Re: Your Fedora 'docs' membership has been downgraded

[Robert 'Bob' Jensen]

Forgive my top post but this client is problematic.  Gave up on working with upstream to
fix it.

In the past when changes like this happened they were discussed and an attempt to contact
the people effected was made.  This is the problem and the most annoying point of this
whole action item.  I don't care about the change in status, in fact I agree with it I
have not been able to be active in quite some time.  I have been trying to read the
meeting minutes or summaries so that I can speak up if needed or chip in for a very small
task.  Hopefully in this calendar year things can get back to having more time to
contribute.

You know where to find me.

Best Regards, 
Robert 'Bob' Jensen

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In general, I think any team ought to reach out to people if access
levels need to change for some reason.  An example might be packager
group changes, which are typically relayed to fedora-devel-announce.
I think that Eric was discussing the need to put active people in
sponsorship roles on IRC earlier.  I talked to him briefly and we
agreed that these sorts of things should go to the list first, to give
plenty of notice.  Let's also try and cut Eric a bit of slack while
he's getting the hang of holding the reins of the team -- there's a
lot going on, and I'm sure no slight was intended.

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Your Fedora 'docs' membership has been downgraded

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:46:41PM +0000, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
>  Forgive my top post but this client is problematic.  Gave up on
>  working with upstream to fix it.
>  
>  In the past when changes like this happened they were discussed and
>  an attempt to contact the people effected was made.  This is the
>  problem and the most annoying point of this whole action item.  I
>  don't care about the change in status, in fact I agree with it I
>  have not been able to be active in quite some time.  I have been
>  trying to read the meeting minutes or summaries so that I can speak
>  up if needed or chip in for a very small task.  Hopefully in this
>  calendar year things can get back to having more time to contribute.
>  
>  You know where to find me. 
I agree that teams should always put the communicate phase before the
action phase.  With a community that's so spread out and mostly
populated by willing volunteers, the most effective way of doing that
is getting something onto the mailing list.  That way, transparency is
preserved, and discussion can happen wherever needed.

I'm sure that as the people working on this team get comfortable in
their roles, there will be new and better ways to contribute and
collaborate with each other.  The Docs team always has been, and
should remain, open to everyone to participate as little or as much as
they wish.  I'm certain Eric, John, Susan, David, and the other folks
who have stepped up to lead this team will do their best to make that
happen.

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Your Fedora 'docs' membership has been downgraded

[Robert 'Bob' Jensen]

Should http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_charter be revised? 
It is no longer valid as it stands.

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Subject: Re: Your Fedora 'docs' membership has been downgraded


I agree that teams should always put the communicate phase before the
action phase.  With a community that's so spread out and mostly
populated by willing volunteers, the most effective way of doing that
is getting something onto the mailing list.  That way, transparency is
preserved, and discussion can happen wherever needed.

I'm sure that as the people working on this team get comfortable in
their roles, there will be new and better ways to contribute and
collaborate with each other.  The Docs team always has been, and
should remain, open to everyone to participate as little or as much as
they wish.  I'm certain Eric, John, Susan, David, and the other folks
who have stepped up to lead this team will do their best to make that
happen.

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Your Fedora 'docs' membership has been downgraded

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:39:46PM +0000, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
>  Should
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_charter
>  be revised?  It is no longer valid as it stands. 
I agree, there's a lot of outdated process pages that need to be swept
away, and that's probably one of them.  These probably need to happen
as part of a concerted effort so we don't end up with half missing and
half broken.

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Your Fedora 'docs' membership has been downgraded

[Eric Christensen]

On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 13:34 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 04:39:46PM +0000, Robert 'Bob' Jensen
> wrote:
>  > Should
>  > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Steering_Committee_charter
>  > be revised?  It is no longer valid as it stands.
>  
>  I agree, there's a lot of outdated process pages that need to be swept
>  away, and that's probably one of them.  These probably need to happen
>  as part of a concerted effort so we don't end up with half missing and
>  half broken. 
I agree fully.  I've started a "talk" page to discuss specific changes.

Eric


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