Hi, I am wondering where can I find official howtos for Fedora? if there are no official howtos are there any good other online resources?
Cheers, Valent.
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 07:49:31PM +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Hi, I am wondering where can I find official howtos for Fedora? if there are no official howtos are there any good other online resources?
Cheers, Valent.
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On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen eric@christensenplace.us wrote:
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers.
Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)."
I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page?
Valent.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen eric@christensenplace.us wrote:
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers.
Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)."
Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft Administration Guide. You can find it here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/Samba...
It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora 9, which should give it more visibility.
I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper.
I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page?
There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed.
Cheers, Vladimir
Valent.
On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac vnk@mkc.co.nz wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen eric@christensenplace.us wrote:
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers.
Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)."
Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft Administration Guide. You can find it here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/Samba...
It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora 9, which should give it more visibility.
Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here is my experience. I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted.
I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper.
I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page?
There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed.
I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just say how.
Cheers, Valent.
Cheers, Vladimir
Valent.
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:29 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac vnk@mkc.co.nz wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen eric@christensenplace.us wrote:
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers.
Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)."
Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft Administration Guide. You can find it here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/Samba...
It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora 9, which should give it more visibility.
Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here is my experience. I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted.
I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper.
I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page?
There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed.
I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just say how.
Cheers, Valent.
Cheers, Vladimir
Valent.
Only way around that is to start using the internal/console network and not network manager.
I would say that it is a bug but it isn't really. Network Manager will start when you start gnome/kde where as fstab starts a lot earlier.
e.g. service network restart ifup eth0 chkconfig network on chkconfig NetworkManager off
This is one issue with Network Manager.
Cheers,
Marc
On Feb 1, 2008 11:34 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra marc@mwiriadi.id.au wrote:
On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:29 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac vnk@mkc.co.nz wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen eric@christensenplace.us wrote:
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers.
Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)."
Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft Administration Guide. You can find it here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/Samba...
It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora 9, which should give it more visibility.
Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here is my experience. I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted.
I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper.
I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page?
There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed.
I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just say how.
Cheers, Valent.
Cheers, Vladimir
Valent.
Only way around that is to start using the internal/console network and not network manager.
I would say that it is a bug but it isn't really. Network Manager will start when you start gnome/kde where as fstab starts a lot earlier.
e.g. service network restart ifup eth0 chkconfig network on chkconfig NetworkManager off
This is one issue with Network Manager.
Cheers,
Marc
And then I loose all the wireless magic that I can't do without on my laptop :(
On Feb 1, 2008 12:34 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turkovic@gmail.com wrote:
Only way around that is to start using the internal/console network and not network manager.
I would say that it is a bug but it isn't really. Network Manager will start when you start gnome/kde where as fstab starts a lot earlier.
e.g. service network restart ifup eth0 chkconfig network on chkconfig NetworkManager off
This is one issue with Network Manager.
Cheers,
Marc
And then I loose all the wireless magic that I can't do without on my laptop :(
Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, and I need samba shares also...
On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote:
Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops,
Why? I do it all the time ...
I didn't find anything that works anywhere near NetworkManager for using wireless network and hoping to different ones all the time... (home, work, random place that has open wifi :), internet cafes...)
If you have please share it, and if there is such a tool why isn't on by default in fedora?
Valent.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote:
Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops,
Why? I do it all the time ...
I didn't find anything that works anywhere near NetworkManager for using wireless network and hoping to different ones all the time... (home, work, random place that has open wifi :), internet cafes...)
If you have please share it, and if there is such a tool why isn't on by default in fedora?
Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is off-topic for this list.
Rahul
On Feb 1, 2008 5:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote:
Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops,
Why? I do it all the time ...
I didn't find anything that works anywhere near NetworkManager for using wireless network and hoping to different ones all the time... (home, work, random place that has open wifi :), internet cafes...)
If you have please share it, and if there is such a tool why isn't on by default in fedora?
Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is off-topic for this list.
Rahul
This it is not a discussion about wireless tools. And I believe that is polite to answer when somebody asks you a question.
Valent.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
This it is not a discussion about wireless tools. And I believe that is polite to answer when somebody asks you a question.
It clearly looks like a discussion about the functionality of Network Manager and alternatives and presence of such alternatives in the Fedora repository, none of which this list is concerned with. Take it elsewhere.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic
Rahul
On Friday 01 February 2008 04:35:53 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops,
Why? I do it all the time ...
Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is off-topic for this list.
I agree that my (very brief) retort was OT.
However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. All the Fedora documents I have seen on the topic simply give recipes for getting WiFi working, with no discussion of what to do if the recipe does not work, which is all too often the case, as Fedora newsgroups and mailing lists testify.
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:28 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
... a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired.
An on topic response is:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiWritingDrafting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforF... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML
There are a million ideas for what should be documented in Fedora, and only about 0.00002% of them can be handled by this project's current resources.
- Karsten
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 08:21 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:28 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
... a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired.
An on topic response is:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiWritingDrafting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforF... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML
There are a million ideas for what should be documented in Fedora, and only about 0.00002% of them can be handled by this project's current resources.
By which we mean, please get involved and help us fix this glaring omission!
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 15:35 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 08:21 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:28 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
... a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired.
An on topic response is:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiWritingDrafting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforF... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML
There are a million ideas for what should be documented in Fedora, and only about 0.00002% of them can be handled by this project's current resources.
By which we mean, please get involved and help us fix this glaring omission!
+1
Timothy Murphy wrote:
On Friday 01 February 2008 04:35:53 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops,
Why? I do it all the time ...
Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is off-topic for this list.
I agree that my (very brief) retort was OT.
However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired.
Are you willing to contribute and write a document to fulfill that desire? That would indeed be on-topic.
Rahul
On Sunday 03 February 2008 12:22:04 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired.
Are you willing to contribute and write a document to fulfill that desire? That would indeed be on-topic.
Unfortunately, I lack the basic knowledge to write such a document, though I would gladly help if anyone else was working on it.
Many years ago Jean Tourrihes wrote a great article on the subject, http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/, but sadly this is very out of date. I haven't seen anything since then with anything like the same scope.
I'm pretty sure someone writing on the topic needs to know how WiFi works at the lowest hardware level, which I am completely ignorant of.
It has always seemed to me that one of the advantages of Linux, as opposed to Windows, is that one can document a topic from bottom up, explaining how the underlying hardware concepts are implemented in applications.
On Feb 3, 2008 8:50 AM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
On Sunday 03 February 2008 12:22:04 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired.
Are you willing to contribute and write a document to fulfill that desire? That would indeed be on-topic.
Unfortunately, I lack the basic knowledge to write such a document, though I would gladly help if anyone else was working on it.
Tim,
It is a common misconception that you need to know all about something to document it. Nothing could be further from the truth. You only have to have a desire to document it. Developers are almost unanimously happy to impart knowledge to someone who's documenting their work, as opposed to just trying to use it. Documentation means publicity, which leads to users, which leads to stomping bugs.
If you want this to happen, you can make it so. Start an appropriate wiki page and get in contact with the appropriate maintainers. Rahul may be able to help you find the right developer to, for example. Best of luck and thanks for being interested enough to follow up this far.
Paul W. Frields (sig-less)
Paul Frields wrote:
If you want this to happen, you can make it so. Start an appropriate wiki page and get in contact with the appropriate maintainers. Rahul may be able to help you find the right developer to, for example. Best of luck and thanks for being interested enough to follow up this far.
The right developers are
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnLinville (upstream kernel wireless subsystem maintainer)
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DanWilliams (NetworkManager developer and maintainer)
Rahul
On Feb 1, 2008 10:29 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turkovic@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac vnk@mkc.co.nz wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen eric@christensenplace.us wrote:
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Valent, Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki.
Eric
I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers.
Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)."
Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft Administration Guide. You can find it here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/Samba...
It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora 9, which should give it more visibility.
Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here is my experience. I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted.
I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper.
I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page?
There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed.
I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just say how.
Cheers, Valent.
Cheers, Vladimir
Valent.
To get back to original thread. If you believe that this should be started I'll contribute to HowTo section.
Valent.
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