filename

[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,

It is a question about fedora-docs.
Almost all the file names of fedora-docs do not correspond to multilingual.

ex)
documentation-guide/documentation-guide.xml
developer-guide/developers-guide.xml 

Originally you should be as follows.

ex)
documentation-guide/documentation-guide-en.xml
developer-guide/developers-guide-en.xml 

Is such correction made?

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[Tammy Fox]

Good point. I will make such corrections in CVS.

Cheers,
Tammy

On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:31:06PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  It is a question about fedora-docs.
>  Almost all the file names of fedora-docs do not correspond to multilingual.
>  
>  ex)
>  documentation-guide/documentation-guide.xml
>  developer-guide/developers-guide.xml 
>  
>  Originally you should be as follows.
>  
>  ex)
>  documentation-guide/documentation-guide-en.xml
>  developer-guide/developers-guide-en.xml 
>  
>  Is such correction made?
>  
>  ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7
>  Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:[e-mail]
>  Yokukitana http://elf.no-ip.org/
>  Yokukitana with PukiWiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/
>  
>

[Tammy Fox]

Done. I tested the guides, and they still build. Let me know if you
see any problems.

Tam

On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 08:48:22AM -0500, Tammy Fox wrote:
>  Good point. I will make such corrections in CVS.
>  
>  Cheers,
>  Tammy
>  
>  On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:31:06PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > It is a question about fedora-docs.
>  > Almost all the file names of fedora-docs do not correspond to multilingual.
>  > 
>  > ex)
>  > documentation-guide/documentation-guide.xml
>  > developer-guide/developers-guide.xml 
>  > 
>  > Originally you should be as follows.
>  > 
>  > ex)
>  > documentation-guide/documentation-guide-en.xml
>  > developer-guide/developers-guide-en.xml 
>  > 
>  > Is such correction made?
>  > 
>  > ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7
>  > Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:[e-mail]
>  > Yokukitana http://elf.no-ip.org/
>  > Yokukitana with PukiWiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/
>  > 
>  > 
>  
>  
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[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,
Thanks your works.
Regard.

Tammy Fox's<20031121224542.GE12282(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Done. I tested the guides, and they still build. Let me know if you
> see any problems.
>
> Tam
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 08:48:22AM -0500, Tammy Fox wrote:
> > Good point. I will make such corrections in CVS.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Tammy
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:31:06PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > It is a question about fedora-docs.
> > > Almost all the file names of fedora-docs do not correspond to 
> multilingual.
> > > 
> > > ex)
> > > documentation-guide/documentation-guide.xml
> > > developer-guide/developers-guide.xml 
> > > 
> > > Originally you should be as follows.
> > > 
> > > ex)
> > > documentation-guide/documentation-guide-en.xml
> > > developer-guide/developers-guide-en.xml 
> > > 
> > > Is such correction made?
> > > 
> > > ----.----1----.----2----.----3----.----4----.----5----.----6----.----7
> > > Tadashi Jokagi/Shibuya city mailto:[e-mail]
> > > Yokukitana http://elf.no-ip.org/
> > > Yokukitana with PukiWiki http://elf.no-ip.org/wiki/
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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>
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[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,

I thought that it would contribute to bugzilla.
However, since a category was not found, it gave up;-)
ENTITY has a mistake.

RCS file: /usr/local/CVS/fedora-docs/install-guide/fedora-install-guide-en.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 fedora-install-guide-en.xml
12c12
< <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM "../common/legalnotice.xml">
---
>  <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM
> "../common/legalnotice-en.xml"> 
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mistake entity (was: filename)

[Dave Pawson]

At 09:35 28/11/2003, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I thought that it would contribute to bugzilla.
> However, since a category was not found, it gave up;-)
> ENTITY has a mistake.
>
> RCS file: 
> /usr/local/CVS/fedora-docs/install-guide/fedora-install-guide-en.xml,v
> retrieving revision 1.1
> diff -r1.1 fedora-install-guide-en.xml
> 12c12
> < <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM "../common/legalnotice.xml"> 
Would a net address be easier,
then we could map it to a local file via a catalog?
   Tammy?

regards DaveP

mistake entity (was: filename)

[Naoki Shigematsu]

Hi,

>  >RCS file: 
>  >/usr/local/CVS/fedora-docs/install-guide/fedora-install-guide-en.xml,v
>  >retrieving revision 1.1
>  >diff -r1.1 fedora-install-guide-en.xml
>  >12c12
>  >< <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM "../common/legalnotice.xml">
>  
>  Would a net address be easier, 
Sure -- It seems to be better to use Content Negotiation.
Example:
	index.html.en
	index.html.ja
	index.html.de

Although it is not a not good way,

It is realizable if a docbook html template is changed.
It is necessary to also change fedora-docs/*/Makefile.

It is as follows if it does by this method.

developers-guide/*.html.en
                 *.html.ja
                 *.html.de

Other ideas?

[/usr/share/xmlto/format/docbook/html]
==
--- html.default        2003-12-01 03:05:46.000000000 +0900
+++ html        2003-12-01 04:47:33.000000000 +0900
@@ -7,6 +7,11 @@
   echo "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/html/chunk.xsl"
   ;;
 post-process)
-  cp -- * "$OUTPUT_DIR"
+  if [ ! -z "$LANG" ]
+  then
+    for i in *; do
+      cp -- $i "$OUTPUT_DIR"/$i.$LANG
+    done
+  fi
   ;;
 esac

[$FEDORA-DOCS/*/Makefile]
==
--- Makefile.default    2003-11-22 07:39:22.000000000 +0900
+++ Makefile    2003-12-01 04:03:34.000000000 +0900
@@ -10,8 +10,9 @@
 XSLPDF         = ../xsl/main-pdf.xsl
 XSLHTML        = ../xsl/main-html.xsl
 LANG           = en
-DOCNAME        = developers-guide-$(LANG)
-XMLFILE        = $(DOCNAME).xml
+#DOCNAME        = developers-guide-$(LANG)
+DOCNAME        = developers-guide
+XMLFILE        = $(DOCNAME)-$(LANG).xml


 ######################################################
 html:

--
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mistake entity (was: filename)

[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,

I propose creating the directory of a language name.

ex)
- /de/developers-guide/index.html
- /en/developers-guide/index.html
- /ja/developers-guide/index.html

Reason

- There is no reason in being intermingled by many languages.
-- However, there may be a merit about a web page.
- It is hard to treat with a local file system.
- Finally, the number of files becomes huge.

As far as I know, as for a many languages manual, PHP's is consulted very much.
If there is time, please make it reference.

http://pear.php.net/manual/
http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/peardoc

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[Tammy Fox]

Sorry about that. I fixed it in CVS.

Tammy

On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:35:45PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I thought that it would contribute to bugzilla.
>  However, since a category was not found, it gave up;-)
>  ENTITY has a mistake.
>  
>  RCS file: /usr/local/CVS/fedora-docs/install-guide/fedora-install-guide-en.xml,v
>  retrieving revision 1.1
>  diff -r1.1 fedora-install-guide-en.xml
>  12c12
>  < <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM "../common/legalnotice.xml">
>  ---
>  > <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM "../common/legalnotice-en.xml">
>  
>  -- 
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>  
>  
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[Tammy Fox]

On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:05:43PM +0000, Dave Pawson wrote:
>  At 09:35 28/11/2003, you wrote:
>  >Hi,
>  >
>  >I thought that it would contribute to bugzilla.
>  >However, since a category was not found, it gave up;-)
>  >ENTITY has a mistake.
>  >
>  >RCS file: 
>  >/usr/local/CVS/fedora-docs/install-guide/fedora-install-guide-en.xml,v
>  >retrieving revision 1.1
>  >diff -r1.1 fedora-install-guide-en.xml
>  >12c12
>  >< <!ENTITY LEGALNOTICE SYSTEM "../common/legalnotice.xml">
>  
>  Would a net address be easier,
>  then we could map it to a local file via a catalog?
>    Tammy?
>   
I would rather keep it all in CVS. Everyone has to checkout the module
anyway. Being able to compile without an Internet is nice if you need
to work on the road or elsewhere

Tammy

>  regards DaveP
>  
>  
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[Tammy Fox]

Are you proposing this for the website or CVS?

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 08:09:47AM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I propose creating the directory of a language name.
>  
>  ex)
>  - /de/developers-guide/index.html
>  - /en/developers-guide/index.html
>  - /ja/developers-guide/index.html
>  
>  Reason
>  
>  - There is no reason in being intermingled by many languages.
>  -- However, there may be a merit about a web page.
>  - It is hard to treat with a local file system.
>  - Finally, the number of files becomes huge.
>  
>  As far as I know, as for a many languages manual, PHP's is consulted very much.
>  If there is time, please make it reference.
>  
>  http://pear.php.net/manual/
>  http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/peardoc
>  
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[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,

Tammy Fox's "Re: mistake entity (was: filename)" wrote:
> Are you proposing this for the website or CVS? 
It is website.
As for PHP, CVS is also the same.
However, if the optimal, I think that now is still sufficient as CVS.

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mistake entity (was: filename)

[Dave Pawson]

At 02:12 02/12/2003, you wrote:
>  > Would a net address be easier,
>  > then we could map it to a local file via a catalog?
>  >   Tammy?
>  >
>
> I would rather keep it all in CVS. Everyone has to checkout the module
> anyway. Being able to compile without an Internet is nice if you need
> to work on the road or elsewhere 
Which is where the catalog proves its worth.
http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/Catalogs.html
and
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/entity/background/9401.html
Norm explains it well at
http://wwws.sun.com/software/xml/developers/resolver/article/

regards DaveP

mistake entity (was: filename)

[Tammy Fox]

On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:22:16PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Tammy Fox's "Re: mistake entity (was: filename)" wrote:
>  >Are you proposing this for the website or CVS?
>  
>  It is website.
>  As for PHP, CVS is also the same.
>  However, if the optimal, I think that now is still sufficient as CVS.
>   
For the website, we will probably go with a fedora.redhat.com/<lang>/
or <lang>.fedora.redhat.com so the translated versions can be divided
into separate virtual servers.

For CVS, the translation team has already started to create the
structure using a po/ subdirectory in each directory that contains a
document. The Makefile will allow you to generate translatable po
files from the source DocBook XML files, translate the translated po
files back into translated DocBook XML files, and generate HTML
output. They are also writing a document about the process.

Regards,
Tammy

mistake entity (was: filename)

[Naoki Shigematsu]

Hi,

>  For the website, we will probably go with a
> fedora.redhat.com/<lang>/
>  or <lang>.fedora.redhat.com so the translated versions can be divided
>  into separate virtual servers. 
Nice!
About what time can this be used?

Thanks.

-- 
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Fedora JP Project

mistake entity (was: filename)

[Tadashi Jokagi]

      上鍵です．こんにちわ．

[e-mail]さんの<20031203160035.GE4099(a)redhat.xn--com>-153f0t
> For the website, we will probably go with a
> fedora.redhat.com/<lang>/
> or <lang>.fedora.redhat.com so the translated versions can be divided
> into separate virtual servers. 
Nice!!

> For CVS, the translation team has already started to create the
> structure using a po/ subdirectory in each directory that contains a
> document. The Makefile will allow you to generate translatable po
> files from the source DocBook XML files, translate the translated po
> files back into translated DocBook XML files, and generate HTML
> output. They are also writing a document about the process. 
I have seldom understood.
I will check what was completed.
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[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,

tfox(a)redhat.com's "Re: mistake entity (was: filename)" wrote:
> For CVS, the translation team has already started to create the
> structure using a po/ subdirectory in each directory that contains a 
(snip)

Is this portion mail subject of "Software translation steps"?
I do not understand the meaning which uses po for translation of a docbook document.
What do I misunderstand?

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[Naoki Shigematsu]

Hi,

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:50:09 +0900
Tadashi Jokagi <ml(a)elf.no-ip.org&gt; wrote:

>  Is this portion mail subject of "Software translation
> steps"?
>  I do not understand the meaning which uses po for translation of a docbook document.
>  What do I misunderstand? 
This mail is described about _Software_ translation, not a docbook document.

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mistake entity (was: filename)

[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,
Naoki Shigematsuさんの「Re: mistake entity (was: filename)」から
> This mail is described about _Software_ translation, not a docbook
> document. 
I understood.
It was the talk of docbook from the first.
Since po had come there, it got confused.
My understanding was right if it was the talk of software.

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[Tadashi Jokagi]

Hi,

I also proposed in the past.

Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:09:47 +0900
Message-ID: <3fca78bb.2183%ml(a)elf.no-ip.org&gt;

+1 vote.

There is also another problem in addition to file composition now.
It is using xmlto.
That is because xmlto probably does not correspond to many languages.
The character code of docbook is UTF-8.
On the level, it is multilingual correspondence.
However, HTML outputted is ASCII and a HTML entity.
For example, now, it is difficult to create text browsing environment.
Moreover, combined use of each text filter or a format conversion program is difficult.

It seems that this problem can be avoided if openjapde is used.
HTML created by PHP can do a full-text search.
#The site of PHP is an English full-text search. ;-(

Is there any evasion method of this problem by xmlto?

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[Tim Waugh]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 06:34:59PM +0900, Tadashi Jokagi wrote:

[the fact that non-ASCII characters come out as HTML entities even
 with UTF-8 output]
>  Is there any evasion method of this problem by xmlto? 
We saw this with anaconda too, but I think Matt Wilson just added
support in anaconda for reading the entities.

It would be a good idea to create a tiny example document that shows
the behaviour, and file it in bugzilla -- against xmlto if you like,
although I think it is probably either xsltproc or the DocBook
stylesheets that cause it.

Tim.
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