Fedbot and meeting protocols
by Eric Christensen
Thanks to nirik for making this possible...
Starting next week we'll start using fedbot to capture our meeting
minutes. Until we get everything straightened/figured out we'll still
capture the meeting minutes manually.
I'd like everyone to review the commands[1] for this bot so we can get
the most out of this tool.
I'd also like for everyone to take a look at the Meeting Protocols[2].
I'm not looking for strict adherence but it might make things go by
faster especially when I'm changing topics. I might ask for questions
or comments and wait a few seconds before changing topics while someone
is typing a dissertation. It would help to remember to throw a ? or a !
to let me, or whoever is running the meeting, know that you have
something to say. It will also help us stay on topic and on track.
[1] http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Meeting_Protocol
Thanks,
Eric
14 years, 10 months
Re: selinux user guide
by Geert Warrink
I do not need a Dutch draft of the selinux user guide.
I made one using the directions posted by Ruediger.
The Dutch version is already proofreaded and corrected.
Geert Warrink
Domingo Becker wrote:
> Would you please publish a draft of the SELinux User Guide in
> Spanish ?
> I think warrink would also want one in Dutch.
> kind regards
> Domingo Becker (es)
14 years, 10 months
From the desk of Jim Whitehurst...
by Paul W. Frields
http://press.redhat.com/2009/06/11/fedora-11-%e2%80%93-wow/
The URL above links to a wonderful note from Jim Whitehurst, President
and CEO of Red Hat, congratulating the community on the release of
Fedora 11. I think it's fantastic that Fedora gets such solid support
from the very top ranks at Red Hat, directly on the company's press
site. One thing that is always in the back of my head, as we work
through all the various release bits, is that I know on release day
Red Hat's CEO -- just like thousands of other people -- is going to
download Fedora and take it for a ride.
Although Jim singled out some specific areas in his blog that
immediately impressed him about Fedora 11, from our phone
conversations I know that he's very proud of the work every team in
Fedora does. He is genuinely passionate about Fedora, and that's due
to *your* superb efforts as part of our large extended family of
contributors.
Thanks to all of you for making this release such an incredible
experience. I hope you enjoy Fedora 11 too, and I'm very excited
about working with all of you on Fedora 12!
--
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
14 years, 10 months
Self-Introduction (Adam Williamson)
by Adam Williamson
Hi, guys. Some of you may know me already, others not :). I joined RH at
the start of this year, in the Fedora QA team, as a sort of community
cheerleader. I've found myself contributing to a lot of
documentation-related stuff - I sent in a few items for the F11 release
notes, and I'm the main writer / maintainer for the F11 common bugs
page, at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs . We just had an
interesting discussion on fedora-test-list:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-June/msg00345.html
which touches on lots of documentation issues, and led to me suggesting
that those of us in QA / IRC support / forum support etc roles who are
interested in documenting various types of issues should bite the bullet
and join the documentation group, so here I am!
As that thread suggests I'd particularly like to help improve
co-ordination between the docs team, QA, Bugzappers, and front-line
support volunteers like the people who help others in the forums and
IRC, to try and make sure we have a coherent plan for documenting useful
information for regular users in a small set of canonical locations, and
we all consistently direct people to those locations when they ask about
such issues. But I'm happy to pitch in in other ways too!
I don't have any kind of formal documentation training, but somehow I
wind up writing a lot of the stuff. :) As well as the notes I submitted
for F11 and the common bugs page, I wrote a lot of stuff for Mandriva,
when I worked there: I did a large chunk of the release documentation
for Mandriva 2007 Spring, 2008, 2008 Spring and 2009, including most of
the writing for the Release Notes, Release Tour, Errata (like common
bugs) and Reviewers' Guide for each release. see for e.g.:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_Tour
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_Notes
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_Errata
As you may have already noticed, I also have a tendency to write too
much!
GPG key fingerprint is 4B7B E7D9 90EA 124B 2F47 4BF6 0BC5 71C4 C136
5CF0.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
14 years, 10 months
Meeting Log 2009-06-11 (Z)
by John J. McDonough
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 10 19:50:07 2009
Jun 10 20:00:52 <Sparks> <meeting id="Docs Project">
Jun 10 20:00:53 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Docs
Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
Jun 10 20:01:00 <Sparks> Roll Call!
Jun 10 20:01:01 * Sparks is here
Jun 10 20:01:11 * jjmcd ici
Jun 10 20:01:15 * rudi is here
Jun 10 20:01:44 * sgodsell has quit ("Leaving")
Jun 10 20:02:31 * quaid is here!
Jun 10 20:02:33 * Sparks wonders if we need to change the time, again.
Jun 10 20:02:48 <quaid> I thought this was the best one available?
Jun 10 20:03:05 <Sparks> Yeah, me too... except for people don't show up.
Jun 10 20:04:15 <quaid> hmm, well
Jun 10 20:04:33 * Sparks checks his breath.
Jun 10 20:04:39 <jjmcd> Lessee, ianweller, zoglesby on docs
Jun 10 20:04:43 <quaid> so, let me say btw ...
Jun 10 20:04:53 <quaid> awesome release for Docs
Jun 10 20:05:02 <quaid> I'm very impressed, and glad to be out of a job
around here :D
Jun 10 20:05:42 * quaid saw some praise in response to his praise ... here:
Jun 10 20:05:53 <quaid>
http://iquaid.org/2009/06/10/and-i-didnt-have-to-do-a-thing/#comments
Jun 10 20:06:07 <Sparks> quaid: My blood pressure has come down a bit. I
hope jjmcd's has too.
Jun 10 20:06:18 <jjmcd> Not as much as it needs to
Jun 10 20:06:47 <jjmcd> It is now ARRL reporting season, plus still waiting
to find out what my car is gonna cost me
Jun 10 20:07:14 <Sparks> Yikes.
Jun 10 20:07:26 <Sparks> Okay, let's get started and hopefully the rest will
join in soon.
Jun 10 20:07:37 <Sparks> quaid: Can you get the log tonight, please?
Jun 10 20:08:02 * jstephan__ (n=jstephan(a)p5B327A34.dip.t-dialin.net) has
joined #fedora-meeting
Jun 10 20:08:26 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - [[FAD SELF
2009]] <-- ke4qqq
Jun 10 20:08:33 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Are you here???
Jun 10 20:08:49 <Sparks> I'm guessing not.
Jun 10 20:08:51 * radsy (n=irc@unaffiliated/radsy) has joined
#fedora-meeting
Jun 10 20:09:45 <Sparks> Okay. This weekend is the SouthEast LinuxFest in
Clemson, SC. If you are going please visit the wiki page [FAD SELF 2009]
and sign up.
Jun 10 20:09:59 <Sparks> Saturday is SELF and Sunday is the Fedora Activity
Day
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Jun 10 20:10:37 <Sparks> We will be linking the conference room up to the
Talk server so people can dial into the conference room (2008) and
communicate with us.
Jun 10 20:10:43 <quaid> ke4qqq mentioned that he wasn't likely to make
tonight, fwiw
Jun 10 20:10:56 <jjmcd> So mostly Sunday then?
Jun 10 20:10:59 <quaid> what's on the FAD agenda? what is the time window
youll be there?
Jun 10 20:11:26 <Sparks> We will also have an IRC channel (maybe just in
#fedora-docs) but it might be a little difficult to do a face-to-face and
IRC but someone will be monitoring.
Jun 10 20:11:37 * zoglesby is here
Jun 10 20:11:49 <Sparks> jjmcd: The FAD is on Sunday.
Jun 10 20:12:09 <jjmcd> Didn't I see a sked somewhere?
Jun 10 20:12:10 <Sparks> FAD Activities include:
Jun 10 20:12:17 <Sparks> * F12 and beyond - issues central to the
future of the Docs Project
Jun 10 20:12:20 <Sparks> * Packaging instruction (provided by Ian
Weller )
Jun 10 20:12:23 <Sparks> * Working on Zikula - specifically packaging
modules
Jun 10 20:12:25 <Sparks> * A non-translator's introduction to the POT/PO
model (Paul Frields)
Jun 10 20:12:28 <Sparks> * Perhaps an introduction to DocBook if there
is interest
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Jun 10 20:12:53 <Sparks> It looks like there are eight people signed up to
be there.
Jun 10 20:13:20 <joat> I plan on being there at least the first half of the
day
Jun 10 20:13:30 <joat> haven't signed up yet tho
Jun 10 20:13:51 <Sparks> joat: Yeah, you've got a little drive ahead of you.
Jun 10 20:14:11 <zoglesby> I hope to be on sip
Jun 10 20:14:14 <Sparks> The biggest thing that I plan on discussing is the
F12 and beyond
Jun 10 20:14:52 <Sparks> I'll make sure that an email gets sent to the list
so people know what time we are starting and such.
Jun 10 20:14:55 <jjmcd> Some of those things should be recorded ...
ianweller, stickster esp.
Jun 10 20:15:06 <Sparks> Maybe we can figure out how to do an ogg (podcast?)
of the meeting.
Jun 10 20:15:22 <Sparks> jjmcd: I agree.
Jun 10 20:15:34 <zoglesby> jjmcd: good idea
Jun 10 20:15:46 * zoglesby really needs to hear the packaging stuff
Jun 10 20:15:53 <Sparks> If we are already going to be using the Talk server
then maybe we can do the podcast thing and grab the audio.
Jun 10 20:16:00 * mchua (n=mchua(a)nat-pool-128-89.olin.edu) has joined
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Jun 10 20:16:11 <jjmcd> I figure by F12 time I will have forgotten the
pot/po
Jun 10 20:16:21 <Sparks> mchua: Welcome! We are just discussing SELF and
the FAD on Sunday.
Jun 10 20:16:45 <Sparks> jjmcd: By F12 I hope that we don't have to remember
how to do that convoluted way.
Jun 10 20:17:01 <jjmcd> Good point, so it will be totally new
Jun 10 20:17:13 <Sparks> I hope it is point-and-click by then.
Jun 10 20:17:13 <rudi> Sparks -- Transifex 0.6 is not in the repo yet
Jun 10 20:17:19 <Sparks> :(
Jun 10 20:17:33 <rudi> As soon as it is, we can nag infrastructure to
upgrade
Jun 10 20:17:39 <zoglesby> rudi: is transifex going to fix our issues?
Jun 10 20:17:40 <Sparks> rudi: Can you get a status report on that for next
week's meeting?
Jun 10 20:17:51 <rudi> Sparks NP
Jun 10 20:17:55 <jjmcd> zoglesby, it will greatly simplify them
Jun 10 20:18:01 <zoglesby> yay!
Jun 10 20:18:14 <rudi> zoglesby - it will allow Translators to work directly
with Publican's PO files
Jun 10 20:18:31 <rudi> So that we won't have to merge them for translation
and split them afterwards to build
Jun 10 20:18:55 <rudi> It will also allow the translators to share their
workload more easily (because different people can be working on different
files)
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Jun 10 20:20:23 <Sparks> Okay, anything else about SELF?
Jun 10 20:20:28 * cwickert (n=chris@fedora/cwickert) has joined
#fedora-meeting
Jun 10 20:21:34 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on
[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ CC] license discussion.
<--quaid
Jun 10 20:21:40 <Sparks> quaid: Do you have an update on this?
Jun 10 20:23:16 <Sparks> quaid: PING
Jun 10 20:23:46 <Sparks> Well, he was here.
Jun 10 20:23:52 <jjmcd> He's in kalifornia, anything could happen there -
earthquake, wildfire, mudslide
Jun 10 20:24:17 <Sparks> We'll come back once he gets his head above...
well, whatever has fallen on it from all that.
Jun 10 20:24:22 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project -
[[Docs_decisions_for_F12]]
Jun 10 20:24:30 <zoglesby> good update!
Jun 10 20:24:52 <quaid> Sparks: sorry, distraction land
Jun 10 20:25:05 * quaid is at the farmer's market
Jun 10 20:25:08 <Sparks> Just wanted to point out that if you want it
discussed at FAD and it applies to changes to the way we do business for F12
you should make sure it get in the wiki
Jun 10 20:25:12 <Sparks> quaid: Really?
Jun 10 20:25:22 <quaid> sho'nuff
Jun 10 20:25:31 <Sparks> quaid: Let's go back to your topic real quick so
you can continue to squeeze the melons.
Jun 10 20:25:38 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on
[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ CC] license discussion.
<--quaid
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Jun 10 20:26:28 <quaid> sorry, I need another minute
Jun 10 20:26:48 <quaid> ok, back
Jun 10 20:26:53 <Sparks> :)
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Jun 10 20:28:27 <quaid> so far all seems lined up
Jun 10 20:28:27 <quaid> I wanted to talk with the contenet services group to
ensure there is no hardship
Jun 10 20:28:27 <quaid> mhideo was on paternity leave, just got back and
sent me a response right away
Jun 10 20:28:28 <quaid> positive response from him and rfontana about their
needs; he is working up a plan by 19 June
Jun 10 20:28:36 <quaid> so meanwhile, knowing we aren't going to be a PITA
for ECS, I'll
Jun 10 20:28:42 <quaid> start the plan via f-advisory-board
Jun 10 20:28:57 <quaid> because we want to cover all of
*.fedoraproject.org/.*
Jun 10 20:29:04 <quaid> that is not explicitly licensed otherwise.
Jun 10 20:29:18 <Sparks> +1
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Jun 10 20:29:42 <quaid> as long as we don't run into problems in the f-a-b
discussion, I'll have a project plan together to refence in that discussion,
and we can roll based on that.
Jun 10 20:30:01 <quaid> I'll signal something when i submit my patch for the
Publican Fedora brand pckage :)
Jun 10 20:30:05 <quaid> any questions?
Jun 10 20:30:22 <zoglesby> and by-sa 3.0 is the license we are going with?
Jun 10 20:30:25 <Sparks> Do I need to be "present" for the f-a-b?
Jun 10 20:30:44 <quaid> zoglesby: yes, the part I have to double check is
the 'ported/unported' part
Jun 10 20:31:01 <quaid> Sparks: you mean, in the discussion? probably not,
but you can lurk :)
Jun 10 20:31:12 <jjmcd> Sounds like you have the bases covered
Jun 10 20:31:22 <Sparks> quaid: Yeah, remind me when it is so I can lurk...
Jun 10 20:31:25 <rudi> quaid - any timeframe on that patch?
Jun 10 20:32:17 <quaid> rudi: well, I could pull something from my ear right
now, but let me cook a plan with f-a-b first ... I want us to think out the
ramifications
Jun 10 20:32:30 <quaid> it could be within a week, but that seems unlikely
from past experience :)
Jun 10 20:33:00 <rudi> quaid -- sure, I was only asking because I have
another change to make to the package, and was wondering if I should wait or
not :)
Jun 10 20:34:17 <quaid> ah
Jun 10 20:35:00 <quaid> ok, I'll let f-docs-l know as soon as I kick of the
f-a-b discussion
Jun 10 20:35:15 <quaid> and will also let y'all know the timeframe that
develops.
Jun 10 20:35:21 * quaid is eof
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Jun 10 20:35:48 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else?
Jun 10 20:36:00 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Calendar
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#fedora-meeting
Jun 10 20:36:24 <Sparks> Okay, I still want to do this but I haven't had a
chance to work on it. Maybe I'll have some time this weekend or next week.
Jun 10 20:36:31 <Sparks> Questions or comments?
Jun 10 20:36:50 <zoglesby> Are you talking about the ical?
Jun 10 20:36:59 <Sparks> Yes
Jun 10 20:37:02 <zoglesby> nope
Jun 10 20:37:17 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on
Release Notes <-- ryanlerch & jjmcd
Jun 10 20:37:31 <Sparks> jjmcd: So... how's the RN coming?
Jun 10 20:37:33 <Sparks> :)
Jun 10 20:37:36 <zoglesby> lol
Jun 10 20:37:36 <jjmcd> I need someone to push the zero day to docs.fp.o
Jun 10 20:38:01 <jjmcd> My web server is kind of screwy and I can't flip it
to sandbox for a few days
Jun 10 20:38:11 <jjmcd> But all the updates in git
Jun 10 20:38:20 <rudi> If I can be added, I'll do it
Jun 10 20:38:37 <rudi> I've also got fixes for problems in Hebrew and
Serbian (Latin)
Jun 10 20:39:01 <jjmcd> Oh good, one of the things I wanted to try was the
hebrew thing but that is only like 2% translated
Jun 10 20:39:31 <rudi> I know, but I figured that we could at least
demonstrate that we've got it under control :)
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Jun 10 20:39:55 <jjmcd> That would be good
Jun 10 20:39:58 * quaid has to drop connection, bbiafew
Jun 10 20:40:42 <rudi> I've got those ready to check in, but don't have the
right permissions (I thought I did...)
Jun 10 20:41:11 <jjmcd> for cvsfedora?
Jun 10 20:41:34 <rudi> Just for the release-notes part, apparently.
Jun 10 20:41:53 <Sparks> rudi: Get with me after the meeting and let me see
if I can remember how to do it.
Jun 10 20:41:55 <rudi> I've been able to check in install-guide and
user-guide
Jun 10 20:41:58 <rudi> Sparks - Ta
Jun 10 20:42:08 <Sparks> Okay, anything else on the RNs?
Jun 10 20:42:10 <jjmcd> Well, it is only the one group
Jun 10 20:42:28 <Sparks> jjmcd: There are additional permissions in the CVS
Jun 10 20:42:33 <rudi> apparently not.
Jun 10 20:42:39 <rudi> I get "Access denied: rlandmann is not in ACL for
web/html/docs/release-notes"
Jun 10 20:42:39 <jjmcd> ahhh
Jun 10 20:42:57 <jjmcd> SO some more magic pixie dust needed
Jun 10 20:43:01 <Sparks> Yeah... I just ventured in there last week...
Jun 10 20:43:03 <rudi> :D
Jun 10 20:43:03 <Sparks> Yes
Jun 10 20:43:10 <jjmcd> I guess quaid gotta do that then
Jun 10 20:43:21 <jjmcd> I mean, give permissions
Jun 10 20:43:33 <Sparks> jjmcd: I think I can do it, now.
Jun 10 20:43:42 <Sparks> I think I was given the magic wand.
Jun 10 20:44:00 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
Jun 10 20:44:03 <jjmcd> ahhh interesting, you're not a sponsor on cvsfedora
Jun 10 20:44:33 <jjmcd> but acls could be different
Jun 10 20:44:45 <jjmcd> I think that's it
Jun 10 20:45:01 <jjmcd> I still need to do the merge/split so translators
can work on zero day
Jun 10 20:45:09 <jjmcd> and then we'll make an update rpm
Jun 10 20:45:23 <Sparks> jjmcd: It is different.
Jun 10 20:46:18 <jjmcd> </release-notes>
Jun 10 20:46:21 <Sparks> Okay... let's move on.
Jun 10 20:46:30 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on
Installation Guide <-- ke4qqq & rudi
Jun 10 20:46:49 <Sparks> rudi: Any updates on this? Looks like everything
hit on time!
Jun 10 20:46:57 <rudi> Well, now that F11 is out the door, I've got a whole
heap of bugs to work on
Jun 10 20:47:10 <rudi> I plan to have those done in the next week or so
Jun 10 20:47:52 <Sparks> Cool.
Jun 10 20:48:03 <rudi> So, we'll have a new edition shortly.
Jun 10 20:48:12 <Sparks> rudi: Congrats to you and ke4qqq for a great guide.
Jun 10 20:48:15 <rudi> Ta
Jun 10 20:48:28 <Sparks> Anything else?
Jun 10 20:48:29 <rudi> Got lots of great new stuff to come :)
Jun 10 20:48:37 <rudi> No -- that's it on the IG
Jun 10 20:48:42 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on
Security Guide <-- radsy & sparks
Jun 10 20:49:14 <Sparks> radsy: I need to convert some stuff from the wiki.
Anything else?
Jun 10 20:49:39 <radsy> nothing on sec guide really, i'm busy with selinux
services
Jun 10 20:51:08 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Status on
SELinux Guides <-- radsy
Jun 10 20:51:16 <Sparks> radsy: So tell us about the selinux guides.
Jun 10 20:51:33 <radsy> ok, user-guide has a couple of translations done
Jun 10 20:52:16 <radsy> my @redhat contact for the services guide wants
sendmail, postfix, spamassassin, clamav, squid, postgres, mysql, rsync, kvm
included in the thing, so that should keep me out of trouble for a while...
Jun 10 20:53:06 <Sparks> Good grief
Jun 10 20:53:24 <jjmcd> I'm glad you're writing it, I will look forward to
reading it
Jun 10 20:53:46 <radsy> currently thrashing about with VMs testing these
services out on F11
Jun 10 20:54:16 <Sparks> If I can get through my next milestone (in August)
then I might be able to give you a few hours per week to help do research or
whatnot if you need it.
Jun 10 20:55:13 <Sparks> Any other questions/comments on the SELinux guide?
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Jun 10 20:55:46 * Sparks has changed the topic to: Docs Project - Bugzilla
Component Changes
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sparks/BZ_and_Guide_Table]
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Jun 10 20:55:58 <Sparks> Okay, last topic of the night...
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Jun 10 20:56:19 <Sparks> Has everyone looked at the table I created on the
wiki?
Jun 10 20:56:25 <rudi> Did we skip the User-Guide?
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Jun 10 20:57:40 <Sparks> rudi: We did... did you have something for that?
Jun 10 20:58:15 <rudi> Just to say that it's up on docs.fp.o now, in
English, Bosnian, Spanish, and Dutch
Jun 10 20:58:25 <Sparks> So, I'd like to take those guides and move them
around according to that table.
Jun 10 20:59:03 <zoglesby> what table are you talking about?
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Jun 10 20:59:26 <Sparks>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sparks/BZ_and_Guide_Table
Jun 10 20:59:38 <Sparks> Can I get some +1s?
Jun 10 20:59:39 <zoglesby> I see no table
Jun 10 20:59:55 <zoglesby> at least I was on the page
Jun 10 21:00:08 <jjmcd> I have some reservations, only a few
Jun 10 21:00:33 <Sparks> zoglesby: Okay.. a list
Jun 10 21:00:37 <Sparks> jjmcd: speak!
Jun 10 21:00:39 <jjmcd> We need a translation guide, is there an
alternative?
Jun 10 21:00:56 <zoglesby> * translation-quick-start-guide - Helping
new translators get started quickly with Fedora translations.
Jun 10 21:01:17 <Sparks> The translators say they only use the one guide and
not the other two.
Jun 10 21:01:29 <jjmcd> If that is an adequate replacement, then no reason
for duplication
Jun 10 21:01:34 <jjmcd> Also, it seems to me we need something like a
beginner's guide
Jun 10 21:01:41 <rudi> I've just assisted converting the TQSG to Publican
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Jun 10 21:02:12 <Sparks> rudi: Cool
Jun 10 21:02:33 <rudi> jjmcd - the User's Guide is pretty much a beginner's
guide
Jun 10 21:02:42 <rudi> * User Guide
Jun 10 21:03:10 <jjmcd> I was thinking it might be a little heavy, should
take a closer look tho
Jun 10 21:03:37 <zoglesby> what kind of stuff are you thinking about jjmcd ?
Jun 10 21:04:09 <jjmcd> Well, I haven't looked at the UG in real depth, but
it seems like there is enough there to scare people away
Jun 10 21:04:26 <jjmcd> But I should really take a harder look before I say
that
Jun 10 21:04:27 <rudi> It shouldn't...
Jun 10 21:04:38 <jjmcd> I'm sure the desktop guide is well out of date
Jun 10 21:04:42 <rudi> If there's scary stuff there, the solution is to
rewrite or remove it
Jun 10 21:04:56 <rudi> Not to create another new book :)
Jun 10 21:05:13 <jjmcd> You don't think a beginner's guide is different from
a user's guide?
Jun 10 21:05:28 <jjmcd> (don't necessarily like the desktop name_
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Jun 10 21:05:46 <rudi> It may or may not be; depending who the User Guide is
pitched at and what it covers.
Jun 10 21:06:19 <rudi> This one covers "Common desktop tasks" and assumes
absolutely nothing (or that's the aim, at any rate)
Jun 10 21:06:25 <jjmcd> Can we come back to that one next week Sparks? The
others I have no issue with
Jun 10 21:07:02 <Sparks> Yep
Jun 10 21:07:07 <zoglesby> jjmcd: I see were you are coming from but I need
to read the UG cover to cover as well
Jun 10 21:07:08 <Sparks> No problem!
Jun 10 21:07:31 <jjmcd> Yeah, I think we want to work harder to be
accessible, but maybe we are
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Jun 10 21:08:27 <rudi> jjmcd - just to clarify, I strongly agree with you
that we need to have a doc to get people started with Fedora. I just want to
avoid manual proliferation if we can avoid it
Jun 10 21:08:41 <jjmcd> I agree with that rudi
Jun 10 21:08:51 <rudi> :D
Jun 10 21:09:17 <rudi> One doc not on the list is the Accessibility doc
Jun 10 21:09:37 <Sparks> rudi: It wasn't in BZ. :)
Jun 10 21:09:40 <jjmcd> seems like somewhere there used to be such a thing
Jun 10 21:09:51 <jjmcd> I think it may be in git
Jun 10 21:09:54 <rudi> Sparks - ah OK
Jun 10 21:10:14 <rudi> It is in git; and I converted it to Publican at the
same time I did the other "minor" docs
Jun 10 21:10:55 <Sparks> rudi: I can add that to BZ.
Jun 10 21:11:00 <zoglesby> were is the rpm-guide at? I don't see it on
docs.fedoraproject.org
Jun 10 21:11:15 <rudi> Sparks +1
Jun 10 21:11:28 <Sparks> I'd like to start exploiting BZ for keeping track
of our tasks.
Jun 10 21:11:30 <jjmcd> cool
Jun 10 21:11:32 <rudi> I think we need to get more eyes on it
Jun 10 21:11:42 <jjmcd> What goes in BZ and what goes in trac?
Jun 10 21:12:02 <Sparks> jjmcd: It's up to you.
Jun 10 21:12:06 <zoglesby> Sparks: I love the BZ, idea it got my attention
very fast
Jun 10 21:12:28 <Sparks> From what I understand... many people use Trac for
upstream stuff and BZ for customer issues
Jun 10 21:12:35 <Sparks> or something like that
Jun 10 21:12:48 <jjmcd> zoglesby, if it weren't so bloody sleaux
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Jun 10 21:13:28 <jjmcd> I've been playing with trac to ktrack some of out
PRB-1 stuff, not sure I like it as well as BZ, but at least you don't have
to wait forever
Jun 10 21:13:43 <jjmcd> sheesh the typing, must be getting late
Jun 10 21:14:11 <Sparks> Yeah
Jun 10 21:14:24 <zoglesby> i thought that bugzilla was going to be part of
the fedora community site, but they must have put that on hold
Jun 10 21:15:22 <jjmcd> Well, I don't see developers putting release notes
comments in trac, so that is a clue
Jun 10 21:15:34 <Sparks> jjmcd: But I can change massive amount of tickets
at one time! I have visability into everything Docs. (Everyone does)
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Jun 10 21:15:45 <Sparks> So from a planning point of view it makes my life
easier.
Jun 10 21:16:18 <jjmcd> yeah, I was somewhat confused by two similar
things... although trac does have this timeline concept that bz lacks
Jun 10 21:16:41 <Sparks> Yeah
Jun 10 21:17:14 <oshan> sorry but whats BZ?
Jun 10 21:17:19 <jjmcd> bugzilla
Jun 10 21:17:26 <oshan> oh thanks
Jun 10 21:17:46 <Sparks> So I'll probably be exploiting BZ in the near
future for items that are on our task lists.
Jun 10 21:18:10 <jjmcd> Makes sense. Perhaps when we get our heads around
zikula it will have something better
Jun 10 21:18:24 <jjmcd> but that seems in the distant future
Jun 10 21:18:37 <Sparks> yeah
Jun 10 21:18:41 <Sparks> Okay, anything else?
Jun 10 21:19:57 <Sparks> Anything else for the meeting?
Jun 10 21:20:15 <zoglesby> Anyone know the status of the SoC docbook editor?
Jun 10 21:20:40 <jjmcd> list chatter seems to have calmed down
Jun 10 21:21:11 <Sparks> I haven't heard anything.
Jun 10 21:21:36 <jjmcd> I just got another FSD-212 - no rest for the wicked
Jun 10 21:22:03 <Sparks> Anyone have anything else for the meeting?
Jun 10 21:22:16 <Sparks> 5
Jun 10 21:22:18 <Sparks> 4
Jun 10 21:22:22 <Sparks> 3
Jun 10 21:22:26 <Sparks> 2
Jun 10 21:22:29 <Sparks> 1
Jun 10 21:22:31 <Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming!
Jun 10 21:22:32 <Sparks> </meeting>
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14 years, 10 months
Guide table and BZ
by Eric Christensen
If you haven't updated the Guide Table[1] lately, please take a look at it
and see if you can provide any updates.
I'd also like to clean up the Fedora Documentation product in BZ. Currently
there are the following components:
- about-fedora - General project information for main menu.
- desktop-up2date - Keeping a desktop up-to-date using graphical tools.
- desktop-user-guide - User guide for those new to Linux and Fedora.
- developer-guide - Striving to be the canonical Fedora development
reference.
- docs-common - Common files and tools for documentation contributors.
- documentation-guide - The Guide is the canonical set of guidelines and
hotos for FDP contributors.
- example-tutorial - The canonical reference document for how to use
XML/DocBook for the FDP.
- ftp-server - Guide to set up a full ftp server.
- hardening - System hardening for Fedora Core 3.
- install-guide - Installation guide for Fedora
- jargon-buster - Striving to be the canonical glossary for all things
Fedora.
- mirror-tutorial - Mirroring and update services for Fedora.
- press-release - Stylesheets and build tools for Fedora press releases.
- proxy-guide - Building and maintaining a secure proxy server.
- readme-burning-isos - README for burning ISO images, included at
mirrors.
- readme-live-image - README for inclusion in Live ISO spins
- readme - README file for inclusion in ISO spins
- release-notes - Fedora release notes, bugs, and requests
- rpm-guide - RPM Guide
- selinux-apache - Using SELinux and Apache HTTP Server in Fedora
- selinux-faq - FAQs abut SELinux in Fedora.
- selinux-user-guide - User guide to SELinux in Fedora.
- software-management-guide - Software installation and maintenance on
systems.
- sudo-tutorial - Short tutorial on using sudo.
- toolchain-devel - For bugs and requests of the documentation tools.
- translation-guide - The canonical reference for translating all aspects
of the Fedora Project
- translation-guide-windows - Tutorial for translators working in a
Microsoft Windows environment.
- translation-quick-start-guide - Helping new translators get started
quickly with Fedora translations.
- updates - Tutorial for keeping a system up-to-date
- usb-hotplug - Using USB and hotplug
- xml-normalize - Development of XML normalization tools
As you can see there are quite a few components that are outdated. I'd like
to scrub the list this week so that I can have a list to present at next
week's meeting showing what we can discard and what we need to update.
If you own one of these projects please get with me (on IRC or otherwise),
soon. I need to verify the information that is on each of these components
including who should be assigned the ticket by default, who the QA is, and
who should be CC'd on the ticket.
If you need a component added to BZ, please let me know and we can get one
in there for you.
Thanks,
Eric
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Guides
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