On 01/26/2014 01:36 PM, Christopher Antila wrote:
On 23 January 2014 11:18:01 Pete Travis wrote:
> Hi Guillermo,
> I came home last night and was met with a request on IRC from nb to
> content referencing rpmfusion from the F14 Software Administration and
> Musicians Guide. He was tasked to this by spot/Fedora Legal via IRC as
> well, probably precipitated by the discussion on advisory-board@ .
> I thought a bit about the legal implications and the potential publicity
> fallout of an engaged debate over our content, and in a knee-jerk
> removed references to rpmfusion from web.git. Nick had prepped a
> the Musicians Guide that I merged forward. The Storage
> clearly needed more work, and I unpublished it from F14 forward for now.
> So, I would like your thoughts on how to move forward. I can
> some regex to substitute nonfunctional example repos, but my Spanish is
> laughable at best. I would like to work with you to resolve the
> issue as best as we can. The same goes for the Musicians Guide.
> The greater question and its handling is a little distasteful,
> dislike the communication through back channels and PMs, there has been
> nothing like a policy declaration from Fedora Legal, and I'm continuing
> that by changing content and mailing privately myself. As much as I
> believe in open communication, I really don't want to see some tech
> journalist or blogger pushing vitriolic headlines [...]. It seems
> to deal with the immediate issue quickly and quietly, then have an open
> discussion on general policy once that work is done.
> Again, I apologize for yanking your work off docs.fp.o . I do want
> it right.
I feel this has been more than *a little* distasteful. There are so
things that could have been done differently to make this event more
At minimum, the authors of affected guides could have been notified
changes were made. A little better, the docs@ list should have been
Better still, we could have been given some length of time to remove the
As it is, at least in the Musicians' Guide, you didn't do a very good
"spot missed a spot"). The chapter called "Planet CCRMA at Home" is
third-party repository. The Qtractor chapter still refers to
it's probably not the only one. Furthermore, as I previously
Musicians' Guide's "Revision History" was not amended to indicate this
certainly notable change in content.
Plus, I didn't publish the Musicians' Guide with Fedora 17 for a
was out-of-date, and I didn't have the resources to fix that. Now we've
published obsolete documentation for end-of-life software, making the
repository about 250 MiB larger in the process.
- From my position, there's not much to debate. If Fedora Legal
(or has already officially decided) we can't refer to third-party
from official Fedora documentation, we must remove references to
repositories from official Fedora documentation. Until they do, or
points to a previous decision, I'm disinclined to make changes that will
decrease the usefulness of the Musicians' Guide. A guide about software
management would also probably be less useful if references to
repositories were removed.
In more than three years, nobody has said anything about the Fedora 14
editions of these documents until now. An extra week, letting the
sort things out, probably wouldn't have killed anyone. Unfortunately,
jerk reaction" has killed openness and therefore accountability.
I've thought for a couple of days about how to respond. I accept what's
happened and I can understand why it happened. I bear no grudges, and
to making further changes as requested by the Fedora Legal team. I won't,
however, engage in a discussion "behind closed doors" unless: (1) the
clearly labeled, (2) the result of the conversation, along with the
making process, is published publicly, and (3) we fear something
The reaction from you and Eric here is one I will learn from. I do
believe in open communication on these things, from start to finish.
In the future, we should ( and I will ) insist on bugs filed against
anything with legal complaints. It is obvious in retrospect, and I am
suitably embarrassed. I hope you can forgive my panic :)
Moving forward, I would of course like to help with the content as
needed. I won't barge into your Guide and start making changes on my
own, but do feel free to give me homework, create and assign bugs, whatever.
-- Pete Travis
- Fedora Docs Project Leader
- 'randomuser' on freenode