Remove FAS Country groups

[Athos Ribeiro]

villadalmine(a)gmail.com, danielbrunos(a)gmail.com, antonio(a)salles.cl,
nushio(a)gmail.com, yn1v(a)taygon.com, alejandro.perez.torres(a)gmail.com,
abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com, Juan.Barba.O(a)gmail.com,
hacataka(a)gmail.com, guillermo.gomez(a)gmail.com
Bcc: 
Subject: Delete FAS fedora-[a-z]{2} LATAM country Groups
Reply-To: 

Hello,

as discussed in the last meeting [1], we are considering removing the
LATAM country groups, since they have no purpose anymore.

On the ambassadors mailing list, the guys from fedora-uk said they do
have a purpose to their group, which is to have an easier way to let
people feel part of the community even without going through exhaustive
processes of being part of one of the fedora groups, like the ambassador
program.

As I see, in LATAM, we haven't been using most of these groups. For
Brazil, I believe we should delete the group, since we do not use it at all.

In 7 days, we will ask infra to remove some of them. If you are an admin
of any group, let us know if you want to have yours deleted as well. I
am copying all group admins in this message.

Here is a list of the groups and their owners:

FAS Group; Country;   Admins

fedora-ar; Argentina; lbazan valentinbasel villadalmine
fedora-br; Brazil;    athoscr dbruno
fedora-cl; Chile;     antoniosalles lbazan
fedora-ec; Ecuador;   lbazan
fedora-mx; Mexico;    lbazan nushio
fedora-ni; Nicaragua; yn1v
fedora-pa; Panama;    aeperezt lbazan potty xhaksx
fedora-pr; Peru;      hacataka
fedora-py; Paraguay;  lbazan
fedora-ve; Venezuela; gomix

Please, let us know your opinion on removing these groups. If you
believe they do have a purpose, do not hesitate on leting us hear you :)

[1]
https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-latam/fedora-latam.201...

-- 
Athos Ribeiro

http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr

[Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde]

Don't waste time and delete all country groups.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 8:25 AM, Athos Ribeiro <athoscribeiro(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> 
> villadalmine(a)gmail.com, danielbrunos(a)gmail.com, antonio(a)salles.cl,
> nushio(a)gmail.com, yn1v(a)taygon.com, alejandro.perez.torres(a)gmail.com,
> abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com, Juan.Barba.O(a)gmail.com,
> hacataka(a)gmail.com, guillermo.gomez(a)gmail.com
> Bcc: 
> Subject: Delete FAS fedora-[a-z]{2} LATAM country Groups
> Reply-To: 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> as discussed in the last meeting [1], we are considering removing the
> LATAM country groups, since they have no purpose anymore.
> 
> On the ambassadors mailing list, the guys from fedora-uk said they do
> have a purpose to their group, which is to have an easier way to let
> people feel part of the community even without going through exhaustive
> processes of being part of one of the fedora groups, like the ambassador
> program.
> 
> As I see, in LATAM, we haven't been using most of these groups. For
> Brazil, I believe we should delete the group, since we do not use it at all.
> 
> In 7 days, we will ask infra to remove some of them. If you are an admin
> of any group, let us know if you want to have yours deleted as well. I
> am copying all group admins in this message.
> 
> Here is a list of the groups and their owners:
> 
> FAS Group; Country;   Admins
> 
> fedora-ar; Argentina; lbazan valentinbasel villadalmine
> fedora-br; Brazil;    athoscr dbruno
> fedora-cl; Chile;     antoniosalles lbazan
> fedora-ec; Ecuador;   lbazan
> fedora-mx; Mexico;    lbazan nushio
> fedora-ni; Nicaragua; yn1v
> fedora-pa; Panama;    aeperezt lbazan potty xhaksx
> fedora-pr; Peru;      hacataka
> fedora-py; Paraguay;  lbazan
> fedora-ve; Venezuela; gomix
> 
> Please, let us know your opinion on removing these groups. If you
> believe they do have a purpose, do not hesitate on leting us hear you :)
> 
> [1]
https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-latam/fedora-latam.201...
> 
> -- 
> Athos Ribeiro
> 
> http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Hola a todo, actualmente estoy manejando el grupo de Peru porque hacataka
esta retirado. Pedimos que nuestra cuenta no sea eliminada porque nos ayuda
a dar acceso a nuevos usuarios a poder crear su pagina de wiki. Esta
actividad la estoy realizando con Bernardo Hermitaño. Saludos

El sáb., 11 de feb. de 2017 09:21, Athos Ribeiro <athoscribeiro(a)gmail.com&gt;
escribió:

villadalmine(a)gmail.com, danielbrunos(a)gmail.com, antonio(a)salles.cl,
nushio(a)gmail.com, yn1v(a)taygon.com, alejandro.perez.torres(a)gmail.com,
abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com, Juan.Barba.O(a)gmail.com,
hacataka(a)gmail.com, guillermo.gomez(a)gmail.com
Bcc:
Subject: Delete FAS fedora-[a-z]{2} LATAM country Groups
Reply-To:

Hello,

as discussed in the last meeting [1], we are considering removing the
LATAM country groups, since they have no purpose anymore.

On the ambassadors mailing list, the guys from fedora-uk said they do
have a purpose to their group, which is to have an easier way to let
people feel part of the community even without going through exhaustive
processes of being part of one of the fedora groups, like the ambassador
program.

As I see, in LATAM, we haven't been using most of these groups. For
Brazil, I believe we should delete the group, since we do not use it at all.

In 7 days, we will ask infra to remove some of them. If you are an admin
of any group, let us know if you want to have yours deleted as well. I
am copying all group admins in this message.

Here is a list of the groups and their owners:

FAS Group; Country;   Admins

fedora-ar; Argentina; lbazan valentinbasel villadalmine
fedora-br; Brazil;    athoscr dbruno
fedora-cl; Chile;     antoniosalles lbazan
fedora-ec; Ecuador;   lbazan
fedora-mx; Mexico;    lbazan nushio
fedora-ni; Nicaragua; yn1v
fedora-pa; Panama;    aeperezt lbazan potty xhaksx
fedora-pr; Peru;      hacataka
fedora-py; Paraguay;  lbazan
fedora-ve; Venezuela; gomix

Please, let us know your opinion on removing these groups. If you
believe they do have a purpose, do not hesitate on leting us hear you :)

[1]
https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora-latam/fedora-latam.201...

--
Athos Ribeiro

http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr
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[Itamar Reis Peixoto]

On 2017-02-11 02:58 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
>  Hola a todo, actualmente estoy manejando el grupo de Peru porque
>  hacataka esta retirado. Pedimos que nuestra cuenta no sea eliminada
>  porque nos ayuda a dar acceso a nuevos usuarios a poder crear su
>  pagina de wiki. Esta actividad la estoy realizando con Bernardo
>  Hermitaño. Saludos 
pienso que lo grupo de brasil no deberia ser removido,
pois podemos permitir las personas que editen la wiki.

[Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde]

I think that editing a wiki (and not being on any Fedora group or team) is not a valid
reason for maintaining country groups. This issue should be addressed to FAmSCo to have a
consensus and a replicable solution across all regions

I will refer to this note on the Ambassador wiki page [1]:
"Requires CLA+1 status to complete 
To edit the wiki, you now have to have CLA+1 status (which means you belong to another
group in FAS than the CLA-related groups). If you are unable to edit the wiki, skip this
step and work with your mentor on a temporary workaround. When you are able, you need to
have a biography on your user page."

This means that no user should be able to edit a wiki page, unless is extremely necessary
and the mentor is aware of that.

So, from my point of view, having the country specific group is useless and represent an
backdoor on other stuff as voting system.

Regards,
Abdel

References:
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_create_user_page
Sent from my iPhone

>  On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto
> <itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br&gt; wrote:
>  
> > On 2017-02-11 02:58 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> > Hola a todo, actualmente estoy manejando el grupo de Peru porque
> > hacataka esta retirado. Pedimos que nuestra cuenta no sea eliminada
> > porque nos ayuda a dar acceso a nuevos usuarios a poder crear su
> > pagina de wiki. Esta actividad la estoy realizando con Bernardo
> > Hermitaño. Saludos
>  
>  pienso que lo grupo de brasil no deberia ser removido,
>  pois podemos permitir las personas que editen la wiki.
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[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Abdel, si hubiera otra forma de salvar ese detalle de la wiki para nuevos
prospectos no habría ningún inconveniente en acceder a la propuesta.

El sáb., 11 de feb. de 2017 15:58, Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde <
abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  I think that editing a wiki (and not being on any Fedora group or
> team) is
>  not a valid reason for maintaining country groups. This issue should be
>  addressed to FAmSCo to have a consensus and a replicable solution across
>  all regions
>
>  I will refer to this note on the Ambassador wiki page [1]:
>  *"Requires CLA+1 status to complete *
>  To edit the wiki, you now have to have CLA+1 status (which means you
>  belong to another group in FAS than the CLA-related groups). If you are
>  unable to edit the wiki, skip this step and work with your mentor on a
>  temporary workaround. When you are able, you need to have a biography on
>  your user page."
>
>  This means that no user should be able to edit a wiki page, unless is
>  extremely necessary and the mentor is aware of that.
>
>  So, from my point of view, having the country specific group is useless
>  and represent an backdoor on other stuff as voting system.
>
>  Regards,
>  Abdel
>
>  References:
>  [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_create_user_page
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto <itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br&gt;
>  wrote:
>
>  On 2017-02-11 02:58 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
>
>  Hola a todo, actualmente estoy manejando el grupo de Peru porque
>
>  hacataka esta retirado. Pedimos que nuestra cuenta no sea eliminada
>
>  porque nos ayuda a dar acceso a nuevos usuarios a poder crear su
>
>  pagina de wiki. Esta actividad la estoy realizando con Bernardo
>
>  Hermitaño. Saludos
>
>
>  pienso que lo grupo de brasil no deberia ser removido,
>  pois podemos permitir las personas que editen la wiki.
>
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>

[Abdel G. Martínez L.]

Then this issue should be addressed to both FAmSCo and Infra (or maybe
Docs).

My idea would be that no user (meaning as non-contributor) should not be
able to edit the wiki page. If needed, he/she should contact an contributor
(preferably an Ambassador) to edit the wiki with the information he/she
needed. In this sense, the contributor (preferably an Ambassador) will have
the accountability of publishing content on the wiki.

Regards,
Abdel



2017-02-11 17:05 GMT-05:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  Abdel, si hubiera otra forma de salvar ese detalle de la wiki para
> nuevos
>  prospectos no habría ningún inconveniente en acceder a la propuesta.
>
>  El sáb., 11 de feb. de 2017 15:58, Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde <
>  abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
> > I think that editing a wiki (and not being on any Fedora group or team)
> > is not a valid reason for maintaining country groups. This issue should be
> > addressed to FAmSCo to have a consensus and a replicable solution across
> > all regions
> >
> > I will refer to this note on the Ambassador wiki page [1]:
> > *"Requires CLA+1 status to complete *
> > To edit the wiki, you now have to have CLA+1 status (which means you
> > belong to another group in FAS than the CLA-related groups). If you are
> > unable to edit the wiki, skip this step and work with your mentor on a
> > temporary workaround. When you are able, you need to have a biography on
> > your user page."
> >
> > This means that no user should be able to edit a wiki page, unless is
> > extremely necessary and the mentor is aware of that.
> >
> > So, from my point of view, having the country specific group is useless
> > and represent an backdoor on other stuff as voting system.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Abdel
> >
> > References:
> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_Join_create_user_page
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Itamar Reis Peixoto <itamar(a)ispbrasil.com.br&gt;
> > wrote:
> >
> > On 2017-02-11 02:58 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >
> > Hola a todo, actualmente estoy manejando el grupo de Peru porque
> >
> > hacataka esta retirado. Pedimos que nuestra cuenta no sea eliminada
> >
> > porque nos ayuda a dar acceso a nuevos usuarios a poder crear su
> >
> > pagina de wiki. Esta actividad la estoy realizando con Bernardo
> >
> > Hermitaño. Saludos
> >
> >
> > pienso que lo grupo de brasil no deberia ser removido,
> > pois podemos permitir las personas que editen la wiki.
> >
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-- 
Abdel G. Martínez L.