From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 22:07:11 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6418730720971213709==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul W. Frields To: docs at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: OpenOffice.org 1.9 (FC4t3) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1116092976.6854.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> --===============6418730720971213709== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW, I have been playing a little bit with the FC4test3 build, and as of last night, OO.o now will create DocBook XML 4.1.2 documents "out of the box," as long as the Java environment is installed. This could be a great step forward for our project since it would allow non-Emacs, non- XML folks to write documents. If I use OO.o styles as follows, the XSLT stuff makes valid DocBook XML: OO.o format: (OO.o styles are in [] brackets) -=3D-=3D-=3D- [Heading1]My Title[/Heading1] [Body text]Some text.[/Body text] [Heading2]Another Chunk[/Heading2] [Body text]Some more text.[/Body text] Produces this DocBook XML 4.1.2 text (although the indentation may not match PSGML): -=3D-=3D-=3D- My Title Some text. Another Chunk Some more text. It's a great start, especially considering what a confusing PITA it is for a newbie to install any DocBook functionality in OO.o 1.1.x. I haven't fully investigated yet how well the XSLT stuff in OO.o works to import documents. In other words, will it serve well for collaboration between people who are not using the same tool? I don't know, but the barrier certainly seems significantly lower for first-time contributors, if they prefer to write in a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor. = Next up -- and after the IG is out and the DocG is revving up -- I may look into creating an OO.o style template that would be even more WYSIWYG than what's there now. It would include properly formatted admonitions with graphics, coloration to match the HTML build, etc. This is just a mini-news bulletin, not a call for a new toolchain. However, since the tool is available and may provide functionality for new contributors, it will probably be addressed in the Documentation Guide. -- = Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ --===============6418730720971213709== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMi42IChHTlUv TGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFCQ2hqb3dyTnZKTjcwUk54Y1JBc3J6QUp3SVVlcklFVVRiRnB5ejd5bGNG RWErcWx5YzVnQ2c2cklKCmFMV0JWYVV0MmJSZFYrRGE4K2psYTlVPQo9RDR3MgotLS0tLUVORCBQ R1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0K --===============6418730720971213709==-- From stuart at elsn.org Thu Jun 4 22:07:11 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5017876488403940245==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stuart Ellis To: docs at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org 1.9 (FC4t3) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1116094836.4250.44.camel@humboldt.eln.lan> In-Reply-To: 1116092976.6854.13.camel@localhost.localdomain --===============5017876488403940245== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 13:49 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > FWIW, I have been playing a little bit with the FC4test3 build, and as > of last night, OO.o now will create DocBook XML 4.1.2 documents "out of > the box," as long as the Java environment is installed. This could be a > great step forward for our project since it would allow non-Emacs, non- > XML folks to write documents. Stunning ! > I haven't fully investigated yet how well the XSLT stuff in OO.o works > to import documents. In other words, will it serve well for > collaboration between people who are not using the same tool? = FWIW, the main issue I had with gedit > Emacs switching was actually the indenting. Emacs indents nicely for DocBook written in it, but if you also edit the file with something that doesn't indent then the layout gets messed up. I opted to exclusively use Emacs to avoid this issue. -- = Stuart Ellis stuart(a)elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA=20 --===============5017876488403940245== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMi42IChHTlUv TGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFCQ2hrRjBLUzdqWlhDWXErb1JBc1lUQUo5ZUZMSUpHa2Zva2QyUU5hdFVU NXVmVDlYNTJRQ2ZlaVNjCjJGS1NodFYvZE5iajdjTGd6VERnSUs4PQo9dDNEVgotLS0tLUVORCBQ R1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0K --===============5017876488403940245==-- From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 22:07:11 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6099782239411081221==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul W. Frields To: docs at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org 1.9 (FC4t3) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1116101217.6854.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: 1116094836.4250.44.camel@humboldt.eln.lan --===============6099782239411081221== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 19:20 +0100, Stuart Ellis wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-14 at 13:49 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > FWIW, I have been playing a little bit with the FC4test3 build, and as > > of last night, OO.o now will create DocBook XML 4.1.2 documents "out of > > the box," as long as the Java environment is installed. This could be a > > great step forward for our project since it would allow non-Emacs, non- > > XML folks to write documents. > = > Stunning ! > = > = > > I haven't fully investigated yet how well the XSLT stuff in OO.o works > > to import documents. In other words, will it serve well for > > collaboration between people who are not using the same tool? = > = > FWIW, the main issue I had with gedit > Emacs switching was actually the > indenting. Emacs indents nicely for DocBook written in it, but if you > also edit the file with something that doesn't indent then the layout > gets messed up. I opted to exclusively use Emacs to avoid this issue. That's a great point. It's why I buckled down into Emacs when I started working in the FDP. I would have preferred to stay with vi or use something less daunting... but the collaboration factor is what convinced me to take the plunge. I'm very glad I did, because I keep discovering new and cool things I can do easily with Emacs! I'm sure many other people will end up taking this road too -- contributing a first cut document written in some other tool, and then trying Emacs to make collaboration easier. As long as people participate, though, it's really a secondary concern. Maybe if we can work with the new toolset in OO.o, we'll be able to come up with something that people can live with up to the point of final editorial. Good backburner issue, methinks.... -- = Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ --===============6099782239411081221== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMi42IChHTlUv TGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFCQ2hscGhyTnZKTjcwUk54Y1JBbEwyQUo5WURtSk91RHB3ZzRuMEdBNGp2 Y3FZMlZtUXFBQ2drdk83CkhjaGxPZGxWdmNPOG9QQk9SMnUyajRJPQo9ai9KdQotLS0tLUVORCBQ R1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0K --===============6099782239411081221==-- From twaugh at redhat.com Thu Jun 4 22:07:16 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2866044667495774051==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim Waugh To: docs at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org 1.9 (FC4t3) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:48:43 +0100 Message-ID: <20050525214843.GS8706@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: 1116092976.6854.13.camel@localhost.localdomain --===============2866044667495774051== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 01:49:36PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > FWIW, I have been playing a little bit with the FC4test3 build, and as > of last night, OO.o now will create DocBook XML 4.1.2 documents "out of > the box," as long as the Java environment is installed. Hmm, is this still working for you? I just tried with 1.9.104-2 and it just gives an error every time -- even with just a single line 'foo' in Heading 1. "The file could not be written." Tim. */ --===============2866044667495774051== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.sig" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuNC4xIChHTlUv TGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFGQ2xQSzdIVS9kNGpucFdlMFJBcHhIQUtDUDRNVDg5WmFmdWkyTU1TMUJJ VElBSHFQN3BnQ2NDOHR1CjBlR2hIN20wc1BQYkJDUHNvNWlEY2lBPQo9eWp5cgotLS0tLUVORCBQ R1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0K --===============2866044667495774051==-- From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 22:07:16 2015 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7479487747834531361==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul W. Frields To: docs at lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org 1.9 (FC4t3) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1117130544.13111.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: 20050525214843.GS8706@redhat.com --===============7479487747834531361== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 22:48 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 01:49:36PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > = > > FWIW, I have been playing a little bit with the FC4test3 build, and as > > of last night, OO.o now will create DocBook XML 4.1.2 documents "out of > > the box," as long as the Java environment is installed. > = > Hmm, is this still working for you? I just tried with 1.9.104-2 and > it just gives an error every time -- even with just a single line > 'foo' in Heading 1. "The file could not be written." Just updated FC4t3 and the same now happens for me. *sigh* I filed a bug for this, but I highly doubt it will be fixed for FC4 at this point. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D158903 -- = Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ --===============7479487747834531361== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMi42IChHTlUv TGludXgpCgppRDhEQlFCQ2xnOHdyTnZKTjcwUk54Y1JBdVR6QUtEY1d4NTdrQS9zZllMb3B1SGpI eTFreW94N3hRQ2doQkhQCnNRUmp5ZkVGUWRPK05STEoxTDBmZmRNPQo9MlVYdgotLS0tLUVORCBQ R1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0K --===============7479487747834531361==--