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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: New version of The Electric VLSI Design System
by Aanjhan R 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

FYI. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Steven Rubin <strubin(a)staticfreesoft.com> Date: Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 7:42 PM Subject: New version of The Electric VLSI Design System To: discuss-gnu-electric(a)gnu.org Cc: info-gnu(a)gnu.org, electricvlsi(a)googlegroups.com I am pleased to announce that version 8.08 of the Electric VLSI Design System is now available. This release includes many improvements and bug fixes. Notable improvements include a faster ERC well check and a new fill generator. Visit us at www.staticfreesoft.com for downloads and documentation. As always, the source code is free. Happy designing! -Steven Rubin P.S. A new feature on the Static Free Software website is a map showing the location of all Electric users in the world: http://www.staticfreesoft.com/electricLocations.html Find yourself and see who is near you. I welcome all comments and updates to this page. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Electric VLSI Editor" group. To post to this group, send email to electricvlsi(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to electricvlsi+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/electricvlsi?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -- Aanjhan ------------ http://www.tuxmaniac.com

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Something like this for FEL?
by Aanjhan R 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

It would be nice to have something liek this for FEL too http://www.staticfreesoft.com/electricLocations.html Regards, Aanjhan

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Re: Urgent: Fedora Electronic Lab + Educational SW
by Chitlesh GOORAH 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Danishka Navin <danishka(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Chitlesh, > > How are you? > Next week I have two workshops for school teachers and it mainly for > non-tech and windows based school teachers . Basically I will give them a > hands on training for how to install Fedora, updates, and relevant > educational packages. > > More over I will do few more workshops for the next year as well. > > Can you do me a favor? > > I need kind of extended version of FEL. :) > As you setup the FEL DVD is just 1.2GB. > Could you make a DVD iso by adding other Fedora educational sofwares. > Then teachers can work on other educational SW on the same DVD. > > I am not asking to change your FEL DVD structure. > Let it be 1.2GB as you did. > Pls give me a new iso which includes both FEL and Educational software. > > * Why I can't do it myself? > Here I have a poor ADSL connectivity. > So, running a script and downloading hole stuff for trial and error is much > difficult. > > So, pls help me. I really want to spread FEL with other Fedora stuff. :) > > Waiting for a positive response. > > Best Regards, > Danishka > Dear Danishka, I'm happy to hear from you and your workshops. If you install Fedora Electronic Lab, you can yum install all educational software. Likewise if you install fedora from the standard iso, you can still yum install any electronic software. Unfortunately I can't merge electronic and educational software in the FEL Livedvd iso for the following reasons: - I am the only one maintaining FEL as full-time - the use of educational software is vast and targets various categories of users (astronomy, biology, math,..). for each one of them the age of the users should be taken into account. We had a Fedora Educational spin in the past. I'm CC: the fedora board mailing list hoping someone can revive and maintain a Fedora Education spin. Maybe if you give us a list of software you wish to have for your workshops, maybe fedora can spin a special LiveDVD for your workshops while you will promote fedora. I ask the approval from Fedora Board for such a spin through this email. Thereby I invite you to join our Fedora Ambassador Project and be one of our Fedora Ambassadors. You can also meet other Fedora Ambassadors in your region who might help you as well for your events. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Kind regards, Chitlesh

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] elettrolinux
by Chitlesh GOORAH 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

Hello there, FYI http://elettrolinux.com/index.php/home It can be a frontend to follow opensource EDA news. Thereby keeping us tuned to provide the tools. Chitlesh

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] LEGAL:Distributing SystemC
by Chitlesh GOORAH 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

Dear SystemC-forum and developers, Before I explain what the problem with Systemc's license is , let me first introduce my intentions. I am a community member of Fedora project. https://fedoraproject.org/ My contribution to this _non profit_ organisation is to make the deployment of opensource EDA tools easier, under the Fedora Electronic Lab umbrella. http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL We are not in competition with other EDA vendors. Thereby I was packaging SystemC for Fedora. However, after consulting Red Hat Lawyers, Systemc's license is not valid to include it into Fedora's repositories. There is a third-party repository for fedora (not supported by the fedora project) : rpmfusion which deals with such licensing issues. http://rpmfusion.org/ I have spent many days trying to fix SystemC for gcc4, use dynamic libraries instead of static, ... etc. But the contributors behind the non-profit rpmfusion and I are worried about the distribution of Systemc. We have been in contact with Red Hat Lawyers to give us some advice on this matter. You will find below their recommendations. With this email, I am asking SystemC developers to please modify SystemC license in such a way that it makes distribution easier. Recently, Cadence and Mentors announced OVM is available under the Apache 2 license. Can Synopsys do the same with SystemC ? or at least a license which facilitates distribution. You will have all my work done (patches) on integrating SystemC in Fedora/Red Hat based linux operating systems. If SystemC's license is updated as I wish, I will work with SELinux developers to fix the memory flags that SELinux is blocking. My request in this email is to facilitate the tasks of everyone :- - me as a non-profit distributor - any fedora user will have SystemC well integrated in the linux distribution and he/she doesn't have to spend days compiling Systemc. - SystemC developers will have all my patches. However, if Systemc's developers reject my request, I will not distribute Systemc and abide to the legal terms. Below are some recommendations to update SystemC's license: This is specifically commenting on the current version 3.0 of the SystemC license. http://www.systemc.org/about/org_docs/license/ The most significant problem is section 2.7, concerning trademarks. I would suggest both of the following: (a) Eliminating 2.7 in its entirety. Trademark issues are dealt with adequately in section 2.5. However, another (redundant) possibility is to replace the existing 2.7 in its entirety with one sentence: This Agreement grants no permission to use the marks or logos of OSCI. (b) Sever Exhibit D completely from the license. There are other issues that might not rise to the level of non-free-ness but have been pointed out by the FSF as being problematic (and in some cases clarification of meaning or purpose would lead to the conclusion that the clauses in question make the license non-free). The following suggestions would address these: (a) Eliminate the following: PLEASE READ THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE CLICKING ON THE "ACCEPT" BUTTON, AS BY CLICKING ON THE "ACCEPT" BUTTON YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE READ, UNDERSTOOD AND AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT AND ALL OF ITS TERMS AND CONDITIONS. (Note that there's other language that deals with acceptance below this language.) (b) In section 2.6, replace the term "proprietary notices" with "legal notices". (c) Replace section 5 with the following: Any Recipient which Distributes any Contribution and/or OSCI Release in a commercial offering (a "Commercial Distributor") may accept certain responsibilities with respect to end users, business partners and the like. While this license is intended to facilitate the commercial use of Contributions and OSCI Releases, a Commercial Distributor should do so in a manner which does not create potential liability for the Contributors. Therefore, each Commercial Distributor hereby agrees to defend and indemnify every Contributor ("Indemnified Contributor") against any losses, damages and costs (collectively "Losses") arising from claims, lawsuits and other legal actions brought by a third party against the Indemnified Contributor to the extent they directly result from the acts or omissions of such Commercial Distributor in connection with the terms and conditions under which the Commercial Distributor offered such Contributions and OSCI releases in a commercial product offering. The obligations in this Section 5 do not apply to any claims or Losses relating to any actual or alleged intellectual property infringement. In order to qualify, an Indemnified Contributor must: a) promptly notify the Commercial Distributor in writing of such claim, and b) allow the Commercial Distributor to control, and cooperate with the Commercial Distributor in, the defense and any related settlement negotiations. The Indemnified Contributor may participate in the defense of any such claim at its own expense. For example, a Recipient might include a Contribution in a commercial product offering, Product X. That Contributor is then a Commercial Distributor. If that Commercial Distributor then makes performance claims, or offers warranties, support or indemnity related to Product X, those performance claims, offers and other terms are such Commercial Distributor's responsibility alone. Under this Section 5, the Commercial Distributor would have to defend claims against the Contributors directly arising out of those performance claims, offers, and other terms, and if a court requires any Contributor to pay any damages as a result, the Commercial Distributor must pay those damages. Alternatively, and preferably, eliminate section 5 altogether. Kind regards, Chitlesh

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] SystemC License issue
by Chitlesh GOORAH 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

Hello there, While systemc's review (rpmfusion) is nearly over and a lot of work has been done, we are now worried about its license. You will find the license here: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/systemC/License.pdf Section 5 states: A Recipient who Distributes the Program (a "Distributor") may accept certain responsibilities with respect to end users, business partners and the like. While this license is intended to facilitate the commercial use of the Program, a Distributor shall Distribute the Program in a manner which does not create potential liability for Contributors. Therefore each Distributor hereby agrees to defend and indemnify every Contributor ("Indemnified Contributor") against any losses, damages and costs (collectively "Losses") arising from claims, lawsuits and other legal actions brought by a third party against the Indemnified Contributor to the extent caused by the acts or omissions of such Distributor, including but not limited to the terms and conditions under which Distributor offered the Program, in connection with its Distribution of the Program. The obligations in this section do not apply to any claims or Losses relating to any actual or alleged intellectual property infringement of the Program. In order to qualify, an Indemnified Contributor must: (a) promptly notify the Distributor in writing of such claim, and (b) allow the Distributor to control, and cooperate with the Distributor in, the defense and any related settlement negotiations. The Indemnified Contributor may participate in the defense of any such claim at its own expense. Can anyone clarify whether it is valid for rpmfusion ? fedora/RH Legal has tagged SystemC's license as non-free. regards, Chitlesh

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: Student Projects using Electric
by Aanjhan R 19 Dec '08

19 Dec '08

Nice info below :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: pallav <pallavgupta(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM Subject: Student Projects using Electric To: Electric VLSI Editor <electricvlsi(a)googlegroups.com> My junior undergraduate students in ECE 3450 (Digital Electronics) and I have used Electric for the first time. They have been very happy with this tool (as have I) and have immense praise for it (ease of use, allowing them to see 3D structures, nice IRSIM simulator, etc). As a result, each one of them has successfully laid out relatively complex circuits using Electric on their own. If interested, please visit http://pandim.ece.villanova.edu/index.php/teaching-mainmenu-44/20-fall-2008… to see their projects. Twelve weeks ago, few of them knew what a transistor was or what CMOS is all about. Electric has played a very significant role in their education. Many are now eager to learn more about VLSI design. If there are any instructors or non-undergraduate students (sorry) here who would like the source files for the projects to use in their own courses (tutorials, labs, etc)/learning, I'll be happy to share them with you. Feel free to contact me. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Electric VLSI Editor" group. To post to this group, send email to electricvlsi(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to electricvlsi+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/electricvlsi?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -- Aanjhan ------------ http://www.tuxmaniac.com

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Interests
by Aniruddha 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Dear Sir; I am thinking of learning as I work with you, from the table of contents in FEL webpage I could make out "PCB Layout and Circuit Design, Micro Controller (µC) Programming And Embedded Systems Development" could be interesting. I would request you to judge my skills as I am a novice. Thanks In Advance -----Original Message----- From: fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-electronic-lab-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of fedora-electronic-lab-list-request(a)redhat.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:30 PM To: fedora-electronic-lab-list(a)redhat.com Subject: Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 Send Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list submissions to fedora-electronic-lab-list(a)redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-electronic-lab-list-request(a)redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-electronic-lab-list-owner(a)redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-electronic-lab-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fedora-electronic-lab-list (Chitlesh GOORAH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:03:51 +0100 From: "Chitlesh GOORAH" <chitlesh(a)fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fedora-electronic-lab-list To: fedora-electronic-lab-list <fedora-electronic-lab-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <13dbfe4f0812141203m7fa932a0n7a3349106d88be53(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Aniruddha wrote: > Should I therefore keep update processes running in future? I would also > like to be any help I could do for this society, although I am not an linux > literate, or programmer. Hello, I need some help to verify whether the documentation and examples of the FEL apps are uptodate. Tell me, what field of electronics you are interested in ? ASIC, embedded PCB ..? Depending on your interest you could help me verify the examples. If some examples are not working for some reasons, you will have to report it here in this mailing list or in bugzilla. Afterwards, I'll update the packages as appropriate and upstream will be notified. Does this sound interesting for you ? Kind regards, Chitlesh ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fedora-electronic-lab-list mailing list Fedora-electronic-lab-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-electronic-lab-list End of Fedora-electronic-lab-list Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 *********************************************************

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: gEDA-announce: Press release: gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability
by Chitlesh GOORAH 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

Some good news from Stuart: (in case you missed it) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stuart Brorson < hidden > Date: Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:23 PM Subject: gEDA-announce: Press release: gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability Good news for gEDA users! Please read the below press release, of interest to all gEDA users. It has gone out to a variety of EE news sources, as well as mainstream press release sites. Cheers, Stuart December 15th, 2008 gEDA Project and Linux Fund partner to boost gEDA/PCB usability Help bring open source circuit board design into the mainstream. The gEDA Project is pleased to announce that it has partnered with Linux Fund in a fundraising effort targeted to expedite development of gEDA's flagship PCB layout program "PCB". Within this partnership, expert gEDA/PCB developer DJ Delorie has agreed to implement a set of enhancements designed to upgrade PCB's usability and utility for electronics designers, making it an attractive open source alternative to commercial PCB design tools. With this project, gEDA/PCB joins the VectorSection DWG interpreter project as part of Linux Fund's growing open engineering and hardware initiative. PCB is a twenty year old application. Originally written in 1990 for the Atari ST, the program was ported to Unix in 1994. Over the years, it has been maintained and extended by a series of developers who have added improvements and new features, including the ability to export Gerber RS-274x files, an autorouter, and a GTK port. Mr Delorie is currently one of the chief developers involved with PCB, having become involved with the project in 2002. DJ Delorie is well known within the open source community as the author of djgpp, a popular port of the gcc compiler to DOS. He is also a long time user of PCB, having used the program to design a net-enabled alarm clock which won second place in Circuit Cellar Magazine's "Microchip embedded control" design contest in 2007. His commitment to work on PCB usability enhancements in conjunction with funding from the Linux Fund represents a major step forward for the gEDA Project, as well as a welcome boost to the open-hardware movement. gEDA/PCB upgrade work description: * Implement forward annotation using action scripts * GUI modernization * Enhance ability to create and edit arbitrary layer types * Develop a new Footprint Editor * Update Design Rule Checking About the gEDA Project The gEDA Project is a community of open-source developers working on creating tools for electronic design released under the GNU Public License. The project currently offers a mature suite of free software applications for electronics design, including schematic capture, attribute management, bill of materials (BOM) generation, netlisting into over 20 netlist formats, analog and digital simulation, and printed circuit board (PCB) layout. Besides the core design tools, the gEDA Project has gathered a community of other programmers who work on their own tools while sharing the gEDA e-mail lists, administration, and community support. This extended set of electronics design applications has become known as the "gEDA Suite". Visit http://geda.seul.org for more information about the gEDA Project. About Linux Fund Linux Fund is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that provides financial and supervisory support to the open source software community. Linux Fund raises funds with its line of rewards credit cards and direct donations, and has given over half a million dollars to open source projects since its founding in 1999. Visit http://www.linuxfund.org for more information about Linux Fund and to help support the gEDA/PCB Project. _______________________________________________ geda-announce mailing list geda-announce(a)moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-announce

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[Fedora-electronic-lab-list] Fwd: NASCUG Call for Contributions: Abstract Deadline January 9, 2009
by Chitlesh GOORAH 17 Dec '08

17 Dec '08

FYI. Systemc is currently under review at rpmfusion. Hopefully, before Christmas I could get it approved at rpmfusion. A lot of works were done in order to get a proper package ready. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <newsletter(a)lists.systemc.org> Date: Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:05 PM Subject: NASCUG Call for Contributions: Abstract Deadline January 9, 2009 To: members(a)lists.systemc.org NASCUG User's Group Meeting Call for Contributions -- Abstract Deadline January 9 ----------------------------------------------------- The North American SystemC User's Group (NASCUG) accelerates the use of SystemC for both new and established users by providing venues for users to contribute, learn, and interact. Following the great success of our previous meetings, we are calling for contributions for the upcoming 10th NASCUG meeting, to be held 24 February 2009 in San Jose, CA USA. This event is co-located with the Design Verification Conference (DVCon) 2009 (www.dvcon.com) A central component of the half-day user's group meeting is a number of 20-minute user experience presentations discussing techniques of design, modeling, and verification using SystemC. Topics include, but are not restricted to: -- Architectural Modeling with SystemC -- Transaction-Level Modeling -- Software Co-Design with SystemC -- Platform Design Using SystemC -- Verification Techniques Using SystemC -- Integrating SystemC into the Design Flow -- SystemC Tool Flows and Methodologies -- SystemC Language Development Submission Requirements ----------------------- The final contribution should be a PowerPoint or PDF slide presentation with duration of about 20 minutes (for "how-to" presentations approval may be given for up to 40 minutes). Presentations are expected to be of current topical interest to attendees and should consider the following: -- What is unique to the audience -- The value/contribution of the technology being presented -- Level of presentation (beginner, intermediate, advanced) -- Summary of results for the project A title and an abstract (of about 200 words) for a user experience presentation or "how to" presentation can be submitted online at: www.nascug.org/abstracts. Important dates: -- Abstract Deadline: January 9, 2009 -- Notification: January 16, 2009 -- Final Slides Due: February 18, 2009 For up-to-date information: www.nascug.org/10th_nascug_cfp.html ------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------ Please do not "reply" directly to this email message, as the address is not designed to receive personal messages. The Open SystemC Initiative respects your privacy. This information has been sent to the email address associated with your account on the SystemC.org website. You can manage the email preferences for your account online at http://www.systemc.org/kmembers/person/change_personal_info/ (requires login). The Receive Members Email setting controls the receipt of newsletters. If you wish to disable your account altogether, submit a request via the site's contact form: http://www.systemc.org/about/contact_us/. If you need further assistance, contact: admin(a)lists.systemc.org OSCI Open SystemC Initiative 1445 Foxworthy Avenue, Suite 50 PMB 132 San Jose, CA 95118

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