Equipamiento de la comunidad LATAM

[Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto]

Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,

El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de LATAM
una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del equipamiento
necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para llevar el nombre de
Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la información precisa está en la
wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión de que cada embajador de cada país
se organice y se agregue, como dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a
canalizar todo, pero es un comienzo conocer las necesidades y
requerimientos de cada comunidad en cada país.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment

[yrazes]

Actualizado por mi parte en lo que tengo en Lima, todo lo que tenia de
stickers, DVDs y globos ya los gasté en los últimos eventos a los que fui y
dicté en las diferentes universidades UPIG, UNMSM, UTP, UNI, USIL, UPN, y
UNTELS.

Gracias por este aporte e igual les deseo felices fiestas a todos¡

Atte,
Julita

2016-12-22 10:47 GMT-05:00 Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto <
[e-mail]>:
> Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,
>
> El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de LATAM
> una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del equipamiento
> necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para llevar el nombre de
> Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la información precisa está en la
> wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión de que cada embajador de cada país
> se organice y se agregue, como dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a
> canalizar todo, pero es un comienzo conocer las necesidades y
> requerimientos de cada comunidad en cada país.
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment
>
> Embajadores-fedora-latam mailing list -- embajadores-fedora-latam@
> lists.fedoraproject.org
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> [e-mail]

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Hola a todos, creo que deberíamos abrir un ticket para hacer una revisión
de la wiki en un meeting. Por otro tengo una pregunta: ¿Debemos considerar
los taxes(paypal,bancos, etc)?. Saludos

El jue., 22 dic. 2016 a las 11:04, yrazes () escribió:
> Actualizado por mi parte en lo que tengo en Lima, todo lo que tenia de
> stickers, DVDs y globos ya los gasté en los últimos eventos a los que fui y
> dicté en las diferentes universidades UPIG, UNMSM, UTP, UNI, USIL, UPN, y
> UNTELS.
>
> Gracias por este aporte e igual les deseo felices fiestas a todos¡
>
> Atte,
> Julita
>
> 2016-12-22 10:47 GMT-05:00 Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto <
> [e-mail]>:
>
> Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,
>
> El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de LATAM
> una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del equipamiento
> necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para llevar el nombre de
> Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la información precisa está en la
> wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión de que cada embajador de cada país
> se organice y se agregue, como dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a
> canalizar todo, pero es un comienzo conocer las necesidades y
> requerimientos de cada comunidad en cada país.
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment
>
> Embajadores-fedora-latam mailing list --
> [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to
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[Anthony Mogrovejo]

Saludos a todos...
Lo mismo que Alex

Sls

El 22 dic. 2016 11:54 a. m., "Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis" <
[e-mail]> escribió:
> Hola a todos, creo que deberíamos abrir un ticket para hacer una revisión
> de la wiki en un meeting. Por otro tengo una pregunta: ¿Debemos considerar
> los taxes(paypal,bancos, etc)?. Saludos
>
> El jue., 22 dic. 2016 a las 11:04, yrazes () escribió:
> > Actualizado por mi parte en lo que tengo en Lima, todo lo que tenia de
> > stickers, DVDs y globos ya los gasté en los últimos eventos a los que fui y
> > dicté en las diferentes universidades UPIG, UNMSM, UTP, UNI, USIL, UPN, y
> > UNTELS.
> >
> > Gracias por este aporte e igual les deseo felices fiestas a todos¡
> >
> > Atte,
> > Julita
> >
> > 2016-12-22 10:47 GMT-05:00 Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto <
> > [e-mail]>:
> >
> > Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,
> >
> > El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de LATAM
> > una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del equipamiento
> > necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para llevar el nombre de
> > Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la información precisa está en la
> > wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión de que cada embajador de cada país
> > se organice y se agregue, como dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a
> > canalizar todo, pero es un comienzo conocer las necesidades y
> > requerimientos de cada comunidad en cada país.
> >
> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment
> >
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> > lists.fedoraproject.org
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[Athos Ribeiro]

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 04:51:08PM +0000, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> Hola a todos, creo que deberíamos abrir un ticket para hacer una revisión
> de la wiki en un meeting. Por otro tengo una pregunta: ¿Debemos considerar
> los taxes(paypal,bancos, etc)?. Saludos

Yes, we should. But first, I think we should give some more time so more
people can have the chance to add information to the wiki (the more, the
better for LATAM community).

I believe the idea is to have Neville to pay directly to the producer,
since all these things will be expensive. In this case, you should not
consider transfer nor paypal fees, but the producer will probably
include taxes in the price, depending on local laws. So, whatever they
charge would be the price to consider, unless you can afford to pay for
everything in your region and get a reimbursement.

[Neville A. Cross]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:15:04 -0200
Athos Ribeiro  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 04:51:08PM +0000, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> wrote:
> > Hola a todos, creo que deberíamos abrir un ticket para hacer una
> > revisión de la wiki en un meeting. Por otro tengo una pregunta:
> > ¿Debemos considerar los taxes(paypal,bancos, etc)?. Saludos
>
> Yes, we should. But first, I think we should give some more time so
> more people can have the chance to add information to the wiki (the
> more, the better for LATAM community).
>
> I believe the idea is to have Neville to pay directly to the producer,
> since all these things will be expensive. In this case, you should not
> consider transfer nor paypal fees, but the producer will probably
> include taxes in the price, depending on local laws. So, whatever they
> charge would be the price to consider, unless you can afford to pay
> for everything in your region and get a reimbursement.

I am thinking that maybe we should take this as two separate things.
One should be long lasting resources, like banners and table clothes.
Another thing should be expendable material like stickers and DVD.
I know that there is an overlap, many companies may provide us with all
the stuff, as they are related. But in the other hand due size and
weight, maybe we should think to produce banners locally. Even if we
get cheap t-shirts as swag, the volume for shipping them may be a
constrain.

Just an idea. Should we break this up in two categories?

Neville

[Athos Ribeiro]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:32:01AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> I am thinking that maybe we should take this as two separate things.
> One should be long lasting resources, like banners and table clothes.
> Another thing should be expendable material like stickers and DVD.
> I know that there is an overlap, many companies may provide us with all
> the stuff, as they are related. But in the other hand due size and
> weight, maybe we should think to produce banners locally. Even if we
> get cheap t-shirts as swag, the volume for shipping them may be a
> constrain.
>
> Just an idea. Should we break this up in two categories?

I agree...

That's why, in Brazil, I wanted to produce them by region. Are you
sugesting to split it in a per city based model for those long lasting
resources?

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

Tenemos que buscar un lugar común para poder hacer este material o en su
defecto producirlo en los países miembros, estoy más de parte de la segunda
opción hasta que no podamos buscar una mejor manera de poder producir en
masa y con pago directamente al proveedor, ya que redhat no está haciendo
ningún pago por adelantado, solo Reimbursements o en su caso previo acuerdo
y pago con el fabricante

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016, 11:04 AM yrazes  wrote:
> Actualizado por mi parte en lo que tengo en Lima, todo lo que tenia de
> stickers, DVDs y globos ya los gasté en los últimos eventos a los que fui y
> dicté en las diferentes universidades UPIG, UNMSM, UTP, UNI, USIL, UPN, y
> UNTELS.
>
> Gracias por este aporte e igual les deseo felices fiestas a todos¡
>
> Atte,
> Julita
>
> 2016-12-22 10:47 GMT-05:00 Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto <
> [e-mail]>:
>
> Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,
>
> El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de LATAM
> una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del equipamiento
> necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para llevar el nombre de
> Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la información precisa está en la
> wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión de que cada embajador de cada país
> se organice y se agregue, como dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a
> canalizar todo, pero es un comienzo conocer las necesidades y
> requerimientos de cada comunidad en cada país.
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment
>
> Embajadores-fedora-latam mailing list --
> [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to
> [e-mail]
>
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[Neville A. Cross]

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:47:38 -0400
Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto  wrote:
> Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,
>
> El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de
> LATAM una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del
> equipamiento necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para
> llevar el nombre de Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la
> información precisa está en la wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión
> de que cada embajador de cada país se organice y se agregue, como
> dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a canalizar todo, pero es
> un comienzo conocer las necesidades y requerimientos de cada
> comunidad en cada país.
>
> [1]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment

Ha sido lanorma que no se hace materiales personales. Especificamente
no se hacen camisas. Las camisas que se han hecho para los
colaboradores solo han generado conflicto. Asi que yo no apostaria en
que los polos de embajadores van a ejecutarse.

Deberiamos concentrarnos en cosas que si se van a ejecutar.

Neville

[Anthony Mogrovejo]

Buen punto Neville

Sls

El 23 dic. 2016 11:36 a. m., "Neville A. Cross"  escribió:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:47:38 -0400
> Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto  wrote:
> > Ante todo feliz navidad y prospero año nuevo,
> >
> > El presente correo es para hacer de conocimiento de la comunidad de
> > LATAM una iniciativa que está empezando para medir la magnitud del
> > equipamiento necesario (a nivel de mercadeo y material pop) para
> > llevar el nombre de Fedora lo más alto posible este 2017, la
> > información precisa está en la wiki de forma pública[1] y es cuestión
> > de que cada embajador de cada país se organice y se agregue, como
> > dicen en el wiki, no necesariamente se va a canalizar todo, pero es
> > un comienzo conocer las necesidades y requerimientos de cada
> > comunidad en cada país.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/LATAM/Community_Equipment
>
> Ha sido lanorma que no se hace materiales personales. Especificamente
> no se hacen camisas. Las camisas que se han hecho para los
> colaboradores solo han generado conflicto. Asi que yo no apostaria en
> que los polos de embajadores van a ejecutarse.
>
> Deberiamos concentrarnos en cosas que si se van a ejecutar.
>
> Neville
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[Athos Ribeiro]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:36:39AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> Ha sido lanorma que no se hace materiales personales. Especificamente
> no se hacen camisas. Las camisas que se han hecho para los
> colaboradores solo han generado conflicto. Asi que yo no apostaria en
> que los polos de embajadores van a ejecutarse.
>
> Deberiamos concentrarnos en cosas que si se van a ejecutar.

Do you believe we should remove the t-shirts from the production, then?
I would not oppose to that at all, even though I do believe it would be
nice to have ambassadors well presented on bigger events like DevConf or
FISL :)

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

Historically, t-shirts is a personal equipment and it's not sponsored in
any way by Fedora, also t-shirts has been made by EMEA (example: Fedora 19
Schrodinger and Fedora 10 years t-shirts) in special occasions and sent
worldwide by mail.

With respect to the producing the swag by region would be better choose a
central place and from there deliver the swag.

El lun., 26 de dic. de 2016 a la(s) 13:04, Athos Ribeiro <
[e-mail]> escribió:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:36:39AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> > Ha sido lanorma que no se hace materiales personales. Especificamente
> > no se hacen camisas. Las camisas que se han hecho para los
> > colaboradores solo han generado conflicto. Asi que yo no apostaria en
> > que los polos de embajadores van a ejecutarse.
> >
> > Deberiamos concentrarnos en cosas que si se van a ejecutar.
>
> Do you believe we should remove the t-shirts from the production, then?
> I would not oppose to that at all, even though I do believe it would be
> nice to have ambassadors well presented on bigger events like DevConf or
> FISL :)
>
> --
> Athos Ribeiro
>
> http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr
> _______________________________________________
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[Neville A. Cross]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:28:33 +0000
Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado  wrote:
> Historically, t-shirts is a personal equipment and it's not sponsored
> in any way by Fedora, also t-shirts has been made by EMEA (example:
> Fedora 19 Schrodinger and Fedora 10 years t-shirts) in special
> occasions and sent worldwide by mail.

And how people was selected for receiving or not a t-shirt made a lot
of friction.

I was browsing, and now EMEA has some clear rules for producing polos
for ambassadors. But it seems unrealistic to do the same, as we have a
lot of issues with custom and taxes.

My point is not to drop entirely this topic about t-shirts or polos.
But to leave for later as it will need some rules and exploration on
how we fulfill this.

Mean while, we can focus on thing that are straight forward, and we can
produce them in January, best if we close up all payments before
January 20th. We need to rush on this and discussing personal items
will delay reaching a decision.
> With respect to the producing the swag by region would be better
> choose a central place and from there deliver the swag.

I think that for large items it may be better to produce them closest
to the destination. Like roll up banners, better do it decentralized.
Shipping will be expensive, and certainly will raise a flag in custom,
requiring to pay taxes.

For stickers, will be better to do it centralized. That someone that
has a bank account and can deal with reimbursements take care of a
large production. This not only about price, it is about quality. There
are some quality that may be only available if you order above certain
minimal quantity. Think also that the person that take care of this
will also need to pay and be reimbursed for shipping to other cities.
If you send a small package of stickers for a city, then most likely
won't be an issue on customs.

So, I am not telling exactly what to do, but to think what would be
better. If you split Brazil in regions, you can reduce shipping but it
may be not good for scale production. Within Brazil there is no problem
with customs. So, maybe it will make sense to produce stickers at one
place.

Most likely will be the same for medias. Not sure what to think about
other items like table clothes, that is something in the middle.

But also think, if we produce a large quantity, then we send that
over a country border, and it is retained at customs... the recipient
would have to do the transaction and pay taxes. So we need to make sure
that there is somebody that has time do that, and that we can
reimburse him or her. Otherwise it will be lost at custom or somebody
will spent some money that we can not reimburse at the moment.

Not telling what to do, but more what we need to think about to decide
on this topic.
> El lun., 26 de dic. de 2016 a la(s) 13:04, Athos Ribeiro <
> [e-mail]> escribió:
> > On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:36:39AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> > > Ha sido lanorma que no se hace materiales personales.
> > > Especificamente no se hacen camisas. Las camisas que se han hecho
> > > para los colaboradores solo han generado conflicto. Asi que yo no
> > > apostaria en que los polos de embajadores van a ejecutarse.
> > >
> > > Deberiamos concentrarnos en cosas que si se van a ejecutar.
> >
> > Do you believe we should remove the t-shirts from the production,
> > then? I would not oppose to that at all, even though I do believe
> > it would be nice to have ambassadors well presented on bigger
> > events like DevConf or FISL :)
> >
> > --
> > Athos Ribeiro
> >
> > http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr
> > _______________________________________________
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> > [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to
> > [e-mail]

[Athos Ribeiro]

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 01:55:38PM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> And how people was selected for receiving or not a t-shirt made a lot
> of friction.
>
> I was browsing, and now EMEA has some clear rules for producing polos
> for ambassadors. But it seems unrealistic to do the same, as we have a
> lot of issues with custom and taxes.
>
> My point is not to drop entirely this topic about t-shirts or polos.
> But to leave for later as it will need some rules and exploration on
> how we fulfill this.

Agreed, we can bring the t-shirts topic up at some other moment. I will
take some time to separate it from the equipment wiki.
> Mean while, we can focus on thing that are straight forward, and we can
> produce them in January, best if we close up all payments before
> January 20th. We need to rush on this and discussing personal items
> will delay reaching a decision.

Agreed. We should start opening the tickets for the next meeting,
on January 7th
> I think that for large items it may be better to produce them closest
> to the destination. Like roll up banners, better do it decentralized.
> Shipping will be expensive, and certainly will raise a flag in custom,
> requiring to pay taxes.
>
> For stickers, will be better to do it centralized. That someone that
> has a bank account and can deal with reimbursements take care of a
> large production. This not only about price, it is about quality. There
> are some quality that may be only available if you order above certain
> minimal quantity. Think also that the person that take care of this
> will also need to pay and be reimbursed for shipping to other cities.
> If you send a small package of stickers for a city, then most likely
> won't be an issue on customs.
>
> So, I am not telling exactly what to do, but to think what would be
> better. If you split Brazil in regions, you can reduce shipping but it
> may be not good for scale production. Within Brazil there is no problem
> with customs. So, maybe it will make sense to produce stickers at one
> place.

I will look into that this week
> Most likely will be the same for medias. Not sure what to think about
> other items like table clothes, that is something in the middle.

I am not sure if we do need to produce medias in Brazil: I mean, some
people don't even have dvd drivers anymore... I believe USB sticks end
up reaching more people/devices. The only question is: Should we produce
those with Fedora budget to hand to people, produce some custom sticks
for ambassadors to install on install fests OR let ambassadors use their
own usb sticks for that purpose?

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Hola  todos, según entendí la pagina de wiki que hizo Athos es para saber
nuestras necesidades y no asegura que se vaya a producir todo lo que
pongamos ahí. Por otro lado, yo puse los *tshirts como swag* no como para
uso personal, además que ya hemos aprobado tickets con tshirts para regalo
a los asistentes como en la caso de Julita en su ultimo evento asi que creo
que hacer tshirts no es problema, saldo mejor opinion. Saludos

El lun., 26 dic. 2016 a las 15:13, Athos Ribeiro ()
escribió:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 01:55:38PM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> > And how people was selected for receiving or not a t-shirt made a lot
> > of friction.
> >
> > I was browsing, and now EMEA has some clear rules for producing polos
> > for ambassadors. But it seems unrealistic to do the same, as we have a
> > lot of issues with custom and taxes.
> >
> > My point is not to drop entirely this topic about t-shirts or polos.
> > But to leave for later as it will need some rules and exploration on
> > how we fulfill this.
>
> Agreed, we can bring the t-shirts topic up at some other moment. I will
> take some time to separate it from the equipment wiki.
> > Mean while, we can focus on thing that are straight forward, and we can
> > produce them in January, best if we close up all payments before
> > January 20th. We need to rush on this and discussing personal items
> > will delay reaching a decision.
>
> Agreed. We should start opening the tickets for the next meeting,
> on January 7th
> > I think that for large items it may be better to produce them closest
> > to the destination. Like roll up banners, better do it decentralized.
> > Shipping will be expensive, and certainly will raise a flag in custom,
> > requiring to pay taxes.
> >
> > For stickers, will be better to do it centralized. That someone that
> > has a bank account and can deal with reimbursements take care of a
> > large production. This not only about price, it is about quality. There
> > are some quality that may be only available if you order above certain
> > minimal quantity. Think also that the person that take care of this
> > will also need to pay and be reimbursed for shipping to other cities.
> > If you send a small package of stickers for a city, then most likely
> > won't be an issue on customs.
> >
> > So, I am not telling exactly what to do, but to think what would be
> > better. If you split Brazil in regions, you can reduce shipping but it
> > may be not good for scale production. Within Brazil there is no problem
> > with customs. So, maybe it will make sense to produce stickers at one
> > place.
>
> I will look into that this week
> > Most likely will be the same for medias. Not sure what to think about
> > other items like table clothes, that is something in the middle.
>
> I am not sure if we do need to produce medias in Brazil: I mean, some
> people don't even have dvd drivers anymore... I believe USB sticks end
> up reaching more people/devices. The only question is: Should we produce
> those with Fedora budget to hand to people, produce some custom sticks
> for ambassadors to install on install fests OR let ambassadors use their
> own usb sticks for that purpose?
>
> --
> Athos Ribeiro
>
> http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr
> _______________________________________________
> Embajadores-fedora-latam mailing list --
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[Neville A. Cross]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:44:42 +0000
Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis  wrote:
> Hola  todos, según entendí la pagina de wiki que hizo Athos es para
> saber nuestras necesidades y no asegura que se vaya a producir todo
> lo que pongamos ahí. Por otro lado, yo puse los *tshirts como swag*
> no como para uso personal, además que ya hemos aprobado tickets con
> tshirts para regalo a los asistentes como en la caso de Julita en su
> ultimo evento asi que creo que hacer tshirts no es problema, saldo
> mejor opinion. Saludos

That's kind of my point. Now we are talking about t-shirt for personal
use versus t-shirt as swag. I am not against any case, but we will
swamp ourselves in debate. Leave it for later, and focus in produce
simple material. As I said, it will be better if we can have this paid
before January 20th.
> El lun., 26 dic. 2016 a las 15:13, Athos Ribeiro
> () escribió:
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 01:55:38PM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> > > And how people was selected for receiving or not a t-shirt made a
> > > lot of friction.
> > >
> > > I was browsing, and now EMEA has some clear rules for producing
> > > polos for ambassadors. But it seems unrealistic to do the same,
> > > as we have a lot of issues with custom and taxes.
> > >
> > > My point is not to drop entirely this topic about t-shirts or
> > > polos. But to leave for later as it will need some rules and
> > > exploration on how we fulfill this.
> >
> > Agreed, we can bring the t-shirts topic up at some other moment. I
> > will take some time to separate it from the equipment wiki.
> > > Mean while, we can focus on thing that are straight forward, and
> > > we can produce them in January, best if we close up all payments
> > > before January 20th. We need to rush on this and discussing
> > > personal items will delay reaching a decision.
> >
> > Agreed. We should start opening the tickets for the next meeting,
> > on January 7th
> > > I think that for large items it may be better to produce them
> > > closest to the destination. Like roll up banners, better do it
> > > decentralized. Shipping will be expensive, and certainly will
> > > raise a flag in custom, requiring to pay taxes.
> > >
> > > For stickers, will be better to do it centralized. That someone
> > > that has a bank account and can deal with reimbursements take
> > > care of a large production. This not only about price, it is
> > > about quality. There are some quality that may be only available
> > > if you order above certain minimal quantity. Think also that the
> > > person that take care of this will also need to pay and be
> > > reimbursed for shipping to other cities. If you send a small
> > > package of stickers for a city, then most likely won't be an
> > > issue on customs.
> > >
> > > So, I am not telling exactly what to do, but to think what would
> > > be better. If you split Brazil in regions, you can reduce
> > > shipping but it may be not good for scale production. Within
> > > Brazil there is no problem with customs. So, maybe it will make
> > > sense to produce stickers at one place.
> >
> > I will look into that this week
> > > Most likely will be the same for medias. Not sure what to think
> > > about other items like table clothes, that is something in the
> > > middle.
> >
> > I am not sure if we do need to produce medias in Brazil: I mean,
> > some people don't even have dvd drivers anymore... I believe USB
> > sticks end up reaching more people/devices. The only question is:
> > Should we produce those with Fedora budget to hand to people,
> > produce some custom sticks for ambassadors to install on install
> > fests OR let ambassadors use their own usb sticks for that purpose?
> >
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[Neville A. Cross]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:13:24 -0200
Athos Ribeiro  wrote:
> > Most likely will be the same for medias. Not sure what to think
> > about other items like table clothes, that is something in the
> > middle.
>
> I am not sure if we do need to produce medias in Brazil: I mean, some
> people don't even have dvd drivers anymore... I believe USB sticks end
> up reaching more people/devices. The only question is: Should we
> produce those with Fedora budget to hand to people, produce some
> custom sticks for ambassadors to install on install fests OR let
> ambassadors use their own usb sticks for that purpose?

It is a good question. DVD will be no longer important and USB sticks
are becoming cheaper. I am not sure it is the right moment to quit all
media production. But soon we will have to do it. I am unsure if we can
get a USB stick provider that can give us bootable USB media in LATAM.
So maybe we should think about getting some personalized sticks
with fedora logo. Not many because copying is a lot of work and we can
give to contributors, that can use or pass them to other people.
Ideally not as many as having as swag for events, but plenty so we can
give away to key people. Like not to every student, but have available
to give to the professor/instructor.

In any case, if somebody needs DVDs it should request it. It is simple,
and we can do it quickly. If somebody wants some personalized USB stick,
I think that we should do it later. It will involve more talk.

Best regards

Neville