7:49 p.m.
Gang
We need to get the beta announcement out and really needs some love. If you
can, take a peek at the (very) rough draft at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Beta_Announcement and bleed on it.
Better yet, stop by on IRC tomorrow and lets bounce thoughts around.
--McD
9:29 p.m.
On 10/16/2009 06:19 AM, John J. McDonough wrote:
Gang
We need to get the beta announcement out and really needs some love. If
you can, take a peek at the (very) rough draft at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Beta_Announcement and bleed on it.
Better yet, stop by on IRC tomorrow and lets bounce thoughts around.
I don't think I will be on IRC. I have made so major revisions borrowing
heavily from the talking points. Hope that helps.
Rahul
3:43 a.m.
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 07:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 10/16/2009 06:19 AM, John J. McDonough wrote:
> Gang
>
> We need to get the beta announcement out and really needs some love. If
> you can, take a peek at the (very) rough draft at
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Beta_Announcement and bleed on it.
> Better yet, stop by on IRC tomorrow and lets bounce thoughts around.
I don't think I will be on IRC. I have made so major revisions borrowing
heavily from the talking points. Hope that helps.
Rahul and I bashed it around some more today, thanks to Rahul for
dragging me in, I should have been reading the list to keep up with
this.
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7:15 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Williamson" <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
To: <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>; "For participants of the Documentation
Project" <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "John J. McDonough" <wb8rcr(a)arrl.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora 12 Beta Announcement
Rahul and I bashed it around some more today, thanks to Rahul for
dragging me in, I should have been reading the list to keep up with
this.
You gotta love it when everyone gets in on the party. Thanks!
--McD
12:39 p.m.
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:15 -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Williamson" <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
To: <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>; "For participants of the Documentation
Project" <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>
Cc: "John J. McDonough" <wb8rcr(a)arrl.net>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:43 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora 12 Beta Announcement
> Rahul and I bashed it around some more today, thanks to Rahul for
> dragging me in, I should have been reading the list to keep up with
> this.
You gotta love it when everyone gets in on the party. Thanks!
I see more changes keep landing :)
Couple of notes on recent changes:
"Of note, is that by default, Dracut generates generic initramfs images
containing most kernel modules needed to boot on most hardware,
increasing file size by about 3 times. To switch to more efficient
hostonly images, see /etc/dracut.conf." - I don't think this kind of
release note belongs in the beta announcement (if we take this one, I
can contribute all kinds of similar ones to the other sections). At
most, a straight link to the release notes (where this text should
actually be included).
"As always, the Fedora Project continues to push these enhancements
upstream and make them available for all Linux distributions." - it
seems a bit odd to write this _just_ in the webcam section, when
obviously it applies to almost the entire document. Either we should
have a little general blurb about this at the top - something like 'The
Fedora Project's policy is to contribute all its development work to
upstream projects to benefit as many users of all distributions and
operating systems as possible', perhaps with a link elsewhere in the
Wiki to the full policy and 'list of contributions' page - or we don't
mention it at all.
Developers and Sysadmins proposed section - I'm worried the
announcement's already pretty long. In my experience, people tune out
after the first half a page or so. (Most people probably aren't going to
read past 'graphics support improvements' in the current text, IMHO).
Still, not sure what a good solution is. A separate page would be
equally rarely-viewed and it's hard to send out an announcement as
multiple pages. I've been trying to keep the length of the current text
down but it just keeps ballooning...
--
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http://www.happyassassin.net
5:41 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:39:28AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 08:15 -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Williamson" <awilliam(a)redhat.com>
> To: <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>; "For participants of the Documentation
> Project" <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>
> Cc: "John J. McDonough" <wb8rcr(a)arrl.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:43 AM
> Subject: Re: Fedora 12 Beta Announcement
>
>
> > Rahul and I bashed it around some more today, thanks to Rahul for
> > dragging me in, I should have been reading the list to keep up with
> > this.
>
> You gotta love it when everyone gets in on the party. Thanks!
I see more changes keep landing :)
Couple of notes on recent changes:
"Of note, is that by default, Dracut generates generic initramfs images
containing most kernel modules needed to boot on most hardware,
increasing file size by about 3 times. To switch to more efficient
hostonly images, see /etc/dracut.conf." - I don't think this kind of
release note belongs in the beta announcement (if we take this one, I
can contribute all kinds of similar ones to the other sections). At
most, a straight link to the release notes (where this text should
actually be included).
Agreed.
"As always, the Fedora Project continues to push these
enhancements
upstream and make them available for all Linux distributions." - it
seems a bit odd to write this _just_ in the webcam section, when
obviously it applies to almost the entire document. Either we should
have a little general blurb about this at the top - something like 'The
Fedora Project's policy is to contribute all its development work to
upstream projects to benefit as many users of all distributions and
operating systems as possible', perhaps with a link elsewhere in the
Wiki to the full policy and 'list of contributions' page - or we don't
mention it at all.
Agreed again, and I would simply leave this out. This is a beta
announcement and not a policy statement.
Developers and Sysadmins proposed section - I'm worried the
announcement's already pretty long. In my experience, people tune out
after the first half a page or so. (Most people probably aren't going to
read past 'graphics support improvements' in the current text, IMHO).
Still, not sure what a good solution is. A separate page would be
equally rarely-viewed and it's hard to send out an announcement as
multiple pages. I've been trying to keep the length of the current text
down but it just keeps ballooning...
I made a few corrections but likely much has changed since then, and I
withheld my knife/machete/axe at the time. We have consistently faced
a problem of what should be simple texts growing out of proportion to
their readership's attention span.
My advice: Cut mercilessly!
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6:17 p.m.
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 18:41 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
I made a few corrections but likely much has changed since then, and
I
withheld my knife/machete/axe at the time. We have consistently faced
a problem of what should be simple texts growing out of proportion to
their readership's attention span.
My advice: Cut mercilessly!
Well, I did that a few days ago, and then it ballooned back again :)
I had it down to a low of 9,561 bytes on the 16th, it's at 12,858 as
published. Oh, well. Some of the changes were actual features that
weren't mentioned before, but a lot were notes of people who had been
involved with each change. I suppose there may be a Red Hat angle on
this (RH would like its generous contributions noted :>) but it did
stretch things out quite a lot, and that was without systematically
attributing _everything_ mentioned - so the final document is somewhat
'unfair' (some people are credited but others who could have been
aren't). If we'd credited all the changes mentioned, it would've been
even huger.
Oh well, these constitute notes for the future, I guess.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
6:21 p.m.
On 10/21/2009 04:47 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
I had it down to a low of 9,561 bytes on the 16th, it's at 12,858
as
published. Oh, well. Some of the changes were actual features that
weren't mentioned before, but a lot were notes of people who had been
involved with each change. I suppose there may be a Red Hat angle on
this (RH would like its generous contributions noted :>) but it did
stretch things out quite a lot, and that was without systematically
attributing _everything_ mentioned - so the final document is somewhat
'unfair' (some people are credited but others who could have been
aren't). If we'd credited all the changes mentioned, it would've been
even huger.
Oh well, these constitute notes for the future, I guess.
Copy paste the Fedora 12 Beta announcement into
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Announcement and you can make
all those changes you wanted right away. On the plus side, I got
positive feedback when I send the announcement over to media outlets.
Rahul
12:40 a.m.
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 04:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 10/21/2009 04:47 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I had it down to a low of 9,561 bytes on the 16th, it's at 12,858 as
> published. Oh, well. Some of the changes were actual features that
> weren't mentioned before, but a lot were notes of people who had been
> involved with each change. I suppose there may be a Red Hat angle on
> this (RH would like its generous contributions noted :>) but it did
> stretch things out quite a lot, and that was without systematically
> attributing _everything_ mentioned - so the final document is somewhat
> 'unfair' (some people are credited but others who could have been
> aren't). If we'd credited all the changes mentioned, it would've been
> even huger.
>
> Oh well, these constitute notes for the future, I guess.
Copy paste the Fedora 12 Beta announcement into
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Announcement and you can make
all those changes you wanted right away. On the plus side, I got
positive feedback when I send the announcement over to media outlets.
Oh, it's definitely good, didn't want to give any other impression! Just
thinking of ways to make it better.
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
7:14 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rahul Sundaram" <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org>
To: "John J. McDonough" <wb8rcr(a)arrl.net>; "For participants of the
Documentation Project" <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora 12 Beta Announcement
I don't think I will be on IRC. I have made so major revisions
borrowing
heavily from the talking points. Hope that helps.
Rahul, I caught your updates last night - very good, thanks for the help.
--McD
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