Security Guide available in PDF
by Eric Christensen
I just created the Security Guide in PDF and posted it to docs.fp.o[1].
Along with the minor changes I made to Feedback.xml earlier today
everything should be up at the next sync period.
The index page should show HTML (en-US) and PDF (en-US) when everything
syncs so you can watch for that.
[1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/security-guide/
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Thanks,
Eric Christensen
Fedora Docs Project
Fedora Talk: 5102043 Phone: 919-424-0063 x 5102043
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14 years, 10 months
Fwd: Re: Checking isos with sha - small wrinkle
by Rahul Sundaram
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Checking isos with sha - small wrinkle
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:57:41 -0400
From: Todd Zullinger <tmz(a)pobox.com>
Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases
<fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com>
To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases
<fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com>
Mike Cloaked wrote:
> In the file README-BURNING-ISOS-en_US.txt that is currently being
> synced to mirrors it still refers to sha1sum.
That's as I would expect, since that advice applies to the current
stable release. Hopefully the docs team has an update queued to note
the use of sha256sum when F-11 is released.
14 years, 10 months
[Bug 504070] New: Update Fedora Documentation components in BZ
by Red Hat Bugzilla
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comments should be made in the comments box of this bug.
Summary: Update Fedora Documentation components in BZ
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504070
Summary: Update Fedora Documentation components in BZ
Product: Fedora Documentation
Version: devel
Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: medium
Priority: low
Component: project-tracking
AssignedTo: kwade(a)redhat.com
ReportedBy: mel(a)redhat.com
QAContact: kwade(a)redhat.com
CC: fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com
Classification: Fedora
Just beginning.
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14 years, 10 months
The current state of Zikula
by David Nalley
Just to provide a quick sitrep on Zikula:
Zikula is packaged, though I don't think that it is currently in a
state that infrastructure will find acceptable due to some bundled
libs that escaped the initial review. (Thanks to Toshio for pointing
this out). I have packaged the libraries that were missing from
Fedora's collection, and have an almost working package again. I say
almost as there is one library that has some potential licensing
issues (upstream thinks that it can just go away) and one of the
bundled libs is deprecated and now a php builtin in php5- so I'll
likely have to patch source for that.
The larger problem is that this issue appears to be pervasive. The
module Lukas has up for review [0] has 4 different libraries bundled
in it, 3 of which aren't currently in Fedora. (the 4th was one of the
packages I had to build to try and deal with this issue for Zikula
core). We are likely to find that this happens in all of the modules,
and is a larger packaging job than first envisioned. (up from around 8
modules needing packaged to 8 modules and x libraries, where x is
almost assuredly 10 or more.) The good news is that we aren't the
only ones running into this, and there has been some discussion this
morning on the fedora-devel list about how virtually all web
applications bundle libraries, and many of them are missing from
Fedora and hopefully we can build a list of what we need and work with
some of the other packagers who want some web apps included. . We may
even be albe to leverage the php-SIG to help with this. The upside is
that many of these libraries are relatively low hanging fruit to get
your 'packager badge'
Here are all of the modules we need for our instance:
Content
Version 3.0.3 - source tagged in SVN here:
http://code.zikula.org/content/browser/tags/version-3.0.3
This is already being worked on by Lukas
CoType
Version 1.0.0 - download here:
http://www.elfisk.dk/index.php?module=Folder&func=view&mode=folder.view&fold
erid=52 - the source is probably in SVN somewhere, but not sure where.
crpTag
I'd take the head: http://code.zikula.org/crptag/browser/trunk, but just in
case it is non functional perhaps we could package 0.1.3 too?
http://code.zikula.org/crptag/browser/tags/crpTag_0.1.3
MediaAttach
SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/mediaattach/browser/trunk/MediaAttach
mediashare
SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/mediashare/browser/trunk
menutree
Version 2.0.1: http://code.zikula.org/bianor/browser/tags/menutree/2.0.1
MultiHook
SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/multihook/browser/trunk/MultiHook
scribite
Version 3.1: http://code.zikula.org/scribite/browser/tags/scribite/3.1
Custom Modules (no public source (yet))
==============
FASAuth
FedoraDocs
Static_Docs
Custom Theme (no public source)
Simon: If you have source for FASAuth, Static_Docs, and FedoraDocs we
need to put that somewhere publicly accessible. I've created a
resources request[1] for a git repository to hold these modules, as
soon as it is created we can push that up.
[0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492091
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1439
14 years, 10 months
Release Announcement Ready for Translation
by Eric Christensen
Just wanted to drop you a note to say that the Release Announcement for
Fedora 11[1] is completed and if you guys wanted to try to translate it
for your local area... go for it. Paul stresses that you should adapt
it as necessary for your area.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Announcement_for_F11
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14 years, 10 months
Docs Meeting 20090604
by Zach Oglesby
Here is the log file for June 4, 2009's Docs meeting, summary will be out soon.
02:00 < Sparks> <meeting id="Docs Project">
02:00 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Welcome to the Docs Project Meeting -
Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
02:00 < Sparks> Roll Call!
02:00 * Sparks is here
02:00 * zoglesby is here
02:01 -!- jjmcd [n=jjmcd(a)75-134-169-186.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com] has joined #Fedora-meeting
02:02 * rudi is here
02:02 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster
02:03 * jjmcd .
02:04 < Sparks> zoglesby: Can you handle the log for tonight?
02:04 < zoglesby> I don't have logs...
02:05 < zoglesby> I can scroll and copy and paste
02:05 < zoglesby> unless someone can tell me how to log in irssi real fast
02:05 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk
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02:06 < Sparks> zoglesby: No, that's how you do it, I think.
02:06 < Sparks> Anyone else for the Docs Meeting?
02:06 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster
02:06 < zoglesby> Sparks: I can do it then
02:07 * Sparks wonders where everyone is tonight.
02:08 < jjmcd> Watching the Wings?
02:08 < Sparks> Maybe...
02:08 < Sparks> Well, let's get started..
02:08 * stickster is sorry he's late
02:08 < stickster> I can handle logs if needed.
02:09 < Sparks> stickster: Be a backup... I think zoglesby needs to practice... :)
02:09 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - [[FAD SELF 2009]] <-- ke4qqq
02:09 < zoglesby> ill do it, but I thought irssi had a log function
02:09 * stickster is apparently at the mercy of LAG
02:09 < stickster> Will do
02:09 < Sparks> Well... I don't know where ke4qqq is but I'll talk a little about FAD.
02:09 < stickster> It does, IIRC
02:10 < Sparks> SELF @ Clemson on Jun 13. The day after we will have a Docs FAD.
02:10 < stickster> /RAWLOG open <filename>
02:10 < Sparks> We will be looking heavily at F12 processes and how to improve them.
02:11 < stickster> Yay!
02:11 < Sparks> If you plan on attending please sign up at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_SELF_2009
02:11 * stickster will be there too, flight is not until ~5:30 or 6:00pm
02:11 < Sparks> Cool
02:11 < Sparks> Does anyone have any questions about SELF or the FAD?
02:11 < zoglesby> is there going to be a conf call number?
02:12 < jjmcd> 2008?
02:12 < Sparks> Yeah, I think so
02:12 * ke4qqq is here
02:12 < ke4qqq> but late
02:12 -!- adamw [n=AdamW(a)S010600226b8aa2ea.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
02:12 < Sparks> ke4qqq: Anything to add?
02:12 -!- spoleeba [n=one@fedora/Jef] has joined #fedora-meeting
02:13 < stickster> Who's responsible for setting up the call stuff?
02:13 < stickster> i.e. hardare
02:13 < ke4qqq> nothing here - you covered most of it
02:13 < stickster> *hardware, even
02:13 < ke4qqq> stickster: I am
02:13 < stickster> Do you need anything that I can help provide?
02:13 < ke4qqq> ianweller is also bringing his
02:13 < ke4qqq> yourself
02:13 < ke4qqq> and that's it
02:13 < stickster> :-) done!
02:13 -!- asgeirf_ [n=asgeirf(a)124-171-209-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the
connection]
02:14 < Sparks> Okay, anything else?
02:14 < ke4qqq> eof from me
02:14 < Sparks> ke4qqq: I'm assuming you'll send out an email or put something on the wiki about how
to remotely attend.
02:14 < ke4qqq> yeah I need to remmeber the conf number for docs
02:15 < ke4qqq> but yes we'll do that
02:15 < Sparks> 2008
02:15 -!- jsmith [n=jsmith@asterisk/training-and-documentation-guru/jsmith] has joined #fedora-meeting
02:15 < ke4qqq> in the next day or so
02:15 < Sparks> Cool
02:15 < Sparks> Okay, moving on...
02:15 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on
[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ CC] license discussion. <--quaid
02:15 < Sparks> Last week we started discussing changing our licensing from OPL to CC-BY-SA.
02:15 < Sparks> I don't think quaid is with us tonight, though, so I don't know what the status is.
02:16 < Sparks> Does anyone have any questions about the change?
02:16 < stickster> Were we waiting for something to be resolved regarding compatibility with internal
RH teams?
02:16 < Sparks> kinda
02:16 * stickster not sure what quaid is meant to answer, and would be happy to send some email
around to check on stuff
02:17 < Sparks> I think we were waiting to make sure everything was okay
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02:17 < Sparks> quaid said he was going to run with it within the RH community.
02:17 < ke4qqq> I think we were also waiting on which specific version of cc-by-sa RH Legal was going
to bless
02:17 < stickster> k
02:17 < stickster> Yeah, I'm sure there was some further Legal review required in there.
02:18 < Sparks> yeah... okay, anything else?
02:18 * stickster stands back and lets everyone do their thang
02:18 < Sparks> okay, moving on...
02:18 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on Release Notes <--
ryanlerch & jjmcd
02:18 < Sparks> jjmcd: So what's the status on the RN?
02:18 < jjmcd> We got an update today I think, still need to check more to be sure it isn't there in
different words
02:18 < jjmcd> but all on docs.fp.o
02:19 < Sparks> excellent.
02:19 < jjmcd> If change only en-US will make it to docs.fp.o for release
02:19 < Sparks> Yeah, I saw the update come through earlier.
02:19 < jjmcd> but rest will get through on an update
02:19 < jjmcd> we are now in a position where we can easily produce an update rpm
02:19 < Sparks> Have you already pushed the RPM up?
02:19 < jjmcd> from like a week ago
02:20 < stickster> That's the standard GA one, right?
02:20 < stickster> 11.0.0-2?
02:20 < jjmcd> Yeah
02:20 < jjmcd> 11.0.1 I thinlk
02:20 < jjmcd> 11.0.1 I think
02:20 < stickster> Ooo
02:20 < stickster> That's the zero day? Includes L10n?
02:20 < jjmcd> yes
02:20 < stickster> Wow, bonzer
02:20 < jjmcd> but if we have a REAL zero day
02:21 < jjmcd> I've also been working on linking to reduce space
02:21 < jjmcd> Recognized some odd things with yelp, still not sure whats going on there
02:21 < jjmcd> yelp documentation seems to be lacking
02:22 < jjmcd> We're not seeing icons in note, tip, etc
02:22 < jjmcd> But that appears to be yelp's to do, all we do is say, e.g. <tip>
02:22 < stickster> jjmcd: You and I probably need to collaborate on that so I can help you keep your
hair
02:23 < jjmcd> Works fine on 10, not on 11. But I'm not 100% certain that I've found all of yelp's
tentacles
02:23 < jjmcd> stickster, sounds like a plan
02:23 < Sparks> jjmcd: Anything else?
02:23 < jjmcd> No
02:23 < Sparks> anyone?
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02:24 < zodbot> Announcement from my owner (stickster): FESCo nominee town hall meeting at 0200 UTC
(~100 minutes from now) -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections#IRC_Town_Halls
02:24 < stickster> Me realizes "need" is a lot of assumption, maybe "could" is better :-)
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connection]
02:24 < jjmcd> '-)
02:24 < Sparks> Okay, moving on...
02:24 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on Release
Announcement <-- Sparks
02:24 -!- asgeirf_ [n=asgeirf(a)124-171-209-152.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #fedora-meeting
02:24 < Sparks> Thanks to everyone who helped out with the Announcement.
02:25 < Sparks> It has been tweaked, pounded, deleted, restored, and edited.
02:25 < Sparks> I think we are done with it. :) There are links to the RNs and to the Installation
Guide at the bottom so it's good for us.
02:25 < jjmcd> I just wish you guys could hear George Dobbs, G3RJV, talk.
02:25 < Sparks> jjmcd: Freq?
02:25 -!- joat [n=joat(a)ip70-174-79-200.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
02:25 < jjmcd> He's a British minister and sounds just like that
02:25 < Sparks> :)
02:26 < jjmcd> FDIM ;-)
02:26 < joat> whew!
02:26 < Sparks> Does anyone have any questions or comments on the Announcement?
02:26 < Sparks> Okay, moving on...
02:27 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Status on Installation Guide
<-- ke4qqq & rudi
02:27 < stickster> Did anyone let the translators know that they could run with it and abandon the
top part at will?
02:27 * stickster can't remember whether he remembered to fire something off on that or not.
02:27 -!- ldimaggi_ [n=ldimaggi(a)pool-96-252-14-181.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #fedora-meeting
02:27 < Sparks> Ummm... not from this office
02:27 < jsmith> I thought it was at the list...
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02:27 < jsmith> s/at the/on the/
02:27 < jjmcd> I thouhgt I saw something on l10n
02:27 < rudi> stickster
02:27 * stickster is busier than a one-legged man in a butt-kickin' contest and doesn't recall
02:28 < rudi> Ooops - I see you were commenting on the last topic, NM
02:28 < rudi> Install Guide is in translation - Italian now nearly complete
02:29 < jjmcd> rudi, thanks for helping Claudia
02:29 < rudi> Whole stack of changes and revisions to make after release :)
02:29 < stickster> Sparks: I don't see it on fedora-trans-list, could you send something out?
02:29 < rudi> jjmcd - NP. I like to lie in wait for new translators ;)
02:29 < Sparks> stickster: yeah, I will
02:29 < stickster> disco
02:30 * stickster notes that the top part is only (barely, arguably) funny in English and
translators are free to come up with their own material.
02:30 < Sparks> rudi and ke4qqq: Can we get the final draft of HTML and PDFs up on docs.fp.o no later
than Sunday?
02:30 < rudi> Sparks - NP
02:31 < rudi> Already good to go.
02:31 < Sparks> rudi: Cool. When you figure out where the PDF is going please let Admin know so they
can add it to the cache list.
02:31 < Sparks> rudi: Excellent.
02:31 < rudi> NP
02:31 < Sparks> Okay, anything else for the Installation Guide?
02:32 < rudi> Nope :)
02:32 < stickster> Thank you for working on that, guys
02:33 < Sparks> Okay... Now I need to bring up a topic that... well, is a little scary.
02:33 < Sparks> If you are sensitive to that kind of stuff, you should look away.
02:33 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Fedora 12... Only 152 days
to GA... <-- Sparks
02:33 < Sparks> Yes... Only 152 days until Fedora 12 is released.
02:33 < Sparks> and yes, we need to be looking at this now.
02:34 * jjmcd thought he cold wait until FUDcon to kick off F12 RN's
02:34 < stickster> Yay F12! Last key on the keyboard!
02:34 < Sparks> jjmcd: Actually the RNs for F12 are already started!
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02:34 < jjmcd> Yeah I saw that
02:34 < Sparks> stickster: What happens with F13? Are we skipping it for superstitious reasons?
02:35 < stickster> Nope, it's going to be named either "Keating" or "Eamon"
02:35 < rudi> Sparks - the USAF did :)
02:35 < stickster> Wait, that might not work.
02:35 < jjmcd> That will certainly be cornfusing on IRC
02:35 < stickster> Oops, I forgot about the whole voting thing :-)
02:35 < Sparks> stickster: Oh we can make that happen.
02:35 < rudi> How about F13 Stealth :)
02:36 < stickster> When f13's IRC starts buzzing him 24/7 I'm going to laugh, and laugh...
02:36 < Sparks> Oh that is good...
02:36 < Sparks> Yeah, he's going to have to change
02:36 < zoglesby> Sparks: what would you like to mention about this? Or just trying to wake us up and
get ready?
02:36 < stickster> I remember when he was a different nick, we'll see if he goes back to it. More
deponent sayeth not.
02:36 < jjmcd> I figured maybe that was his retirement release
02:37 < Sparks> So here's the real scary part...
02:37 < Sparks> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-summary-tasks.html
02:37 < Sparks> And here are things I want to work on...
02:37 < Sparks> Docs_decisions_for_F12 <-- we'll be working on this during FAD and we'll have answers
then
02:38 < Sparks> The Release Notes will be done in Publican
02:38 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_decisions_for_F12
02:38 < jjmcd> uitstekend!
02:38 < Sparks> as well as all the guides...
02:38 < Sparks> Okay, you can stop laughing now... I know we've said that every release for the past
few... but I'm serious now... kinda
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02:39 < Sparks> Release Notes will be done early and will be available by Oct 15 (not including
zero-day) <-- this one is for jjmcd
02:39 < jjmcd> With no alpha, are beta rn's going to be in n languages
02:39 < Sparks> We are going to have to get this stuff squared away. We got "lucky" by F11 being
pushed.
02:40 * stickster thinks it's vital that the team center on one toolset.
02:40 < Sparks> And not just us... folks were still providing changes.
02:40 < Sparks> not good
02:40 < Sparks> stickster: yes!
02:40 < Sparks> There will be no zero-day changes
02:40 < Sparks> Okay... maybe this is wishful thinking...
02:41 < Sparks> but we had way too many changes that seemed to trickle in
02:41 < jjmcd> And I think we are just about there. Didn't someone have the f-d-u stuff ported, just
waiting to push?
02:41 < Sparks> we need to get folks on the ball with this. Cattle prod or something.
02:41 < zoglesby> jjmcd: I think so
02:41 < jjmcd> Sparks, well, having ticklers on the schedule for notes to the lists will help
02:41 < zoglesby> Rlandmann did them
02:41 < Sparks> yes... and that will be something I'm going to talk about in a few minutes.
02:41 < jjmcd> That figures - that guy don't sleep
02:41 < Sparks> Translation issues must be taken into consideration
02:42 < Sparks> We had complaints from the translation teams and I understand their frustration. We
need to work with them on how to not make things harder for them.
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02:42 < jjmcd> Sparks, I think we need to be a lot more proactive on communicating to
fedora-trans-list
02:43 < jjmcd> as well as restructuring rn's
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02:43 < Sparks> And finally... All guides, other than Installation Guide, should be in Publican and
be pushed to docs.fp.o in HTML and PDF formats and should be packaged.
02:43 < zoglesby> this is all stuff thats going to be hammered out at FAD right?
02:44 < stickster> jjmcd: +1.
02:44 < Sparks> jjmcd: Yes!
02:44 < stickster> A lot of it is just sending periodic emails, a few times a week, and anytime you
want to change something.
02:44 < stickster> (during the freeze, that is)
02:44 < stickster> And more, it really should be soliciting opinions and getting +/-1 from the L10n
community.
02:45 < Sparks> stickster: And thank them a lot! They are doing a tough job.
02:45 < stickster> no kidding
02:45 < stickster> I don't know how they do it. Seriously.
02:45 < jjmcd> zoglesby, I am expecting you guys to work hard rather than spending all your time
eating fried chicken and greens
02:45 < stickster> mmmffwha-huh?
02:45 * jjmcd won't be at SELF :-(
02:45 < Sparks> fried chicken??? Where?
02:45 < stickster> If there is not some <expletive> good fried chicken in my belly on Sunday I will
be an unhappy camper.
02:46 < stickster> Or BBQ.
02:46 < zoglesby> jjmcd: I will not be there, to much money to fly from spain
02:46 < stickster> I can be flexible.
02:46 < Sparks> stickster: You can't get good BBQ over there...
02:46 < Sparks> you have to go east of I-95 in NC
02:46 < jjmcd> I was looking forward to ke4qqq's en-SC.po tho
02:46 * Sparks is hoping to stop by Gaffney, though.
02:47 < stickster> jjmcd: heh
02:47 < stickster> OK -- back to Sparks' last comment about packaging
02:47 < stickster> I like the idea of dropping the whole yelp/OMF thing and going with simple,
installable HTML that appears as a menu entry
02:48 < stickster> But we can hash this out at SELF I guess :-)
02:48 < rudi> +1 for HTML; which will be more KDE-friendly too
02:48 < jjmcd> I like the UI for yelp, the html is kind of a secret, altho a menu would help
02:48 < rudi> (or KDE-friendly at all, in fact ;)
02:49 < Sparks> +1
02:49 * jjmcd hadn't considered KDE
02:49 < jjmcd> od XFCE
02:49 < stickster> rudi: Interestingly, I had a special KDE khelpcenter installation handled in
fedora-doc-utils (originally docs-common)
02:49 < jjmcd> s/od/or
02:49 < rudi> jjmcd - nobody ever does :(
02:49 < stickster> But I couldn't get anyone to help me make sure I was Doing It Right
02:49 < rudi> No dirty GNOME on my machines! :)
02:49 < stickster> /KICKBAN rudi
02:50 < stickster> You'll have to forgive him, he lives in the upside down part of the world
02:50 < rudi> lolz
02:50 * stickster apologetically lets Sparks get on with it
02:51 < Sparks> No... I did that for one reason... spark discussion!
02:51 < zoglesby> stickster: you are mighty off topic today...
02:51 < jjmcd> Do we want to package pdf? And why not pdf instead of xml?
02:51 < jjmcd> errr html
02:51 < zoglesby> I think the pdf looks better
02:51 < Sparks> pdf is great for portable... html is better for searching via google or such
02:52 < Sparks> So I'd rather have... both!
02:52 < stickster> HTML is also more searchable from a variety of indexing utilities the person may
be using
02:52 < stickster> Two copies seems wasteful to me.
02:52 < jjmcd> I guess they should be packaged separately
02:52 < zoglesby> stickster: good point I don't use indexing tools
02:52 < stickster> Nothing wrong with that
02:53 * stickster points to diveintopython-* RPMs as examples
02:54 < jjmcd> Still, 1428 seems like a lot of rpms
02:54 < Sparks> Well... just note that we aren't going to have much down time for the F12 release.
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02:54 < stickster> jjmcd: wha-huh?
02:54 < jjmcd> 17 docs * 42 langs * 2 formats
02:54 < stickster> Ugh.
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02:54 < Sparks> but we can continue this conversation on F12 in coming weeks
02:55 < Sparks> Wow... That's a lot of packages
02:55 < stickster> jjmcd: I could see packaging all langs together
02:55 < Sparks> should we have them approved separately?
02:55 < stickster> *choke*
02:55 < jjmcd> Docs needs to grow some packagers
02:56 < zoglesby> I am slowly learning
02:56 < stickster> There is a special RPM variable that lets you drop locales; if you guys got with
the RPM developers you might be able to work something out the same way with
documentation RPMs.
02:56 < Sparks> Yeah, I think we are going to work on that @ Clemson
02:56 < zoglesby> but its all been haskeel stuff
02:56 < rudi> packaging all langs together would make for some big packages :) IIRC, over 100MB for
the Install Guide
02:56 < stickster> You guys know that /usr/share/locale has the translated messages for everything
you install, right?
02:57 < stickster> There are ways to silently drop out all the locales except your current one when
you install a RPM package
02:57 < stickster> Cuts down on disk space when it's tight.
02:57 < stickster> Actually, the more I think about it....
02:58 < stickster> I think that we ought to concentrate on establishing a presence where people can
manually install the documentation RPM they want.
02:58 < stickster> PackageKit makes it drop-dead easy point-and-click.
02:58 < jjmcd> exactly
02:58 < stickster> We do *not* want to put 1428 more RPMs in Fedora.
02:58 < stickster> That's just silly.
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02:58 < stickster> As always, this is just my $0.02
02:59 < stickster> I would think that we should put real muscle during the next 30 days after release
into getting Zikula off the ground.
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02:59 < Sparks> Yes!
02:59 < stickster> And one of the purposes that could serve would be to house the new docs.fp.o
02:59 < stickster> Including "pretty-fied" access to the new docs RPMs.
03:00 < stickster> There are a number of other things people want out of the Zikula CMS
03:00 < jjmcd> That would be way cool
03:00 < stickster> But none of it's going to happen unless we make it happen.
03:00 < stickster> Our current web publishing sucks rocks.
03:00 < jjmcd> I didn't say that
03:00 < stickster> haha
03:01 < stickster> It was "good enough" (for some value thereof) for Fedora Core 3, but this
community has come a *long* way since then.
03:01 < stickster> We've got to have something that is easier to run, easier to administer, and
easier to understand.
03:01 < zoglesby> are we still wating on packages or testing?
03:02 < Sparks> I think some parts are still waiting to be packaged
03:02 < stickster> ke4qqq: Any insight here?
03:02 < stickster> Can we make it a point *before* SELF to establish what's left to be done, and try
and do as much as possible of it there, after the decision tasks?
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03:03 < Sparks> Yeah, I'll get with ke4qqq and get a list
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03:04 < Sparks> Okay, anything else on these topics?
03:04 * stickster is really hot to get *something* off the ground so we can get to work on this
03:04 < zoglesby> indeed
03:05 < stickster> I installed it on my local box and tried it out, it was pretty easy to run and I
was thoroughly impressed.
03:05 < Sparks> Okay, let's move on to the last few topics.
03:05 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Bugzilla Component Changes
03:05 < Sparks> I sent an email out to the list earlier today.
03:06 < Sparks> It contains a list of all the components of Docs in BZ
03:06 < jjmcd> wits a lot of docs which would be really cool to have
03:06 < Sparks> At next week's meeting we'll figure out which ones to dump.
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03:06 < jjmcd> Sparks, I smell an opportunity
03:06 < Sparks> jjmcd: Yes and this is a good time to pull those out, dust them off, and get some of
our new members involved.
03:07 < jjmcd> exactly
03:07 * mchua apologizes for tardiness
03:07 < stickster> mchua!!!!1!!
03:07 < zoglesby> what bug do you speak of?
03:07 < jjmcd> It can be pretty low pressure but with a lot of flexibility
03:07 < Sparks> zoglesby: Not a bug... the components that break out the docs on BZ
03:08 < zoglesby> I think i found the email
03:08 < jjmcd> BZ = military speak for Bugzilla, but you knew that
03:08 * zoglesby looks at my pants
03:08 < zoglesby> still in the military...
03:08 < jjmcd> AF might not talk the same as the Navy tho
03:09 < Sparks> zoglesby: I didn't realize the AF was still considered a military group.
03:09 < zoglesby> nope I don't go to the head
03:09 < zoglesby> I am not going to defend them...
03:10 < Sparks> okay, I'm not harrassing my AF buddies now
03:10 < jjmcd> Why do I get the feeling that zoglesby ain't gonna be a lifer
03:10 < Sparks> SO, who NEEDS/WANTS a BZ component for their project?
03:10 < zoglesby> I do
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03:10 < zoglesby> I have been working on readme-burning-isos to make it foss only
03:11 * Sparks thought that was already in BZ
03:11 < jjmcd> I think there is a component for that
03:11 < Sparks> zoglesby: I can assign it to you.
03:12 < rudi> zoglesby - when you're done with those, can you shoot me the updated verson so I can
incorporate it into my Publicanized version of the doc?
03:12 < stickster> zoglesby: Hang on, did you mean you're *removing* instructions for how people can
use their existing proprietary software to try, and switch to, Fedora?
03:12 < rudi> (Heh... or not...)
03:12 < zoglesby> nero and such are not parts of windows
03:12 < jjmcd> stickster, I think a lot of what was there was old stuff
03:13 < zoglesby> and you cant include every application out there
03:13 < stickster> zoglesby: You're absolutely right, but Nero is also shipped with a *ton* of
hardware by default
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03:13 < stickster> zoglesby: Can you include a single section for "Other software," where you try to
make instructions that are generic enough to work for most other apps that people
can't get for free?
03:14 < stickster> Many people will have pre-installed software from OEMs and we don't want to leave
them out in the cold
03:14 < zoglesby> we talked about this before in #docs but we can talk about it again there after this
03:14 < rudi> True - it's rare to see a Windows box out there *without* Nero or Sonic on it...
03:14 < jjmcd> Of course, with newer versions of Windows you don't need that stuff anymore, and I'm
not so sure I've seen it with any recent drives
03:14 < stickster> ok, we don't need to derail here
03:14 * stickster &
03:14 < stickster> jjmcd: good point
03:14 * stickster is happy as long as we can cover whatever comes free with other big-market-share OS
03:15 < Sparks> zoglesby: Would you like tickets for that to go to you?
03:15 < stickster> and some appropriate free aps
03:15 < stickster> *apps
03:15 < zoglesby> indeed
03:15 < zoglesby> to both of you...
03:15 < Sparks> Okay...
03:16 < Sparks> zoglesby: Do you have an editor?
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03:16 < zoglesby> an editor? like emacs? or a person?
03:17 < Sparks> a person
03:17 < Sparks> If not... I'll put myself as QA
03:17 < zoglesby> not that I know of
03:17 < Sparks> ok
03:17 < stickster> yay Emacs!
03:17 < Sparks> We haven't done that in a while.
03:18 * Sparks is proud of stickster for standing up for Emacs on FLOSS Weekly
03:18 < Sparks> :)
03:18 < zoglesby> indeed again
03:18 < zoglesby> emacs comes up a lot of that show
03:18 < Sparks> okay... anything else on the BZ stuff?
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03:19 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Calendar
03:19 < Sparks> Okay... I want a calendar.
03:19 < zoglesby> me to
03:20 < Sparks> I'm thinking about just posting a ical file, or something like that, to docs.fp.o and
giving everyone read access.
03:20 < Sparks> Would that be helpful?
03:20 < Sparks> It would be the Docs calendar... helpful reminders of deadlines, meetings, events,
etc.
03:20 < zoglesby> works for me
03:21 < zoglesby> but ideally something with controlled write access would be nice
03:21 < jjmcd> Why not in git so anyone can maintain it
03:21 < stickster> eventually to be subsumed by Zikula also :-)
03:21 < Sparks> jjmcd: We could. I'm trying to come up with a solution
03:21 < Sparks> Zikula has a calendaring function...
03:22 < jjmcd> If Zikula is doing it for us, then maybe a wiki page in the interim
03:22 < Sparks> jjmcd: The only problem with a wiki page is that it won't incorporate into a calendar
I automatically stare at daily
03:23 * Sparks thinks this would be a similar problem
03:23 < Sparks> I mean, there are already release calendars out there that I forget to look at.
03:23 < stickster> don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
03:23 < stickster> An iCal on a site is a start
03:23 < stickster> and can probably be imported to Zikula later
03:24 < Sparks> Any other ideas?
03:24 < zoglesby> buy google and open source google apps?
03:25 < stickster> heh
03:25 < jjmcd> google calendar sucks swanp water
03:25 < Sparks> Whose to say it isn't open source... has anyone asked?
03:25 < stickster> It's not
03:25 * Sparks likes google calendar
03:25 < stickster> The API is open, that's it.
03:25 < Sparks> Okay... so I'm going to work on an iCal and attempt to figure out the best way of
doing it
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03:26 < Sparks> Okay, moving on...
03:26 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - New Guide - Where's the
source?
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03:27 < Sparks> To help people get to our source files I want to build a small guide that helps point
people to where they can obtain source files.
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03:28 < Sparks> It's on the wiki right now. If anyone would like to adopt this and move it into
Publican please let me knwo.
03:28 < Sparks> It would be an excellent project for a new member
03:28 * stickster wonders if Publican may not be necessary for this one, since the need for formal
publication is probably pretty low
03:29 < Sparks> stickster: My want was to get it on docs.fp.o
03:29 < zoglesby> keep it on the wiki?
03:29 < stickster> Yes
03:29 < Sparks> But it could be kept on the wiki... it's just easier to get buried there
03:29 < stickster> Because the wiki is more or less the center for development efforts
03:29 < Sparks> and forgotten
03:29 < stickster> We could solve that with clever linking though :-)
03:30 < stickster> Essentially, no document on the wiki is important unless you do that.
03:30 < stickster> What makes wiki documents *not* forgotten is that you refer to it often :-)
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03:30 * stickster notes that there is a landing target he just found on the wiki:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development
03:30 < stickster> I'd *totally* link to this new "Get the Source, Luke" page from there.
03:31 < Sparks> Cool
03:31 < stickster> that [[Development]] page is also linked from here:
03:31 < stickster> http://redhat.com/developers/
03:31 < Sparks> I'm good with keeping it on the wiki as long as it stays visable
03:32 < stickster> I think if you publicize its existence, you won't have any problems with that ;-)
03:32 < Sparks> Cool
03:32 < stickster> Plenty of people will start linking to it, blogging, etc.
03:32 < Sparks> Any questions or comments?
03:32 < stickster> It's so obvious, it's a wonder we don't have it yet!
03:32 < zoglesby> and if we are wrong we move it later
03:32 < stickster> Sure, nothing's written in stone in the end.
03:33 < stickster> I just think moving things to Publican makes them less likely to be contributed to
by people outside this group
03:33 < Sparks> stickster: yeah, it just hit me the other day... It's almost like you were speaking
to me on a subconscious level
03:33 < stickster> That's OK for formal docs that need intense scrutiny
03:33 < Sparks> Okay, let's keep it on the wiki
03:33 < Sparks> and do some linking
03:34 < zoglesby> it would be helpful for other to add stuff, we are bound to forget someones project
03:34 * Sparks makes a note to blog about it
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03:36 < Sparks> anything else on this?
03:36 < Sparks> okay... last thing
03:36 -!- Sparks changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs Project - Go over task table
03:37 < Sparks> I want to make this task table more comprehensive and complete.
03:37 < Sparks> right now we have task lists and tables all over the place and they aren't being
updated
03:37 < Sparks> Please take a look at the table and update it if you have something on there.
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03:38 < Sparks> Anyone have any questions?
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03:39 < Sparks> Okay, does anyone have anything else about anything?
03:39 < stickster> heh
03:39 < mchua> Sparks: I'm also trying (now that I've read through a BZ tutorial) the "what if we
used the BZ project-tracking component" experiment
03:40 < mchua> on the theory that it may be easier to keep up with one bz instance than with N
separate wiki tables (either that or I'll just form the habit of actually using
bookmarks)
03:40 < Sparks> That's an idea
03:40 < mchua> and was curious if anyone had any thoughts on the notion (do people not like keeping
tasks in bz? have wikitables worked really, really well before?)
03:41 < Sparks> Maybe if we turned "nag" on in BZ it would be better.
03:42 < mchua> what would that do? autoemail you when tickets update?
03:43 < Sparks> I think it emails you weekly with tasks that you have open
03:43 < mchua> Ooh. Handy.
03:43 < Sparks> Yeah
03:44 * stickster wonders who gets lined up against the wall and shot first when every Red Hat
engineer sees 328 new BZ emails every Monday morning
03:44 < stickster> Thankfully, I'm remote. But there are a lot of people in the Westford office that
I like, and would miss!
03:44 < Sparks> stickster: I think it's a summary if I remember correctly
03:44 < stickster> o_O
03:45 < stickster> Can such a feature be opt-in?
03:45 < Sparks> I think you get a single email, weekly, with a list of your current tickets
03:45 < Sparks> I don't remember
03:46 < stickster> mchua: I'm in favor of simplify
03:46 < stickster> See right there? I could have typed "simplicity" but "simplify" was SHORTER.
03:46 < zoglesby> lol
03:47 < stickster> Historically we had a tough time getting Docs people to dig BZ
03:47 < stickster> But this is a very different Docs group these days.
03:47 < ricky> If you're thinking bugzilla for task tracking, have you looked at trac?
03:47 < stickster> ricky: I think the idea was that if other people are already filing docs bugs in
BZ, what about tracking there too.
03:47 < zoglesby> we have a trac instance for every doc on fh.o
03:48 < stickster> Yeah, and that could be disabled and people diverted to BZ if we like
03:48 < ricky> Ah. Is the trac instance usually linked from the doc?
03:48 < stickster> Not yet
03:49 * mchua notes that based on http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.20/html/whining.html and
http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/tip/en/html/groups.html, it seems like people can opt-in to bz
whining. attempting now.
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03:50 < Sparks> mchua: Let's finish this conversation over in #fedora-docs
03:50 * mchua nods
03:50 < Sparks> Okay, anything else before we spill over into hour three?
03:51 < Sparks> 5
03:51 < Sparks> 4
03:51 < Sparks> 3
03:51 < Sparks> 2
03:51 < Sparks> 1
03:51 < Sparks> Thanks everyone for coming!
03:51 < Sparks> </meeting>
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Introduction
by Lee Brewer
Good morning.
My name is Lee Brewer and I've been a Fedora user since version 7 when I
was at Nuvox. I met David Nalley and a recent UCLUG.org meeting and
after talking with him for a while he asked if I would be interested in
joining the docs team. I currently work for the imaging division of
Sharp Electronics and would loke to work on printing in a Linux
environment, which I myself have struggled with on occasion.
What I'm hoping to get out of this is to show as many people as possible
how easy it is to move from Micro$oft to Linux.
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