Hello Ambassadors,
As some may know, there are a few FAS regional groups in Fedora, they are:
fedora-ar fedora-br fedora-cl fedora-ec fedora-mx fedora-ni fedora-pa fedora-pr fedora-py fedora-uk fedora-ve
With exception from fedora-uk, all of them refer to LATAM countries.
Right now, there are several people in the fedora-br FAS group who are not in any other FAS group but CLA. I suspect that this is true for most of the other groups on the list.
fedora-br currently has 101 members. I bet more than half are not in any other groups also, less than 25% are actually active AFAIK.
When we add non-contributors to them, they get mail aliases, fedora people instances, right to edit wikis, etc. The only way these groups would be worth for anything would be if they were cleaned up every 6 months after a survey on the mailing lists. This way, we would be able to know who the ACTIVE contributors in a country are.
I am willing to remove all the non contributors from this group, i.e.: if they are not CLA + other group, you cannot be part of these groups.
my plan would be:
A) 1 - remove non contributors 2 - survey with active brazilians 3 - politely email non active people and remove them from the group 4 - write the group purpose somewhere (wikipage) 5 - make active ambassadors sponsors of the group 6 - run the survey every 6 months(?) removing inactive ppl 7 - suggest all the other fedora-{region} groups do the same
OR
B) 1 - suggest deletion of all these groups
After talking to some people, I am more inclined to going with plan B, since these groups are only in LATAM and UK and there are other means to map where contributors are from.
Any thoughts? Also, is anyone using any of these groups for other purposes?
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:52:54 -0200 Athos Ribeiro athoscribeiro@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Ambassadors,
As some may know, there are a few FAS regional groups in Fedora, they are:
fedora-ar fedora-br fedora-cl fedora-ec fedora-mx fedora-ni fedora-pa fedora-pr fedora-py fedora-uk fedora-ve
With exception from fedora-uk, all of them refer to LATAM countries.
Right now, there are several people in the fedora-br FAS group who are not in any other FAS group but CLA. I suspect that this is true for most of the other groups on the list.
fedora-br currently has 101 members. I bet more than half are not in any other groups also, less than 25% are actually active AFAIK.
When we add non-contributors to them, they get mail aliases, fedora people instances, right to edit wikis, etc. The only way these groups would be worth for anything would be if they were cleaned up every 6 months after a survey on the mailing lists. This way, we would be able to know who the ACTIVE contributors in a country are.
I am willing to remove all the non contributors from this group, i.e.: if they are not CLA + other group, you cannot be part of these groups.
my plan would be:
A) 1 - remove non contributors 2 - survey with active brazilians 3 - politely email non active people and remove them from the group 4 - write the group purpose somewhere (wikipage) 5 - make active ambassadors sponsors of the group 6 - run the survey every 6 months(?) removing inactive ppl 7 - suggest all the other fedora-{region} groups do the same
OR
B) 1 - suggest deletion of all these groups
After talking to some people, I am more inclined to going with plan B, since these groups are only in LATAM and UK and there are other means to map where contributors are from.
Any thoughts? Also, is anyone using any of these groups for other purposes?
TL;DR: Delete country groups as they are a shortcut to grant CLA+1 without proper verification
At some point one country team asked in a ticket for a country group and, I commented my views. They were disregarded, as they thought I was opposing to that country, when in reality I was opposing tho the whole concept.
This has not well define objectives and has not been used in any productive way. It has been only a shortcut to get CLA+1 benefits. I am not opposed to have country groups by default. I am opposed to the current status that we enabled groups without thinking why we need them and what will be the implications. There is no clear rules published to approve one person for a country group. I am not saying that all country should apply same rules, but it has to be clear what is their criteria.
I think that we should ask every country group administrator what use has for that group. If the response is something valuable, we can see to imitate their actions. If the response is something like it helps to visualize local members, then it should be erased. If they have a reason, they should publish what is the criteria for approving one person. If there is not criteria, also is a good reason for deleting the group.
I opposed to the group fedora-ni (my own country group, where I was assigned as co-administrator). The only use that we have for that is grant an easy access to wiki editing (CLA+1) to new contributors. But I think this is the wrong approach to the new rules of wiki editing. For me the group should be deleted, as all other country group.
Not sure what is the status of wiki editing at the moment. There was an idea of allowing wiki profile editing without CLA+1, but I think it was not feasible. So the real solution is to modify on-board process to leave wiki profile for later. I think not all groups have modified their on-board procedures.
If the idea is to make a list of contributors for country, an easy way is to edit wiki profile and put a country category.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Nicaragua
We can come up with other things in infra. Like have at the badge app a way of listing collaborators per country extracting the info from fas, if the person has not set his or her info as private.
If we really need GIS we can extend the ambassador map or the ambassador verification list for other teams.
But country group has been a action that seems to me that has not well thought before implementing it.
just my $0.02
Neville
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