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Fedora 12 Beta Release Notes: How you can help
by Rahul Sundaram 03 Sep '09

03 Sep '09

Hi, As I noted in the last marketing meeting could have done a better than with the release notes for the Alpha release than we did. I just ran out of time. The Beta release is schedule at 2009-10-13. So we don't really have too much time. As promised, here are more details. The Beta release notes is a important source of information for our users, testers, ambassadors, even fellow developers and press for that release. So I am asking you all to help you a bit. Here is how: I have "open sourced" my process of finding information and my notes and copied over all that information to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Beta_release_notes If you don't have much time, take one item in this list and add more information. I will also help you avoid even clicking on a link and copy the same information below: Quick notes: * Hybrid ISO - earlier revision in Alpha release notes history. Confirm that it works well before adding it here * Status of http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/ in Fedora? How well does it work? * Moblin - Explain in detail with potentially a screencast * GNOME Shell - Ogg Screencast possibly with voice over * Yum Presto - In GNOME and KDE groups. What about delta rpm generation? * http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/ClientSideWindows - Eclipse and Adobe Reader needs a workaround * Abrt - whats the status? * Anaconda MDRaid - Explain in detail * Lower Process Capabilities * Contact KDE SIG and gather important changes. Phonon has changed to gstreamer backend in Alpha release and was not mentioned. So call it out in the Beta release. Additional sources: * Look at F11 Preview release notes and use it as a template. It matches the beta this release because of rel eng decision to tweak the release process a bit * Read rawhide reports in between alpha and beta release for new packages as well as import changes worth noting here * Quickly skimp through all threads in fedora-devel and fedora-test list for note worthy changes * Read Planet Fedora and reference developer blogs when important changes are mentioned * Consult with QA team and make sure note worth issues are mentioned. If anything needs explicit testing, highlight it * More details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList. Read the release notes section of each of the approved feature Thanks. Rahul

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Out of town for this week's meeting
by Eric Christensen 01 Sep '09

01 Sep '09

I'll be out of town this week during the meeting time. Can I get a volunteer to direct the meeting? --Eric

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Docs Meeting 2009-08-26 IRC Log
by Eric Christensen 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 00:02:47 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:02:47 Meeting started Thu Aug 27 00:02:47 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:02:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:02:54 #topic Roll Call 00:02:55 * Sparks 00:03:38 * rudi is here 00:03:56 * itbegins here 00:05:18 * Sparks wonders where everyone is today 00:06:24 * laubersm is here 00:07:05 Okay, lets get started... 00:07:11 #topic Last week's action items 00:07:23 Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm 00:07:31 Finally done. 00:07:43 Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm 00:07:48 Still in progress 00:07:56 #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki 00:08:08 quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme 00:08:13 quaid: You around? 00:08:42 I know Mo has been working on the Zikula theme. I'm sure this is in progress. 00:08:56 rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 00:09:10 rudi: Got an update? 00:09:21 We're still a few steps away from that 00:09:26 * ianweller rolls in 00:09:45 I can report a little on the theme, depending on what you want to knwo 00:10:04 rudi: Okay, I'll put it down for next week so we can talk about it again. 00:10:11 Yep 00:10:14 #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 00:10:18 ianweller: Go 00:10:40 about my part of it? the writing up of the announcement? 00:11:32 Sparks: hi? 00:11:42 the theme 00:11:48 oh for zikula 00:12:05 hmm i'm not sure what i need to say, other than taht school is eating me alive 00:12:14 * ianweller wasn't sure he had anything assigned for zikula right now 00:12:37 Sparks: You mean me? 00:12:39 ianweller: Opps.. sorry 00:12:46 itbegins: Yeah, I meant you. sorry 00:12:49 quaid: yep, zikula theme is all rolling for FI 00:12:55 * Sparks is not doing a good job of multitasking tonight 00:13:05 * quaid either 00:13:07 mizmo is in progress on the theme: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/ 00:13:17 and Zikula is getting rolled out to staging 00:13:35 and things are prepared in the repo (ideally) so she can have related Docs theme in there to make a Docs-specific RPM of the theme (AIUI) 00:13:44 or I'm confused and it's all going to run from one instance, one theme 00:14:06 quaid: One filesystem instance, mutliple databases -> multiple themes 00:14:21 I think I'm confused; that was my old idea, but Paul said we'll likely all be on the same instance 00:14:36 i.e turning on docs.fedoraproject.org Zikula is a case of installing a few new packages and updating the config file 00:14:50 ok 00:15:34 Okay, we'll come back to Zikula in a little bit for a more indepth discussion. 00:15:45 quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. 00:15:50 quaid: Got an update on this? 00:17:16 ;/me sneaks in late... 00:17:26 quaid: hello? 00:18:48 Okay, quaid must have rushed off... 00:18:59 Any more old business? 00:19:06 #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. 00:19:29 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) 00:19:44 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:19:58 itbegins: So what is the status on rolling out Zikula for docs.fp.o? 00:20:24 Sparks: well, we're still waiting on those modules held up with license problems I think 00:20:43 Sparks: but marketing have kindly packaged a couple of modules we can use for the docs instance too. 00:20:50 Sadly not the blockers for the docs instance 00:21:14 I think we both need at least one editor to go with Scribite. 00:21:28 * Sparks hasn't had any time to even look at packaging one of those. 00:21:37 yes,that's true 00:22:16 Sparks: sorry, phone call 00:22:23 do you want to hear about the CC logos? 00:22:53 quaid: That will be the next topic 00:23:02 itbegins: Okay so we are close but not there 00:23:17 itbegins: Does marketing have everything they need to roll out their instance? 00:24:21 apart from a visual editor, probably 00:24:24 after a last minute scramble with chitlesh++, bobjensen++, toshio++ getting a few last minute packages done last night/today 00:24:26 though things may still come up 00:24:34 oh! no visual editor? heh heh 00:25:24 So we need one of the editors packaged 00:25:32 anyone want to stand up to take that task? 00:26:52 * danielsmw can try if no body else will, but he's never successfully packaged anything... 00:27:25 danielsmw: Well, this would be a good time to start being successful... there are templates for the SPEC and everything 00:27:25 Also I haven't been involved in this process at all so far 00:27:40 Sparks: Alright, well... 00:27:48 I suppose I can give it a shot and report back next week. 00:28:19 danielsmw: I'm sure ianweller or someone will be around to help 00:28:35 #action danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite 00:28:46 Okay, anything else on Zikula? 00:29:04 * quaid notes Beacon was accepted for F10/F11 00:29:13 but I guess it's not integrated? 00:29:18 danielsmw: Try pinging Toshio, he is involved with Zikula packaging 00:29:20 * danielsmw really likes beacon, btw. 00:29:22 quaid: And Beacon is the DocBook editor? 00:29:24 itbegins: Will do 00:29:27 Sparks: yep 00:29:45 Sparks: well, it's a web wysiwyg editor that now has upstream code to read/write docbook :) 00:29:48 Yeah, we need to get that integrated 00:30:17 satya has it running on a publictest instance, we can look at how to use it plain, too 00:30:22 * quaid is wandering topics now 00:31:02 Okay, let's move on. Lots of work to be done on Zikula but things are starting to come together 00:31:14 #topic Status on CC license rollout. 00:31:22 quaid: So what's the skinny on the CC logos? 00:31:53 ok 00:31:59 I read and read that page 00:32:03 http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00075.html 00:32:16 and it's clear that the ball is in Richard's court with folks from Creative Commons 00:32:36 And we haven't heard back from him on this, yet. 00:32:37 it only having been a few weeks ... and he being a proactive and busy guy ... I think we have our clear answer for now 00:32:44 and will hear when there is something more 00:33:10 ianweller: Do you have the text for the wiki? 00:33:28 I would put this on the back-burner; don't forget about it, but revisit if a month goes by, then prod for a status. 00:33:44 so ... a few more weeks at least, then see if we can kindly get a status. :) 00:33:54 Well, we can go ahead with the change over, use the text version of the license, and change later as necessary 00:33:58 * danielsmw has to go, sorry for the short visit. 00:33:59 yes 00:34:02 ciao danielsmw 00:34:06 au revoir. 00:34:07 danielsmw: Have a good day! 00:34:11 Sparks: Thanks! 00:34:41 #action ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved 00:35:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:35:17 ^^^ That is the timeline if anyone would like to take a peek at it. 00:35:56 I guess we are still waiting on the text being approved and then we can move on to step 4. 00:36:27 rudi: So what needs to happen to get the license changed in Publican for step 6? 00:37:19 The people involved in doc publishing could do it at any time by hacking their Publican 0 installs 00:38:12 rudi: Yeah, but I want to push it to everyone. That way there is 1) no confusion, 2) no differences, 3) and everyone does it. 00:38:44 I think it's unlikely that any more changes are forthcoming to brand packages for 0 00:38:52 since 1 handles brands so differently. 00:39:28 (And we're not quite up to testing brands in 1) 00:40:02 Well, that's a problem. 00:40:17 If 1 isn't out then 0 still needs to be supported 00:40:19 um, hmm 00:40:26 Not really; there are very few people actually publishing 00:40:36 is there any technical reason not to change brand pkg for 0? 00:40:49 it's just text strings, right? 00:41:05 and I'm quite happy to wrap those notices up in the package that I've got parked on my Fedora people page. 00:41:10 quaid -- correct. 00:41:18 No technical reason 00:41:22 Well if we get new people in we should be able to say "install publican" not "install publican and then do all these changes before you can use it" 00:41:29 rudi: is CS waiting to rebuild RHEL guides with the new license until 1.x handles brands? 00:41:32 * ianweller notes his action item and makes a sticky note 00:41:39 ianweller: Thank you 00:41:56 rudi: Can you adopt the brand and just make the changes there? 00:42:04 rudi: Or one of us? 00:42:25 Sparks - I can check into that. 00:42:28 does publican need a co-maintainer for the package? 00:42:38 * Sparks thinks 1.x should be released as publican-devel 00:42:53 -devel has a specific meaning, though 00:43:10 or was that a joke! 00:43:23 rudi: I'm not saying anything bad about Jeff... I know he's busy and he has this new tool he's putting a lot of effort into. But we still need the old tool to work for now. 00:43:25 because if it was, very funny! just don't tell it to jfearn if you are on the same continent. 00:43:46 quaid: I thougth -devel was for the development version of a package... a beta 00:43:51 nope 00:43:57 Sparks: -devel is development headers 00:44:00 yep 00:44:03 in C, those would be the .h files 00:44:06 Sparks -- yeah, but "work" for about three people :) 00:44:22 Sparks: and Publican was originally proposed as 'docs-devel', with much arguing about why that wasn't OK and such 00:44:58 rudi: sorry, where is the approv text for the license page? or proposed-and-under-review? 00:45:00 Well... I don't know. I'd like it to be in the repos... :) 00:45:28 rudi: it's not the people count, it's the F12 release 00:45:35 we have a dependency on a workingn tool for the F12 release 00:45:43 quaid -- proposed and review version is here : http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/ 00:45:54 we've had a rocky time for three releases with Publican feature status 00:46:06 The source is in the Publican repo already 00:46:20 and I thought with RHEL content upstream out here using Publican, it would work for Fedora :) 00:48:06 Sparks: well, there is no moving backward for now, so if Publican upstream isn't going to issue an update we can use, we'll have to do manual process around it again. 00:48:47 * Sparks thinks hijacking the package is an option... :) 00:48:50 quaid: Yeah 00:48:52 (Fedora *is* the Publican upstream) 00:49:13 Okay, anything else on the license changeover? 00:49:25 what is the reason for not pushing the brand update? 00:51:30 * quaid wonders if he has bad breath? 00:51:49 rudi: ^^^ 00:52:31 sorry, I haven't been reading publican-list; you can tell me to read the archives, if that's it 00:52:39 Basically that energies are elsewhere at the moment 00:53:09 can we have a packager apply to be co-maintainer? 00:53:19 we can get some help to do the work, if that's the block. 00:53:43 I'll ask :) 00:53:47 https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/branches/0.45/publican-fedora/en-… is the old stuff 00:54:22 sparks, stickster, ke4qqq, or ianweller would all be good choices 00:54:53 Yes, because the new is here: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/trunk/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal… 00:55:36 what's the bz for this? 00:56:34 For what? 00:57:12 the bz for publican-fedora requesting the license update 00:57:42 I don't know that there is one 00:57:44 Might not be 00:57:54 heh, ok 00:58:05 rudi: thanks, that XML was helpful; I'm building a book I want to be clearly under the CC 00:58:19 NP 00:58:50 rudi: and many thanks for working on the update of the content 00:58:51 If it's your own book, you might want to include the CC logo too ;) 00:59:09 * quaid is doing a Red Hat branded book, so knows the answer to that already 00:59:10 I know I would :) 00:59:14 Ah OK :) 00:59:49 NO CC LOGO IN PRINT!!! :) 01:00:33 Okay... anything else on this topic? 01:01:04 Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 01:01:16 #Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 01:01:20 * quaid thinks he can do that? 01:01:49 Let me test the waters first :) 01:02:30 Okay, lets move on to the last few topics so we can wrap things up for the day 01:02:39 #topic Guide needs? 01:02:48 Does anyone need anything for their guide? 01:03:14 #topic New Guides 01:03:22 How about new guides? Any of them? 01:04:22 Okay, there is a new guide in the works... 01:05:12 there will be an Amateur Radio Guide coming out discussing the various pieces of software in Fedora for hams 01:05:24 Any others? 01:05:51 #topic All other business 01:06:01 * laubersm is available for proofreading 01:06:06 Okay, anything else for the meeting? 01:06:09 I have lots of little sturts of time 01:06:15 I have very little predictable time 01:06:29 But ping me and I am happy to review materials... 01:06:30 laubersm: Yeah... understood 01:06:33 Thanks! 01:06:35 I know RN is coming up fast 01:06:47 and IG and UG for example 01:07:23 Thanks laubersm -- I'll be needing you :) 01:07:33 are the guides using Trac for one-task-per-chapter? 01:07:46 there is a workflow we can impose there, with writer owning then passing to an open editor 01:07:51 it's manual ... 01:08:36 Each chapter would be in its own file 01:08:53 The AR Guide will be in git 01:10:08 Anything else? 01:11:24 Okay, thanks everyone for coming tonight! 01:11:27 #endmeeting -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.7) iEYEARECAAYFAkqV3ZYACgkQfQTSQL0MFMEwhgCgyIVs7mVPpWg8C+5NYr04hMFd lgAAnRs42hyuiolykUm+FvNsetds0eO4 =q8W5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Docs Meeting 2009-08-27 Summary
by Eric Christensen 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 =================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings =================================================================================================== Meeting started by Sparks at 00:02:47 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-08-27/fedora-meeting.2… . Meeting log - ----------- * Roll Call (Sparks, 00:02:54) * Last week's action items (Sparks, 00:07:11) * ACTION: Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki (Sparks, 00:07:56) * ACTION: rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 (Sparks, 00:10:14) * ACTION: quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. (Sparks, 00:19:06) * Status on CMS (Zikula) (Sparks, 00:19:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status (Sparks, 00:19:44) * ACTION: danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite (Sparks, 00:28:35) * Status on CC license rollout. (Sparks, 00:31:14) * LINK: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00075.html (quaid, 00:32:03) * ACTION: ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved (Sparks, 00:34:41) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule (Sparks, 00:35:03) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/branches/0.45/publican-fedora/en-… is the old stuff (quaid, 00:53:47) * ACTION: -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 (quaid, 01:01:16) * Guide needs? (Sparks, 01:02:39) * New Guides (Sparks, 01:03:14) * All other business (Sparks, 01:05:51) Meeting ended at 01:11:27 UTC. Action Items - ------------ * Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki * rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 * quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. * danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite * ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved * -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * danielsmw * danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite * ianweller * ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved * quaid * quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. * rudi * rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 * -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0 * Sparks * Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * Sparks (93) * quaid (61) * rudi (28) * itbegins (14) * danielsmw (10) * ianweller (9) * laubersm (7) * zodbot (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.3 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.7) iEYEARECAAYFAkqV3ckACgkQfQTSQL0MFMEPFQCgjafAbn28Im2dakE5qzZmkwjz ZNAAoMGwDNW9c794VJLGGSGqG8XCmwLR =4kbY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Docs Meeting 2009-08-20 IRC log
by Eric Christensen 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

00:02:48 <Sparks> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings 00:02:53 <Sparks> #topic Roll Call 00:02:54 * Sparks 00:03:29 * rudi is here 00:03:40 * ianweller 00:04:16 * quaid too 00:06:32 <quaid> hail hail etc. 00:06:42 * Sparks waits a few more seconds for folks 00:07:05 <Sparks> #topic Last week's action items 00:07:11 <Sparks> Okay... this should be interesting... 00:07:53 <Sparks> Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them. -- Second Alarm 00:08:16 <Sparks> Okay, I sent a message to the News folks and didn't really hear anything back from them, IIRC. 00:08:32 <Sparks> I think they'll be set with what we're planning. 00:08:51 <Sparks> rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license -- Second Alarm 00:09:03 <quaid> I agree, Marketing is finding it sufficient with similar needs, I reckon. 00:09:10 <Sparks> rudi: That is pretty much ready to go, correctly? 00:09:24 <Sparks> errr... correct? 00:09:28 * quaid rubs his hands gleefully 00:09:34 <rudi> Sparks -- yes. I have a draft that legal is happy with 00:09:50 <Sparks> rudi: Excellent. Let's push forward with that, then. 00:10:10 <Sparks> Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula -- Second Alarm 00:10:18 <Sparks> Okay, I haven't had a chance to even think about that. 00:10:29 <Sparks> Can someone pick this task up for me? 00:11:20 <Sparks> We don't actually need all three packaged but it would be nice as a long term goal. We do need one of them packaged, though. 00:12:25 <Sparks> #action Sparks to send an email to the list to pass this task on. 00:12:40 <Sparks> #action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide 00:12:55 <rudi> Sparks -- I have some news there 00:13:02 <Sparks> rudi: Go ahead 00:13:33 <rudi> I have approval from Red Hat legal to share the bulk of our external Style Guide 00:13:57 * itbegins is here now 00:14:06 <quaid> rudi: srsly? 00:14:21 <Sparks> Very cool 00:14:23 <rudi> So I have agreed to put together a subset of it for review; after that, we can share it. 00:14:29 <quaid> rudi++ 00:15:09 <quaid> rudi: am I correct that this is the RHT internal style guide/"word usage" document? 00:15:20 <rudi> Yes -- those documents 00:15:31 * quaid faints with happiness 00:15:42 * Sparks fans quaid 00:16:12 <Sparks> rudi: Any idea when this might be available? 00:16:24 <rudi> There is material there that represents internal Red Hat legal advice and brand considerations that we will not be able to share -- but for the most part, that stuff is irrelevant to anyone else who wants to use it. 00:16:48 <rudi> Sparks -- at the moment, I'm bogged down in the preparations for RHEL5.4, which is why I've been quiet on the Fedora front for the last few weeks 00:16:55 * quaid sorry for the drama, it's just good stuff and a nice leg up for everyone 00:17:08 <rudi> I expect to have a draft together for legal to review within the next 2 weeks or so 00:17:29 <quaid> rudi: feel free to draw on me in any way, such as helping pre-review before legal, etc. 00:17:38 <rudi> quaid -- thanks 00:17:43 <quaid> aye, thank you 00:18:15 <Sparks> rudi: That's cool. 00:18:24 <Sparks> rudi: BTW, when is 5.4 going to hit the streets? 00:18:40 <rudi> I'd have to check to see what the public is supposed to know :) 00:19:11 <Sparks> Gees... 00:19:19 <Sparks> I have many servers that are aching to upgrade 00:19:20 <Sparks> :) 00:19:24 <rudi> Wikipedia doesn't know ;) 00:19:28 <Sparks> Okay, moving on... 00:19:46 <Sparks> #action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm 00:20:06 <Sparks> #action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm 00:20:18 <Sparks> ianweller to do something useful and write a draft announcement 00:20:19 <Sparks> DONE 00:20:30 <Sparks> jjmcd to do recon on Zikula for useful docs 00:20:33 <Sparks> DONE and found none 00:20:36 <quaid> Sparks: I find Wikipedia makes good guesses there :) 00:21:02 <Sparks> I think this is all the old business. Does anyone have anything else that is old business/tasks? 00:21:10 <quaid> whoops, withdrawn :) 00:21:42 <Sparks> quaid: Ya... we were just talking about that today. 00:21:47 <Sparks> Okay, moving on 00:21:52 <Sparks> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq 00:22:04 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status 00:22:13 <Sparks> I don't think ke4qqq is here tonight... 00:22:27 <Sparks> Does anyone have an update on Zikula? 00:22:33 <itbegins> The instance for marketing is moving along fast 00:22:39 <itbegins> but that will pass by the blockers for docs 00:22:56 <itbegins> on the plus side, puppetization etc will be partly done for docs purposes by marketing 00:23:02 <Sparks> +1 00:23:06 <itbegins> The same with performance checks etc 00:23:22 <Sparks> That's good. 00:23:45 <itbegins> So, IMHO if we can get the last few modules packaged, a roll out for immediately following the F12 change freeze is perfectly achievable 00:24:03 <Sparks> itbegins: Can you provide a delta of what we need versus what we have, package wise, to stand up the docs instance? 00:24:33 * quaid calls for a wiki page to be created! 00:24:50 <itbegins> packaging side, we need one of mediashare or mediaattach packaged 00:24:54 <itbegins> otherwise you have no media manager 00:25:05 * Sparks points quaid to the link at the top of this topic discussion 00:25:21 <itbegins> and preferably one editor - unless you like hard coding HTML 00:25:32 <itbegins> and of course we need the theme packaged 00:25:45 <itbegins> With those three, I think you are ready to go 00:25:52 * Sparks thinks the theme is packaged and ready 00:25:58 <itbegins> and over time we can upgrade the instance with more features as they come online 00:26:11 <itbegins> Sparks: yes, but I wouldn't call the files currently in git production ready 00:26:24 <itbegins> I made that theme using File>Save as in Firefox, and a quick n dirty conversion 00:26:27 <quaid> heh 00:26:36 <itbegins> there will be all sorts of useful images and possibly css missing from that 00:26:53 <itbegins> the correct way to do it would be to convert based on the files currently in the websites git repository 00:26:54 <quaid> itbegins: I think we showed it to mizmo though, I'll make sure she's on the bz for that package review 00:27:19 <quaid> ... and anyone know that bz # for the theme? 00:27:26 <itbegins> If Mizmo approves, then I defer to her - she's also runnign point for the marketing team on design issues 00:28:05 <itbegins> Content and Mediashare are blocking on the window library 00:28:30 <itbegins> it just so happens I've had experience with the replacement suggested by stickster_afk in the last couple of weeks at work, so I could in theory make those changes for you 00:28:51 <itbegins> But it will take me some time to get up to speed with the modules and figure out the needed changes 00:29:19 <itbegins> Equally there may already be someone working on making that very change 00:30:29 * Sparks is back 00:30:36 <Sparks> Sorry, storm and power outage 00:30:49 <Sparks> Are we done with the CMS discussion? 00:31:10 <quaid> I'm updating the modules list a bit from this discussion 00:31:14 <Sparks> #chair quaid 00:31:22 <Sparks> quaid: Excellent, thank you. 00:31:44 <quaid> #task need to resolve theme package, review, and Design Team help; borrow from FI work? 00:32:01 <itbegins> Sparks: http://www.fpaste.org/CJke/ 00:32:17 <itbegins> Log from when you last typed 00:32:49 <Sparks> itbegins: Thanks! 00:33:02 <itbegins> Anyway, if we're agreed we're going to miss Fedora 12 for the docs instance, then there is much less pressure on timescales for the CMS project 00:33:29 <Sparks> quaid: Can you talk to mizmo tomorrow and make sure she's on the same pages as us? 00:33:37 <quaid> Sparks: got it 00:33:42 <Sparks> itbegins: Agreed. 00:33:47 <Sparks> quaid: Cool, thanks. 00:34:03 <Sparks> #action quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme 00:34:34 <Sparks> Anything else on the CMS/Zikula? 00:35:08 <Sparks> #topic Status on CC license rollout.\ 00:35:19 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule 00:35:51 <Sparks> rudi: So we now have a happy version of the license page for Publican, correct? 00:36:05 <rudi> Sparks -- correct 00:36:18 <Sparks> rudi: I'm assuming you are updating this in Publican 1.0... can you patch the 0.44 version as well? 00:36:35 <quaid> are we subject to Infrastructure freeze for this change? 00:36:41 <quaid> i.e. wiki, websites, etc. 00:36:50 <Sparks> maybe 00:36:56 <rudi> Sparks -- I'm not sure -- I will have to check with Jeff (who is on leave at the moment) 00:37:05 <Sparks> ianweller: What's the procedure for updating the license of the wiki? 00:37:15 <Sparks> rudi: Okay, that's cool. 00:37:22 <ianweller> we stuff some variables in LocalSettings.php 00:37:25 <ianweller> which is in puppet, in our case 00:37:34 <rudi> I suspect that it may just end up in the "unofficial" patch that I maintain on my Fedorapeople page 00:37:35 <ianweller> and then it adds the cute little button to the bottom automatically i believe 00:37:43 <Sparks> #action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0 00:37:50 <rudi> ianweller -- what button? 00:38:06 <Sparks> uh oh 00:38:08 <Sparks> :) 00:38:14 <quaid> is there a chance that a current version of Fedora won't have Publican 1.0? 00:38:22 <ianweller> rudi: the cc icon 00:38:27 <ianweller> http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-sa/3.0/88x31.png 00:38:28 <ianweller> that thing 00:38:30 <rudi> ianweller -- we can't use the icon 00:38:36 <quaid> +1 to button website 00:38:40 <ianweller> *thud* 00:38:42 <quaid> not for publican 00:38:46 <Sparks> rudi: I'd prefer that the license information go into the official release but I know you know that. 00:38:48 <ianweller> well we can for the wiki 00:38:52 <rudi> We can't use it for the wiki 00:38:55 <ianweller> why not 00:39:03 <quaid> rudi: I understood Richard to be talking about the legal notice for Publican 00:39:04 <ianweller> sure we can't redistribute it but we're not 00:39:10 <ianweller> we're just hotlinking it 00:39:15 <quaid> right because of the redistrib. 00:39:19 <rudi> quaid -- if you read his emails, he talks about both 00:39:34 <rudi> ianweller -- yes, but it's an unfree element appearing on a Fedora page 00:39:43 <rudi> Therefore, we can't use it. 00:39:48 <Sparks> I have a problem with his interpretation of not using it on the wiki... 00:39:58 <ianweller> augghhghhggghsdoagosrgjwjgoajldfjksfakgherjkojar <-- what is going through my mind right now 00:39:59 <quaid> um 00:40:01 <Sparks> the Fedora logo is an unfree element and yet we use it on the webpages 00:40:06 <ianweller> that's correct! 00:40:07 <quaid> so is ServerBeach's logo 00:40:12 <ianweller> fedora logo is non-redistributable 00:40:15 <rudi> Sparks -- yes, but it's an unfree element that we own 00:40:16 <quaid> and Dell's 00:40:23 <ianweller> we don't own the dell logo 00:40:34 <quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/sponsors 00:40:35 <Sparks> and we are using the CC logo per its terms of use 00:40:52 <quaid> ok, I'll re-read richard's email, and then we'll ask him for clarification. 00:41:15 * Sparks finds it increadibly ironic that the very symbol of freedom is an unfree element. 00:41:25 <quaid> well, it's a trademark, in't? 00:41:32 <Sparks> yeah 00:41:34 <quaid> Fedora is for freedom, but our logo sure ain't free 00:41:42 <Sparks> exactly 00:43:19 <Sparks> #action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki. 00:43:42 <Sparks> ianweller: So is the infrastructure freeze going to affect the license change? 00:43:52 <ianweller> yyyyyyyyyno it should be minor 00:43:53 <ianweller> ricky: ping ^^ 00:44:00 <ricky> ianweller: pong 00:44:27 <ricky> Ugh, are we going to run into pain for our sponsors page? 00:44:29 <ianweller> ricky: if i send a patch to the infra list saying "here's what i'm doing to change the license on the wiki" and it gets 2 +1s then it's ok during a freeze right? 00:44:37 <ianweller> ricky: well that wasn't why i pinged you but possibly :( 00:44:52 <ricky> Yup as long as it's low risk and doesn't have a high chance of breaking anything else :-) 00:45:00 <ricky> So more than likely, yes :-) 00:45:22 <ianweller> yeh it prolly won't! 00:46:24 <Sparks> okay... 00:46:31 <Sparks> anything else about the license change? 00:47:11 <rudi> It might be worth checking with Richard Fontana about the logos on the sponsors page 00:47:32 <Sparks> quaid: Can you tack that onto your discussion? 00:47:38 <quaid> rudi: "These are not the droids you are looking for." 00:47:43 <quaid> Sparks: "These are not the droids you are looking for." 00:47:58 <Sparks> quaid: huh? 00:47:59 <quaid> "Move along" 00:48:06 <Sparks> roger 00:48:20 <Sparks> #topic Draft Documentation on the wiki 00:48:29 <Sparks> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Draft_Documentation 00:48:43 <Sparks> For anyone looking for something more to do... ^^^ 00:48:53 <quaid> get out your machete 00:49:26 <Sparks> Yeah... we probably need to go through that and see what's stale 00:49:48 <Sparks> Anything else on this? 00:49:56 <quaid> Hint: if it's in Archive:, it's stale 00:50:10 <quaid> do we want to do something about it for real? 00:50:15 <Sparks> sure 00:50:24 <quaid> i.e., do an online sprint some time? 00:50:34 <quaid> do we have any "lulls" in the F12 storm? 00:50:48 <Sparks> Not especially 00:50:50 <Sparks> :) 00:51:18 <Sparks> I think a lot of what I'm seeing in the Archive: can be deleted/removed. 00:51:39 <Sparks> It appears that it has been incorporated into a DocBook guide 00:52:10 <quaid> OK, maybe a post-F12 fun activity 00:52:18 <quaid> we'll all buy our own beer, etc. 00:52:31 <Sparks> ianweller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Delete 00:52:51 <Sparks> ianweller: What happened to the delete policy? There are 97 pages ready to be blasted! 00:52:51 <ianweller> yay more work 00:52:58 <ianweller> Sparks: i don't do anything about it until someone mentions it 00:52:59 <ianweller> ^_^ 00:53:19 <ianweller> so i'll do something about it 00:53:42 <Sparks> ianweller: I know you have a big red button over there that nukes all those pages 00:53:57 <ianweller> no but ricky does, it's called "nuke db2" 00:54:02 <ianweller> ;) 00:54:15 <Sparks> Yikes 00:54:32 <ianweller> yeah i'll go thruogh those tonight just for you 00:54:36 * ianweller stops holding up the meeting 00:54:45 <Sparks> Okay, so that should clear up some items... :) 00:54:50 <Sparks> Anything else? 00:55:27 <Sparks> #topic Guide needs? 00:55:37 <Sparks> Anyone have a guide that is in need? 00:56:09 <Sparks> #topic New Guides 00:56:16 <Sparks> Okay, I have one... 00:56:51 <Sparks> I've Publicanized (apparently not the first person to do this) the old Accessibility information that used to go out with the RNs. 00:57:17 <Sparks> It is on fh.org and I'm going to start updating it as I get time. 00:57:42 <Sparks> Feel free to check it out and provide patches! :) 00:57:54 <Sparks> Does anyone else have a new guide? 00:58:48 <Sparks> #topic All other business 00:58:55 <Sparks> Okay, does anyone have anything else? 00:59:35 <Sparks> Anyone? 00:59:37 <Sparks> Anything? 00:59:54 <itbegins> *silence* 01:00:18 <itbegins> Good timing 01:00:29 <Sparks> Okay... thanks everyone for coming tonight! Don't forget to tip your wait staff. 01:00:33 <Sparks> #endmeeting

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Is there a way to define a wiki table in a single line?
by susmit shannigrahi 22 Aug '09

22 Aug '09

Hi, Is there some way which allows me to do the following and still get the right formatting in wiki? {| |- style="color: white; background-color: #3074c2; font-weight: bold" align="justified" |'''Name'''||'''Email''' |- | [[User:ccc| ccc]] ||(ccc AT fedoraproject DOT org) |- |[[User:ddd|ddd]] ||(ddd AT fedoraproject DOT org) |} The correct one is this: {| |- style="color: white; background-color: #3074c2; font-weight: bold" align="justified" |'''Name'''||'''Email''' |- | [[User:ccc| ccc]] ||(ccc AT fedoraproject DOT org) |- |[[User:ddd|ddd]] ||(ddd AT fedoraproject DOT org) |} -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India

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