Can't publish readme-burning-iso to docs for Fedora 18 to docs website

[Tiansworld]

Hi everyone,

There is a problem when I trying to generate the translated docs for
readme-burning-iso.

1. git clone hung up unexpectedly
(git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common) [1]

2. I can only generate readme-burning-iso files for Fedora 17. I've tried
publish clean all, but it didn't help.

Is the 2nd problem caused by the 1st one?


-- 
Regards,

Tiansworld
Fedora Project Contributor

[Eric Christensen]

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:56:32AM +0800, tiansworld wrote:
>  There is a problem when I trying to generate the translated docs for
>  readme-burning-iso.
>  
>  1. git clone hung up unexpectedly
>  (git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common) 
I'm not sure what's in that repo...  What are you trying to use in there?

>  2. I can only generate readme-burning-iso files for Fedora 17.
> I've tried
>  publish clean all, but it didn't help. 
I'll try to publish all completed translations for readme-burning-isos this morning.

>  Is the 2nd problem caused by the 1st one? 
Probably not unless there is an underlying ssh key issue.

- --Eric

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[Tiansworld]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Eric H. Christensen <
sparks(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

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>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:56:32AM +0800, tiansworld wrote:
>  > There is a problem when I trying to generate the translated docs for
>  > readme-burning-iso.
>  >
>  > 1. git clone hung up unexpectedly
>  > (git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common)
>
>  I'm not sure what's in that repo...  What are you trying to use in there?
>
>  
I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning the
readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc. Please see here[1].

[1] https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/

-- 
Regards,

Tiansworld
Fedora Project Contributor

[Ben Cotton]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
<tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning the
>  readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc. 

That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to publish
Burning ISOs.

--
Ben Cotton

[John J. McDonough]

On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning the
>  > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc.
>  
>  
>  That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to publish
>  Burning ISOs. 
More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used prior to Publican.
Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the documents to
Publican.

--McD

>  
>  --
>  Ben Cotton

[Eric Christensen]

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning the
>  > > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to publish
>  > Burning ISOs.
>  
>  More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used prior to Publican.
>  Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the documents to
>  Publican. 
Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too much old "common"
data gets posted and never updated.

I've published the latest version of the guide and all the translations that were at
least 90% complete except for zh-CN.  zh-CN translation has some issues.  I was able to
figure out a couple of the problems but there is one that I haven't been able to get
around.

- --Eric
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[Tiansworld]

>  I've published the latest version of the guide and all the
> translations
>  that were at least 90% complete except for zh-CN.  zh-CN translation has
>  some issues.  I was able to figure out a couple of the problems but there
>  is one that I haven't been able to get around. 
Are they translation related errors? If so, just tell me and we can fix it
ASAP.

-- 
Regards,

Tiansworld
Fedora Project Contributor

Problems with the zh-CN translation of readme-burning-isos

[Eric Christensen]

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:35:06PM +0800, tiansworld wrote:
>  > I've published the latest version of the guide and all the
> translations
>  > that were at least 90% complete except for zh-CN.  zh-CN translation has
>  > some issues.  I was able to figure out a couple of the problems but there
>  > is one that I haven't been able to get around.
>  
>  Are they translation related errors? If so, just tell me and we can fix it
>  ASAP. 
Yeah, there are some broken DocBook markups in the zh-CN translations.  Perhaps you can
just build the guide yourself (publican build --formats html --lang zh-CN) and work each
of the issues?  I fixed a few of them and pushed the changes back up to Tx but there may
be more.  I can only see the current issue by building and I don't know how many more
there might be.

- --Eric
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Problems with the zh-CN translation of readme-burning-isos

[Tiansworld]

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Eric H. Christensen <
sparks(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

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>  Yeah, there are some broken DocBook markups in the zh-CN translations.
>   Perhaps you can just build the guide yourself (publican build --formats
>  html --lang zh-CN) and work each of the issues?  I fixed a few of them and
>  pushed the changes back up to Tx but there may be more.  I can only see the
>  current issue by building and I don't know how many more there might be.
>  
Readme en-US xml files in git repo didn't use the same names as the po
files in transifex. PO files' name in transifex are beginning with
fedora-readme-burning-isos., so the following warning happened when I run
publican build.

Setting up zh-CN
PO file 'zh-CN/Article_Info.po' not found! Using base XML!
PO file 'zh-CN/Author_Group.po' not found! Using base XML!
 PO file 'zh-CN/Burning.po' not found! Using base XML!
PO file 'zh-CN/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc.po' not found! Using base XML!
 ...

This will generate a non translated burning ISO doc only and no translation
problem will be shown.
Would you like to repair this issue?


Then I renamed the po files' name manually, just delete
fedora-readme-burning-isos. And ran the publican build command again. It
works, and publican output listed the problem markup, they are located in
Downloading.po. Here they are:

<filename>Fedora-<replaceable>&lt;version&gt;</replaceable>-<replaceable>&lt;arch&lt;</replaceable>-disc<replaceable>&lt;count;&gt;</replaceable>.iso</filename>，其中
"<replaceable>&lt;version&;gt;</replaceable>" 是您希望下载的 Fedora
版本，
"<replaceable>&lt;arch&lt;</replaceable>"

&lt;arch&lt; should be &lt;arch&gt;
&lt;count;&gt; should be &lt;count&gt;
&lt;version&;gt; should be &lt;version&gt;
&lt;arch&gt; should be &lt;arch&gt;

(So difficult to find them.)

After fixed these typos, 'publican build' command generated the docs. But
they are still in Fedora 17 directory. Title of the docs are still Fedora
17...

I fixed the translation errors in transifex.
Could you pull them to git repo and try to publish them again to Fedora 18?

Hope everything will be OK.

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:58AM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning the
>  > > > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc.
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to publish
>  > > Burning ISOs.
>  > 
>  > More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used prior to Publican.
>  > Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the documents to
>  > Publican.
>  
>  Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too much
>  old "common" data gets posted and never updated. 
ACK:
https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/wiki/WikiStart?action=history

That WikiStart page hasn't been updated in years.  But any FAS user
can update it, so I encourage someone to modify it as necessary, no
sacred cows.

-- 
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[Eric Christensen]

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:11:39PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:58AM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning the
>  > > > > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc.
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to publish
>  > > > Burning ISOs.
>  > > 
>  > > More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used prior to
> Publican.
>  > > Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the documents to
>  > > Publican.
>  > 
>  > Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too much
>  > old "common" data gets posted and never updated.
>  
>  ACK:
>  https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/wiki/WikiStart?action=history
>  
>  That WikiStart page hasn't been updated in years.  But any FAS user
>  can update it, so I encourage someone to modify it as necessary, no
>  sacred cows. 
Paul: Is there any reason to keep the Trac instance at all?  Perhaps now would be a good
time to terminate these instances and just maintain the regular wiki.  AFAIK, no one is
using the ticketing systems or any other piece of Trac.

- --Eric
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[John J. McDonough]

On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 18:10 -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:11:39PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:58AM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > > > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > > > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for cloning
> the
>  > > > > > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc.
>  > > > > 
>  > > > > 
>  > > > > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to
> publish
>  > > > > Burning ISOs.
>  > > > 
>  > > > More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used prior to
> Publican.
>  > > > Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the documents to
>  > > > Publican.
>  > > 
>  > > Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too much
>  > > old "common" data gets posted and never updated.
>  > 
>  > ACK:
>  > https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/wiki/WikiStart?action=history
>  > 
>  > That WikiStart page hasn't been updated in years.  But any FAS user
>  > can update it, so I encourage someone to modify it as necessary, no
>  > sacred cows.
>  
>  Paul: Is there any reason to keep the Trac instance at all?  Perhaps now would be a good
> time to terminate these instances and just maintain the regular wiki.  AFAIK, no one is
> using the ticketing systems or any other piece of Trac. 
Or maybe replace everything on the trac with links to BZ

-McD

>  
>  --Eric

[Eric Christensen]

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 06:22:56PM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 18:10 -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:11:39PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:58AM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > > > > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > > > > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for
> cloning the
>  > > > > > > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the doc.
>  > > > > > 
>  > > > > > 
>  > > > > > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc utils to
> publish
>  > > > > > Burning ISOs.
>  > > > > 
>  > > > > More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used prior
> to Publican.
>  > > > > Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the documents to
>  > > > > Publican.
>  > > > 
>  > > > Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too much
>  > > > old "common" data gets posted and never updated.
>  > > 
>  > > ACK:
>  > > https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/wiki/WikiStart?action=history
>  > > 
>  > > That WikiStart page hasn't been updated in years.  But any FAS user
>  > > can update it, so I encourage someone to modify it as necessary, no
>  > > sacred cows.
>  > 
>  > Paul: Is there any reason to keep the Trac instance at all?  Perhaps now would be a
> good time to terminate these instances and just maintain the regular wiki.  AFAIK, no one
> is using the ticketing systems or any other piece of Trac.
>  
>  Or maybe replace everything on the trac with links to BZ 
Well, there is more than BZ that would need to be linked to.  IMO, just getting rid of the
Trac instances would be far less confusing and less stuff to maintain (for us and for
Infrastructure).

- --Eric
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[Pete Travis]

On Apr 12, 2013 5:28 PM, <sparks(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
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>  On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 06:22:56PM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 18:10 -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:11:39PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:58AM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > > > > > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > > > > > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed for
cloning the
>  > > > > > > > readme-burning-iso git repo for
> publishing the doc.
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc
> utils to 
publish
>  > > > > > > Burning ISOs.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was used
> prior to 
Publican.
>  > > > > > Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we
> converted all the documents 
to
>  > > > > > Publican.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too much
>  > > > > old "common" data gets posted and never updated.
>  > > >
>  > > > ACK:
>  > > >
https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/wiki/WikiStart?action=history
>  > > >
>  > > > That WikiStart page hasn't been updated in years.  But any FAS user
>  > > > can update it, so I encourage someone to modify it as necessary, no
>  > > > sacred cows.
>  > >
>  > > Paul: Is there any reason to keep the Trac instance at all?  Perhaps 
now
would be a good time to terminate these instances and just maintain the
regular wiki.  AFAIK, no one is using the ticketing systems or any other
piece of Trac.
>  >
>  > Or maybe replace everything on the trac with links to BZ
>
>  Well, there is more than BZ that would need to be linked to.  IMO, just 
getting rid
of the Trac instances would be far less confusing and less
stuff to maintain (for us and for Infrastructure).
>  - --Eric 
I'm all for dumping trac, since we don't use it.   There are some valuable
contribution guidelines I'd like to pull into the Documentation Guide
first, though.

--Pete

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 06:32:53PM -0600, Pete Travis wrote:
>  On Apr 12, 2013 5:28 PM, <sparks(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  >
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>  > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 06:22:56PM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
>  > > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 18:10 -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:11:39PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:58AM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>  > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:53:04AM -0400, John J. McDonough
> wrote:
>  > > > > > > On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:43 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM, tiansworld
>  > > > > > > > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > > > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention that this git clone is needed
> for
>  cloning the
>  > > > > > > > > readme-burning-iso git repo for publishing the
> doc.
>  > > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > > That page is fairly old. I've never needed the doc
> utils to
>  publish
>  > > > > > > > Burning ISOs.
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > More than "fairly" old.  fedora-docs-utils was
> used prior to
>  Publican.
>  > > > > > > Somewhere around Fedora 10 or 11 we converted all the
> documents
>  to
>  > > > > > > Publican.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Agreed.  This is why the Trac instances for docs is bad.  Too
> much
>  > > > > > old "common" data gets posted and never updated.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > ACK:
>  > > > >
>  https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/wiki/WikiStart?action=history
>  > > > >
>  > > > > That WikiStart page hasn't been updated in years.  But any FAS
> user
>  > > > > can update it, so I encourage someone to modify it as necessary, no
>  > > > > sacred cows.
>  > > >
>  > > > Paul: Is there any reason to keep the Trac instance at all?  Perhaps
>  now would be a good time to terminate these instances and just maintain the
>  regular wiki.  AFAIK, no one is using the ticketing systems or any other
>  piece of Trac.
>  > >
>  > > Or maybe replace everything on the trac with links to BZ
>  >
>  > Well, there is more than BZ that would need to be linked to.  IMO, just
>  getting rid of the Trac instances would be far less confusing and less
>  stuff to maintain (for us and for Infrastructure).
>  >
>  > - --Eric
>  
>  I'm all for dumping trac, since we don't use it.   There are some valuable
>  contribution guidelines I'd like to pull into the Documentation Guide
>  first, though. 
Ditto here.

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