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23 Aug '08

Unless my proxy is playing tricks on me, which it has been known to do, when I tried to view the latest FDSCo meeting minutes at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20080806, I was prompted to log in. Can we fix this so that anyone can view the FDSCo meeting minutes? Thanks... John Babich Fedora Project Volunteer

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-08-20 Summary
by Karsten Wade 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Remove this line, then fill in date above along with other details below Attendees: ----------- quaid ke4qqq kishan Summary: --------- 1. Beta one sheet must be ready by 01 September https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Beta/ReleaseNotes HELP -- someone in Docs to write the Beta release announcement HELP -- tell everyone you know :) that the Beta relnotes needs their content * Blog posts * IRC/f2f * mailing lists Beta gets higher attention levels * What do you want tested? * What works? * What is broken? * How to work around stuff * etc. Some pointers: http://iquaid.org/2008/07/21/lets-talk-about-release-notes-shall-we/ 2. Then we worked on the summary and tasks from last week Dave (ke4qqq) worked on Help:Wiki_structure. Karsten (quaid) worked on tasks, summaries, and IRC logs.

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-08-20 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Remove this line, then fill in date above and paste IRC log here In wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20080820 12:02 < quaid> <meeting role="off-channel_start"> 12:03 * ke4qqq is here 12:03 < quaid> moi aussi 12:04 * ke4qqq introduces kishan 12:04 < ke4qqq> say hi kishan 12:06 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agend… 12:06 < zodbot> <http://tinyurl.com/6e4vhe> (at fedoraproject.org) 12:06 * quaid fixes the date on there :) 12:06 -!- MegaCoder [n=MegaCode(a)apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp] has left #fedora-docs [] 12:08 < quaid> ok, so ... 12:08 < quaid> actually, maybe we want to hit the easy thing first 12:08 < quaid> the beta notes 12:08 < kishan> hello... 12:09 -!- LinuxParasite [n=worrallm(a)adsl-77-86-97-170.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #fedora-docs 12:09 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Beta/ReleaseNotes 12:09 < zodbot> <http://tinyurl.com/6q77rt> (at fedoraproject.org) 12:09 < quaid> tasks from there are: 12:09 < quaid> 1. draft a Beta release announcement (anyone in Docs) 12:10 < quaid> 2. make sure that the Beta one-sheet is getting even *more* love from developers, packagers, artists, etc. 12:10 * quaid looks for current due date 12:10 < quaid> 02 Sep 12:10 -!- rwmjones [n=rwmjones(a)87-127-66-208.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #fedora-docs 12:10 < quaid> is the Beta release currently 12:11 < quaid> so that means we want it ready by 01 Sep at the latest 12:11 < quaid> ~15 days 12:12 * ke4qqq is behind on his beat 12:12 < quaid> Action: Everyone -- talk about the Beta one-sheet to other's in the project, esp. beats you are writing 12:12 < quaid> -- blog posts 12:12 < quaid> -- email to lists 12:12 < quaid> -- IRC/f2f 12:12 < ke4qqq> what's the one sheet?? sorry for the ignorance... 12:12 < quaid> ke4qqq: there is an explanation somewhere, but the short of it is 12:13 < quaid> Alpha and Beta release notes are a one-page on the wiki 12:13 < quaid> we used to do a full XML and trans, and it was really wasted time 12:13 < quaid> our first Beta => XML is for RC1 12:13 < quaid> which then includes time for trans, so the trans gets an RC treatment 12:14 < ke4qqq> ahhh ok - so one sheet is english only? - what are we supposed to talk up? 12:14 < quaid> that people need to add their stuff to that page 12:14 < quaid> what do they want tested? 12:14 < quaid> what is working? what isn't? 12:14 < quaid> etc. 12:14 < ke4qqq> ahhh ok 12:15 < quaid> http://iquaid.org/2008/07/21/lets-talk-about-release-notes-shall-we/ 12:15 < zodbot> <http://tinyurl.com/58fh9w> (at iquaid.org) 12:15 < quaid> that's a fair explanation 12:16 < quaid> any other questions? or thoughts on this topic? 12:16 < ke4qqq> none from me 12:19 < quaid> ok then! 12:19 -!- LinuxParasite [n=worrallm(a)adsl-77-86-97-170.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:19 < quaid> looks like #fedora-meeting is open 12:19 < quaid> let's move the next topic over there 12:20 < quaid> </meeting role="jump-channel"> 12:20 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Documentation : catching up on past weeks meeting summary and tasks 12:21 < quaid> Catch up on minutes/summary from previous weeks 12:21 < quaid> * What's going on in the world? * Are all tasks written down? 12:21 -!- John5342_Away is now known as John5342 12:22 < quaid> so I'm looking over the previous few weeks of meetings .. 12:26 < quaid> ok, so it's just last week's missing 12:26 < quaid> what I'm going to do now is: 12:26 < quaid> leave the channel open for discussion 12:26 < quaid> while I post the IRC log and review it for tasks 12:26 < quaid> which was primarily talking about wiki naming 12:27 * ke4qqq wonders if wiki naming as ever codified based on those decisions 12:27 < ke4qqq> as in on the wiki 12:28 < quaid> it wasn't :) 12:28 < quaid> but it's not far 12:28 < quaid> the Help:Wiki_structure page just needs clearing 12:28 < quaid> ke4qqq: do you want to hit that page and see if you can get it to sync with last week's decision? 12:29 < ke4qqq> sure I can do that 12:31 -!- LetoTo [n=paul(a)bofh.xelerance.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:32 -!- LetoTo [n=paul(a)bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:33 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui(a)cro34-2-82-226-153-125.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:33 -!- llaumgui [n=llaumgui(a)cro34-2-82-226-153-125.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:36 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20080813 12:36 < zodbot> <http://tinyurl.com/6g7mzh> (at fedoraproject.org) 12:38 < quaid> oops, I didn't add in the bottom on that 12:38 * quaid re-does 12:40 -!- j-rod [n=jarod@nat/redhat/x-6c8a743783ae96f0] has left #fedora-meeting ["I give up!"] 12:41 < quaid> ok, that's complete now 12:42 -!- lxo [n=aoliva(a)201.82.112.27] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:43 -!- victorv [n=chatzill@nat/sun/x-3c6d1ac248ed589d] has left #fedora-meeting [] 12:47 -!- red_alert [i=50dbe910(a)gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0b8ba3812b592193] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:49 * ke4qqq sense relatively slow meeting 12:52 < quaid> aye 12:52 < ke4qqq> so on the assumption that this is still open discussion time - 12:52 < ke4qqq> oops 12:52 < quaid> oh, go ahead 12:52 < quaid> sometimes it's slow, sometimes not ... good chance to do some work -in-meeting to catch up 12:52 -!- sdziallas_ [n=sebastia(a)p57A2FC40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:53 < ke4qqq> kishan - one of the things that needs to be done still is confirming the accuracy of the stuff in the UG - ie that the directions are all correct. 12:53 < quaid> ke4qqq: we didn't address Example_wiki_page last week, do you want to talk about it today? 12:53 < ke4qqq> we can do that 12:55 < quaid> I like the concept; we can draw all kinds of use cases from Help:Wiki_editing 12:56 < ke4qqq> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Example_wiki_page - thus far no one has edited the page or changed anything - stickster did comment on my lack of finishing a paragraph 12:57 < ke4qqq> regarding the page naming issue 12:57 -!- fcrippa [n=fcrippa(a)91.80.122.208] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:59 < quaid> ok, I hadn't looked at that page directly before, sry 12:59 < ke4qqq> np 12:59 -!- trausche [n=rat(a)p57AB33DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #fedora-meeting [] 12:59 < quaid> how about a link and explanation at that top that it is not supposed to show _how_ wiki markup works, or what formatting to use 12:59 < quaid> then link to the appropriate Help: pages? 13:00 < quaid> i.e., opposite of where I said to draw examples; don't bother to repeat content, just link to it :) 13:00 * quaid can do that edit, just checking the idea 13:00 < ke4qqq> patches welcome :) but that's a good idea. 13:00 -!- cwickert [n=chris(a)p508FC564.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:01 -!- cmpahar [n=cmpahar(a)83.212.121.40] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:02 -!- jnettlet [n=jnettlet(a)c-76-118-159-90.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:03 * quaid sends last week summary and goes to edit 13:03 < quaid> ok, we can finish here then 13:03 < quaid> last two items: 13:03 < quaid> ACTION: quaid sends email to list to get help with Packaging_guidelines 13:03 < quaid> ACTION: quaid to send summary of today :D 13:03 < quaid> finito! 13:03 < quaid> any more, #fedora-docs as usual 13:03 < quaid> </meeting>

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-08-13 Summary
by Karsten Wade 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

Remove this line, then fill in date above along with other details below Attendees: ----------- * quaid * couf * ke4qqq * stickster * jsmith * wonderer1 Summary: --------- * Resolved Help:Wiki_structure discussion around page naming ** Project pages are in a single-nested structure, then flat inside of that nesting *** FooProject/Bar/Baz => FooProject/Bar_baz **** Not just adding spaces but making pages have a plain language name ** End-user pages have zero nesting *** Docs/User_Guide => User_Guide **** Use Category:Documentation or Category:Draft_Documentation instead of Docs/{Drafts}

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-08-13 IRC log
by Karsten Wade 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

On the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20080813 12:04 < quaid> <meeting> 12:04 < quaid> :) 12:04 < quaid> no, I got lost and never made it to the agenda this morning 12:04 < quaid> it's essentially the same 12:05 < quaid> I was hoping ianweller_afk and G might be here, but I think their thuoghts are well known 12:05 < quaid> about wiki page naming 12:05 < quaid> but I think we need a compromise, I think I know what it has to be, and it is not that great but not terrible. 12:05 < couf> G is on IRC-break 12:05 -!- ke4qqq_ [n=ke4qqq(a)64.89.94.194.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #fedora-docs 12:06 < quaid> couf: as an action to protect his life and sanity? or just AFK? 12:06 < couf> the former 12:06 -!- ke4qqq [n=ke4qqq(a)64.89.94.194.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:06 -!- ke4qqq_ is now known as ke4qqq 12:07 -!- MegaCoder [n=MegaCode(a)apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:07 < quaid> ok 12:07 < quaid> well, like I said, opinion known, etc. :) 12:09 < quaid> ok, so here's my agenda, any additions? 12:09 < quaid> 1. finish wiki page naming 12:09 < quaid> 2. scope package guidelines changes 12:09 < couf> I'm is totally out the loop, but I guess you guys made some good arguments and can make a good decision about it 12:09 < quaid> 3. double-check on release deadlines 12:10 < quaid> 4. ?? 12:10 < quaid> couf: 17 < quaid> overholt: can you refresh me on what came from talks with JPackage and Fedora? 12:10 < quaid> ... 12:10 < quaid> sorry, bad paste 12:10 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help_talk:Wiki_Structure 12:10 < quaid> couf: that's the discussion we had, worth a catch up on 12:11 < quaid> ok, if we have any other agenda items ... 12:11 < couf> quaid: thanks 12:11 < ke4qqq> quaid can we add Example_wiki_page to the agenda 12:12 < quaid> ke4qqq: thx 12:14 -!- denise [n=ddumas(a)66.187.234.199] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:14 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who_Know@fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-docs 12:15 * stickster gets off phone with mgr 12:15 < couf> we can move to -meeting if we want to 12:16 < stickster> yeah, what couf said ^^ 12:17 -!- denise [n=ddumas@nat/redhat/x-cb3ab6211b37d149] has joined #fedora-docs 12:18 < quaid> </meeting action="move_to_-meeting"> 12:18 < quaid> <meeting> 12:18 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Docs : Wiki page naming 12:18 < quaid> ok, figuring couf has caught up a bit 12:18 < quaid> I have to admit I've waffled again :) 12:19 < quaid> because the compromise position is different from the hardline MediaWiki one 12:19 < quaid> so I'm back to this: 12:20 < quaid> 1. Foo_Project/ and Foo_SIG/ effectively separate contributor-focused content, by subject areas, away from end-user content 12:20 -!- kushal [n=kdas@nat/redhat-in/x-2362c7bb61c194de] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:20 < quaid> 2. Help_with_Foo is the best way to do *all* end-user focused content; all such content can be moved from e.g. SELinux/FAQ to FAQ_for_SELinux 12:21 < quaid> 3. Then we move all meeting stuff to Meeting:, archive stuff to Archive:, all without changing any other part of the name 12:21 < quaid> the controversy is around 1. 12:21 < quaid> here are my reasons why I think that has to be the compromise: 12:21 -!- cassmodiah [n=cass(a)p54AB6F63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:21 < quaid> * it's too hard to explain why a massive change of everything to people who *like* stuff organized by Nested/Folders 12:22 < quaid> * People will get the need to have Real_named_documents, due to search, readibility, etc. 12:22 -!- jsmith [n=jsmith(a)72.21.36.138] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:22 * jsmith realizes the time and sneaks in 12:22 < quaid> * We can likely convince people to accept moving names _within_ the Foo_Project/ space 12:22 * quaid pm's the status to jsmith 12:23 < quaid> * Since contributors like, are used to, and don't care much about changing from nesting (all guessed by me without a single poll!), why make them move? 12:24 < quaid> * Don't make the Foo_Project nesting a requirement either way, let people do it themselves 12:24 < quaid> * We give clear guidelines on how to clean up what is there and how to name in the future 12:24 < quaid> <eolist><eof> 12:24 < quaid> thoughts? 12:24 * ke4qqq respectfully disagrees 12:24 < quaid> yay! 12:24 < quaid> go ahead 12:25 < ke4qqq> thinks single guide to doing it is best.....do it nested or plaintext 12:25 < ke4qqq> plaintext is better for searching 12:25 < quaid> the / doesn't get in the way 12:25 < ke4qqq> pain is no worse for doing some renaming as it is to doing all renaming 12:25 < quaid> it's treated by the search tool as a space 12:25 < ke4qqq> does google agree with that though? 12:25 < ke4qqq> does google treat it as a space? 12:26 < quaid> how do we test that? 12:26 < quaid> I mean, I google for "live usb how to" and the right page turns up 12:26 < quaid> and it has zero spaces, it's all nested CamelCase 12:26 < ke4qqq> hmmm what do I know then 12:26 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr@fedora/JSchmitt] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:26 < jsmith> Yes, I think Google does the right thing 12:26 < quaid> ke4qqq: you are right that ambiguity on our part is lame 12:26 < quaid> " 12:26 < quaid> Nest or not, who cares?" 12:26 < quaid> we should guide people to not nest 12:27 -!- kushal [n=kdas@nat/redhat-in/x-2362c7bb61c194de] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27 < quaid> but tell them they can change it or not, it's up to them, just get the damn sub_pages renamed so they can be found 12:27 < ke4qqq> we just need to pick out one 12:27 < quaid> DocsProject 12:27 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who_Know@fedora/sonarguy] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27 < quaid> SIGs/Font was already done by nim-nim 12:28 < quaid> there is a lot of inertia in the nesting, unless we are prepared to do it all ourselves, we are in the position of convincing others of what is best 12:28 < quaid> and there is a lot of legacy 12:29 < jsmith> We can't force others to do the right thing... all we can do is explain correct principles in such a way that they want to do the right thing 12:29 < jsmith> I think it's a matter of explaining why what they're used to is a bad idea 12:29 < ke4qqq> so if searching isn't the reason - why not use nested? 12:30 < jsmith> I thought searching was the reason 12:30 -!- buggbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:30 * ke4qqq is confused 12:30 -!- buggbot [n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:30 < quaid> ke4qqq: the nesting would all have to be single words 12:30 < quaid> this would work though, in terms of MW search: 12:31 < quaid> Foo_Project/Tool_docs/Doc_about_something 12:31 < quaid> it's not natural language, but it would turn up for searches on "Tool" " 12:31 < quaid> "something" and "foo" 12:31 -!- techbugs [n=siddhart(a)122.163.194.65] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:33 < couf> fwiw I'm +1 with quaid's compromise 12:34 < quaid> jsmith: I'm not convinced we can explain the "why" well enough to get a higher rate of compliance, if the "what" involves completely renaming every single page 12:34 < quaid> if the "what" is, "Do this now to make your stuff findable, do this in the future to make it good, here is the best and recommended way," then I think the why goes over better. 12:34 < couf> renaming every page is just overkill and loss of manpower 12:35 < quaid> couf: and if it's really worth it, it will happen for most pages over time anyway 12:35 < couf> true 12:38 < jsmith> quaid: I hate to even ask this out loud, but if we can't explain the "why" well enough, then why are we wasting our time? 12:38 < ke4qqq> has to admit that is a question I was asking myself 12:38 < quaid> now now 12:38 < jsmith> Playing devil's advocate here for a second -- don't get upset at me :-) 12:39 < quaid> two main reasons: 12:39 < quaid> * we need natural language with spaces to get search to be useful 12:39 < quaid> * we need natural language for sane translation 12:39 < quaid> sane(r) trans, anyway 12:39 < jsmith> OK, I'm perfectly happy with those reasons. 12:39 < quaid> i.e., nesting and idioms don't mix well 12:40 < jsmith> But you don't think we can articulate those reasons in such a way that people will want to do the right thing with regards to wiki naming? 12:40 < quaid> so, our "why" covers that but does not fully justify the removing of the single-level of nesting 12:41 * quaid notes search results are a bit funky with Foo_Project all grouped together, but the quality of that is a matter of taste. 12:41 < ke4qqq> those are satisfactory reasons but if they are good enough to remove most nesting why not all. 12:41 < quaid> there are some reasonable arguments in favor of a single-level of nesting 12:42 < quaid> it gets us a sorting of content by contributor interest area without using the more restrictive Namespace: trick in MW 12:42 < quaid> Namespace: moves it outside of the default search 12:42 < quaid> this all stems from having two audiences, IMO 12:43 < quaid> and it being confusing to either audience to find e.g. end-user docs in the contributor search results 12:44 * stickster is assuming all bets are off in the User: namespace 12:45 < quaid> yep 12:46 < quaid> in fact, that's something we do want to specify; use that area at will 12:48 < stickster> Discussion seems to have petered out. 12:48 < stickster> Has a decision been taken then? 12:48 -!- mclasen [n=mclasen@nat/redhat/x-281775b2292f2fd4] has left #fedora-meeting ["There must be some way out of here."] 12:48 < stickster> Is wiki naming put to bed now? 12:49 -!- Keybuk [n=scott(a)quest.netsplit.com] has left #fedora-meeting ["夠荒唐"] 12:49 * ke4qqq didn't see a decision 12:50 < wonderer1> so what are so far the naming conventions? if users did not do their own user. name naming... 12:50 * couf hopes to put it to bed 12:51 * ke4qqq is fine with decision by fiat 12:51 < wonderer1> for me it works fine. just want to know befor I start with orphaned pages and so on... 12:51 < stickster> quaid: Can you summarize the final decision on how we're going to do this? 12:53 < quaid> hmm 12:53 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr(a)p4FDD252C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:53 < quaid> I think it's basically on Help:Wiki_Naming (a name that doesn't quite follow the directions) 12:54 < quaid> I can do a final write up there 12:54 < wonderer1> sounds good 12:54 < quaid> but before I say "this is the decision" 12:54 < quaid> are we in fact decided? 12:54 < quaid> the objections that ke4qqq brings up are the same ones I hear in other places, 12:55 < stickster> Let's make this clear. 12:55 < quaid> so this is what I would like to do: 12:55 < quaid> * Write up a decision to vote up or down on the mailing list 12:55 < quaid> * invite discussion 12:56 * jsmith wonders if he haven't already had enough discussion (how many weeks has this been on the agenda?) 12:56 < stickster> Wait, haven't we had that before? 12:56 * ke4qqq disagrees - we've tried discussion (me once, ian once, and quaid once) and none ensued 12:56 < quaid> * see if we can get a good "why" page from that discussion as a reason behind the "what" in Help:Wiki_structure 12:56 < quaid> hmm 12:56 < jsmith> I say we vote here, now, and then work to get a good "why" page up 12:56 * couf needs to run, sorry folks 12:57 < quaid> fine 12:57 < stickster> couf: Please vote later by email if desired 12:57 < ke4qqq> jsmith: +1 12:57 < couf> stickster: will do 12:57 -!- giarc [i=hidden-u(a)gnat.asiscan.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:57 -!- drago01 [n=linux(a)chello062178124130.3.13.univie.teleweb.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:57 * jsmith would rather get flamed for a quick vote than see this drag on for another month 12:57 < stickster> jsmith: +1 12:58 < quaid> +1 or -1 to: Do we permit _Project and _SIG content to remain under a single nesting? 12:58 < couf> +1 12:58 < stickster> +1 12:58 < jsmith> I have no problem with single nesting personally 12:58 < jsmith> +1 12:58 < wonderer1> +1 12:58 < ke4qqq> +1 12:58 < quaid> I'm +1, fwiw 12:58 < stickster> yay! 12:58 < quaid> ok, then we have ianweller_afk outvoted anyway :) 12:58 < quaid> note: permit, not encourage :) 12:59 < couf> +1 :) 12:59 < stickster> +1 again. 12:59 < quaid> everyone watch that page 12:59 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure 12:59 * couf really runs 12:59 < quaid> and I'll write up the final version 13:00 < quaid> unless someone else feels it is clear to them and wants to do it :) 13:00 * jsmith makes a motion to propose that quaid do it 13:01 * stickster +1's jsmith and then slaps him 13:01 < quaid> time's up anyway 13:01 < quaid> I'll do it 13:01 < quaid> anything more, see you on #fedora-docs 13:01 < quaid> </meeting>

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Virtualization Quick Start Content Update
by Jason 20 Aug '08

20 Aug '08

https://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Virtualization_Quick_Start has been updated as much as my meager knowledge can do. I am humbly requesting some technical and grammar editing so we can make sure it is a sane document. Thanks! -Jason

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Week 34 - Fedora Deployment Guide
by Michael Hideo Smith 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

Last Week: ========== + Content Migrated to fedorahosted svn + Removed "moreinfo=none" + Fixed around 30 broken xrefs + 50% fixed entities + Compiles cleanly with Fedora brand! This Week: ========== + Fix account + Fix remaining entities + Remove crufty images

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moving with Seneca College
by Karsten Wade 17 Aug '08

17 Aug '08

-- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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[Fwd: [Ambassadors] fedora-fr meeting report]
by Paul W. Frields 15 Aug '08

15 Aug '08

-------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Max Spevack <mspevack(a)redhat.com> > Reply-To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com > To: fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com > Subject: [Ambassadors] fedora-fr meeting report > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:23:38 +0200 (CEST) > > I spent a great day on Saturday August 2nd with a large number of our > French contributors, ambassadors, and community leaders. We had a > 12-person meeting/discussion for about 5 hours and then met up with > another 8 folks for dinner. > > In no particular order, here are my notes: [...snip...] > * The Fedora-fr website contains forums (15,000 registered users), a > Mediawiki instance with almost 300 pages of documentation (in which > French is the canonical language), and a French-only planet (which has a > fair amount of cross-pollenation with Planet Fedora). I think it would > be interesting to have some of the Fedora Docs Project guys take a look > at what the French team has built up, and see if there are any quick > wins that we can achieve in a information/toolchain sharing point of > view. This would be worth looking into -- maybe couf can play point on this? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Beta one-sheet
by Paul W. Frields 13 Aug '08

13 Aug '08

James Laska drafted a Beta release notes one-sheet page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Beta/ReleaseNotes This is the page that should be updated with new content for the upcoming Fedora 10 Beta release. As with the Alpha, it is permitted to be more of a "living page" that can note issues even following the actual release time and date. Developers should include information on areas that are important for community testing! The Beta receives much wider notice and use than the Alpha and more thorough testing can lead to a better final release There is currently an area set aside at the end of the notes for known issues and problems. If for some reason it needs to be moved, it will be replaced by links to a similar tracking page. If someone on the team could draft an announcement for fedora-devel-announce and elsewhere, that would be great. I'm currently in "scribble email as fast as possible" mode because of another urgency! :-) Paul

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