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* Docs Project Tasks during FUDCon Results
Quaid talked about the goings on at FUDCon 11. There were teaching
sessions on the wiki and DocBook. Some work was done but more needs to
be done on the wiki work.
* CMS Plans
Options were discussed about the different CMS packages that are
available for us to use. A discussion about using Drupal ensued and
harveybetty was able to give more information on the system as she uses
that system now for other projects. Quaid is going to put a message out
on f-devel-l, fedora-list, and f-art-l to get opinions from other areas
of Fedora. Additional information can be found at
* Release Notes Lead
The Release Notes is one of the biggest projects Docs Project has on its
plate. Right now there is not a lead for the project. We need someone
to help with this project.
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 07:48:11PM -0500, Susan Lauber wrote:
> Greetings all - especially the packaging folks,
> I talked to a few people at FUDCon and the end result is that I seem to be
> the Docs Project lead for the Packaging Guidelines docs.
> I think it will be an exciting task and I hope to learn a lot about the Docs
> Project as well as more about building packages in the process.
Thanks Susan. I think this guide is one of the most important content
pieces for Fedora today and the future; we are nothing if not at least
set of well-built packages.
> I have begun the wiki page renaming for the pages in the (new) Packaging
> namespace by creating a PSV file in
My one suggestion, which we discussed on IRC, was to use lower case
for subsequent words in a title. In other words, [[Titles have a
natural flow]], reserving all-initial caps for [[Really Important
Chapters of Stuff]]. This is from:
> 3. The next step is Categories for the pages. Which may also help with any
> additional renaming. Are there any suggestions or ideas already out there
> before I start making them up - er - examining content for logical category
For the rest of the audience here :), categories are where we get our
information nesting. [[Category:Python packaging guidelines]] can be
applied to >1 pages, creating an instant reference of anything to do
with packaging Python. Categories can be nested in each other, and
across each other, to create organic and intentional pathways for
people to follow.
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 02:20:22PM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote:
> We are looking for a team of people who want to deploy and maintain a
> new CMS for Fedora Docs. It may become the CMS that runs all of
> fedoraproject.org that is not a wiki.
> For more information:
Can someone update the timeline there with new target dates, and a
Plan B? That way the page doesn't look like this is already behind
(and thus disincenting otherwise interested people). The Plan B might
be as simple as "Keep doing things the old, busted way," but there
should be a contingency plan listed regardless.
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
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14:01 < quaid> <meeting id="Docs team">
14:01 * quaid still hoping for zodbot meeting logging :)
14:02 < Sparks> +1
14:02 < quaid> le roll call?
14:02 * Sparks is present
14:02 -!- John5342 [n=john5342@fedora/John5342] has joined #fedora-meeting
14:03 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :
14:03 < quaid> I'm here too
14:03 * quaid makes a sound of crickets chirping
14:04 < quaid> ok then
14:04 < Sparks> Where is everyone?
14:04 < quaid> refering to
14:05 < quaid> dunno
14:05 -!- fozzmoo [n=fozz(a)220.127.116.11] has joined #fedora-meeting
14:06 * laubersm here
14:06 < quaid> since I just did the 'hit their nick thing' we can wait a
14:06 * quaid forgets how useful that is
14:06 -!- jsmith
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14:06 < quaid> I regularly get saved in to a meeting because some kind
soul hit my nick to remind me it was time :)
14:06 * ke4qqq is here
14:06 * jsmith stumbles in, but is on two phone calls at the moment,
and won't be much use in the meeting
14:06 < Sparks> jsmith: That's a neat trick
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14:07 < fozzmoo> heh heh. The Asterisk guy is on 2 phone calls. har har.
14:07 < quaid> heh
14:07 < quaid> he needs an Asterisk Turing plugin
14:07 < jsmith> fozzmoo: It would be funnier if it weren't true :-(
14:07 < quaid> refering to
14:08 < quaid> from a hackfest point of view, results were mixed
14:08 * dbewley partially here
14:08 < quaid> * we didn't get the beats renamed
14:08 < quaid> * I should have known Paul wouldn't be available since he
was /running the conference/ and I didn't do too much on process by myself
14:08 < quaid> * we still need pages renamed, but could have tho' didn't
categorize the pages
14:09 < quaid> * jsmith was looking a bit on moving the needle on the IG
conversion/how to convert to Publican stuff
14:09 < quaid> * we taught about the wiki
14:09 < quaid> * docbook was taught, yay
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14:09 < quaid> * probably a dozen people were positively influenced
about the wiki, but we wanted the whole room to bow to our methods
14:10 < quaid> that's all I had
14:10 < ke4qqq> do we have owners for the various groups of pages?
14:10 < jsmith> quaid: FWIW, stickster and I took a stab at the Publican
stuff, but ran into problems with stickster's XSL transform
14:11 < stickster> jsmith: I think I knocked most of those out
14:11 < stickster> The newest tarball should hopefully work better
14:11 < laubersm> I got nudged into taking lead on Packaging docs
14:11 < jsmith> stickster: Cool... I'll give it a shot when I get a free
14:11 < stickster>
14:12 < quaid> ke4qqq: we have owners or people working on all BUT the
14:12 < quaid> laubersm++
14:12 < ke4qqq> wow laubersm!!!!
14:13 -!- jsmith is now known as jsmith-busy
14:13 < quaid> yeah, I think the Packaging Guide is a great fit --
laubersm has the skills to learn it on the job :), and it's probably the
thing we can be working on, in terms of making Fedorans'
14:13 < jsmith-busy> Amen!
14:13 < laubersm> I don't think the renaming and adding catagories will
be hard... then we;ll go from there
14:13 * quaid expects others will pitch in esp. as they see momentum
14:14 < quaid> laubersm: go ahead and talk too much about it on
fedora-docs-list; ask lots of questions on fedora-wiki(a)lists.fp.org; etc.
14:14 < laubersm> will do
14:15 < ke4qqq> yeah I finished all of the Ambassador renaming during
fudcon - I'd guess maybe an hour per 100 pages if you know the content.
14:15 < Sparks> +1
14:16 < quaid> ke4qqq: sweet, yeah, I saw the PSV file
14:16 < quaid> g / G_work is probably still asleep ...
14:17 < quaid> we maybe need to enable ianweller to use wikibot more or
14:17 < quaid> I'd like to see us push those naming changes through asap.
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14:18 < Sparks> quaid: How long does it take wikibot to do all the work?
14:18 < quaid> dunno, it should be pretty fast
14:18 < quaid> it's making changes in the database perhaps?
14:18 < quaid> yeah, I think so; it's not scraping and inputing via the
usual web interface.
14:18 < Sparks> heck, give him the keys and let him go nuts
14:19 < quaid> +1
14:19 < quaid> so, we'll update the main task list from the fudcon
did/didn't list when we get there
14:19 < Sparks> Can we create a new position? Like Wiki Czar?
14:19 < ke4qqq> Sparks: isn't that ian?
14:19 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :
14:19 < Sparks> ke4qqq: My point exactly. :)
14:19 < quaid> Sparks: basically, yes, I think we did that a while ago
14:20 < Sparks> quaid: Cool
14:20 < quaid> a few months, not sure if it was Czar, but I like that
14:20 < quaid> hope it wouldn't get any any czarists angry :)
14:20 < quaid> so, did everyone read my email on CMS to f-docs-l?
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14:21 < Sparks> I did.
14:21 < laubersm> I did
14:21 * jsmith-busy read it, threw his hands in the air, and did
14:21 < ke4qqq> yes, and I am curious as to what response you have had.
14:21 < quaid> laubersm: cheat, you proofread it for me before I sent it!
14:21 * laubersm laughs
14:21 < quaid> ke4qqq: I haven't looked outside of the list yet, but
p'raps it's time to send to the other lists
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14:22 * ke4qqq thought you already sent it to -devel
14:22 < quaid> nothing from the wider community; Max and Greg thought it
was a good plan.
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14:22 < quaid> ke4qqq: oops, not yet
14:22 < quaid> why stall? not sure ...
14:22 < Sparks> quaid: Is there a wiki page for the CMS discussion?
14:22 < quaid> Sparks: yeah ...
14:22 < quaid>
14:22 * ke4qqq thinks we should send it to -devel and -art and maybe
even just the fedora list
14:23 < laubersm> quaid: send it out
14:23 < quaid> ke4qqq: +1 ... hadn't thought about art though
14:23 < quaid> definitely -list and -devel-list
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14:25 < Sparks> quaid: We should build profiles on each option that has
been proposed and show pros and cons.
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14:26 < quaid> Sparks: ah, see ...
14:26 < Sparks> quaid: Maybe we can narrow the list down based on
specific things we have to have or can't live with.
14:26 < Sparks> quaid: Plus the ability of someone to maintain it upstream.
14:26 -!- iarlyy [n=iarly(a)mail.libertynet.com.br] has left
14:26 < ke4qqq> the problem we identified at FUDcon is that virtually
all of the options meet most if not all of the needs.
14:26 < Sparks> ke4qqq: That's the kind of problem I like!
14:26 < quaid> right, and the process of going beyond marketing materials
14:26 < quaid> is a huge vetting operation.
14:27 < quaid> Sparks: except then nothing stands out as a clear winner
14:27 < Sparks> quaid: True
14:27 < ke4qqq> and really, we are looking for owners.
14:27 < quaid> we also have the problem that anything we bring to
Infrastructure is going to be new to them; they are already well taxed
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14:27 < quaid> ke4qqq: +1
14:28 < Sparks> So we would need a buy in from them as well.
14:28 < Sparks> We don't want something that is going to add so much
14:28 < quaid> Sparks: that was the brainwave at FUDCon -- we aren't
looking for a CMS as much as owners for a CMS, who are preferably
passionate about it
14:28 < quaid> e.g. note Basil's response on list
14:28 < ke4qqq> Sparks: Mike & Co. seem pretty open to just about
anything within reason.
14:28 < jsmith-busy> quaid: I talked to mmcgrath about that, and he
didn't seem *that* concerned about bringing in a new CMS
14:29 < Sparks> Have we drawn a line in the sand to say "no more" than
the seven on the list now?
14:29 < quaid> jsmith-busy: I know, but then I talked with Toshio ...
14:29 < ke4qqq> jsmith-busy: but on Sunday he did point out that the
wiki migration was really successful because it had an owner (Ian)
14:30 < quaid> right, and the wiki is the reference model
14:30 < quaid> when we announced that we were going to move to a
specific wiki solution, the person passionate about it showed up.
14:30 < jsmith-busy> Sparks: No, it may be premature to draw that line
(as much as I hate to admit it)
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14:30 < Sparks> jsmith-busy: Well, that's a problem in itself.
14:30 < quaid> and if we just said "Drupal" that would probably happen,
but then we had the thought ... why not just approach this through the
passion/interest as a primary scope item.
14:30 < Sparks> jsmith-busy: As you already know
14:30 * danielsmw waves hello
14:31 < quaid> hey danielsmw
14:31 * jsmith-busy has to run
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14:31 < quaid> we are catching up on CMS; ref. email sent to f-docs-l
14:31 < danielsmw> k
14:32 < quaid>
for the IRC records :)
14:33 -!- harveybetty [n=harvey(a)firewall.eccnet.com] has joined
14:33 < quaid> Sparks: one thing I appreciated about Basil's email was
that he narrowed it to "PHP-based" but was willing to consider outside
expertise; that leaves room for e.g. Joomla experts to
show up and he can join that team.
14:33 < quaid> hey harveybetty
14:33 < ke4qqq> right, but the MW decision was pushed based on the
14:33 < quaid> we are catching up on CMS; ref. email sent to f-docs-l
14:33 < harveybetty> Hi there - I was in the wrong channel
14:33 < quaid> ke4qqq: right, and we have no clear cms winner as we did
14:33 < quaid> plus that was some months of work on mmcgrath's part; he
vetted the solutions, ran scripts, etc.
14:33 < quaid> the part of this that we could do but haven't nor really
want to :)
14:34 < quaid> harveybetty: yeah, we got our meeting time secured; the
other group moved to a different day
14:34 < harveybetty> Is there a list of CMS's that are being considered?
14:35 < danielsmw> harveybetty: this was the original page on the topic
that lists some on the bottom:
14:35 < danielsmw> although i don't know what's been discussed here
14:35 < quaid> we are talkinga bout
14:36 < quaid> the idea of having a team self-identify as being willing
14:36 < quaid> to deploy and maintain
14:36 < quaid> and they choose their own solution
14:36 < danielsmw> ooh.
14:36 < quaid> i.e., email to fedora-list gets some Drupal people interested
14:36 < quaid> so it's Drupal, they run it, and we work with them.
14:37 < quaid> otherwise we are in a deep rabbit hole looking at 100+
solutions that nearly all fit our needs, without any technical
contributors to fix the
gaps, and still nothing deployed with no one to deploy it :)
14:38 < harveybetty> Drupal is a nice solution. There is an XML module
that fits nicely. I have run into a problem when trying to install
because the search doesn't understand XML and
causes errors. I am investigating integrating SOLR as the search engine.
14:38 < quaid> ok, so I'm sending email to f-devel-l and fedora-list and
14:39 < quaid> harveybetty: honestly, considering how many Drupalheads I
know of, I'd bet that one has a clear run for the lead; if you are
being part of a team that deploys/maintains, that is even
14:39 < quaid> we haven't heard of any DocBook module other than that one
14:39 * quaid ready to move on to the next agenda item
14:39 < quaid> anything more here?
14:40 < ke4qqq> nothing - but I'd like to ask a bunch of questions of
harveybetty at some point regarding drupal
14:40 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Maybe we should have a separate session after
14:40 < harveybetty> Be glad too. It is a generic XML module and you
can plug Docbook in.
14:40 * danielsmw agrees
14:40 < Sparks> ke4qqq: I have questions as well
14:41 < quaid> ok, maybe on #fedora-docs, start anytime IMO
14:41 < harveybetty> I can be available later on #fedora-docs.
14:41 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg ::
Release notes lead ...
14:41 < quaid> this remains our only un-led guide
14:42 < quaid> other than wider recruiting ...
14:42 < quaid> any other thoughts on that one?
14:42 * quaid notes that it is in fact usually much easier on the
writing and much harder on the wrangling of cats than other content
14:42 < Sparks> This is probably one of our biggest project that gets
the most attention.
14:43 < quaid> yeah, I think it's unlikely we'll just drop it
14:43 < quaid> despite whatever stickster and I have said :)
14:44 < quaid> so it might be worth a wider recruiting effort?
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14:44 < stickster> quaid: How many wider recruiting efforts have we had
at this point, do you think?
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14:44 * ke4qqq wonders if laubersm can be nudged more?
14:44 * Sparks warms up the pokers
14:44 * laubersm runs fast
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14:46 < Sparks> laubersm: I'm sure you'll have support if you do take
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14:46 < quaid> stickster: not that much outside of my occasional pleas
14:46 < Sparks> laubersm: Just need someone to "manage" its development.
14:46 < laubersm> sparks: I already have a project
14:46 < Sparks> :)
14:46 < ke4qqq> there's been the mailing list posts as well
14:46 < quaid> yeah, that's my concern, we don't want to overload those
who are already taking on assignments
14:47 < quaid> stickster: but with one thing to recruit for, maybe that
14:47 < ke4qqq> so here is my concern.....
14:47 * quaid listens
14:47 < ke4qqq> you are essentially talking about taking a person from 0
- - to responsible for what is arguably the most important document we
least in terms of # of readers.
14:49 < quaid> ke4qqq: honestly, I'm going to be there all the way alongside
14:49 < quaid> but that is a good point
14:49 < Sparks> quaid: How long does it take to put all the changes in?
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14:49 < quaid> Sparks: ideally one watches the wiki along the way and
makes it easier
14:49 < ke4qqq> that sounds scary......even though there is handholding
14:49 < quaid> true
14:50 < quaid> maybe I could ask for "interns" to work directly with me
for the release
14:50 < quaid> with the idea that one of them will step-up to lead for
the F12 release.
14:50 < ke4qqq> why not target the beat writers for F10?
14:51 < ke4qqq> esp the non-new feature writers
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14:51 < quaid> ke4qqq: as in, direct asking if they want to lead?
14:51 < ke4qqq> yes
14:52 < quaid> that's not a bad idea in fact :)
14:52 * quaid makes himself a list
14:52 < quaid> so ...
14:52 < ke4qqq> that's a 'promotion'....lol
14:52 < quaid> 1. Ask existing beat writers from F10
14:52 -!- iarlyy [n=iarlyy(a)mail.libertynet.com.br] has joined
14:52 < quaid> 2. If no bites, maybe recruit ass't editors who get
promoted in the future.
14:52 < quaid> 3. If no go there, decide if we are going to do the guide
anyway or not
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14:53 * ke4qqq thinks FESCo will fire us if we don't.....besides that
gets more rave reviews.... - perhaps we drop another document and
refocus on that.
14:53 * ke4qqq shrugs
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14:53 < Sparks> I see the Docs Project working on two kinds of projects:
14:54 < Sparks> 1) The projects we are passionate about
14:54 < Sparks> 2) The projects that need to get done for Fedora
14:54 < quaid> well, one can self-volunteer for 2) but you can't really
go asking for that too much.
14:54 < Sparks> While we all like doing the first type of projects we
all need to do the second type.
14:55 * ke4qqq doesn't see many projects that aren't #2, even if the
reason for working on them are #1.
14:56 < Sparks> ke4qqq: true
14:56 * ke4qqq can't get subjects and verbs to agree
14:56 < quaid> right, and the idea is to get #2 done via the #1 method
14:56 < quaid> then it's done better, with more fun, etc.
14:56 < ke4qqq> +1
14:57 < Sparks> +1
14:57 < laubersm> and if there is someone out there passionate about
having release notes.....
14:57 < quaid> :D
14:57 < quaid> well, if we drop the work, they'll sure notice :)
14:57 < ke4qqq> there are lots of people passionate about having
them....just not about writing them.
14:57 < quaid> is anyone available/interested in helping with the
recruting for RN lead?
14:58 * ke4qqq will work on recruiting a new RN lead
14:58 < quaid> ke4qqq: you're on!
14:58 < quaid> thx
14:58 * quaid will update our tasks table with this stuff, too
14:59 < quaid> since we are near closing
14:59 < quaid> how about if we call this here and retire to #fedora-docs?
14:59 < ke4qqq> +1
14:59 < danielsmw> +1
14:59 < quaid> sweet
14:59 * quaid closes in 5
14:59 < quaid> 4
14:59 < quaid> 3
14:59 < quaid> 2
14:59 < quaid> 1
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I didn't like any of the codenames for Fedora 11 but for Fedora 12, I want
to put in the name "Monolith" to honor Arthur C Clarke and Stanley Kubrick!
They among others inspired me to write and think of bold ideas. As far as
a User Manual for F-11, I hope the final result will be in PDF format. I
often write rough drafts of things in RTF or DOC format then put out a final
copy in PDF. If any help is needed for structuring F-11 User Manual or
Start Up, let me know...
Hudson, MA, USA
Welcome to the project Andrew!
Seems you have quite some experience in the documentation area, looking
forward to seeing you around! :-)
Magnus 'magnusg' Glantz
E-mail: mg -at- hacka -dot- net
GPG Key: 0DB53317
tis 2009-01-13 klockan 12:00 -0500 skrev fedora-docs-list-request(a)redhat.com:
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:08:29 +1000
> From: Andrew Ross <anross(a)redhat.com>
> Subject: Self Introduction
> To: Fedora Docs-List <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <496BE98D.2030406(a)redhat.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Hi Everyone,
> Name: Andrew Ross
> Location: Brisbane, Australia
> Profession: Quality Engineer
> Company: Red Hat
> I am currently employed at Red Hat, working in QE. I write documentation
> for internal projects and review documentation from Engineering Content
> Goals: I would like to help out, where I can, with documentation for
> Fedora. Whether this becomes a QA type of role, or a content author role
> is up for debate :P
> * What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past?*
> * I am writing SRS's and user docs for internal Red Hat QE projects as
> well as reviewing docs for external use.
> * Prior to this role, I was a high school teacher, and the designated
> driver for all things computer at my school. This involved documentation
> for "technologically challenged" staff that ranged from email access to
> report card writing. The school was a pilot for the new intranet based
> reporting system, OneSchoo, and I was implementation leader. (a
> euphemism for SLAVE).
> * In 2005 I was volunteered to be the editor (and only contributor) for
> the Queensland Association of Maths Teachers (QAMT) newsletter. However,
> in May of 2006 my first child was born and I did not have the time to
> continue in that role.
> *In 2001 I worked for Computer Science Corp (CSC) in Sydney on a
> helicopter flight sim project - although that was mainly coding, there
> was also some doc editing.
> * What level and type of computer skills do you have?*
> Lol an easy one.
> * I have a B.Science with a comp science major.
> * I am sitting for my RHCT in early February (providing the course is
> not canceled).
> * I get easily excited by technology, and I can be a bit OCD when it
> comes to getting things working.... which is probably why I am a good
> person for QE.
> * What other skills do you have that might be applicable? User interface
> design, other so-called soft skills (people skills), programming, etc.*
> * I am writing documentation using DocBook for internal processes.
> *I have worked for 4 years as a high school teacher, so my people skills
> are good. (aka thick skinned)
> *I can talk to anyone (and often do)...
> * I did the programming major at uni, mainly Java, with some C++ and C.
> Although I will never forget the one semester of Cobol.
> * I programmed commercially in Ada for CSC.
> * In my current role, I will soon be reviewing JBoss docco's, so I am
> brushing up on Java :)
> What makes you an excellent match for the project?*
> * My RH role is documentation validation and writing - so it should be
> an easy transition from RH docs, to Fedora docs :)
> * I am good at explaining things to different end users
> * I enjoy "fact checking", that is, ensuring that the steps listed in a
> publication produce the desired (claimed) results.
> *GPG Details*
> [anross@mithrandir ~]$gpg --fingerprint CF53DC64
> pub 1024D/CF53DC64 2009-01-13 [expires: 2010-01-13]
> Key fingerprint = E2C2 5C4F 0DAD C8F0 78EA 638C 3F8D E60A CF53 DC64
> uid Andrew Ross (Fedora Key) <anross(a)redhat.com>
> sub 2048g/3677BA18 2009-01-13 [expires: 2010-01-13]
> Aside: I loved my hostname until yesterday when I re-read my sys-admins
> hostname... margrathea... and the light finally clicked :)
> That's about all from me for the time being.
> Andrew Ross
> Associate Quality Engineer
> Red Hat Asia Pacific
> Phone: 3514 8331
> E-mail: anross(a)redhat.com
> GPG-KeyID 0xCF53DC64
Name: Andrew Ross
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Profession: Quality Engineer
Company: Red Hat
I am currently employed at Red Hat, working in QE. I write documentation
for internal projects and review documentation from Engineering Content
Goals: I would like to help out, where I can, with documentation for
Fedora. Whether this becomes a QA type of role, or a content author role
is up for debate :P
* What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past?*
* I am writing SRS's and user docs for internal Red Hat QE projects as
well as reviewing docs for external use.
* Prior to this role, I was a high school teacher, and the designated
driver for all things computer at my school. This involved documentation
for "technologically challenged" staff that ranged from email access to
report card writing. The school was a pilot for the new intranet based
reporting system, OneSchoo, and I was implementation leader. (a
euphemism for SLAVE).
* In 2005 I was volunteered to be the editor (and only contributor) for
the Queensland Association of Maths Teachers (QAMT) newsletter. However,
in May of 2006 my first child was born and I did not have the time to
continue in that role.
*In 2001 I worked for Computer Science Corp (CSC) in Sydney on a
helicopter flight sim project - although that was mainly coding, there
was also some doc editing.
* What level and type of computer skills do you have?*
Lol an easy one.
* I have a B.Science with a comp science major.
* I am sitting for my RHCT in early February (providing the course is
* I get easily excited by technology, and I can be a bit OCD when it
comes to getting things working.... which is probably why I am a good
person for QE.
* What other skills do you have that might be applicable? User interface
design, other so-called soft skills (people skills), programming, etc.*
* I am writing documentation using DocBook for internal processes.
*I have worked for 4 years as a high school teacher, so my people skills
are good. (aka thick skinned)
*I can talk to anyone (and often do)...
* I did the programming major at uni, mainly Java, with some C++ and C.
Although I will never forget the one semester of Cobol.
* I programmed commercially in Ada for CSC.
* In my current role, I will soon be reviewing JBoss docco's, so I am
brushing up on Java :)
What makes you an excellent match for the project?*
* My RH role is documentation validation and writing - so it should be
an easy transition from RH docs, to Fedora docs :)
* I am good at explaining things to different end users
* I enjoy "fact checking", that is, ensuring that the steps listed in a
publication produce the desired (claimed) results.
[anross@mithrandir ~]$gpg --fingerprint CF53DC64
pub 1024D/CF53DC64 2009-01-13 [expires: 2010-01-13]
Key fingerprint = E2C2 5C4F 0DAD C8F0 78EA 638C 3F8D E60A CF53 DC64
uid Andrew Ross (Fedora Key) <anross(a)redhat.com>
sub 2048g/3677BA18 2009-01-13 [expires: 2010-01-13]
Aside: I loved my hostname until yesterday when I re-read my sys-admins
hostname... margrathea... and the light finally clicked :)
That's about all from me for the time being.
Associate Quality Engineer
Red Hat Asia Pacific
Phone: 3514 8331
While the wiki covers 90%+ of the content collaboration needs for
Fedora, we continue to need a content management system (CMS) for the
Docs Project. A CMS gives us workflow tools that makes it easy to
turn any contributor in to a publisher, while ensuring the ongoing
quality of the content throughout the lifecycle of a Fedora version.
For more information, read the blog posts linked from here:
We've had a lot of discussions around CMS here at FUDCon, none of
which actually got us closer to a physical choice. Every choice is a
double-edged sword, a phrase which here means, no matter which way we
swing it, it cuts our target and cuts ourselves.
Ultimately, my biggest concern is that any choice have a team of
people who know how to deploy and maintain the solution. Aside from
technical capabilities, this is perhaps the most important criteria to
The solution we are walking away with today is to take the topic to
fedora-devel-list, fedora-list, and the blogs. Tell people:
* We are picking a Docs Project CMS
* We are going to go with whatever CMS that meets the minimum
must-have requirements and has a team willing to step-up and do
the work for the Fedora community.
* The work will happen within the Fedora Infrastructure project in a
semi-isolated environment to minimize contact risk from potentially
* The new team must be at least two to three experienced web system
administrators, with no more than one team member already overly
busy in Infrastructure. (We need to minimize overloading too small
and too busy a group of people.)
How does this sound?
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
Magnus has been making some good changes to the main Join page and
pinged me on IRC about more changes for project pages. IIRC, those
suggestions were to have a standard block at/near the top of _each_
sub-project page for how to contribute to that specific sub-project.
With our wiki ethos, I don't see any reason we cannot just do this for
people, at least in terms of adding the block partially filled out to
What should that look like?
Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener