[Fedora-electronic-lab] [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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 Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh            
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new                 
 Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 11 'Leonidas'
Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel               
 Keywords:  Source       |  
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 I would like FEL to include source packages with documentation for various
 FEL tools that it ships with for the following reasons:

 1. It should be a distro that one can install, use, and develop, without
 the need for an Internet connection. For upgrades, developers can obtain
 patches and re-build.

 2. There are many people who are on dial-up in remote places in India, and
 the speeds are slow. It takes a really long time to download the source
 packages or refer documentation. It is only useful for chatting. And most
 of them on dial-up are on winmodems, and don't have driver support with
 Fedora.

 3. It will be helpful to deploy this standalone solution in a lab.

 If the above can be done, it will be an off-the-shelf distro that one can
 simply install and use for learning, development and testing.

 I think FEL uses only 1.3 GB, so disk space shouldn't be an issue.

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh            
      Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new                 
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 11 'Leonidas'
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel               
Resolution:               |    Keywords:  Source              
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Comment (by chitlesh):

 Hello shakti,

 for #1:
 FEL can be used without internet. Inclusion of Source packages will also
 mean to include all the -devel dependencies used to build each SRPM. This
 might be 2/3 times the size of the current livedvd.

 for #2:
 We have to know where we stand. Is our prime objective
 - (1) to spend more time with software or
 - (2) to provide EDA solutions ?

 for (1), source code distribution is understandable, but this is not
 electronics.
 for (2), each FEL app already contains it own documentation or its
 documentation comes with a separate -doc package. As for the driver
 support, the fedora-base kickstart file already entails many drivers, and
 if one is missing please file a bug so that it can be fixed. We know that
 download speed in certain countries is slow thereby it is also another
 reason why we must limit the total size of the dvd so as not to penalize
 the majority.

 Try rpm -qld pcb

 for #3, FEL is already a standalone solution for electronics. To design
 electronics there is no need for source code. But the source code is
 available for anyone to download if he/she wants with:

 yumdownloader --source pcb

 And, to my knowledge, anaconda does not support the inclusion of the SRPMs
 in the livecd.

 I see no reason why the source code and build packages should be entailed
 into the livedvd, in order to make FEL useful for education, though
 education is not the only userbase we are targeting.

 The reason why FEL exists is because of the lack of packaged opensource
 EDA tools in the community. Thus it is meant to shield the user from
 building the eda tools for scratch and jump straight to the electronic
 design and simulation. Providing source packages within the live media is
 the other way round.

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh            
      Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new                 
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 11 'Leonidas'
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel               
Resolution:               |    Keywords:  Source              
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Comment (by shakthimaan):

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 | Inclusion of Source packages will also mean to include all the -devel
 dependencies used to
 | build each SRPM. This might be 2/3 times the size of the current
 livedvd.
 \--

 Is it possible to get a rough estimate on what this size is?

 ---
 | FEL is already a standalone solution for electronics. To design
 electronics there is no need
 | for source code.
 \--

 If we want to get more developers for EDA tools and/or packaging for
 Fedora/FEL, they will require the source. And using FEL as a one-stop
 market solution in this process will only facilitate the same.

 ---
 | But the source code is available for anyone to download if he/she wants
 with:
 |
 | yumdownloader --source pcb
 \--

 This is where the slow dial-up is a hindrance, and is _not_ an option.

 ---
 | And, to my knowledge, anaconda does not support the inclusion of the
 SRPMs in the livecd.
 \--

 Is it possible to make another DVD or two, so whoever is interested in
 development, packaging for FEL, can be given the source RPMS for building
 with their existing install setup?

 ---
 | I see no reason why the source code and build packages should be
 entailed into the livedvd, in | order to make FEL useful for education,
 \--

 For learning to use the source of the tools, to study it, develop with it
 and maintain the same for FEL.

 ---
 | The reason why FEL exists is because of the lack of packaged opensource
 EDA tools in the
 | community. Thus it is meant to shield the user from building the eda
 tools for scratch and
 | jump straight to the electronic design and simulation.
 \--

 I am focusing on getting more developers and packagers, after people start
 using them.

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh            
      Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new                 
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 11 'Leonidas'
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel               
Resolution:               |    Keywords:  Source              
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Comment (by chitlesh):

 For any developer, an internet connection is recommended.

 I've lost my job last week, so till I can sustain myself financially, I
 will only work on critical items. Someone else can work on it.

 By the way, I've not for adding extra weight on the existing FEL livedvd,
 unless these are EDA solutions.

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh            
      Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new                 
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 11 'Leonidas'
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel               
Resolution:               |    Keywords:  Source              
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Comment (by shakthimaan):

 I'll look into it. Thanks for your prompt response. Appreciate it.

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh 
      Type:  task         |      Status:  new      
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 12
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel    
Resolution:               |    Keywords:  Source   
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Changes (by chitlesh):

  * type:  enhancement => task
  * milestone:  Fedora 11 'Leonidas' => Fedora 12

Comment:

 Are you interested in this ? Moving it to devel

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh               
      Type:  task         |      Status:  new                    
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 12 'Constantine'
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel                  
Resolution:               |    Keywords:  Source                 
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Comment (by chitlesh):

 Should I close this ticket ?

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[Fedora-electronic-lab] Re: [Fedora Electronic Lab] #15: FEL with source + build packages

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#15: FEL with source + build packages
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  Reporter:  shakthimaan  |       Owner:  chitlesh               
      Type:  task         |      Status:  closed                 
  Priority:  major        |   Milestone:  Fedora 12 'Constantine'
 Component:  FEL          |     Version:  devel                  
Resolution:  fixed        |    Keywords:  Source                 
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Changes (by chitlesh):

  * status:  new => closed
  * resolution:  => fixed

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