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Re: A question about translation out of the freezing time frame.
by Ruediger Landmann 30 Nov '09

30 Nov '09

On 11/28/2009 11:34 PM, Rui Gouveia wrote: > The guides are big. Usually, during the string freeze windows, we > concentrate our efforts mainly in the GUI interface and applications, > and these are left for last and never finished. Now that things are > slower, if we want to contribute work for these modules, whats the > proper way to do it? > Rui, the F12 guides remain stable and open for translation while writers continue to work in the "master" branch of each document. You can therefore continue your work on the F12 versions of the docs if you want to. Some of us are watching the translation statistics so that we can publish new translations as they reach completion; however, if you complete a translation and it doesn't show up on docs.fedoraproject.org within a few days, please post a note to fedora-docs-list and remind us :) [1] At some point after the Alpha version of F13 becomes available, the updated "master" branch of each document is combined with the latest updated PO files from the "F12" branch to create the new "F13" branch. This is then made available in transifex and submissions to the "F12" branch are disabled. The docs team tries to minimise changes to strings between releases as much as possible, so that the maximum number of strings in the old PO file will still apply to the new PO file. Thanks for your interest, and please let me know if there's any way I can help you out further. Cheers Ruediger [1] Yes, I know that I'm running late with the amazing effort of the Indic teams contributing to the Installation Quick Start Guide. There are so many new translations and they arrived so quickly one after the other! Thank you all for your efforts; I will bring docs.fedoraproject.org up to date this week with all your hard work.

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Fedora-tour: A Fedora Feature for new users
by Ryan Rix 28 Nov '09

28 Nov '09

Hello Docs team, Ankur Sinha (fas username ankursinha, cc'd) and I have recently embarked on a new project that is set, at the moment, to be included as a Fedora 14, or possibly Fedora 13 feature, designed to give new and old users a tour of the Fedora Project, Fedora Linux and their recently installed software. It would add an option to the last form of Firstboot with the option to start this at first login, serving as an equivalent to Windows' "Welcome Center" (I don't have any pictures of this, unfortunately, for reference) and basically just introduce Fedora users to their new desktop, and the project as a whole, including ways to contribute, if they are interested. Naturally, such a project will take the involvement of many teams, including the Documentation team. When we have the final product nearing completion, we will need some content to put into it, naturally. Some of this will most likely come from the various SIGs within Fedora, but much of it will have to come from the Docs project. What Ankur and I were considering was to implement a visual introduction to the application, with a tree (like, an actual tree with branches, etc) where each leaf is a separate "part" of Fedora (General Overview, FAQ, Getting Help, GNOME overview, KDE overview, LXDE overview, Development Tools, Joining Fedora etc) all installable as separate packages, pulled in, most likely, by installing packages from that Group in anaconda. Naturally, we want to make it as easy for the docs team, and the various SIGs to add initial content and update/overhaul it each release. What tools would the Docs team recommend we use as a backend for this? We could possibly introduce some mediawiki-esque markup syntax, straight html, or Docbook XML, along with anything else that is suggested and agreed upon. We're still in the early design phase of this project and are open to any suggestions. Thank you for your time, Ryan Rix Fas user rrix -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat writer http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonaleash(a)gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash(a)yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: PhrkOnLsh(a)irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels.

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Docs Meeting 2009-11-26 Summary
by Eric Christensen 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

=================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings =================================================================================================== Meeting started by sparks at 00:01:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-11-26/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (sparks, 00:01:19) * Docs Project Leader Elections (sparks, 00:07:44) * Release Notes (sparks, 00:11:54) * ACTION: jjmcd to contact kernel and/or anaconda developers to figure out the processor question (sparks, 00:27:31) * ACTION: jjmcd and sparks to work out the final text for the PK fiasco and submit it to the RN and SG (sparks, 00:27:55) * ACTION: jjmcd or sparks to send message to trans-list to notify them of the duplicate text for RN and SG. (sparks, 00:28:24) * Guide Status (sparks, 00:30:15) * ACTION: laubersm to do editorial review of Accessibility Guide. (sparks, 00:36:10) * New Guides (sparks, 00:37:56) * All other business (sparks, 00:38:56) Meeting ended at 00:40:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * jjmcd to contact kernel and/or anaconda developers to figure out the processor question * jjmcd and sparks to work out the final text for the PK fiasco and submit it to the RN and SG * jjmcd or sparks to send message to trans-list to notify them of the duplicate text for RN and SG. * laubersm to do editorial review of Accessibility Guide. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jjmcd * jjmcd to contact kernel and/or anaconda developers to figure out the processor question * jjmcd and sparks to work out the final text for the PK fiasco and submit it to the RN and SG * jjmcd or sparks to send message to trans-list to notify them of the duplicate text for RN and SG. * laubersm * laubersm to do editorial review of Accessibility Guide. * sparks * jjmcd and sparks to work out the final text for the PK fiasco and submit it to the RN and SG * jjmcd or sparks to send message to trans-list to notify them of the duplicate text for RN and SG. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * sparks (54) * jjmcd (39) * laubersm (21) * radsy (3) * zodbot (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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CORRECTED Docs Meeting 2009-11-26 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

00:01:14 <sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:01:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 26 00:01:14 2009 UTC. The chair is sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:01:14 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:01:19 <sparks> #topic Roll Call 00:01:20 * sparks 00:02:27 * jjmcd . 00:02:55 * laubersm . 00:04:05 <jjmcd> looks like sparse pickins tonight, Eric. Do the Aussies have a holiday tomorrow, too? 00:04:15 <sparks> jjmcd: Not sure! 00:04:31 * sparks was hoping ke4qqq would be in attendance tonight 00:07:09 <sparks> Well... 00:07:15 <sparks> Slim pickins indeed 00:07:44 <sparks> #topic Docs Project Leader Elections 00:07:46 * radsy shuffles in 00:08:09 <sparks> Being there are so few in attendance tonight, I'm going to push the vote back to next week. 00:08:22 <jjmcd> Sounds like a plan to me 00:08:26 <sparks> Right now jjmcd and I are the only ones nominated for the leader position... 00:08:40 <sparks> Would anyone like to make an additional nomination? 00:08:48 <jjmcd> And without someone for RNs, I have to decline 00:09:15 * laubersm thinks you two could just trade places.... 00:09:32 <jjmcd> Eric has more sense than to take RNs 00:09:36 * sparks isn't that crazy 00:09:58 <sparks> jjmcd: But you know, laubersm could take the RNs... 00:10:09 <jjmcd> Yeah, I was thinking that 00:10:19 <laubersm> Did sparks see how much I was not around the last release?!? 00:10:37 <jjmcd> Ahhh, but this is a new season 00:10:37 * laubersm is not that crazy 00:10:45 * sparks is hoping laubersm will be around for this release 00:10:55 * laubersm is not that crazy 00:11:04 <sparks> okay... well, we'll revisit this next week 00:11:07 <jjmcd> I do have a question for this cycle tho, and some input 00:11:13 <sparks> go 00:11:23 <sparks> for the leader or another topic? 00:11:34 <jjmcd> Once we have some weasel words aroun the securoty thing 00:11:47 <jjmcd> We will need to face L10N for a bigger update than we would like 00:11:54 <sparks> #topic Release Notes 00:11:57 <jjmcd> BUT, we have a bug on the list of processors 00:12:12 <jjmcd> This is about the fifth opinion on the list of supported systems 00:12:23 <jjmcd> so the question is, who is the canonical authority? 00:13:06 * sparks doesn't have a clue 00:13:39 <laubersm> who are the package maintainers for the kernel? 00:13:52 <laubersm> I would start there - and/or anaconda 00:13:58 <jjmcd> I suppose that would be a good place to start 00:14:49 <sparks> jjmcd: Since PK has been patched, can we now remove that text from the RN and the SG? 00:14:54 <laubersm> and/or ask stickster_afk 00:15:01 <laubersm> :) 00:15:03 <jjmcd> I think we need to change the prose 00:15:11 * laubersm waves at stickster_afk 00:15:24 <jjmcd> But people who install from the dvd will still have the feature until they update 00:15:52 <sparks> jjmcd: Doesn't everyone know to run an update once you've installed from media like that? 00:16:02 <laubersm> mention that when you ask for input... they (developers/package maintainers working on kernel/install) may be able to help there too 00:16:03 <jjmcd> I suspect not 00:16:35 <jjmcd> Even if they do, some will not be comfortable having that on the network while they update 00:16:43 <laubersm> also - a lot of people - mostly outside the us - install from dvd and do not have easy access to updates 00:16:54 <laubersm> they may want to change it before they get access to updates 00:17:13 <laubersm> don't know if they would see the RN updates either though... :) 00:17:15 <jjmcd> Yes, and even on DSL, that first update can be very slow, so many delay it 00:17:19 <sparks> Well, at the very least we need to update the text better than what's there now. 00:17:24 <jjmcd> yes 00:17:32 <jjmcd> we need to say soemthing different 00:17:38 <sparks> jjmcd: Whatever you put in the RN is what I'll put in the SG 00:17:39 <jjmcd> we also have a few minor things 00:17:48 <laubersm> adding "or just get the update" (in nicer wording) would be good 00:18:00 <jjmcd> but my main outstanding thing is the processor 00:18:41 <jjmcd> I never checked, did we ever get index.php fixed? 00:19:05 <jjmcd> I'm apparently not alone in noticing the behavior, the bug has 2 or 3 duplicates 00:19:18 <sparks> Fixed? Like what rudi was going to work on? 00:19:28 <jjmcd> yeah 00:19:42 <jjmcd> fixed from our perspective 00:19:53 <jjmcd> obviously we're not going to fix gecko 00:20:40 <jjmcd> I know rudi was unhappy with it not validating and wanted to fix that, but I don't know whether he did anything 00:21:06 <sparks> W3C is still showing 208 errors and 6 warnings so I'm guessing nothing has changed. 00:21:21 <radsy> rudi's not in the office yet, i can follow up with him when he arrives 00:21:32 <jjmcd> OK, well, at least the bug is posted and being passed from team to team :-) 00:21:41 <sparks> It's almost 10:30! He really is sleeping in! 00:22:10 <jjmcd> I notice ryanlerch is not on either, which makes me suspect they have something today, too 00:22:11 <radsy> he's doing post office stuff this morning :) 00:22:53 <jjmcd> I don't think I ever played post office as an adult 00:23:03 <sparks> jjmcd: Did you see the schedule reminder for the RNs? 00:23:10 <jjmcd> yes 00:23:24 <jjmcd> But as I said, I think we need another cycle 00:23:39 <jjmcd> That security thing is still only in en-US 00:23:49 <sparks> Yeah 00:24:10 <jjmcd> Did you see someone is starting an en-GB L10N team, surprised we haven seen an en-AU 00:24:11 <sparks> Let's work on the text tonight so we can push it out to the translators 00:24:24 <sparks> I did not 00:24:31 <jjmcd> Still need to get the processors before we do, tho 00:24:57 <jjmcd> There's probably a dozen small changes being hidden from L10N, and another half-dzen to make 00:25:01 <sparks> jjmcd: Once we get the text squared away for the PK thing, let's make sure the trans-list gets a notice that the paragraphs are the same so the translation can be used in both places. 00:25:15 <jjmcd> good point 00:26:40 * sparks has changes that need to be submitted to Transifex now. 00:27:31 <sparks> #action jjmcd to contact kernel and/or anaconda developers to figure out the processor question 00:27:55 <sparks> #action jjmcd and sparks to work out the final text for the PK fiasco and submit it to the RN and SG 00:28:24 <sparks> #action jjmcd or sparks to send message to trans-list to notify them of the duplicate text for RN and SG. 00:29:21 <sparks> Okay, anything else on the Release Notes? 00:30:15 <sparks> #topic Guide Status 00:30:52 <sparks> The Accessibility Guide is coming along. I need to verify some software for GNOME and I should be done for F12. 00:31:06 <sparks> laubersm: Are you going to have time to do an editorial review? 00:31:41 <laubersm> depends on when :) 00:31:53 <sparks> I was supposed to ping you the other night... 00:32:20 <laubersm> Tonight/Tommorrow - no - Fri/Sat probably. Sun - probably not - Mon-Thur evenings - probably 00:33:16 <sparks> Okay... Whenever you can. There isn't a lot of change since you last looked at it. I just want to make sure it is what it needs to be before I turn it loose to the translators. 00:33:18 <laubersm> actually - if it is ready for a git pull before I leave the house in the morning, I might do it while the turkey is cooking... and can push when I get home late tomorrow night 00:33:38 <laubersm> If I need internet access it has to wait until Fri 00:33:52 <sparks> laubersm: That will be fine. I'll make sure everything is current in the f12 branch and I won't touch it 00:33:52 <sparks> You shouldn't 00:34:04 <laubersm> so I should get the f12 branch - not master? 00:34:07 <laubersm> I can do that 00:35:18 <sparks> Yeah, I'm going to make sure the f12 branch is the final version for f12. 00:35:22 <sparks> devel is branch 00:36:10 <sparks> #action laubersm to do editorial review of Accessibility Guide. 00:36:43 <sparks> Okay, any other guide items? 00:37:56 <sparks> #topic New Guides 00:38:02 <sparks> Any new guides to discuss? 00:38:56 <sparks> #topic All other business 00:39:07 <sparks> Anyone have anything else they'd like to talk about? 00:40:01 <sparks> Okay, well we'll close up shop earlier tonight. 00:40:06 <sparks> Thanks for coming everyone! 00:40:13 <sparks> #endmeeting

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Docs Meeting 2009-11-26 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 26 Nov '09

26 Nov '09

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Moving Docs Project to Category:Docs Project
by Eric Christensen 25 Nov '09

25 Nov '09

Does anyone have an opinion on moving the current Docs Project wiki page to Category:Docs Project? It would allow a one stop shop, basically, but I don't really see it as a need. Thoughts? --Eric

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Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder
by Eric Christensen 25 Nov '09

25 Nov '09

REMINDER: There will be a Fedora Docs Meeting today at 0001 UTC. The agenda can be found at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting

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[Bug 533741] New: License should be CC-BY-SA instead of Open Publication
by Red Hat Bugzilla 24 Nov '09

24 Nov '09

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: License should be CC-BY-SA instead of Open Publication https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533741 Summary: License should be CC-BY-SA instead of Open Publication Product: Fedora Version: 12 Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: publican-fedora AssignedTo: jfearn(a)redhat.com ReportedBy: eric(a)christensenplace.us QAContact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org CC: jfearn(a)redhat.com, fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com, nb(a)fedoraproject.org, mmcallis(a)redhat.com, r.landmann(a)redhat.com Classification: Fedora Eric Christensen <eric(a)christensenplace.us> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flag| |review? Created an attachment (id=368076) --> (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=368076) Proposed patch for defaults.cfg Description of problem: When building a package in Publican 1.x the spec file shows a license of Open Publication instead of CC-BY-SA. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): 1.0-0.fc12 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

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Schedule reminder
by John Poelstra 24 Nov '09

24 Nov '09

Start End Name Tue 17-Nov Wed 18-Nov 0-Day rel-notes generate POT Tue 17-Nov Wed 18-Nov 0-Day rel-notes build updated rpm Tue 17-Nov Wed 18-Nov 0-Day rel-notes update docs.fp.org Thu 26-Nov Thu 26-Nov Add translated zero-day updates to docs.fp.org

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Medialess installation
by Rahul Sundaram 23 Nov '09

23 Nov '09

Hi, I remember filing a RFE for this long time back and the installation guide was updated. Refer http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f8/en_US/ap-medialess-install.h… This seems to have been dropped from the recent versions. Was this intentional? Can it be added back? Rahul

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