Tx duplicate teams removal

[Misha Shnurapet]

Hi!

The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice for the l10n teams with
duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their resources justified.

> From what requires action, the duplicate resources named as regional
> codes (like ru_RU or es_ES) hold our previous work. While the resources named as language
> identifiers (like ru or es) are out of sync or contain empty translations. It means that
> the project translators would lose progress if the project maintainers kill the duplicates
> now. The progressed modules need to be merged in the right place, where these would be
> available to the teams members afterwards. This is to be done by the l10n coordinators.
There's also a deadline to be set so we don't make the cleanup an endless process.
August 15th, 2011, seems to be enough, in case someone's on vacation. That's 2
weeks before the docs translation period starts and about 1.5 month from now. Then we may
ask the project maintainers to run a script to remove all those language resources.

If the Transifex stats [2] don't lie, the following teams are to be REMOVED:
  as_IN
  bg_BG
  bn_IN
  bs_BA
  ca_ES
  cz_CZ
  da_DK
  de_DE
  el_GR
  fa_IR
  fi_FI
  fr_FR
  gu_IN
  he_IL
  hi_IN
  hr_HR
  hu_HU
  id_ID
  is_IS
  it_IT
  jp_JP
  kn_IN
  ko_KR
  lt_LT
  lv_LV
  ml_IN
  ms_MY
  nb_NO
  nl_NL
  or_IN
  pa_IN
  pl_PL
  ru_RU
  sr_RS
  sr_RS@latin
  sk_SK
  sv_SE
  ta_IN
  te_IN
  uk_UA
  vi_VN

The following team is to be LEFT INTACT:
  zh_CN (as opposed to zh_TW and zh_HK)

The merging task can be accomplished by using the Transifex-client tool available in
Fedora repository. You will need the language remapping capability introduced in version
0.5.2, which is currently in the testing repo. To use now, run:
su -c "yum install transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
or update using the testing repo:
su -c "yum update transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"

Please give the package transifex-client-0.5.2-1.fc15.noarch [1] good karma so it would
land in the stable repo soon.

The procedure has been summarized before [3], there's also a complete manual to the
tool [4]. It took me less time because I only downloaded one language I wanted. For
instance, to update the Virtualization Guide I did:

1. configure the tool to use the chosen resource:
  a. create a folder, say, "transifex" in the home dir and cd into it
  b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx init
  c. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx set --auto-remote
https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide/

2. pull the "ru_RU" translation modules:
  a. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx pull -l ru_RU

3. use language remapping to push the modules as "ru":
  a. remap the language by adding the line "lang_map = ru:ru_RU" to the main
section of ~/transifex/.tx/config [5]
  b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx push --translations -l ru

4. delete the local files

You may be able to do the whole docs collection at once using
$ tx set --auto-remote https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
as soon as the corresponding ticket [6] is closed.

[1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/transifex
[2] https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
[3] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013504.html
[4]
http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/client/devel.html#customizing-the-la...
[5] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013465.html
[6] http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remote-for-...

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Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306

[Dimitris Glezos]

2011/7/1 Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  The procedure has been summarized before [3], there's also a
> complete manual to the tool [4]. It took me less time because I only downloaded one
> language I wanted. For instance, to update the Virtualization Guide I did:
>
>  1. configure the tool to use the chosen resource:
>  ...
>  4. delete the local files
>
>  You may be able to do the whole docs collection at once using
>  $ tx set --auto-remote https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  as soon as the corresponding ticket [6] is closed.
>  [6] http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remote-for-...
Ticket fixed.

  https://bitbucket.org/indifex/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remot...

 To use, run the devel version or wait for the next stable one.

  http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/client/index.html#development-version

Support for mass-deleting resources and translations of resources
through the client should be available in the next release as well.

-d




-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Nathan Thomas]

Thanks Misha, this clears up a lot of the things we've been discussing
over the past couple of weeks.

For guide maintainers: once we reach that August 15th deadline, we'll
have two weeks to remap the language directories in the guide git repos
to the new two-letter language identifiers used by Transifex.net. If I
understand correctly, all we need to do is edit our .tx/config file as
described in step 4 of Misha's list. Then, the next time we run 'tx
pull', transifex-client should pull from the two-letter modules instead
of the old four-letter ones (which probably won't be there anymore).

Regards,
Nathan 

On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 01:04 +0900, Misha Shnurapet wrote:

>  Hi!
>  
>  The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice for the l10n teams
> with duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their resources justified.
>  
>  From what requires action, the duplicate resources named as regional codes (like ru_RU or
> es_ES) hold our previous work. While the resources named as language identifiers (like ru
> or es) are out of sync or contain empty translations. It means that the project
> translators would lose progress if the project maintainers kill the duplicates now. The
> progressed modules need to be merged in the right place, where these would be available to
> the teams members afterwards. This is to be done by the l10n coordinators.
>  
>  There's also a deadline to be set so we don't make the cleanup an endless
> process. August 15th, 2011, seems to be enough, in case someone's on vacation.
> That's 2 weeks before the docs translation period starts and about 1.5 month from now.
> Then we may ask the project maintainers to run a script to remove all those language
> resources.
>  
>  If the Transifex stats [2] don't lie, the following teams are to be REMOVED:
>    as_IN
>    bg_BG
>    bn_IN
>    bs_BA
>    ca_ES
>    cz_CZ
>    da_DK
>    de_DE
>    el_GR
>    fa_IR
>    fi_FI
>    fr_FR
>    gu_IN
>    he_IL
>    hi_IN
>    hr_HR
>    hu_HU
>    id_ID
>    is_IS
>    it_IT
>    jp_JP
>    kn_IN
>    ko_KR
>    lt_LT
>    lv_LV
>    ml_IN
>    ms_MY
>    nb_NO
>    nl_NL
>    or_IN
>    pa_IN
>    pl_PL
>    ru_RU
>    sr_RS
>    sr_RS@latin
>    sk_SK
>    sv_SE
>    ta_IN
>    te_IN
>    uk_UA
>    vi_VN
>  
>  The following team is to be LEFT INTACT:
>    zh_CN (as opposed to zh_TW and zh_HK)
>  
>  The merging task can be accomplished by using the Transifex-client tool available in
> Fedora repository. You will need the language remapping capability introduced in version
> 0.5.2, which is currently in the testing repo. To use now, run:
>  su -c "yum install transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>  or update using the testing repo:
>  su -c "yum update transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>  
>  Please give the package transifex-client-0.5.2-1.fc15.noarch [1] good karma so it would
> land in the stable repo soon.
>  
>  The procedure has been summarized before [3], there's also a complete manual to the
> tool [4]. It took me less time because I only downloaded one language I wanted. For
> instance, to update the Virtualization Guide I did:
>  
>  1. configure the tool to use the chosen resource:
>    a. create a folder, say, "transifex" in the home dir and cd into it
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx init
>    c. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx set --auto-remote
> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide/
>  
>  2. pull the "ru_RU" translation modules:
>    a. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx pull -l ru_RU
>  
>  3. use language remapping to push the modules as "ru":
>    a. remap the language by adding the line "lang_map = ru:ru_RU" to the main
> section of ~/transifex/.tx/config [5]
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx push --translations -l ru
>  
>  4. delete the local files
>  
>  You may be able to do the whole docs collection at once using
>  $ tx set --auto-remote https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  as soon as the corresponding ticket [6] is closed.
>  
>  [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/transifex
>  [2] https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  [3] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013504.html
>  [4]
> http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/client/devel.html#customizing-the-la...
>  [5] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013465.html
>  [6] http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remote-for-...
>  
>  --
>  Best regards,
>  Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor
>  Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Nathan Thomas
<nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  Thanks Misha, this clears up a lot of the things we've been
> discussing over
>  the past couple of weeks.
>
>  For guide maintainers: once we reach that August 15th deadline, we'll have
>  two weeks to remap the language directories in the guide git repos to the
>  new two-letter language identifiers used by Transifex.net. If I understand
>  correctly, all we need to do is edit our .tx/config file as described in
>  step 4 of Misha's list. Then, the next time we run 'tx pull',
>  transifex-client should pull from the two-letter modules instead of the old
>  four-letter ones (which probably won't be there anymore). 
Two clarifications: You'll need to delete the four-letter files from
Tx. And, the next time you pull, the two-letter Tx files should be
downloaded on top of the four-letter custom local names.

-d



>  Regards,
>  Nathan
>
>  On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 01:04 +0900, Misha Shnurapet wrote:
>
>  Hi!
>
>  The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice for the
>  l10n teams with duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their
>  resources justified.
>
>  >From what requires action, the duplicate resources named as regional codes
>  (like ru_RU or es_ES) hold our previous work. While the resources named as
>  language identifiers (like ru or es) are out of sync or contain empty
>  translations. It means that the project translators would lose progress if
>  the project maintainers kill the duplicates now. The progressed modules need
>  to be merged in the right place, where these would be available to the teams
>  members afterwards. This is to be done by the l10n coordinators.
>
>  There's also a deadline to be set so we don't make the cleanup an endless
>  process. August 15th, 2011, seems to be enough, in case someone's on
>  vacation. That's 2 weeks before the docs translation period starts and about
>  1.5 month from now. Then we may ask the project maintainers to run a script
>  to remove all those language resources.
>
>  If the Transifex stats [2] don't lie, the following teams are to be REMOVED:
>    as_IN
>    bg_BG
>    bn_IN
>    bs_BA
>    ca_ES
>    cz_CZ
>    da_DK
>    de_DE
>    el_GR
>    fa_IR
>    fi_FI
>    fr_FR
>    gu_IN
>    he_IL
>    hi_IN
>    hr_HR
>    hu_HU
>    id_ID
>    is_IS
>    it_IT
>    jp_JP
>    kn_IN
>    ko_KR
>    lt_LT
>    lv_LV
>    ml_IN
>    ms_MY
>    nb_NO
>    nl_NL
>    or_IN
>    pa_IN
>    pl_PL
>    ru_RU
>    sr_RS
>    sr_RS@latin
>    sk_SK
>    sv_SE
>    ta_IN
>    te_IN
>    uk_UA
>    vi_VN
>
>  The following team is to be LEFT INTACT:
>    zh_CN (as opposed to zh_TW and zh_HK)
>
>  The merging task can be accomplished by using the Transifex-client tool
>  available in Fedora repository. You will need the language remapping
>  capability introduced in version 0.5.2, which is currently in the testing
>  repo. To use now, run:
>  su -c "yum install transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>  or update using the testing repo:
>  su -c "yum update transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>
>  Please give the package transifex-client-0.5.2-1.fc15.noarch [1] good karma
>  so it would land in the stable repo soon.
>
>  The procedure has been summarized before [3], there's also a complete manual
>  to the tool [4]. It took me less time because I only downloaded one language
>  I wanted. For instance, to update the Virtualization Guide I did:
>
>  1. configure the tool to use the chosen resource:
>    a. create a folder, say, "transifex" in the home dir and cd into it
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx init
>    c. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx set --auto-remote
>  https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide/
>
>  2. pull the "ru_RU" translation modules:
>    a. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx pull -l ru_RU
>
>  3. use language remapping to push the modules as "ru":
>    a. remap the language by adding the line "lang_map = ru:ru_RU" to the main
>  section of ~/transifex/.tx/config [5]
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx push --translations -l ru
>
>  4. delete the local files
>
>  You may be able to do the whole docs collection at once using
>  $ tx set --auto-remote
>  https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  as soon as the corresponding ticket [6] is closed.
>
>  [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/transifex
>  [2] https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  [3] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013504.html
>  [4]
>  http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/client/devel.html#customizing-the-la...
>  [5] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013465.html
>  [6]
>  http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remote-for-...
>
>  --
>  Best regards,
>  Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor
>  Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306
>
>
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Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Nathan Thomas]

On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 11:17 +0300, Dimitris Glezos wrote:

>  On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Nathan Thomas
>  <nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  > Thanks Misha, this clears up a lot of the things we've been discussing over
>  > the past couple of weeks.
>  >
>  > For guide maintainers: once we reach that August 15th deadline, we'll have
>  > two weeks to remap the language directories in the guide git repos to the
>  > new two-letter language identifiers used by Transifex.net. If I understand
>  > correctly, all we need to do is edit our .tx/config file as described in
>  > step 4 of Misha's list. Then, the next time we run 'tx pull',
>  > transifex-client should pull from the two-letter modules instead of the old
>  > four-letter ones (which probably won't be there anymore).
>  
>  Two clarifications: You'll need to delete the four-letter files from
>  Tx.  

That's using 'tx set --auto-remote' in the latest transifex-client,
right?

Nathan

[Runa Bhattacharjee]

On শুক্রবার 01 জুলাই 2011 09:34 অপরাহ্ণ, Misha Shnurapet wrote:

>  The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice
> for the
>  l10n teams with duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their
>  resources justified. 
...
>  If the Transifex stats [2] don't lie, the following teams are to be REMOVED: 
>  ��bn_IN 
aka Bengali India is NOT to be removed. This is different from bn the same way
pt_BR is different from pt.

Thanks
Runa
-- 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Runab

[Richard Vijay]

same with ta_IN for Tamil India

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On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee
<runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On শুক্রবার 01 জুলাই 2011 09:34 অপরাহ্ণ, Misha Shnurapet wrote:
>
> > The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice for the
> > l10n teams with duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their
> > resources justified.
>
>  ...
> >
> > If the Transifex stats [2] don't lie, the following teams are to be REMOVED:
>
> > ��bn_IN
>
>  aka Bengali India is NOT to be removed. This is different from bn the same way
>  pt_BR is different from pt.
>
>  Thanks
>  Runa
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[Runa Bhattacharjee]

On বুধবার 06 জুলাই 2011 02:32 অপরাহ্ণ, Richard Vijay wrote:
>  same with ta_IN for Tamil India
>  
Please  check with the Tamil coordinator for Fedora on this (Felix I).

https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/team/ta/

regards
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[Richard Vijay]

thanks Runa. I mailed ifelix few days back, yet to hear from him


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On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee
<runab(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On বুধবার 06 জুলাই 2011 02:32 অপরাহ্ণ, Richard Vijay wrote:
> > same with ta_IN for Tamil India
> >
>
>  Please  check with the Tamil coordinator for Fedora on this (Felix I).
>
>  https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/team/ta/
>
>  regards
>  Runa
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[Kévin Raymond]

2011/7/1 Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Hi!
>
>  The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice for the l10n teams
> with duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their resources justified.
>
>  From what requires action, the duplicate resources named as regional codes (like ru_RU or
> es_ES) hold our previous work. While the resources named as language identifiers (like ru
> or es) are out of sync or contain empty translations. It means that the project
> translators would lose progress if the project maintainers kill the duplicates now. The
> progressed modules need to be merged in the right place, where these would be available to
> the teams members afterwards. This is to be done by the l10n coordinators.
>
>  There's also a deadline to be set so we don't make the cleanup an endless
> process. August 15th, 2011, seems to be enough, in case someone's on vacation.
> That's 2 weeks before the docs translation period starts and about 1.5 month from now.
> Then we may ask the project maintainers to run a script to remove all those language
> resources.
>
>  If the Transifex stats [2] don't lie, the following teams are to be REMOVED:
>    as_IN
>    bg_BG
>    bn_IN
>    bs_BA
>    ca_ES
>    cz_CZ
>    da_DK
>    de_DE
>    el_GR
>    fa_IR
>    fi_FI
>    fr_FR
>    gu_IN
>    he_IL
>    hi_IN
>    hr_HR
>    hu_HU
>    id_ID
>    is_IS
>    it_IT
>    jp_JP
>    kn_IN
>    ko_KR
>    lt_LT
>    lv_LV
>    ml_IN
>    ms_MY
>    nb_NO
>    nl_NL
>    or_IN
>    pa_IN
>    pl_PL
>    ru_RU
>    sr_RS
>    sr_RS@latin
>    sk_SK
>    sv_SE
>    ta_IN
>    te_IN
>    uk_UA
>    vi_VN
>
>  The following team is to be LEFT INTACT:
>    zh_CN (as opposed to zh_TW and zh_HK)
>
>  The merging task can be accomplished by using the Transifex-client tool available in
> Fedora repository. You will need the language remapping capability introduced in version
> 0.5.2, which is currently in the testing repo. To use now, run:
>  su -c "yum install transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>  or update using the testing repo:
>  su -c "yum update transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>
>  Please give the package transifex-client-0.5.2-1.fc15.noarch [1] good karma so it would
> land in the stable repo soon.
>
>  The procedure has been summarized before [3], there's also a complete manual to the
> tool [4]. It took me less time because I only downloaded one language I wanted. For
> instance, to update the Virtualization Guide I did:
>
>  1. configure the tool to use the chosen resource:
>    a. create a folder, say, "transifex" in the home dir and cd into it
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx init
>    c. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx set --auto-remote
> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide/
>
>  2. pull the "ru_RU" translation modules:
>    a. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx pull -l ru_RU
>
>  3. use language remapping to push the modules as "ru":
>    a. remap the language by adding the line "lang_map = ru:ru_RU" to the main
> section of ~/transifex/.tx/config [5]
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx push --translations -l ru
>
>  4. delete the local files
>
>  You may be able to do the whole docs collection at once using
>  $ tx set --auto-remote https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  as soon as the corresponding ticket [6] is closed.
>
>  [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/transifex
>  [2] https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  [3] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013504.html
>  [4]
> http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/client/devel.html#customizing-the-la...
>  [5] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013465.html
>  [6] http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remote-for-...
>
>  --
>  Best regards,
>  Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor
>  Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306 

Hi,
Thank you for this clear explanation.
I've just done that for fr_FR who can be removed when you want (the fr
team could not access it using transifex, no worries about further
translations).

The updated tx client from the fedora repo was not able to download
the whole project, I had to use the hg tree.


Kévin Raymond
User:shaiton
GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2

[Misha Shnurapet]

Hi.

This is to remind you about one week there's left for the L10N teams coordinators to
sync the four-letter and the two-letter resources before the duplicate teams get removed
from Transifex.

The transifex-client package to give the coordinators ability to remove the duplicate
groups one by one isn't ready. AFAIK, most L10N teams coordinators have no *write*
access to the duplicate teams because they have never been granted the coordinatorship.
That means, should the tx-client package have arrived by August 15th, it would be useless
without the project maintainers still involved. So let's just stick with the current
deadline and then we can ask the project maintainers to remove all the duplicate teams at
once.

According to the thread discussion, the following teams are to be REMOVED:
  as_IN
  bg_BG
  bs_BA
  ca_ES
  cz_CZ
  da_DK
  de_DE
  el_GR
  fa_IR
  fi_FI
  fr_FR
  gu_IN
  he_IL
  hi_IN
  hr_HR
  hu_HU
  id_ID
  is_IS
  it_IT
  jp_JP
  kn_IN
  ko_KR
  lt_LT
  lv_LV
  ml_IN
  ms_MY
  nb_NO
  nl_NL
  or_IN
  pa_IN
  pl_PL
  ru_RU
  sr_RS
  sr_RS@latin
  sk_SK
  sv_SE
  ta_IN
  te_IN
  uk_UA
  vi_VN

The following teams are to be LEFT INTACT:
  bn_IN (is different from bn)
  zh_CN (as opposed to zh_TW and zh_HK)

I hereby include the original message in case someone has been on vacation and missed it.
There are step-by-step instructions given.

02.07.2011, 01:04, "Misha Shnurapet" <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  Hi!
>
>  The docs translation period starts in two months, it would be nice for the l10n teams
> with duplicate language resources on Transifex to have their resources justified.
>
>  From what requires action, the duplicate resources named as regional codes (like ru_RU or
> es_ES) hold our previous work. While the resources named as language identifiers (like ru
> or es) are out of sync or contain empty translations. It means that the project
> translators would lose progress if the project maintainers kill the duplicates now. The
> progressed modules need to be merged in the right place, where these would be available to
> the teams members afterwards. This is to be done by the l10n coordinators.
>
>  There's also a deadline to be set so we don't make the cleanup an endless
> process. August 15th, 2011, seems to be enough, in case someone's on vacation.
> That's 2 weeks before the docs translation period starts and about 1.5 month from now.
> Then we may ask the project maintainers to run a script to remove all those language
> resources.
>
>  The merging task can be accomplished by using the Transifex-client tool available in
> Fedora repository. You will need the language remapping capability introduced in version
> 0.5.2, which is currently in the testing repo. To use now, run:
>  su -c "yum install transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>  or update using the testing repo:
>  su -c "yum update transifex-client --enablerepo=*testing"
>
>  Please give the package transifex-client-0.5.2-1.fc15.noarch [1] good karma so it would
> land in the stable repo soon.
>
>  The procedure has been summarized before [3], there's also a complete manual to the
> tool [4]. It took me less time because I only downloaded one language I wanted. For
> instance, to update the Virtualization Guide I did:
>
>  1. configure the tool to use the chosen resource:
>    a. create a folder, say, "transifex" in the home dir and cd into it
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx init
>    c. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx set --auto-remote
> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide/
>
>  2. pull the "ru_RU" translation modules:
>    a. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx pull -l ru_RU
>
>  3. use language remapping to push the modules as "ru":
>    a. remap the language by adding the line "lang_map = ru:ru_RU" to the main
> section of ~/transifex/.tx/config [5]
>    b. [misha@pc transifex] $ tx push --translations -l ru
>
>  4. delete the local files
>
>  You may be able to do the whole docs collection at once using
>  $ tx set --auto-remote https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  as soon as the corresponding ticket [6] is closed.
>
>  [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/transifex
>  [2] https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-15-docs/
>  [3] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013504.html
>  [4]
> http://help.transifex.net/user-guide/client/devel.html#customizing-the-la...
>  [5] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2011-June/013465.html
>  [6] http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client/issue/17/broken-auto-remote-for-...
-- 
Best regards,
Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor
Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306

[Dimitris Glezos]

2011/8/9 Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  This is to remind you about one week there's left for the L10N
> teams
>  coordinators to sync the four-letter and the two-letter resources before the
>  duplicate teams get removed from Transifex. 
There are a bunch of files on Tx which do not have a team associated
with them. Here's a more accurate list of the actual teams which exist
and will be removed.

 as_IN
 bg_BG
 bs_BA
 ca_ES
 cz_CZ - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 da_DK
 de_DE
 el_GR
 fa_IR - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 fi_FI
 fr_FR
 gu_IN
 he_IL
 hi_IN
 hr_HR -
 hu_HU
 id_ID
 is_IS
 it_IT - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 jp_JP - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 kn_IN
 ko_KR
 lt_LT - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 lv_LV - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 ml_IN
 ms_MY
 nb_NO
 nl_NL
 or_IN
 pa_IN
 pl_PL
 ru_RU - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 sr_RS
 sr_RS@latin
 sk_SK
 sv_SE
 ta_IN - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 te_IN
 uk_UA - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
 vi_VN


To Docs owners:

Is it clear on what should be done from your side to correctly assign
your files to the right translation teams?

We intentionally started this thread early so that there is enough
time to make this actually work. Now is the time to ask questions and
proceed in making your L10n work, not after the release is out.

-d


-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Nathan Thomas]

On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 10:00 +0300, Dimitris Glezos wrote:

>  2011/8/9 Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  > This is to remind you about one week there's left for the L10N teams
>  > coordinators to sync the four-letter and the two-letter resources before the
>  > duplicate teams get removed from Transifex.
>  
>  There are a bunch of files on Tx which do not have a team associated
>  with them. Here's a more accurate list of the actual teams which exist
>  and will be removed.
>  
>   as_IN
>   bg_BG
>   bs_BA
>   ca_ES
>   cz_CZ - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   da_DK
>   de_DE
>   el_GR
>   fa_IR - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   fi_FI
>   fr_FR
>   gu_IN
>   he_IL
>   hi_IN
>   hr_HR -
>   hu_HU
>   id_ID
>   is_IS
>   it_IT - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   jp_JP - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   kn_IN
>   ko_KR
>   lt_LT - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   lv_LV - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   ml_IN
>   ms_MY
>   nb_NO
>   nl_NL
>   or_IN
>   pa_IN
>   pl_PL
>   ru_RU - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   sr_RS
>   sr_RS@latin
>   sk_SK
>   sv_SE
>   ta_IN - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   te_IN
>   uk_UA - TEAM EXISTS. TO BE REMOVED
>   vi_VN
>  
>  
>  To Docs owners:
>  
>  Is it clear on what should be done from your side to correctly assign
>  your files to the right translation teams?
>  
>  We intentionally started this thread early so that there is enough
>  time to make this actually work. Now is the time to ask questions and
>  proceed in making your L10n work, not after the release is out.
>  
>  -d
>   

I've been switching the Live Image Guide to track the two-letter teams
as and when they appear, seems to be working ok. Is there anything you
need us guide owners to do to remove the old four-letter teams?

Guide owners, if you don't think you're going to get round to looking at
this before the 16th give me a shout - I have a little spare time over
the next week, so should be able to give you a hand.

Nathan

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Nathan Thomas
<nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
> > To Docs owners:
> >
> > Is it clear on what should be done from your side to correctly assign
> > your files to the right translation teams?
>
>  I've been switching the Live Image Guide to track the two-letter teams as
>  and when they appear, seems to be working ok. Is there anything you need us
>  guide owners to do to remove the old four-letter teams? 
If you pushed your files to the correct two-letter teams, you can go
on and delete the other ones. Click on the resource-language & there
should be a 'Delete translations' button. Alternatively, you can use
the devel version of the transifex client:

 $ hg clone http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client
 $ cd transifex-client
 $ sudo python setup.py install
 $ tx delete --help
 $ tx delete -r project.resource -l <lang_code>

>  Guide owners, if you don't think you're going to get round to
> looking at
>  this before the 16th give me a shout - I have a little spare time over the
>  next week, so should be able to give you a hand. 
Thanks Nathan!

-d



-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Nathan Thomas]

On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 01:20 +0300, Dimitris Glezos wrote:

>  On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Nathan Thomas
>  <nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  >> To Docs owners:
>  >>
>  >> Is it clear on what should be done from your side to correctly assign
>  >> your files to the right translation teams?
>  >
>  > I've been switching the Live Image Guide to track the two-letter teams as
>  > and when they appear, seems to be working ok. Is there anything you need us
>  > guide owners to do to remove the old four-letter teams?
>  
>  If you pushed your files to the correct two-letter teams, you can go
>  on and delete the other ones. Click on the resource-language & there
>  should be a 'Delete translations' button. Alternatively, you can use
>  the devel version of the transifex client:
>  
>   $ hg clone http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client
>   $ cd transifex-client
>   $ sudo python setup.py install
>   $ tx delete --help
>   $ tx delete -r project.resource -l <lang_code>
>   

If I click on a resource-language in the 'Translation Statistics' list
on
https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-reso... , I
don't see an option to delete translations. Am I looking in the wrong place? Does it
matter that access control is outsourced and that the project is re-using Fedora Project
teams instead of having its own teams?

Thanks,
Nathan

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Nathan Thomas
<nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 01:20 +0300, Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>
>  On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Nathan Thomas
>  <nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
> >> To Docs owners:
> >>
> >> Is it clear on what should be done from your side to correctly assign
> >> your files to the right translation teams?
> >
> > I've been switching the Live Image Guide to track the two-letter teams as
> > and when they appear, seems to be working ok. Is there anything you need
> > us
> > guide owners to do to remove the old four-letter teams?
>
>  If you pushed your files to the correct two-letter teams, you can go
>  on and delete the other ones. Click on the resource-language & there
>  should be a 'Delete translations' button. Alternatively, you can use
>  the devel version of the transifex client:
>
>   $ hg clone http://code.indifex.com/transifex-client
>   $ cd transifex-client
>   $ sudo python setup.py install
>   $ tx delete --help
>   $ tx delete -r project.resource -l <lang_code>
>
>  If I click on a resource-language in the 'Translation Statistics' list on
>  https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-reso...
>  , I don't see an option to delete translations. Am I looking in the wrong
>  place? Does it matter that access control is outsourced and that the project
>  is re-using Fedora Project teams instead of having its own teams? 
You should be able to see "Delete translations" in the popup when you
click on a resource-language, ie. any row of this table for example:

  https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-reso...

-d



-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Misha Shnurapet]

23.08.2011, 17:22, "Dimitris Glezos" <glezos(a)indifex.com&gt;:
>  You should be able to see "Delete translations" in the
> popup when you
>  click on a resource-language, ie. any row of this table for example:
>
>    https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-resources/l/ja_JP/
I'm sorry, but I don't see:
http://shnurapet.fedorapeople.org/txdelete.png

-- 
Best regards,
Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor
Email: shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, IRC: misha on freenode
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/shnurapet, GPG: 00217306

[Dimitris Glezos]

2011/8/23 Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;:
>  23.08.2011, 17:22, "Dimitris Glezos"
> <glezos(a)indifex.com&gt;:
> > You should be able to see "Delete translations" in the popup when you
> > click on a resource-language, ie. any row of this table for example:
> >
> >
>   https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-resources/l/ja_JP/
>
>  I'm sorry, but I don't see:
>  http://shnurapet.fedorapeople.org/txdelete.png 
Only team members & maintainers can see it. ru_RU team has been removed. =)

-d



-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Nathan Thomas]

>  You should be able to see "Delete translations" in the
> popup when you
>  click on a resource-language, ie. any row of this table for example:
>  
>   
> https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-reso...
>  
>  -d
>  
>   

Ok, so I just delete the resources for the old four-letter teams on
Transifex.net, I don't delete anything from my guide git repo?

Sorry to be so slow on the uptake here, but I don't want to mess up
anyone's translations!

Thanks,
Nathan

[Dimitris Glezos]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Nathan Thomas
<nathan(a)afternoondust.co.uk&gt; wrote:
>  You should be able to see "Delete translations" in the
> popup when you
>  click on a resource-language, ie. any row of this table for example:
>
>  https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-live-images/r/all-reso...
>
>  Ok, so I just delete the resources for the old four-letter teams on
>  Transifex.net, I don't delete anything from my guide git repo? 
Yup. Files on Transifex should match teams. You can have any files you
want locally, and, if you have setup correctly your Transifex client,
the next time you pull/push, the client will "rename" (map) local
files (eg. it_IT) to remote ones (eg. it).

-d


-- 
Dimitris Glezos

Transifex: The Multilingual Publishing Revolution
http://www.transifex.net/ -- http://www.indifex.com/

[Nathan Thomas]

Ok this is done now for the Live Image Guide and the Release Notes.

Nathan