3rd Draft Ready for Review: Ch. 1: Yum
by Douglas Silas
The 3rd draft of the Yum chapter is ready for review. Formerly, I
had wanted this draft to be the final one, but I ended up making so
many changes across the board based on copious feedback from Seth
Vidal, James Antill, Rahul Kavalapara and others that I'm releasing
this one as the 3rd draft, to be followed shortly thereafter by the
FINAL
I won't list all the changes, but the major ones are:
* TOC changed; new structure
* Yum plugin section much expanded; new additions: yum-security,
yum-plugin-protect-packages
* Yum variables documented
* yum list family-of-commands section rewritten
* many improvements in many other places
Thanks Seth, James and Rahul for all the notes and feedback!
Reviews of this chapter are still very much welcome, though I am no
longer adding content, but mostly correcting the current text.
For details on how to get involved in the Fedora 12 Deployment Guide
update, see the project page (and join the mailing list) at:
https://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide/
--
Douglas Silas
Technical Writer | Red Hat, Inc.
14 years, 6 months
FINAL Draft Ready for Review: Ch. 3: RPM
by Douglas Silas
The FINAL draft of the updated RPM chapter for the Fedora Deployment
Guide is ready for review. No new major additions or enhancements
will be made to the chapter; review feedback and corrections are
welcome, as always.
Changes:
* large warning admonition about using --nodeps in Install and
Uninstall sections
* rpm -q --whatprovides clarified for 64-bit .so libs
* minor fixes in the GPG signature section
* formatting fixes in Additional Resources
* rpmnew now mentioned in addition to rpmsave
* complete review and copy-edit
Review and feedback on this chapter is still welcome.
For details on how to get involved in the Fedora 12 Deployment Guide
update, see the project page (and join the mailing list) at:
https://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide/
--
Douglas Silas
Technical Writer | Red Hat, Inc.
14 years, 6 months
Schedule reminder for 2009-10-12
by John Poelstra
Start End Name
Wed 23-Sep Mon 12-Oct Ongoing build translation review htmls
Wed 30-Sep Tue 20-Oct Solicit Review and Bug Reports for Guides
Mon 12-Oct Mon 12-Oct Translation Deadline: Beta Release Notes (PO
Files complete)
Mon 12-Oct Mon 12-Oct Build and Post release-notes to fedorahosted.org
Tue 13-Oct Tue 13-Oct Build fed-rel-notes.rpm for Beta Release
Wed 14-Oct Wed 14-Oct Beta Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting
Wed 14-Oct Fri 16-Oct Create Beta Announcement
Mon 19-Oct Mon 19-Oct Reminder to Trans that Guides POT files are coming
Tue 20-Oct Tue 20-Oct Beta Release Public Availability
Tue 20-Oct Tue 20-Oct Start One-page Release Notes: Docs & Marketing
Tue 20-Oct Tue 20-Oct Prepare GA Release Notes
Tue 20-Oct Wed 21-Oct Create POT files for All Guides
Tue 20-Oct Tue 27-Oct Create one page Release Notes with Marketing
Mon 26-Oct Mon 26-Oct String Freeze: GA Release Notes
Mon 26-Oct Wed 28-Oct Port diff wiki content publican
p.s. Thank you to the people who emailed me ideas on how to format these
messages better. I'm still working on it.
14 years, 6 months
Re: Docs Meeting 2009-10-08 IRC Log
by Eric Christensen
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00:01:03 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:01:03 Meeting started Thu Oct 8 00:01:03 2009 UTC. The chair is
Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:01:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
00:01:09 #topic Roll Call
00:01:11 * Sparks
00:01:23 * jjmcd is here
00:01:44 * bcotton is here (who is this guy anyway)
00:01:54 And according to my watch, you were within a couple seconds,
probably IRC lag
00:02:04 * danielsmw is here
00:02:27 * Sparks wants to shoot the guy who schedules a meeting in
the middle of an amateur radio contest!
00:02:48 There's always a contest
00:02:50 i wonder who that was
00:02:56 :)
00:03:10 70cm is dead anyway
00:04:40 Okay, let's get started...
00:04:46 #topic Old Business
00:05:10 danielsmw: What the status on the editor for Zikula?
00:05:37 Sparks: i've been working on it for the past hour
00:05:42 :)
00:05:45 Sparks: rpmlint comes out clean now
00:05:53 danielsmw: Very cool!
00:05:55 so I think i may go ahead and put it on bugzilla
00:06:25 Yup.
00:06:30 Excellent.
00:06:48 Let us know if you need any support.
00:06:55 Thanks for packaging it!
00:07:01 Sparks: Will do. I probably will later this evening
00:07:04 No problem1
00:07:54 rudi: I see you changed the license info on the Fedora brand
package for Publican
00:08:14 Yep -- all done
00:08:41 rudi: Excellent
00:08:42 rudi, does that also include the additional localization?
00:08:51 jjmcd -- kinda
00:08:57 ianweller: Did you figure out how to change the license on the wiki?
00:09:02 It includes the feedback file
00:09:08 Sparks: it's in localsettings.php
00:09:10 which is in puppet
00:09:17 ianweller: So you are good to go?
00:09:19 But "Document Conventions" is part of the publican package
00:09:26 not the Fedora brand package.
00:09:35 Sparks: sure i'll work on a patch sometime tonight and test
it somewhere
00:09:37 That seems odd
00:10:08 (I also missed 4 languages in the package I released the
other day, there's a corrected package in Bodhi now that should appear
soon to fix that)
00:10:36 All the langs except Chinese are now building
00:10:48 Well, since "Document Conventions" documents how Publican
renders various XML tags, this doesn't tend to change from brand to
brand.
00:12:03 If someone came up with a very heavily customized brand that
*did* change how those tags were rendered, they could also create a
new "Document Conventions" text to ship with that package
00:12:42 Which would override the one in Common_Content/common
00:13:11 Anyway, I'll see if I can package the extra "Document
Conventions" translations into a new release of Publican 0.44 for us
00:13:33 good deal
00:14:52 Okay...
00:15:01 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:15:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:15:21 Can anyone provide an update?
00:16:36 Well, I know danielsmw will be submitting the editor for
Zikula for review tonight.
00:16:44 Yup.
00:17:13 Anyone else have an update?
00:17:36 Okay, moving on
00:17:42 #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:17:50 * #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:17:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:18:19 kudos to ianweller for his announcement and notoriety
00:18:20 I think ianweller sent out the announcement on Monday.
00:18:29 ianweller: Have you received any feedback?
00:18:34 no
00:18:36 Sparks, showed up in LWN
00:18:41 Cool
00:18:55 i am looking into the wiki crap at the moment if anybody's wondering
00:19:23 Just reach into your bucket of magic pixie dust
00:19:31 I think quaid was working on contacting previous contributors
00:20:27 ianweller: do you have a link for that LWN article?
00:20:45 * ianweller looksies
00:21:02 I think the big thing is going to be #7... Make changes to
the guides. Rebuild all current versions and push them to docs.fp.o
and repos. (All)
00:21:04 http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/
00:21:15 they just copy/pasted my emai
00:21:17 email*
00:21:22 That means that all guides will need to be updated ASAP.
00:21:47 ianweller++
00:22:24 This will be coming up in the near future.
00:23:02 I feel a world of CVS hurt a-comin :)
00:23:02 #action Sparks to send to the list an action request to all
guide leaders for update status of the license
00:23:09 rudi: Yeah
00:23:17 * danielsmw is afk for a bit
00:23:35 Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:23:54 Are we just republishing F11 docs?
00:23:59 Or further back too?
00:24:31 rudi: I think just F11.
00:24:36 +1 !!!!!!
00:24:44 F10 will be EOL soon anyway.
00:24:54 rudi: Unless you want to go back to the FC days. :)
00:25:14 Uh....
00:25:20 NO
00:25:23 :)
00:25:28 IMO if people are going to want to use some of our
information they would probably want to get it from the latest source
and not an old guide.
00:25:52 * Sparks thinks ianweller got off easy during this ordeal
00:26:07 Okay, moving on.
00:26:13 #topic Shared open-source style guide
00:26:21 #link
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
00:26:28 Does anyone have an update on this?
00:26:58 Going...
00:27:01 going...
00:27:07 gone.
00:27:09 Still blocked by the NotEnoughHoursInTheDay bug
00:27:17 rudi: Understood.
00:27:26 Expect some traction after I finish on the Publican 1.0 User Guide :)
00:27:36 rudi: You might want to shoot ke4qqq an email on this as I
think he wanted to work on it but probably has the same bug.
00:27:38 (RSN)
00:27:52 #topic Guide needs?
00:27:58 * ianweller hsa to run
00:28:01 Okay, anyone have any guides that are in need?
00:28:10 Sure -- my blocker is getting the content together that
legal has agreed to release to the wider community
00:28:10 ianweller: Cya
00:28:21 I sent a wuery to qrplinux-L looking for help
00:28:24 no joy
00:28:38 I think I will ping QRP-L, a much bigger list
00:28:39 the RPM guide might need a new owner, i am ashamed to admit
that I havent done squat with it all summer :-/
00:28:40 jjmcd: On the Amateur Radio guide?
00:28:45 affirm
00:28:59 bcotton: same bug as rudi?
00:29:05 jjmcd: Okay. I need to take a stab at some of it.
00:29:31 jjmcd: a combo of that and NotEnoughExperience
00:29:32 rudi: Which guide is this that you are having legal issues on?
00:29:34 Sparks, it would be nice to have something fairly complete for F12
00:29:52 jjmcd: Might be too late in the game
00:30:12 could be
00:30:15 No guide -- I got left behind -- I was still talking about
the Open Source Style Guide
00:30:25 rudi: Ahhh
00:30:26 (and Red Hat's internal Style guidelines)
00:30:35 rudi: understood
00:30:53 bcotton: What do you need? More help or more time or both?
00:31:39 bcotton, you might be able to get some help from Florian.
He asked us to do it, probably could provide content guidance
00:31:57 Sparks: a bit of both. i'm taking a new job later this
month, which should give me a bit more time once i get settled. i'll
also get more experience with git and rpm building, and so forth
00:32:23 bcotton: Put the word out on the f-docs-l and see if there
are any takers.
00:32:59 sparks: to help or to take? i'd be okay with either. i
know the guide is rather dated, but i dont want to let it languish any
more than it needs to
00:33:23 bcotton: Whichever you feel most comfortable. You'd
probably find helpers first, though.
00:33:35 (i'll also try to hang out in the IRC channel more, i've
been fairly absent for a while)
00:33:44 sparks: can do!
00:33:44 Okay
00:33:51 jjmcd and rudi: How goes the RNs?
00:33:58 Well,
00:34:14 I need one small edit before I make the beta rpm
00:34:29 Next move I guess is to update docs.fp.o
00:34:46 jjmcd -- I've been doing that as langs hit 100%
00:34:57 We have been building every night anf the L10N gang has been
working hard
00:35:14 excellent
00:35:23 A couple of thoughts:
00:35:57 1) this time, I think we should only move langs to d.fp.o if
there's been L10N work in the current cycle
00:36:25 2) langs should remain "Drafts" until they hit 100%
00:37:04 I think we're getting to the point where we should present
readers with something a bit more polished
00:37:19 Some of you may have seen the French L10N team take a firm
stand on this recently ;)
00:37:35 Last time there were a lot of langs at 80-90%, shouldn't we
pull the trigger on those? Or should we encourage the translators to
move that last few percent.
00:37:37 I didn't
00:37:43 rudi: Can you elaborate?
00:37:56 (They nuked the entire F12 RN fr.po file because they didn't
want to see mishmashed docs published)
00:38:10 (and don't have plans to translate the F12 RN)
00:38:39 jjmcd -- I think we need to provide the encouragement to
squeeze out that last 10%-20%
00:39:15 rudi: So let me get this straight... There were French
translations and they removed them all?
00:39:26 Sparks -- yes
00:39:35 French translations carried over from previous cycles
00:39:37 rudi: That's not going to sit well with me at all.
00:39:44 For headings and stuff
00:39:52 rudi: Why did they do that?
00:40:00 What was the reasoning?
00:40:21 Sparks -- because they saw us (docs) publishing
half-complete work in the past and didn't want it to happen again
00:40:29 Sounds so terribly French of them
00:40:30 rudi: what was the % translated when they nuked it?
00:40:33 so they aren't going to do them at all?
00:40:49 Sparks -- they have no plans to for F12
00:40:57 I'm not good with that
00:41:43 ryanlerch -- only about 10%–20%
00:41:47 Reused strings.
00:42:08 Okay... anything else?
00:42:19 It does mean, however, that if they decide that they want to
do RN in French for (say) F13, they'll need to rebase the PO to F10
00:42:28 (or start from scratch, as they choose)
00:42:49 That's just nuts
00:43:12 True, but they probably didn't realise that they could just
ask us not to publish the doc ;)
00:43:32 I'll keep my thoughts to myself at the moment.
00:43:34 And, I sympathise with their desire not to publish
half-finished work to the world
00:43:40 Okay, moving on.
00:43:47 Anything else in the guide department?
00:44:17 #topic New guides?
00:44:28 Any new guides to be discussed?
00:44:39 You don't have enough?
00:44:56 I don't have enough time to work on the guides I want to work on!
00:44:58 :)
00:45:06 #topic Other business
00:45:09 Just noting that the Virt Guide is up
00:45:14 Anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
00:45:18 rudi: +1
00:45:21 On the F12 drafts page
00:45:23 Sparks
00:45:24 Check it out! :)
00:45:36 You are aware that the beta meeting moved a week
00:45:46 jjmcd: Yes... Was going to mention that to you... :)
00:46:12 :-) Poelstra sent me a note, I wasn't sure it also went to you
00:46:41 jjmcd: I saw it on the logistics list. Are you on that?
00:46:56 Not sure, don't think so
00:47:05 I already have too many lists
00:47:24 Okay, that list was created as a joint list kinda thing... mutual aid?
00:48:17 Okay, anything else?
00:48:21 Yep, the note from JP was posted to logistics so I guess I am on it
00:48:38 I actually have something.
00:49:11 The first meeting after the F12 release I'll accept
nominations for "leader" of the Docs Project.
00:49:27 We'll give that a week and then we'll have a poll setup to vote.
00:49:47 So be thinking of someone you'd like to see running this thing.
00:50:02 I think it is a good idea to do this every release or two...
00:50:12 I don't know if you can get out of it that easy
00:50:15 just to keep the ideas new and the momentum moving.
00:50:23 jjmcd: One can try.
00:50:36 jjmcd: All I have to do is nominate you. :)
00:50:43 * ryanlerch nominates zodbot, he is always in meetings...
00:50:55 lolz@ryanlerch
00:50:56 ryanlerch: That's true. And he does take really good notes.
00:50:59 * bcotton seconds ryanlerch's nomination
00:51:02 I'll decline, but maybe I should nominate EvilBob, he is
always at these meetngs, too
00:51:31 but here's a question: why can't zodbot be a she?
00:51:43 that is what I get for having a good bouncer
00:51:45 bcotton: zodbot sounds too masculine
00:51:59 what about Sonar_Gal?
00:52:26 Always coming and going
00:52:41 :)
00:52:45 Okay, anything else?
00:53:12 ls
00:53:16 * danielsmw apologizes
00:53:40 rm -Ir danielsmw
00:53:43 better than firefox http://myfavepornsite &
00:54:26 5
00:54:31 4
00:54:35 3
00:54:39 2
00:54:44 1
00:54:49 Thanks everyone for coming!
00:54:56 #endmeeting
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Docs Meeting 2009-10-08 Summary
by Eric Christensen
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#fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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Meeting started by Sparks at 00:01:03 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-10-08/fedora-meeting...
.
Meeting summary
- ---------------
* Roll Call (Sparks, 00:01:09)
* Old Business (Sparks, 00:04:46)
* Status on CMS (Zikula) (Sparks, 00:15:01)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (Sparks,
00:15:15)
* Status on CC license rollout. (Sparks, 00:17:42)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
(Sparks, 00:17:54)
* LINK: http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/ (ianweller, 00:21:04)
* ACTION: Sparks to send to the list an action request to all guide
leaders for update status of the license (Sparks, 00:23:02)
* Shared open-source style guide (Sparks, 00:26:13)
* LINK:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
(Sparks, 00:26:21)
* Guide needs? (Sparks, 00:27:52)
* New guides? (Sparks, 00:44:17)
* Other business (Sparks, 00:45:06)
Meeting ended at 00:54:56 UTC.
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* Sparks to send to the list an action request to all guide leaders for
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* Sparks to send to the list an action request to all guide leaders
for update status of the license
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* rudi (47)
* jjmcd (36)
* ianweller (11)
* danielsmw (11)
* bcotton (9)
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14 years, 6 months
Docs Meeting 2009-10-08 IRC Log
by Eric Christensen
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00:01:03 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:01:03 Meeting started Thu Oct 8 00:01:03 2009 UTC. The chair is
Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:01:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
00:01:09 #topic Roll Call
00:01:11 * Sparks
00:01:23 * jjmcd is here
00:01:44 * bcotton is here (who is this guy anyway)
00:01:54 And according to my watch, you were within a couple seconds,
probably IRC lag
00:02:04 * danielsmw is here
00:02:27 * Sparks wants to shoot the guy who schedules a meeting in
the middle of an amateur radio contest!
00:02:48 There's always a contest
00:02:50 i wonder who that was
00:02:56 :)
00:03:10 70cm is dead anyway
00:04:40 Okay, let's get started...
00:04:46 #topic Old Business
00:05:10 danielsmw: What the status on the editor for Zikula?
00:05:37 Sparks: i've been working on it for the past hour
00:05:42 :)
00:05:45 Sparks: rpmlint comes out clean now
00:05:53 danielsmw: Very cool!
00:05:55 so I think i may go ahead and put it on bugzilla
00:06:25 Yup.
00:06:30 Excellent.
00:06:48 Let us know if you need any support.
00:06:55 Thanks for packaging it!
00:07:01 Sparks: Will do. I probably will later this evening
00:07:04 No problem1
00:07:54 rudi: I see you changed the license info on the Fedora brand
package for Publican
00:08:14 Yep -- all done
00:08:41 rudi: Excellent
00:08:42 rudi, does that also include the additional localization?
00:08:51 jjmcd -- kinda
00:08:57 ianweller: Did you figure out how to change the license on the wiki?
00:09:02 It includes the feedback file
00:09:08 Sparks: it's in localsettings.php
00:09:10 which is in puppet
00:09:17 ianweller: So you are good to go?
00:09:19 But "Document Conventions" is part of the publican package
00:09:26 not the Fedora brand package.
00:09:35 Sparks: sure i'll work on a patch sometime tonight and test
it somewhere
00:09:37 That seems odd
00:10:08 (I also missed 4 languages in the package I released the
other day, there's a corrected package in Bodhi now that should appear
soon to fix that)
00:10:36 All the langs except Chinese are now building
00:10:48 Well, since "Document Conventions" documents how Publican
renders various XML tags, this doesn't tend to change from brand to
brand.
00:12:03 If someone came up with a very heavily customized brand that
*did* change how those tags were rendered, they could also create a
new "Document Conventions" text to ship with that package
00:12:42 Which would override the one in Common_Content/common
00:13:11 Anyway, I'll see if I can package the extra "Document
Conventions" translations into a new release of Publican 0.44 for us
00:13:33 good deal
00:14:52 Okay...
00:15:01 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:15:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:15:21 Can anyone provide an update?
00:16:36 Well, I know danielsmw will be submitting the editor for
Zikula for review tonight.
00:16:44 Yup.
00:17:13 Anyone else have an update?
00:17:36 Okay, moving on
00:17:42 #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:17:50 * #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:17:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:18:19 kudos to ianweller for his announcement and notoriety
00:18:20 I think ianweller sent out the announcement on Monday.
00:18:29 ianweller: Have you received any feedback?
00:18:34 no
00:18:36 Sparks, showed up in LWN
00:18:41 Cool
00:18:55 i am looking into the wiki crap at the moment if anybody's wondering
00:19:23 Just reach into your bucket of magic pixie dust
00:19:31 I think quaid was working on contacting previous contributors
00:20:27 ianweller: do you have a link for that LWN article?
00:20:45 * ianweller looksies
00:21:02 I think the big thing is going to be #7... Make changes to
the guides. Rebuild all current versions and push them to docs.fp.o
and repos. (All)
00:21:04 http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/
00:21:15 they just copy/pasted my emai
00:21:17 email*
00:21:22 That means that all guides will need to be updated ASAP.
00:21:47 ianweller++
00:22:24 This will be coming up in the near future.
00:23:02 I feel a world of CVS hurt a-comin :)
00:23:02 #action Sparks to send to the list an action request to all
guide leaders for update status of the license
00:23:09 rudi: Yeah
00:23:17 * danielsmw is afk for a bit
00:23:35 Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:23:54 Are we just republishing F11 docs?
00:23:59 Or further back too?
00:24:31 rudi: I think just F11.
00:24:36 +1 !!!!!!
00:24:44 F10 will be EOL soon anyway.
00:24:54 rudi: Unless you want to go back to the FC days. :)
00:25:14 Uh....
00:25:20 NO
00:25:23 :)
00:25:28 IMO if people are going to want to use some of our
information they would probably want to get it from the latest source
and not an old guide.
00:25:52 * Sparks thinks ianweller got off easy during this ordeal
00:26:07 Okay, moving on.
00:26:13 #topic Shared open-source style guide
00:26:21 #link
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
00:26:28 Does anyone have an update on this?
00:26:58 Going...
00:27:01 going...
00:27:07 gone.
00:27:09 Still blocked by the NotEnoughHoursInTheDay bug
00:27:17 rudi: Understood.
00:27:26 Expect some traction after I finish on the Publican 1.0 User Guide :)
00:27:36 rudi: You might want to shoot ke4qqq an email on this as I
think he wanted to work on it but probably has the same bug.
00:27:38 (RSN)
00:27:52 #topic Guide needs?
00:27:58 * ianweller hsa to run
00:28:01 Okay, anyone have any guides that are in need?
00:28:10 Sure -- my blocker is getting the content together that
legal has agreed to release to the wider community
00:28:10 ianweller: Cya
00:28:21 I sent a wuery to qrplinux-L looking for help
00:28:24 no joy
00:28:38 I think I will ping QRP-L, a much bigger list
00:28:39 the RPM guide might need a new owner, i am ashamed to admit
that I havent done squat with it all summer :-/
00:28:40 jjmcd: On the Amateur Radio guide?
00:28:45 affirm
00:28:59 bcotton: same bug as rudi?
00:29:05 jjmcd: Okay. I need to take a stab at some of it.
00:29:31 jjmcd: a combo of that and NotEnoughExperience
00:29:32 rudi: Which guide is this that you are having legal issues on?
00:29:34 Sparks, it would be nice to have something fairly complete for F12
00:29:52 jjmcd: Might be too late in the game
00:30:12 could be
00:30:15 No guide -- I got left behind -- I was still talking about
the Open Source Style Guide
00:30:25 rudi: Ahhh
00:30:26 (and Red Hat's internal Style guidelines)
00:30:35 rudi: understood
00:30:53 bcotton: What do you need? More help or more time or both?
00:31:39 bcotton, you might be able to get some help from Florian.
He asked us to do it, probably could provide content guidance
00:31:57 Sparks: a bit of both. i'm taking a new job later this
month, which should give me a bit more time once i get settled. i'll
also get more experience with git and rpm building, and so forth
00:32:23 bcotton: Put the word out on the f-docs-l and see if there
are any takers.
00:32:59 sparks: to help or to take? i'd be okay with either. i
know the guide is rather dated, but i dont want to let it languish any
more than it needs to
00:33:23 bcotton: Whichever you feel most comfortable. You'd
probably find helpers first, though.
00:33:35 (i'll also try to hang out in the IRC channel more, i've
been fairly absent for a while)
00:33:44 sparks: can do!
00:33:44 Okay
00:33:51 jjmcd and rudi: How goes the RNs?
00:33:58 Well,
00:34:14 I need one small edit before I make the beta rpm
00:34:29 Next move I guess is to update docs.fp.o
00:34:46 jjmcd -- I've been doing that as langs hit 100%
00:34:57 We have been building every night anf the L10N gang has been
working hard
00:35:14 excellent
00:35:23 A couple of thoughts:
00:35:57 1) this time, I think we should only move langs to d.fp.o if
there's been L10N work in the current cycle
00:36:25 2) langs should remain "Drafts" until they hit 100%
00:37:04 I think we're getting to the point where we should present
readers with something a bit more polished
00:37:19 Some of you may have seen the French L10N team take a firm
stand on this recently ;)
00:37:35 Last time there were a lot of langs at 80-90%, shouldn't we
pull the trigger on those? Or should we encourage the translators to
move that last few percent.
00:37:37 I didn't
00:37:43 rudi: Can you elaborate?
00:37:56 (They nuked the entire F12 RN fr.po file because they didn't
want to see mishmashed docs published)
00:38:10 (and don't have plans to translate the F12 RN)
00:38:39 jjmcd -- I think we need to provide the encouragement to
squeeze out that last 10%-20%
00:39:15 rudi: So let me get this straight... There were French
translations and they removed them all?
00:39:26 Sparks -- yes
00:39:35 French translations carried over from previous cycles
00:39:37 rudi: That's not going to sit well with me at all.
00:39:44 For headings and stuff
00:39:52 rudi: Why did they do that?
00:40:00 What was the reasoning?
00:40:21 Sparks -- because they saw us (docs) publishing
half-complete work in the past and didn't want it to happen again
00:40:29 Sounds so terribly French of them
00:40:30 rudi: what was the % translated when they nuked it?
00:40:33 so they aren't going to do them at all?
00:40:49 Sparks -- they have no plans to for F12
00:40:57 I'm not good with that
00:41:43 ryanlerch -- only about 10%–20%
00:41:47 Reused strings.
00:42:08 Okay... anything else?
00:42:19 It does mean, however, that if they decide that they want to
do RN in French for (say) F13, they'll need to rebase the PO to F10
00:42:28 (or start from scratch, as they choose)
00:42:49 That's just nuts
00:43:12 True, but they probably didn't realise that they could just
ask us not to publish the doc ;)
00:43:32 I'll keep my thoughts to myself at the moment.
00:43:34 And, I sympathise with their desire not to publish
half-finished work to the world
00:43:40 Okay, moving on.
00:43:47 Anything else in the guide department?
00:44:17 #topic New guides?
00:44:28 Any new guides to be discussed?
00:44:39 You don't have enough?
00:44:56 I don't have enough time to work on the guides I want to work on!
00:44:58 :)
00:45:06 #topic Other business
00:45:09 Just noting that the Virt Guide is up
00:45:14 Anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
00:45:18 rudi: +1
00:45:21 On the F12 drafts page
00:45:23 Sparks
00:45:24 Check it out! :)
00:45:36 You are aware that the beta meeting moved a week
00:45:46 jjmcd: Yes... Was going to mention that to you... :)
00:46:12 :-) Poelstra sent me a note, I wasn't sure it also went to you
00:46:41 jjmcd: I saw it on the logistics list. Are you on that?
00:46:56 Not sure, don't think so
00:47:05 I already have too many lists
00:47:24 Okay, that list was created as a joint list kinda thing... mutual aid?
00:48:17 Okay, anything else?
00:48:21 Yep, the note from JP was posted to logistics so I guess I am on it
00:48:38 I actually have something.
00:49:11 The first meeting after the F12 release I'll accept
nominations for "leader" of the Docs Project.
00:49:27 We'll give that a week and then we'll have a poll setup to vote.
00:49:47 So be thinking of someone you'd like to see running this thing.
00:50:02 I think it is a good idea to do this every release or two...
00:50:12 I don't know if you can get out of it that easy
00:50:15 just to keep the ideas new and the momentum moving.
00:50:23 jjmcd: One can try.
00:50:36 jjmcd: All I have to do is nominate you. :)
00:50:43 * ryanlerch nominates zodbot, he is always in meetings...
00:50:55 lolz@ryanlerch
00:50:56 ryanlerch: That's true. And he does take really good notes.
00:50:59 * bcotton seconds ryanlerch's nomination
00:51:02 I'll decline, but maybe I should nominate EvilBob, he is
always at these meetngs, too
00:51:31 but here's a question: why can't zodbot be a she?
00:51:43 that is what I get for having a good bouncer
00:51:45 bcotton: zodbot sounds too masculine
00:51:59 what about Sonar_Gal?
00:52:26 Always coming and going
00:52:41 :)
00:52:45 Okay, anything else?
00:53:12 ls
00:53:16 * danielsmw apologizes
00:53:40 rm -Ir danielsmw
00:53:43 better than firefox http://myfavepornsite &
00:54:26 5
00:54:31 4
00:54:35 3
00:54:39 2
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00:54:49 Thanks everyone for coming!
00:54:56 #endmeeting
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14 years, 6 months
Re: 2nd Draft Ready for Review: Ch. 1: Yum
by A. Mani
Douglas Silas<dhensley redhat com> wrote:
>> #yum list all
> > #yum list available
>> are rarely used in this form.
>> This should be improved.
> I occasionally use them in this form. Do you have any suggestions? I have some changes to make to this section
> today and will be releasing the next draft, though these two commands will still be included.
#yum list available "abc*"
or a combination of grep with yum list available/all
Best
A. Mani
--
A. Mani
ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS
http://www.logicamani.co.cc
14 years, 6 months
Re: 2nd Draft Ready for Review: Ch. 1: Yum
by A. Mani
Douglas Silas <dhensley(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Note: Yum and its "ecosphere" (yum-utils, plugins, etc.) provide
> many more capabilities than can be described in the Deployment
> Guide. That said, I am very interested in Yum use cases and
> procedures that system administrators find indispensable. One
> example would be: documenting orphan and unneeded package removal
> with the package-cleanup command. Or merging config files with
> yum-plugin-merge-conf. Initial text for supplementary sections would
> be much appreciated.
#yum list all
#yum list available
are rarely used in this form.
This should be improved.
Kpackagekit is not mentioned at all.
Best
A. Mani
--
A. Mani
ASL, CLC, AMS, CMS
http://www.logicamani.co.cc
14 years, 6 months
FINAL Draft Ready for Review: Ch. 2: PackageKit
by Douglas Silas
The PackageKit chapter of the Fedora 12 Deployment Guide is in final
draft stage. The fine-pick comb has already been applied. Only
content corrections should be applied at this point. Thanks to
Richard Hughes, Rahul Sundaram, Rahul Kavalapara for their helpful
2nd draft reviews and suggestions
Notable changes:
* addition of a short discussion on, and screenshot of, the Software
Update Preferences window, for setting update-checking intervals.
(Rahul Kavalapara pointed out this omission--thanks!)
* all screenshots now correct; all but three have "Figure X:
description" captions
* entire chapter now formatted (i.e. the bold has been applied)
Review and feedback on this chapter is still welcome.
For details on how to get involved in the Fedora 12 Deployment Guide
update, see the project page (and join the mailing list) at:
https://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide/
--
Douglas Silas
Technical Writer | Red Hat, Inc.
14 years, 6 months
