 < quaid>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace#Custom_namespaces
15:33 < quaid> that one
15:34 < couf> ah interesting
15:34 < quaid> oh, weird, I read that wrong i guess
15:35 < quaid> Sparks: did you have any follow-up from last week on
categories, orphan pages, or better structure for
15:35 < quaid> DocsProject?
15:35 < quaid> and my general question ...
15:35 < quaid> where should we get all this naming and categorizing
written down?
15:35 < quaid> Help:
15:35 < quaid> Help:Editing or a ne wpage?
15:35 < stickster> hm.
15:35 < Sparks> Hmmm
15:36 < Sparks> I was just thinking about that...
15:36 < couf> Help:WikiStructure
15:36 < Sparks> What if...
15:36 < couf> linked from Help:Editing
15:37 < Sparks> we have multiple "standardized" categories and provide
links to those cats from the DocsProject page
15:37 < Sparks> The cats I would use would be "Documentation" "Draft
Documentation"
15:37 < Sparks> Any others?
15:37 < Sparks> Of course any large guide could have a cat to itself to
link all the pages together
15:37 < Sparks> I think it should be off a Help: page and linked from
the Docs Project page
15:38 < Sparks> eof
15:39 < quaid> +1
15:39 < quaid> I actually put something in
[[Category:DocumentationDraft]] this week :)
15:39 < Sparks> That works too
15:39 < quaid> the Bodhi_Guide iirc
15:39 < Sparks> as long as it makes sense to the end user
15:39 < quaid> hmm
15:39 < quaid> not too late to fix that
15:39 < Sparks> True
15:39 < quaid> any vote on the order here?
15:39 < quaid> yours does read more naturally
15:39 < Sparks> We can do that in MW now...
15:41 < Sparks> And then there is the orphan pages... but I'll let
everyone comment before we move on
15:41 < quaid> any opinions?
15:42 < Sparks> any other categories that would be needed?
15:43 < couf> are we talking in general for the whole wiki, or just for
docs?
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15:43 < Sparks> couf: Just for docs
15:43 < Sparks> couf: There will probably be hundreds of cats wiki wide
15:43 < couf> okay, so we'll use these 3 them: DocsProject Documentation
and Draft Documentation
15:43 < couf> ?
15:43 < quaid> yeah
15:43 < quaid> Draft_Documentation
15:43 < quaid> cool
15:43 < Sparks> Unless anyone can think of any others that would be needed
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15:44 < quaid> not now, we'll grow as we go if needed
15:45 < couf> we should put a link to Documenation from docs.fp.o
15:45 < quaid> so oprhans ...
15:45 < quaid> couf: +1
15:45 < Sparks> quaid: the cats can have spaces...
15:45 < quaid> Sparks: aye +1 spaces
15:45 < Sparks> orphans
15:45 < Sparks> Hmmm...
15:45 < Sparks> So that is a tricky subject.
15:45 < Sparks> I think everything in the wiki should be linked to a
higher project.
15:45 < quaid> ok, I moved it to Category:Draft Documentation
15:45 < Sparks> But, as you stated last week, what if you have a page
that is linked to outside the wiki
15:45 < quaid> right, it can only be one of the ways to value a page
15:46 * quaid was denied his move :(
15:47 < quaid> can't move a Special: namespace item or something
15:47 < Sparks> Hmmm
15:47 < Sparks> So, I'm going to try to look at the orphans this
afternoon and see if some of them can be moved to a better home.
15:49 < quaid> sure, I bet we can do a lot with that
15:49 < Sparks> We might be missing something and not know it.
15:49 < Sparks> I know I found quite a bit of information that I'd like
to pull into the security guide
15:49 < quaid> ok
15:50 < quaid> so, we're going to put *all* this wiki structure stuff in
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15:50 < quaid> Help:WikiStructure
15:51 < quaid> ?
15:51 < quaid> link it from Help:Editing
15:51 < quaid> and maybe announce that a bit
15:51 < quaid> anyone feel like they can take on the first stab at
Help:WikiStructure?
15:51 -!- jsmith is now known as jsmith-away
15:51 * Sparks can start on it
15:51 < quaid> that would be great, thx
15:51 * quaid loves how you can watch a page that doesn't exist yet
15:51 < Sparks> Ha!
15:51 < quaid> any more on this topic?
15:53 < quaid> ok then
15:53 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo --
content to handle
15:53 < quaid> so last week Sparks said the Security Guide is ready to
publish
15:53 < Sparks> ?
15:53 < quaid> sorry, did I get that wrong?
15:53 < Sparks> Ummm... no... but....
15:53 < quaid> "part of it"
15:53 < Sparks> A few weeks ago I thought we diminished the use of the
CVS over keeping things in the wiki.
15:55 < Sparks> Is that still true or are we going to be pushing stuff
over to CVS?
15:55 < quaid> well, we decided two things:L
15:55 < quaid> 1. If it is ready for DocBook XML, it needs a
fedorahosted.org space
15:55 < quaid> 2. It is OK to have some content that doesn't leave the
wiki, or stays in the wiki and leaves later
15:55 < quaid> because if we could just figure out how to l10n the wiki
with Transifex, we remove a large reason for XML
15:55 < quaid> my vote on the SEc Guide is
15:55 < quaid> it could go to XML, but that's a lot of work for
something that we aren't necc. going to invite translations to since it
is going to evovle rapidly
15:55 < quaid> so why not have it in the wiki now, grow it, and see
where it is as we get to F10
15:57 < couf> +1
15:57 < Sparks> +1
15:57 < quaid> maybe plan on having a full-guide alpha release with F10
Alpha
15:57 < quaid> ok, now how that looks, with draft and non-draft content ...
15:57 < quaid> maybe we have a {{draft}} template at the top of all
draft pages
15:57 < quaid> and not worry about it, because it will have some use as
we proceed.
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15:59 < Sparks> I think we already do
15:59 < Sparks> I got a change on one of my pages that looked like that
15:59 < quaid> yep
15:59 < quaid> ok, we're out of time!
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15:59 * spevack boots quaid :)
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