Re: FAD proposal improvement request

[Anthony Mogrovejo]

-1

El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and costs.
In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
Can I add my name on it to participate on July?

Thanks,
Julita

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
>
>  I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities hasn't a
>  promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I included
>  a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The second
>  purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or academic
>  coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and talks
>  to users.
>
>  The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are important.
>
>  El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
>  escribió:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >
> > Hi Julita,
> >
> > Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been two times
> > where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they contain some
> > promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you understand
> > the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will be
> > approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of no
> > promotional event.
> >
> >
> > I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council hat, I can't see
> > why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >
> > However, I would want to understand how this compent was good for LATAM
> > or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it ties to the mission, if
> > appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be followed up or prepared for to
> > ensure positive impact.
> >
> >
> > However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this promotion
> > won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its goals.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > bex
> >
> >
> > How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint (as
> > example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and want to
> > become contributors.
> >
> > This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you have some
> > people prepare for that.
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> >
> > *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> > *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement request
> > *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> > a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> > >
> > Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> > embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> > Hi Alejandro
> >
> > What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong), is that I
> > could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with good Internet
> > connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at least 7 ambassadors
> > from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
> >
> > I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> > procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora community.
> >
> > I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the first
> > day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six events to
> > promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> > knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all the time to
> > do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free online
> > tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >
> >
> > I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour to have all of you
> > in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do one public event
> > day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach my local
> > people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> > manteiners, among other activities.
> >
> > The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for install
> > activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having Fedora).
> > Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us, for
> > newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other technician
> > issue that I know can happen.
> >
> > The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more private
> > meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous day) the actions
> > and plans to have a better community.
> >
> > I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not the same
> > to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in person.
> > In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville, because he
> > is always available anytime to response with a online talk to my people in
> > Lima.
> >
> >
> > Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in USIL,
> > Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >
> > Best,
> > Julita
> >
> >  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt;
> > wrote:
> >
> > Julita,
> >
> > Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora Contributors (or
> > interested parties) , to get together and produce some results, not a
> > promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close meeting,
> > event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event with talks.
> >
> >
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> >
> > *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> > *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement request
> > *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedora-latam@list
> > s.fedoraproject.org
> >
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> > >
> > Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> > embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> > Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >
> > I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all the events I
> > do, I have some contacts.
> >
> >
> > I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs and
> > auditorium.
> > http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-
> > campus-la-molina
> >
> > I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since installation
> > until Fedora workshops.
> > I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >
> > Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> > Thanks,
> > Julita
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >
> > Hello Brian,
> > Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version of this
> > email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere appropriate and
> > easy to fly to is great.
> >
> > As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish discussions :). This
> > is also A-OK :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > bex
> >
> > Br,
> >
> > 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> > alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >
> > Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose another
> > place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and assume the
> > logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any place but I will
> > to wait until tomorrow night.
> >
> > If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors from Lima
> > (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable place. The costs
> > will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> > Regards.
> >
> > El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> > escribió:
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal to carry
> > out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was reviewed by some
> > people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the council giving a
> > relative positive result, but the proposal needs some improvements
> > specially in the following terms:
> >
> > - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear objectives.
> > - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> > ambassadors and related topics.
> >
> > Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the following link:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >
> > As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> > organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to be more
> > efficient and effective.
> >
> > About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each country that
> > is active and / or influential in their country, so that she/he can
> > replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of their
> > countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they can be
> > represented by another person we can change their representative :-)
> >
> > About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not bex hasn't
> > free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for the month of July
> > (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >
> > About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about the place
> > and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other proposal to change
> > the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested people must commit to
> > get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and accomodation.
> >
> >
> > With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo meeting
> > that choosing a different city might result in lower costs (especially for
> > airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree we need to have someone who
> > is willing to own finding the place to meet in whatever city we choose.  I
> > second the call for someone to stand up and champion this if we can save
> > the money reasonably.
> >
> > Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> > conversation in LATAM about this.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > bex
> >
> >
> >
> > * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its aspects,
> > therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved so that
> > we can improve and grow the community. *
> >
> > PS: Sorry for this big email
> >
> > Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place to
Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
to do this evaluation.

About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet because
he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru.
You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.

Regards

El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  -1
>
>  El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
>  Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
>  I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and costs.
>  In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
>  Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Julita
>
>  On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>  alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >
> > I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities hasn't a
> > promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I included
> > a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The second
> > purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or academic
> > coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and talks
> > to users.
> >
> > The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are important.
> >
> > El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> > escribió:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Julita,
> >>
> >> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been two times
> >> where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they contain some
> >> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you understand
> >> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will be
> >> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of no
> >> promotional event.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council hat, I can't
> see
> >> why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >>
> >> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good for LATAM
> >> or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it ties to the mission, if
> >> appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be followed up or prepared for to
> >> ensure positive impact.
> >>
> >>
> >> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this promotion
> >> won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its goals.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> bex
> >>
> >>
> >> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint (as
> >> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and want to
> >> become contributors.
> >>
> >> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you have some
> >> people prepare for that.
> >>
> >> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>
> >> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >> request
> >> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >> >
> >> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >> Hi Alejandro
> >>
> >> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong), is that I
> >> could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with good Internet
> >> connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at least 7 ambassadors
> >> from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
> >>
> >> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> >> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora community.
> >>
> >> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the first
> >> day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six events to
> >> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> >> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all the time to
> >> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free online
> >> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>
> >>
> >> I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour to have all
> >> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do one public
> >> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach my local
> >> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> >> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>
> >> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for install
> >> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having Fedora).
> >> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us, for
> >> newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other technician
> >> issue that I know can happen.
> >>
> >> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more private
> >> meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous day) the actions
> >> and plans to have a better community.
> >>
> >> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not the same
> >> to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in person.
> >> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville, because he
> >> is always available anytime to response with a online talk to my people in
> >> Lima.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in USIL,
> >> Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Julita
> >>
> >>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt;
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Julita,
> >>
> >> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora Contributors (or
> >> interested parties) , to get together and produce some results, not a
> >> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close meeting,
> >> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event with talks.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>
> >> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >> request
> >> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >> >
> >> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>
> >> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all the events I
> >> do, I have some contacts.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs and
> >> auditorium.
> >>
> >> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>
> >> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since installation
> >> until Fedora workshops.
> >> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>
> >> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >> Thanks,
> >> Julita
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Brian,
> >> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version of
> >> this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere appropriate and
> >> easy to fly to is great.
> >>
> >> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish discussions :). This
> >> is also A-OK :)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> bex
> >>
> >> Br,
> >>
> >> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>
> >> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose another
> >> place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and assume the
> >> logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any place but I will
> >> to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>
> >> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors from Lima
> >> (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable place. The costs
> >> will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <
> >> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >>
> >> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal to carry
> >> out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was reviewed by some
> >> people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the council giving a
> >> relative positive result, but the proposal needs some improvements
> >> specially in the following terms:
> >>
> >> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear objectives.
> >> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> >> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>
> >> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the following link:
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>
> >> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> >> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to be more
> >> efficient and effective.
> >>
> >> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each country that
> >> is active and / or influential in their country, so that she/he can
> >> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of their
> >> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they can be
> >> represented by another person we can change their representative :-)
> >>
> >> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not bex hasn't
> >> free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for the month of July
> >> (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>
> >> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about the
> >> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other proposal to
> >> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested people must
> >> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and accomodation.
> >>
> >>
> >> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo meeting
> >> that choosing a different city might result in lower costs (especially for
> >> airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree we need to have someone who
> >> is willing to own finding the place to meet in whatever city we choose.  I
> >> second the call for someone to stand up and champion this if we can save
> >> the money reasonably.
> >>
> >> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> >> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> bex
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its aspects,
> >> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved so that
> >> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>
> >> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>
> >> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[yrazes]

OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima 2017.
It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.

Regards,
Julita

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
>  council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place to
>  Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
>  expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
>  to do this evaluation.
>
>  About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
>  specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet because
>  he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru.
>  You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
>
>  Regards
>
>  El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
>  tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
> > -1
> >
> > El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >
> > Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> > I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> > It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and costs.
> > In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> > Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Julita
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> > alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>
> >> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities hasn't a
> >> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I included
> >> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The second
> >> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or academic
> >> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and talks
> >> to users.
> >>
> >> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are important.
> >>
> >> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
> >> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Julita,
> >>>
> >>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been two times
> >>> where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they contain some
> >>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you understand
> >>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will be
> >>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of no
> >>> promotional event.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council hat, I
> can't
> >>> see why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >>>
> >>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good for LATAM
> >>> or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it ties to the mission,
> if
> >>> appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be followed up or prepared for
> to
> >>> ensure positive impact.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this promotion
> >>> won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its goals.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> bex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint (as
> >>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and want to
> >>> become contributors.
> >>>
> >>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you have some
> >>> people prepare for that.
> >>>
> >>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>
> >>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>> request
> >>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>> >
> >>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedora-latam@
> >>> lists.fedoraproject.org>
> >>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>
> >>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong), is that
> >>> I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with good Internet
> >>> connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at least 7 ambassadors
> >>> from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
> >>>
> >>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> >>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora community.
> >>>
> >>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the first
> >>> day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six events to
> >>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> >>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all the time to
> >>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free online
> >>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour to have all
> >>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do one public
> >>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach my local
> >>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> >>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>
> >>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for install
> >>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having Fedora).
> >>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us, for
> >>> newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other technician
> >>> issue that I know can happen.
> >>>
> >>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more private
> >>> meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous day) the actions
> >>> and plans to have a better community.
> >>>
> >>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not the
> >>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in person.
> >>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville, because
> >>> he is always available anytime to response with a online talk to my people
> >>> in Lima.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in USIL,
> >>> Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez
> <aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt;
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Julita,
> >>>
> >>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora Contributors (or
> >>> interested parties) , to get together and produce some results, not a
> >>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close meeting,
> >>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event with talks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>
> >>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>> request
> >>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedora-latam@
> >>> lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>> >
> >>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedora-latam@
> >>> lists.fedoraproject.org>
> >>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>
> >>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all the events I
> >>> do, I have some contacts.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs and
> >>> auditorium.
> >>> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>>
> >>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since installation
> >>> until Fedora workshops.
> >>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>
> >>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Brian,
> >>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version of
> >>> this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere appropriate and
> >>> easy to fly to is great.
> >>>
> >>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish discussions :).
> >>> This is also A-OK :)
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> bex
> >>>
> >>> Br,
> >>>
> >>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose another
> >>> place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and assume the
> >>> logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any place but I will
> >>> to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors from Lima
> >>> (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable place. The costs
> >>> will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal to carry
> >>> out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was reviewed by some
> >>> people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the council giving a
> >>> relative positive result, but the proposal needs some improvements
> >>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>
> >>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear objectives.
> >>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> >>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>
> >>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the following
> >>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>
> >>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> >>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to be more
> >>> efficient and effective.
> >>>
> >>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each country
> >>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that she/he can
> >>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of their
> >>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they can be
> >>> represented by another person we can change their representative :-)
> >>>
> >>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not bex
> >>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for the month
> of
> >>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>
> >>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about the
> >>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other proposal to
> >>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested people must
> >>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and accomodation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo meeting
> >>> that choosing a different city might result in lower costs (especially for
> >>> airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree we need to have someone who
> >>> is willing to own finding the place to meet in whatever city we choose.  I
> >>> second the call for someone to stand up and champion this if we can save
> >>> the money reasonably.
> >>>
> >>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> >>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>
> >>> regards,
> >>>
> >>> bex
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its aspects,
> >>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved so that
> >>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>
> >>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>
> >>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[yrazes]

Hello LATAM and bex:

I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
possibility is PUCP.
I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public event
to train new possible contributors in Lima
In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more options
because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017

Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to everyone.

Thanks,
Julita



On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima
> 2017.
>  It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
>
>  Regards,
>  Julita
>
>  On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>  alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
> > council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place to
> > Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> > expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
> > to do this evaluation.
> >
> > About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
> > specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet because
> > he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru.
> > You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> > tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >
> >> -1
> >>
> >> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> escribió:
> >>
> >> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and costs.
> >> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Julita
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>>
> >>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities hasn't a
> >>> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I included
> >>> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The second
> >>> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or academic
> >>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and talks
> >>> to users.
> >>>
> >>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are
> >>> important.
> >>>
> >>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Julita,
> >>>>
> >>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been two
> times
> >>>> where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they contain some
> >>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you
> understand
> >>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will be
> >>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of no
> >>>> promotional event.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council hat, I
> can't
> >>>> see why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good for
> >>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it ties to
> the
> >>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be followed up
> or
> >>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this promotion
> >>>> won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its goals.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> bex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint (as
> >>>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and want to
> >>>> become contributors.
> >>>>
> >>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you have some
> >>>> people prepare for that.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>
> >>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>>> request
> >>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>> >
> >>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>>
> >>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong), is that
> >>>> I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with good
> Internet
> >>>> connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at least 7 ambassadors
> >>>> from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
> >>>>
> >>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> >>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora community.
> >>>>
> >>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the first
> >>>> day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six events to
> >>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> >>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all the time
> to
> >>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free online
> >>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour to have
> all
> >>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do one
> public
> >>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach my
> local
> >>>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> >>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>>
> >>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for install
> >>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having Fedora).
> >>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us, for
> >>>> newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other
> technician
> >>>> issue that I know can happen.
> >>>>
> >>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more private
> >>>> meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous day) the
> actions
> >>>> and plans to have a better community.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not the
> >>>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in person.
> >>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville, because
> >>>> he is always available anytime to response with a online talk to my
> people
> >>>> in Lima.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in USIL,
> >>>> Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Julita
> >>>>
> >>>>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez
> <aeperezt(a)hotmail.com
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Julita,
> >>>>
> >>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora Contributors (or
> >>>> interested parties) , to get together and produce some results, not a
> >>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close
> meeting,
> >>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event with
> talks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>
> >>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>>> request
> >>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>> >
> >>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>>
> >>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all the events
> >>>> I do, I have some contacts.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs and
> >>>> auditorium.
> >>>> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-
> >>>> campus-la-molina
> >>>>
> >>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since installation
> >>>> until Fedora workshops.
> >>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Julita
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version of
> >>>> this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere appropriate
> and
> >>>> easy to fly to is great.
> >>>>
> >>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish discussions :).
> >>>> This is also A-OK :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> bex
> >>>>
> >>>> Br,
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose
> >>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and assume
> >>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any place but
> I
> >>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors from Lima
> >>>> (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable place. The
> costs
> >>>> will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>>> Regards.
> >>>>
> >>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal to
> >>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was
> reviewed
> >>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the council
> giving
> >>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some improvements
> >>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>>
> >>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear objectives.
> >>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> >>>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the following
> >>>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>
> >>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> >>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to be more
> >>>> efficient and effective.
> >>>>
> >>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each country
> >>>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that she/he can
> >>>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of their
> >>>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they can be
> >>>> represented by another person we can change their representative :-)
> >>>>
> >>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not bex
> >>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for the
> month of
> >>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>>
> >>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about the
> >>>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other proposal
> to
> >>>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested people must
> >>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and accomodation.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo
> >>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in lower costs
> >>>> (especially for airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree we need
> to
> >>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to meet in whatever
> >>>> city we choose.  I second the call for someone to stand up and champion
> >>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
> >>>>
> >>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> >>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>>
> >>>> regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> bex
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its aspects,
> >>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved so
> that
> >>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>>
> >>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
escribió:

>  Hello LATAM and bex:
>
>  I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
>  Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
>  
Thanks for that.


>  Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
>  possibility is PUCP.
>  I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public event
>  to train new possible contributors in Lima
>  
This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't will have
talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related tasks and offer
solutions, so, please don't invite people outside to the FAD. We need be
focused.


>  In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more
> options
>  because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
>  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to misunderstandings


>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>
>  Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to everyone.
>  
Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers along with
>  Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts
> and keep
>  the communication to be on the same page.
>  

>  Thanks,
>  Julita
>
>
>
>  On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima 2017.
> > It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julita
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> > alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
> >> council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place to
> >> Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> >> expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
> >> to do this evaluation.
> >>
> >> About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
> >> specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet because
> >> he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru.
> >> You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>
> >>> -1
> >>>
> >>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> escribió:
> >>>
> >>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and
> >>> costs.
> >>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities
> hasn't a
> >>>> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I
> included
> >>>> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The second
> >>>> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> >>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and
> talks
> >>>> to users.
> >>>>
> >>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are
> >>>> important.
> >>>>
> >>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been two
> >>>>> times where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they contain
> some
> >>>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you
> understand
> >>>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will
> be
> >>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of no
> >>>>> promotional event.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council hat,
> I can't
> >>>>> see why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good for
> >>>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it ties to
> the
> >>>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be followed
> up or
> >>>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this promotion
> >>>>> won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its goals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bex
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint (as
> >>>>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and want
> to
> >>>>> become contributors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you have
> >>>>> some people prepare for that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>>>> request
> >>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong), is
> >>>>> that I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with
> good
> >>>>> Internet connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at least
> 7
> >>>>> ambassadors from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> >>>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the
> >>>>> first day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six
> events to
> >>>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> >>>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all the
> time to
> >>>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free online
> >>>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour to
> have all
> >>>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do one
> public
> >>>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach my
> local
> >>>>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> >>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for install
> >>>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having Fedora).
> >>>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us, for
> >>>>> newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other
> technician
> >>>>> issue that I know can happen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more
> private
> >>>>> meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous day) the
> actions
> >>>>> and plans to have a better community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not the
> >>>>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in person.
> >>>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville,
> because
> >>>>> he is always available anytime to response with a online talk to my
> people
> >>>>> in Lima.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in USIL,
> >>>>> Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Julita
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <
> >>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julita,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora Contributors
> (or
> >>>>> interested parties) , to get together and produce some results, not
> a
> >>>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close
> meeting,
> >>>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event with
> talks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>>>> request
> >>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all the
> events
> >>>>> I do, I have some contacts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs and
> >>>>> auditorium.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since
> installation
> >>>>> until Fedora workshops.
> >>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Julita
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version of
> >>>>> this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere appropriate
> and
> >>>>> easy to fly to is great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish discussions
> :).
> >>>>> This is also A-OK :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Br,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose
> >>>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and
> assume
> >>>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any place
> but I
> >>>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors from
> >>>>> Lima (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable place.
> The
> >>>>> costs will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal to
> >>>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was
> reviewed
> >>>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the council
> giving
> >>>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some improvements
> >>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear objectives.
> >>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> >>>>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the following
> >>>>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> >>>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to be
> more
> >>>>> efficient and effective.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each country
> >>>>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that she/he
> can
> >>>>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of
> their
> >>>>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they can
> be
> >>>>> represented by another person we can change their representative :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not bex
> >>>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for the
> month of
> >>>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about the
> >>>>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other
> proposal to
> >>>>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested people
> must
> >>>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
> accomodation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo
> >>>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in lower costs
> >>>>> (especially for airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree we
> need to
> >>>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever
> >>>>> city we choose.  I second the call for someone to stand up and
> champion
> >>>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> >>>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bex
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its aspects,
> >>>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved so
> that
> >>>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Anthony Mogrovejo]

+1@echevemaster



El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado" <
echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:



El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
escribió:

>  Hello LATAM and bex:
>
>  I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
>  Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
>  
Thanks for that.


>  Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
>  possibility is PUCP.
>  I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public event
>  to train new possible contributors in Lima
>  
This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't will have
talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related tasks and offer
solutions, so, please don't invite people outside to the FAD. We need be
focused.


>  In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more
> options
>  because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
>  
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to misunderstandings


>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>
>  Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to everyone.
>  
Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers along with
>  Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts
> and keep
>  the communication to be on the same page.
>  

>  Thanks,
>  Julita
>
>
>
>  On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima 2017.
> > It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julita
> >
> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> > alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
> >> council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place to
> >> Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> >> expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
> >> to do this evaluation.
> >>
> >> About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
> >> specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet because
> >> he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru.
> >> You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>
> >>> -1
> >>>
> >>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> escribió:
> >>>
> >>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and
> >>> costs.
> >>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities
> hasn't a
> >>>> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I
> included
> >>>> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The second
> >>>> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> >>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and
> talks
> >>>> to users.
> >>>>
> >>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are
> >>>> important.
> >>>>
> >>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been two
> >>>>> times where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they contain
> some
> >>>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you
> understand
> >>>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will
> be
> >>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of no
> >>>>> promotional event.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council hat,
> I can't
> >>>>> see why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good for
> >>>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it ties to
> the
> >>>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be followed
> up or
> >>>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this promotion
> >>>>> won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its goals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bex
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint (as
> >>>>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and want
> to
> >>>>> become contributors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you have
> >>>>> some people prepare for that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>>>> request
> >>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong), is
> >>>>> that I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with
> good
> >>>>> Internet connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at least
> 7
> >>>>> ambassadors from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> >>>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the
> >>>>> first day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six
> events to
> >>>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> >>>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all the
> time to
> >>>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free online
> >>>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour to
> have all
> >>>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do one
> public
> >>>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach my
> local
> >>>>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> >>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for install
> >>>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having Fedora).
> >>>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us, for
> >>>>> newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other
> technician
> >>>>> issue that I know can happen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more
> private
> >>>>> meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous day) the
> actions
> >>>>> and plans to have a better community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not the
> >>>>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in person.
> >>>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville,
> because
> >>>>> he is always available anytime to response with a online talk to my
> people
> >>>>> in Lima.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in USIL,
> >>>>> Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Julita
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <
> >>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Julita,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora Contributors
> (or
> >>>>> interested parties) , to get together and produce some results, not
> a
> >>>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close
> meeting,
> >>>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event with
> talks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal improvement
> >>>>> request
> >>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <embajadores-fedora-latam@
> >>>>> lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all the
> events
> >>>>> I do, I have some contacts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs and
> >>>>> auditorium.
> >>>>> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since
> installation
> >>>>> until Fedora workshops.
> >>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Julita
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version of
> >>>>> this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere appropriate
> and
> >>>>> easy to fly to is great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish discussions
> :).
> >>>>> This is also A-OK :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Br,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose
> >>>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and
> assume
> >>>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any place
> but I
> >>>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors from
> >>>>> Lima (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable place.
> The
> >>>>> costs will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal to
> >>>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was
> reviewed
> >>>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the council
> giving
> >>>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some improvements
> >>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear objectives.
> >>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> >>>>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the following
> >>>>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> >>>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to be
> more
> >>>>> efficient and effective.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each country
> >>>>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that she/he
> can
> >>>>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of
> their
> >>>>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they can
> be
> >>>>> represented by another person we can change their representative :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not bex
> >>>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for the
> month of
> >>>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about the
> >>>>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other
> proposal to
> >>>>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested people
> must
> >>>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
> accomodation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo
> >>>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in lower costs
> >>>>> (especially for airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree we
> need to
> >>>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever
> >>>>> city we choose.  I second the call for someone to stand up and
> champion
> >>>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> >>>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bex
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its aspects,
> >>>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved so
> that
> >>>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these into the
proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a new page.

I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for improve and
grow the community, since I showed it to the council and famsco I am
looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to improve the objectives
and agenda but it seems that you intend to impose your criteria creating a
new page without asking to others changing the schedule and other aspects
as justification, purpose, goals, etc.

Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for this FAD is
work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I put few talks to help
to get free venue within universities or other places but no as users
centric event.

El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  +1@echevemaster
>
>
>
>  El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado" <
>  echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
>
>
>  El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  escribió:
>
> > Hello LATAM and bex:
> >
> > I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
> > Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >
>
>  Thanks for that.
>
>
> > Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
> > possibility is PUCP.
> > I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public
> > event to train new possible contributors in Lima
> >
>
>  This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't will
>  have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related tasks and
>  offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside to the FAD. We need
>  be focused.
>
>
> > In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more
> > options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
> >
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>  Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
>  misunderstandings
>
>
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >
> > Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to everyone.
> >
>
>  Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers along with
> > Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts and keep
> > the communication to be on the same page.
> >
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Julita
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima
> >> 2017.
> >> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Julita
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
> >>> council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place to
> >>> Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> >>> expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
> >>> to do this evaluation.
> >>>
> >>> About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
> >>> specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet because
> >>> he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru.
> >>> You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >>> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> -1
> >>>>
> >>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and
> >>>> costs.
> >>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Julita
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities
> hasn't a
> >>>>> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I
> included
> >>>>> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The
> second
> >>>>> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> >>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work and
> talks
> >>>>> to users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are
> >>>>> important.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has been
> two
> >>>>>> times where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they
> contain some
> >>>>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure you
> understand
> >>>>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event
> will be
> >>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the possibility of
> no
> >>>>>> promotional event.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my council
> hat, I can't
> >>>>>> see why a promotion component would lead to automatic denial.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good
> for
> >>>>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it
> ties to the
> >>>>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be
> followed up or
> >>>>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this
> promotion
> >>>>>> won't prevent the rest of the FAD from accomplishing its
> goals.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint
> (as
> >>>>>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora and
> want to
> >>>>>> become contributors.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you
> have
> >>>>>> some people prepare for that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> improvement
> >>>>>> request
> >>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am wrong),
> is
> >>>>>> that I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs with
> good
> >>>>>> Internet connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at
> least 7
> >>>>>> ambassadors from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited
> yet).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state some
> >>>>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora
> community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for the
> >>>>>> first day) because as you know I do per year at least five or six
> events to
> >>>>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low percentage
> of
> >>>>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere all
> the time to
> >>>>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free
> online
> >>>>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the honour
> to have all
> >>>>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could do
> one public
> >>>>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can teach
> my local
> >>>>>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
> >>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for
> install
> >>>>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having
> Fedora).
> >>>>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of us,
> for
> >>>>>> newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems and other
> technician
> >>>>>> issue that I know can happen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do more
> >>>>>> private meetings to set up (with a better view from the previous
> day) the
> >>>>>> actions and plans to have a better community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is not
> the
> >>>>>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in
> person.
> >>>>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of Neville,
> >>>>>> because he is always available anytime to response with a online
> talk to my
> >>>>>> people in Lima.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event in
> USIL,
> >>>>>> Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the authorities.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <
> >>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Julita,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora
> Contributors
> >>>>>> (or interested parties) , to get together and produce some
> results, not a
> >>>>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of close
> meeting,
> >>>>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive event
> with talks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> improvement
> >>>>>> request
> >>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all
> >>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum, labs
> and
> >>>>>> auditorium.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since
> >>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
> >>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish version
> of
> >>>>>> this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere
> appropriate
> >>>>>> and easy to fly to is great.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish
> discussions :).
> >>>>>> This is also A-OK :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Br,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to propose
> >>>>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue (and
> assume
> >>>>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose any
> place but I
> >>>>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors
> from
> >>>>>> Lima (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a suitable
> place. The
> >>>>>> costs will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a proposal
> to
> >>>>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal was
> reviewed
> >>>>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the
> council giving
> >>>>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some
> improvements
> >>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear
> objectives.
> >>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization of
> >>>>>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the
> following
> >>>>>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems like
> >>>>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us to
> be more
> >>>>>> efficient and effective.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each
> country
> >>>>>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that
> she/he can
> >>>>>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other collaborators of
> their
> >>>>>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that they
> can be
> >>>>>> represented by another person we can change their representative
> :-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not
> bex
> >>>>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change for
> the month of
> >>>>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru about
> the
> >>>>>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other
> proposal to
> >>>>>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested
> people must
> >>>>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
> accomodation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the FAmSCo
> >>>>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in lower
> costs
> >>>>>> (especially for airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I agree
> we need to
> >>>>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever
> >>>>>> city we choose.  I second the call for someone to stand up and
> champion
> >>>>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be good
> >>>>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its
> aspects,
> >>>>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it approved
> so that
> >>>>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these
> into the
>  proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a new page.
>  
Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have to do.
Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We" it's a good exercise
even if you
are the only person of a team, this does people feeling involved.

>  I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for improve and
>  grow the community, since I showed it to the council and famsco I am
>  looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to improve the objectives
>  and agenda but it seems that you intend to impose your criteria creating a
>  new page without asking to others changing the schedule and other aspects
>  as justification, purpose, goals, etc.
>  
I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people, not
people attracting attention.

>  Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for this FAD is
>  work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I put few talks to help
>  to get free venue within universities or other places but no as users
>  centric event.
>  
If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same that
Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some universities
explaining how it works Fedora community and why is interesting belonging
it. but please avoid become it in the main goal of the event -

>  El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
>  tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
> > +1@echevemaster
> >
> >
> >
> > El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado" <
> > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >
> >
> >
> > El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > escribió:
> >
> >> Hello LATAM and bex:
> >>
> >> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
> >> Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for that.
> >
> >
> >> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
> >> possibility is PUCP.
> >> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public
> >> event to train new possible contributors in Lima
> >>
> >
> > This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't will
> > have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related tasks and
> > offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside to the FAD. We need
> > be focused.
> >
> >
> >> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more
> >> options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
> >>
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> > Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> > misunderstandings
> >
> >
> >>
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >>
> >> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to
> >> everyone.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers along with
> >> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts and keep
> >> the communication to be on the same page.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Julita
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima
> >>> 2017.
> >>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
> >>>> council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place
> to
> >>>> Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> >>>> expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the
> prices
> >>>> to do this evaluation.
> >>>>
> >>>> About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
> >>>> specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet
> because
> >>>> he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in
> Peru.
> >>>> You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >>>> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>> -1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> >>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and
> >>>>> costs.
> >>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Julita
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities
> hasn't a
> >>>>>> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I
> included
> >>>>>> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The
> second
> >>>>>> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> >>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work
> and talks
> >>>>>> to users.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are
> >>>>>> important.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
> >>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has
> been two
> >>>>>>> times where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they
> contain some
> >>>>>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure
> you understand
> >>>>>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the
> event will be
> >>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the
> possibility of no
> >>>>>>> promotional event.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my
> council hat, I
> >>>>>>> can't see why a promotion component would lead to
> automatic denial.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good
> for
> >>>>>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it
> ties to the
> >>>>>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be
> followed up or
> >>>>>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this
> >>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the FAD from
> accomplishing its goals.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint
> (as
> >>>>>>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora
> and want to
> >>>>>>> become contributors.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you
> have
> >>>>>>> some people prepare for that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> improvement
> >>>>>>> request
> >>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <embajadores-fedor
> >>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>>>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am
> wrong), is
> >>>>>>> that I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs
> with good
> >>>>>>> Internet connection, searching hotels and restaurants  for at
> least 7
> >>>>>>> ambassadors from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited
> yet).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state
> some
> >>>>>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora
> community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for
> the
> >>>>>>> first day) because as you know I do per year at least five or
> six events to
> >>>>>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low
> percentage of
> >>>>>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere
> all the time to
> >>>>>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free
> online
> >>>>>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the
> honour to have all
> >>>>>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could
> do one public
> >>>>>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can
> teach my local
> >>>>>>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations,
> wiki
> >>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for
> install
> >>>>>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having
> Fedora).
> >>>>>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of
> us,
> >>>>>>> for newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems
> and other
> >>>>>>> technician issue that I know can happen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do
> more
> >>>>>>> private meetings to set up (with a better view from the
> previous day) the
> >>>>>>> actions and plans to have a better community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is
> not the
> >>>>>>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in
> person.
> >>>>>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of
> Neville,
> >>>>>>> because he is always available anytime to response with a
> online talk to my
> >>>>>>> people in Lima.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event
> in
> >>>>>>> USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the
> authorities.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  [01] http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <
> >>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julita,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora
> Contributors
> >>>>>>> (or interested parties) , to get together and produce some
> results, not a
> >>>>>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of
> close meeting,
> >>>>>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive
> event with talks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> improvement
> >>>>>>> request
> >>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all
> >>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum,
> labs
> >>>>>>> and auditorium.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since
> >>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
> >>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish
> version
> >>>>>>> of this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere
> appropriate
> >>>>>>> and easy to fly to is great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish
> discussions :).
> >>>>>>> This is also A-OK :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Br,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to
> propose
> >>>>>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue
> (and assume
> >>>>>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose
> any place but I
> >>>>>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors
> from
> >>>>>>> Lima (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a
> suitable place. The
> >>>>>>> costs will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>>>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd
> <
> >>>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a
> proposal to
> >>>>>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal
> was reviewed
> >>>>>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the
> council giving
> >>>>>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some
> improvements
> >>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear
> objectives.
> >>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization
> of
> >>>>>>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the
> following
> >>>>>>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems
> like
> >>>>>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us
> to be more
> >>>>>>> efficient and effective.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each
> country
> >>>>>>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that
> she/he can
> >>>>>>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other
> collaborators of their
> >>>>>>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that
> they can be
> >>>>>>> represented by another person we can change their
> representative :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not
> bex
> >>>>>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change
> for the month of
> >>>>>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru
> about the
> >>>>>>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other
> proposal to
> >>>>>>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested
> people must
> >>>>>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
> accomodation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the
> FAmSCo
> >>>>>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in lower
> costs
> >>>>>>> (especially for airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I
> agree we need to
> >>>>>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to meet
> in whatever
> >>>>>>> city we choose.  I second the call for someone to stand up
> and champion
> >>>>>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be
> good
> >>>>>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its
> aspects,
> >>>>>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it
> approved so that
> >>>>>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[yrazes]

 Hello,

Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on Saturday
meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.

For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very beginning, so
I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a different project because
Cusco was so expensive.

I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events, Fudcon
Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real contribution of
people to the project during these events.
In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of view) to
train ourselves or propose better ways to work.

What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with Fedora
such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.

I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not do a
real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you LATAM, and
with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima Challenge (in case
you approve it).
My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
things alone.

Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent other
there more options without them, that you might take.
In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going to be,
you have my support.

Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.

Best regards,
Julita

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>  alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
> > Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these into the
> > proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a new page.
> >
>
>  Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have to do.
>  Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We" it's a good exercise
> even if you
>  are the only person of a team, this does people feeling involved.
>
> >
> > I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for improve
> > and grow the community, since I showed it to the council and famsco I am
> > looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to improve the objectives
> > and agenda but it seems that you intend to impose your criteria creating a
> > new page without asking to others changing the schedule and other aspects
> > as justification, purpose, goals, etc.
> >
>
>  I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people, not
>  people attracting attention.
>
> >
> > Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for this FAD
> > is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I put few talks to
> > help to get free venue within universities or other places but no as users
> > centric event.
> >
>
>  If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same that
>  Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some universities
>  explaining how it works Fedora community and why is interesting belonging
>  it. but please avoid become it in the main goal of the event -
>
> >
> > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> > tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >
> >> +1@echevemaster
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado" <
> >> echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> escribió:
> >>
> >>> Hello LATAM and bex:
> >>>
> >>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
> >>> Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks for that.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
> >>> possibility is PUCP.
> >>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public
> >>> event to train new possible contributors in Lima
> >>>
> >>
> >> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't will
> >> have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related tasks and
> >> offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside to the FAD. We need
> >> be focused.
> >>
> >>
> >>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more
> >>> options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
> >>>
> >>
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> >> misunderstandings
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >>>
> >>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to
> >>> everyone.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers along with
> >>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts and
> keep
> >>> the communication to be on the same page.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima
> >>>> 2017.
> >>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Julita
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
> >>>>> council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the
> place to
> >>>>> Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be
> more
> >>>>> expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the
> prices
> >>>>> to do this evaluation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
> >>>>> specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet
> because
> >>>>> he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in
> Peru.
> >>>>> You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper
> only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >>>>> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
> >>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics
> and
> >>>>>> costs.
> >>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these
> activities hasn't
> >>>>>>> a promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this
> proposal I
> >>>>>>> included a small part of talks to interact with users and
> students. The
> >>>>>>> second purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations
> with a dean or
> >>>>>>> academic coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the
> ambassadors work
> >>>>>>> and talks to users.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that
> are
> >>>>>>> important.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd
> <
> >>>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There
> has been two
> >>>>>>>> times where FAD budgets where requested and deny because
> they contain some
> >>>>>>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make
> sure you understand
> >>>>>>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if
> the event will be
> >>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the
> possibility of no
> >>>>>>>> promotional event.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my
> council hat, I
> >>>>>>>> can't see why a promotion component would lead to
> automatic denial.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was
> good for
> >>>>>>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know
> how it ties to the
> >>>>>>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will
> be followed up or
> >>>>>>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear
> this
> >>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the FAD from
> accomplishing its goals.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation
> sprint (as
> >>>>>>>> example) with people that are already familiar with
> Fedora and want to
> >>>>>>>> become contributors.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if
> you have
> >>>>>>>> some people prepare for that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> >>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> improvement
> >>>>>>>> request
> >>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <embajadores-fedor
> >>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>>>>> Hi Alejandro
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am
> wrong), is
> >>>>>>>> that I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as
> labs with good
> >>>>>>>> Internet connection, searching hotels and restaurants 
> for at least 7
> >>>>>>>> ambassadors from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is
> invited yet).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to
> state some
> >>>>>>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora
> community.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours
> for the
> >>>>>>>> first day) because as you know I do per year at least
> five or six events to
> >>>>>>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low
> percentage of
> >>>>>>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go
> everywhere all the time to
> >>>>>>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a
> free online
> >>>>>>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the
> honour to have all
> >>>>>>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I
> could do one public
> >>>>>>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that
> can teach my local
> >>>>>>>> people to do real contributions as packaging,
> translations, wiki
> >>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for
> install
> >>>>>>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having
> Fedora).
> >>>>>>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most
> of us,
> >>>>>>>> for newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi
> problems and other
> >>>>>>>> technician issue that I know can happen.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do
> more
> >>>>>>>> private meetings to set up (with a better view from the
> previous day) the
> >>>>>>>> actions and plans to have a better community.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it
> is not
> >>>>>>>> the same to have a face to face training or talk to
> somebody in person.
> >>>>>>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of
> Neville,
> >>>>>>>> because he is always available anytime to response with a
> online talk to my
> >>>>>>>> people in Lima.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that
> event in
> >>>>>>>> USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the
> authorities.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <
> >>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Julita,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora
> Contributors
> >>>>>>>> (or interested parties) , to get together and produce
> some results, not a
> >>>>>>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort
> of close meeting,
> >>>>>>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive
> event with talks.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> >>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> improvement
> >>>>>>>> request
> >>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
> >>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> >>>>>>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because
> all
> >>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a
> coliseum, labs
> >>>>>>>> and auditorium.
> >>>>>>>> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since
> >>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
> >>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> Julita
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt;
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish
> version
> >>>>>>>> of this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere
> appropriate
> >>>>>>>> and easy to fly to is great.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish
> discussions
> >>>>>>>> :). This is also A-OK :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Br,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to
> propose
> >>>>>>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable
> venue (and assume
> >>>>>>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody
> propose any place but I
> >>>>>>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with
> ambassadors from
> >>>>>>>> Lima (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a
> suitable place. The
> >>>>>>>> costs will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
> >>>>>>>> Regards.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian
> Exelbierd <
> >>>>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a
> proposal to
> >>>>>>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this
> proposal was reviewed
> >>>>>>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to
> the council giving
> >>>>>>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some
> improvements
> >>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear
> objectives.
> >>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the
> organization of
> >>>>>>>> ambassadors and related topics.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the
> following
> >>>>>>>> link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several
> problems like
> >>>>>>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help
> us to be more
> >>>>>>>> efficient and effective.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for
> each
> >>>>>>>> country that is active and / or influential in their
> country, so that
> >>>>>>>> she/he can replicate (transmit) the agreements of the
> other collaborators
> >>>>>>>> of their countries. If the ambassadors of some country
> consider that they
> >>>>>>>> can be represented by another person we can change their
> representative :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but
> not bex
> >>>>>>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to
> change for the month of
> >>>>>>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru
> about
> >>>>>>>> the place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is
> any other proposal
> >>>>>>>> to change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the
> interested people must
> >>>>>>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks
> and accomodation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the
> FAmSCo
> >>>>>>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in
> lower costs
> >>>>>>>> (especially for airfare).  I think Lima was suggested.  I
> agree we need to
> >>>>>>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to
> meet in whatever
> >>>>>>>> city we choose.  I second the call for someone to stand
> up and champion
> >>>>>>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will
> be good
> >>>>>>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> bex
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its
> aspects,
> >>>>>>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it
> approved so that
> >>>>>>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *_______________________________________________*
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Neville Cross]

Julita

I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.

Best regards

Neville

On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>   Hello,
>  
>  Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
>  Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
>  
>  For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
>  beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
>  different project because Cusco was so expensive.
>  
>  I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
>  Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
>  contribution of people to the project during these events.
>  In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
>  interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
>  view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
>  
>  What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
>  Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
>  
>  I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
>  people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
>  Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
>  do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
>  LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
>  Challenge (in case you approve it).
>  My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
>  things alone.
>  
>  Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
>  other there more options without them, that you might take.
>  In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
>  In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
>  to be, you have my support.
>  
>  Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
>  different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
>  things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
>  
>  Best regards,
>  Julita
>  
>  On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
>  echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  
>  
>  >
>  >
>  > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
>  > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:  
>  >  
>  >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these into
>  >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a
>  >> new page. 
>  >
>  > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
>  > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We" it's a
> good
>  > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
>  > people feeling involved. 
>  >>
>  >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for
>  >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the council
>  >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to
>  >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend to
>  >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to others
>  >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification, purpose,
>  >> goals, etc. 
>  >
>  > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
>  > not people attracting attention.
>  >  
>  >>
>  >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
>  >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I
>  >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
>  >> other places but no as users centric event.
>  >>  
>  >
>  > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
>  > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
>  > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
>  > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
>  > goal of the event - 
>  >>
>  >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <  
>  >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:  
>  >>  
>  >>> +1@echevemaster
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado"
>  >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:  
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
>  >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  >>>  
>  >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
>  >>>>
>  >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private
>  >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
>  >>>>  
>  >>>
>  >>> Thanks for that.
>  >>>
>  >>>  
>  >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the
>  >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
>  >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a
>  >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in Lima
>  >>>>  
>  >>>
>  >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't
>  >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related
>  >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside
>  >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
>  >>>
>  >>>  
>  >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3
>  >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
>  >>>>  
>  >>>
>  >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>  >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
>  >>> misunderstandings
>  >>>
>  >>>  
>  >>>>
>  >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to
>  >>>> everyone.
>  >>>>  
>  >>>
>  >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers
>  >>> along with  
>  >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts
>  >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
>  >>>>  
>  >>>
>  >>>  
>  >>>> Thanks,
>  >>>> Julita
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  >>>> wrote: 
>  >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD
>  >>>>> Lima 2017.
>  >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> Regards,
>  >>>>> Julita
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <  
>  >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  
>  >>>>>  
>  >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is
>  >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend evaluate the
>  >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the airfares can be
>  >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more expensive than
>  >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices to
>  >>>>>> do this evaluation.
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one representative by
>  >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active ambassador. I
>  >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active ambassador, organized
>  >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can participate like
>  >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> Regards
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo
>  >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:  
>  >>>>>>  
>  >>>>>>> -1
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  >>>>>>> escribió:
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
>  >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
>  >>>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including
>  >>>>>>> topics and costs.
>  >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in
> USIL.
>  >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> Thanks,
>  >>>>>>> Julita
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> <  
>  >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  
>  >>>>>>>  
>  >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some
> things.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these
> activities
>  >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component (talks or workshops)
> but in
>  >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part of talks to
> interact
>  >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second purpose is to have
> the
>  >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean or academic
>  >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the
> ambassadors
>  >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities
> that
>  >>>>>>>> are important.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian
> Exelbierd
>  >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:  
>  >>>>>>>>  
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez
> wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event.
> There has
>  >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets where requested and
> deny
>  >>>>>>>>> because they contain some promotional event or time.
> That
>  >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you understand the
> limitation on
>  >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event will
> be
>  >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the
>  >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional event.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing
> my council
>  >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a promotion component would
> lead to
>  >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent
> was
>  >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or the city. I'd
> want to know
>  >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if appropriate. I'd
> want to
>  >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or prepared for to
> ensure
>  >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be
> clear this
>  >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the FAD
> from
>  >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> bex
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or
> translation
>  >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people that are already
> familiar
>  >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become contributors.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal,
> specially if
>  >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for that.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
>  >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD
> proposal
>  >>>>>>>>> improvement request
>  >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <embajadores-fedor
>  >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
>  >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
>  
>  >>>>>>>>> >  
>  >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>  >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
>  >>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hi
> Alejandro
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I
> am
>  >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in Lima a place
> with
>  >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good Internet connection,
> searching
>  >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at least 7 ambassadors
> from
>  >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited yet).
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting:
> to state
>  >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in order to have a
> better
>  >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two
> hours
>  >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you know I do per year
> at
>  >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote Fedora and still
> people
>  >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage of knowledge about
> Linux.
>  >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go everywhere all the time to
> do
>  >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need to work), I did
> a free
>  >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to everyone in
> Backtrackacademy.
>  >>>>>>>>> [01]
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I
> have the honour to
>  >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise
> in
>  >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event day with all of
> you as
>  >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can teach my local people
> to do
>  >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging, translations, wiki
>  >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours
> (for
>  >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in Lima who is
> intersted in
>  >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me, if this activity
> is so
>  >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies is a challenge in
> case
>  >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other technician issue
> that I
>  >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we
> can do
>  >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up (with a better view
> from
>  >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and plans to have a
> better
>  >>>>>>>>> community.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events
> but it is
>  >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face training or talk
> to
>  >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense, I will always
> appreciate
>  >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is always
> available
>  >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online talk to my people
> in Lima.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do
> that event
>  >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan
> to the
>  >>>>>>>>> authorities.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Best,
>  >>>>>>>>> Julita
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez
> <  
>  >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:  
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Julita,
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to
> Fedora
>  >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested parties) , to get
> together and
>  >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a promotional event,
> because of
>  >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close meeting, event do
> out
>  >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a massive event
> with
>  >>>>>>>>> talks.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
>  >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD
> proposal
>  >>>>>>>>> improvement request
>  >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>  >>>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
>  
>  >>>>>>>>> >  
>  >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>  >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
>  >>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hello
> Brian and
>  >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and
> because all
>  >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a
> coliseum,
>  >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
>  >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
>  >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow
> since
>  >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
>  >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and
> food.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
>  >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>  >>>>>>>>> Julita
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
>  >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena
> wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
>  >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the
> Spanish
>  >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this idea is close to
> happen.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so
> anywhere
>  >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is great.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the
> Spanish
>  >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK :)
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> bex
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Br,
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> <  
>  >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:  
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone
> to
>  >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or outside Peru to get
> a
>  >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the logistic, auditorium,
> hotel,
>  >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place but I will to
> wait
>  >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with
>  >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially with bernardoha) I
> think
>  >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The costs will decrease
> in at
>  >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person. Regards.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian
> Exelbierd
>  >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:  
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis
>  >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on
> a
>  >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco
> City,
>  >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some people as
> robyduck and
>  >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the council giving a
> relative
>  >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal needs some
> improvements
>  >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the
> clear
>  >>>>>>>>> objectives.
>  >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the
>  >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and related topics.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at
> the
>  >>>>>>>>> following link:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several
> problems
>  >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary, strategic and
> logistical so
>  >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and effective.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador
> for each
>  >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or influential in
> their
>  >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can replicate (transmit)
> the
>  >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other collaborators of their
> countries.
>  >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country consider that
> they can
>  >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we can change
> their
>  >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of
> June but
>  >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to attend the FAD and
> decided to
>  >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13, 14 and 15) because
> in
>  >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of
> Peru
>  >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if
> there
>  >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the place (inside
> or
>  >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested people must commit
> to get
>  >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
> accomodation.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in
> the
>  >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a different city might
> result
>  >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for airfare).  I think
> Lima was
>  >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have someone who is
> willing
>  >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in whatever city
> we
>  >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for someone to stand up
> and
>  >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the money reasonably.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there
> will be
>  >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about this.
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> regards,
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> bex
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in
> all its
>  >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request support to improve it
> and to
>  >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can improve and grow
> the
>  >>>>>>>>> community. *
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
>  >>>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
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FAD proposal improvement request

[yrazes]

OK Neville!
I sent in the proposal the costs to airport - PUCP, hotels, taxis and menus.
Please tell me what else is needed.
It is OK for me ;)
Julita


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Neville Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:

>  Julita
>
>  I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
>  your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
>  areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
>  be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
>  programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
>  procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
>  whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
>  under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
>  FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
>  that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
>  both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
>  make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
>
>  Best regards
>
>  Neville
>
>  On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
>  yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
>  >  Hello,
>  >
>  > Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
>  > Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
>  >
>  > For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
>  > beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
>  > different project because Cusco was so expensive.
>  >
>  > I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
>  > Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
>  > contribution of people to the project during these events.
>  > In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
>  > interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
>  > view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
>  >
>  > What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
>  > Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
>  >
>  > I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
>  > people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
>  > Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
>  > do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
>  > LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
>  > Challenge (in case you approve it).
>  > My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
>  > things alone.
>  >
>  > Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
>  > other there more options without them, that you might take.
>  > In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
>  > In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
>  > to be, you have my support.
>  >
>  > Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
>  > different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
>  > things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  > Julita
>  >
>  > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
>  > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
>  > > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >
>  > >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these into
>  > >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a
>  > >> new page.
>  > >
>  > > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
>  > > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We"
> it's a good
>  > > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
>  > > people feeling involved.
>  > >>
>  > >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for
>  > >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the council
>  > >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to
>  > >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend to
>  > >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to others
>  > >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification, purpose,
>  > >> goals, etc.
>  > >
>  > > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
>  > > not people attracting attention.
>  > >
>  > >>
>  > >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
>  > >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I
>  > >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
>  > >> other places but no as users centric event.
>  > >>
>  > >
>  > > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
>  > > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
>  > > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
>  > > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
>  > > goal of the event -
>  > >>
>  > >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
>  > >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >>
>  > >>> +1@echevemaster
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria
> Alvarado"
>  > >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
>  > >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >>>
>  > >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private
>  > >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Thanks for that.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the
>  > >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
>  > >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a
>  > >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in Lima
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't
>  > >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related
>  > >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside
>  > >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3
>  > >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>  > >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
>  > >>> misunderstandings
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to
>  > >>>> everyone.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers
>  > >>> along with
>  > >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join
> efforts
>  > >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>>> Thanks,
>  > >>>> Julita
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>>
>  > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  > >>>> wrote:
>  > >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of
> FAD
>  > >>>>> Lima 2017.
>  > >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> Regards,
>  > >>>>> Julita
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>  > >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is
>  > >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend evaluate the
>  > >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the airfares can
> be
>  > >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more expensive than
>  > >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the prices
> to
>  > >>>>>> do this evaluation.
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one representative
> by
>  > >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active ambassador. I
>  > >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active ambassador,
> organized
>  > >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can participate
> like
>  > >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>> Regards
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony
> Mogrovejo
>  > >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> -1
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  > >>>>>>> escribió:
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
>  > >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
>  > >>>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  > >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged,
> including
>  > >>>>>>> topics and costs.
>  > >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD
> in USIL.
>  > >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> Thanks,
>  > >>>>>>> Julita
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
>  > >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some
> things.
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that
> these activities
>  > >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component (talks or
> workshops) but in
>  > >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part of talks to
> interact
>  > >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second purpose is to
> have the
>  > >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
>  > >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the
> ambassadors
>  > >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other
> activities that
>  > >>>>>>>> are important.
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian
> Exelbierd
>  > >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro
> perez wrote:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion
> event. There has
>  > >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets where
> requested and deny
>  > >>>>>>>>> because they contain some promotional event or
> time. That
>  > >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you understand the
> limitation on
>  > >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the event
> will be
>  > >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider
> the
>  > >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional event.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but
> wearing my council
>  > >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a promotion component
> would lead to
>  > >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this
> compent was
>  > >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or the city.
> I'd want to know
>  > >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if appropriate.
> I'd want to
>  > >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or prepared for
> to ensure
>  > >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be
> clear this
>  > >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the FAD
> from
>  > >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> bex
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or
> translation
>  > >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people that are
> already familiar
>  > >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become contributors.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal,
> specially if
>  > >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for that.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
>  > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD
> proposal
>  > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
>  > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <embajadores-fedor
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%
>  3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
>  > >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%
>  3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
>  > >>>>>>>>> >
>  > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
>  > >>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hi
> Alejandro
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in
> case I am
>  > >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in Lima a place
> with
>  > >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good Internet
> connection, searching
>  > >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at least 7
> ambassadors from
>  > >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited
> yet).
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the
> meeting: to state
>  > >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in order to have a
> better
>  > >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event
> (two hours
>  > >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you know I do per
> year at
>  > >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote Fedora and
> still people
>  > >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage of knowledge
> about Linux.
>  > >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go everywhere all the
> time to do
>  > >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need to work), I
> did a free
>  > >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to everyone in
> Backtrackacademy.
>  > >>>>>>>>> [01]
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if
> I have the honour to
>  > >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima (Ambassadors with
> expertise in
>  > >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event day with
> all of you as
>  > >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can teach my local
> people to do
>  > >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging, translations,
> wiki
>  > >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two
> hours (for
>  > >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in Lima who is
> intersted in
>  > >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me, if this
> activity is so
>  > >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies is a
> challenge in case
>  > >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other technician
> issue that I
>  > >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head)
> we can do
>  > >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up (with a better
> view from
>  > >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and plans to have
> a better
>  > >>>>>>>>> community.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my
> events but it is
>  > >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face training or
> talk to
>  > >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense, I will
> always appreciate
>  > >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is always
> available
>  > >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online talk to my
> people in Lima.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to
> do that event
>  > >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a formal
> plan to the
>  > >>>>>>>>> authorities.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Best,
>  > >>>>>>>>> Julita
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro
> perez <
>  > >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Julita,
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to
> Fedora
>  > >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested parties) , to get
> together and
>  > >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a promotional event,
> because of
>  > >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close meeting,
> event do out
>  > >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a massive
> event with
>  > >>>>>>>>> talks.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
>  > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD
> proposal
>  > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
>  > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%
>  3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
>  > >>>>>>>>> >
>  > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
>  > >>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> Hello Brian and
>  > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and
> because all
>  > >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get
> a coliseum,
>  > >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
>  > >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to
> follow since
>  > >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
>  > >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels
> and food.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
>  > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>  > >>>>>>>>> Julita
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian
> Exelbierd
>  > >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard
> Lucena wrote:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
>  > >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in
> the Spanish
>  > >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this idea is
> close to happen.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place
> so anywhere
>  > >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is great.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the
> Spanish
>  > >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK :)
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> bex
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Br,
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
>  > >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested
> someone to
>  > >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or outside Peru to
> get a
>  > >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the logistic,
> auditorium, hotel,
>  > >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place but I will
> to wait
>  > >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk
> with
>  > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially with
> bernardoha) I think
>  > >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The costs will
> decrease in at
>  > >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person. Regards.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59,
> Brian Exelbierd
>  > >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis
>  > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was
> working on a
>  > >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an organizational FAD in
> Cusco City,
>  > >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some people as
> robyduck and
>  > >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the council giving a
> relative
>  > >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal needs some
> improvements
>  > >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish
> the clear
>  > >>>>>>>>> objectives.
>  > >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding
> the
>  > >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and related
> topics.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be
> reviewed at the
>  > >>>>>>>>> following link:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve
> several problems
>  > >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary, strategic and
> logistical so
>  > >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and effective.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an
> ambassador for each
>  > >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or influential in
> their
>  > >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can replicate
> (transmit) the
>  > >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other collaborators of their
> countries.
>  > >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country consider
> that they can
>  > >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we can change
> their
>  > >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month
> of June but
>  > >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to attend the FAD
> and decided to
>  > >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13, 14 and 15)
> because in
>  > >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the
> ambassadors of Peru
>  > >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco as the
> venue, if there
>  > >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the place
> (inside or
>  > >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested people must
> commit to get
>  > >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
> accomodation.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar
> suggested in the
>  > >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a different city
> might result
>  > >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for airfare).  I
> think Lima was
>  > >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have someone who
> is willing
>  > >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in whatever
> city we
>  > >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for someone to stand
> up and
>  > >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the money
> reasonably.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope
> there will be
>  > >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about this.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> regards,
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> bex
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved
> in all its
>  > >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request support to improve
> it and to
>  > >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can improve and
> grow the
>  > >>>>>>>>> community. *
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
>  > >>>>>>>>>
>  > >>>>>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

Good evening everyone, to avoid the problem of cities where you can carry
out the FAD I created a new wiki page at the following URL
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017 . I added the cheaper costs
of Julita and the costs of Cusco to have everything together.

I changed to chilean representative to Eduard Lucena (X3mboy:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:X3mboy) because he is very active and
works in many groups in the community.

Finally I will update the goals and the agenda tomorrow, I hope to get
positive feedback in the saturday meeting.

Best regards.

Alex Oviedo

El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 21:34, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
escribió:

>  OK Neville!
>  I sent in the proposal the costs to airport - PUCP, hotels, taxis and
>  menus.
>  Please tell me what else is needed.
>  It is OK for me ;)
>  Julita
>
>
>  On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Neville Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
>
> >
> > Julita
> >
> > I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
> > your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
> > areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
> > be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
> > programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
> > procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
> > whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
> > under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
> > FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
> > that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
> > both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
> > make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Neville
> >
> > On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
> > yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > >  Hello,
> > >
> > > Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
> > > Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
> > >
> > > For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
> > > beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
> > > different project because Cusco was so expensive.
> > >
> > > I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
> > > Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
> > > contribution of people to the project during these events.
> > > In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
> > > interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
> > > view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
> > >
> > > What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
> > > Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
> > >
> > > I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
> > > people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
> > > Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
> > > do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
> > > LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
> > > Challenge (in case you approve it).
> > > My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
> > > things alone.
> > >
> > > Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
> > > other there more options without them, that you might take.
> > > In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
> > > In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
> > > to be, you have my support.
> > >
> > > Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
> > > different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
> > > things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Julita
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
> > > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> > > > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these
> into
> > > >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create
> a
> > > >> new page.
> > > >
> > > > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
> > > > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We"
> it's a good
> > > > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
> > > > people feeling involved.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for
> > > >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the council
> > > >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to
> > > >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend to
> > > >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to others
> > > >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification, purpose,
> > > >> goals, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
> > > > not people attracting attention.
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
> > > >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I
> > > >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
> > > >> other places but no as users centric event.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
> > > > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
> > > > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
> > > > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
> > > > goal of the event -
> > > >>
> > > >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> > > >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >>
> > > >>> +1@echevemaster
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria
> Alvarado"
> > > >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
> > > >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private
> > > >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks for that.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the
> > > >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
> > > >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a
> > > >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in Lima
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we
> don't
> > > >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related
> > > >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite people
> outside
> > > >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3
> > > >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce prices for
> FAD.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> > > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> > > >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> > > >>> misunderstandings
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better
> to
> > > >>>> everyone.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers
> > > >>> along with
> > > >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join
> efforts
> > > >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> Julita
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of
> FAD
> > > >>>>> Lima 2017.
> > > >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>> Julita
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> <
> > > >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is
> > > >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend evaluate
> the
> > > >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the airfares
> can be
> > > >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more expensive
> than
> > > >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the
> prices to
> > > >>>>>> do this evaluation.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one
> representative by
> > > >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active
> ambassador. I
> > > >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active ambassador,
> organized
> > > >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can
> participate like
> > > >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Regards
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony
> Mogrovejo
> > > >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> -1
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > > >>>>>>> escribió:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> > > >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave
> me
> > > >>>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> > > >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged,
> including
> > > >>>>>>> topics and costs.
> > > >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a
> FAD in USIL.
> > > >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>> Julita
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
> > > >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify
> some things.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that
> these activities
> > > >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component (talks or
> workshops) but in
> > > >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part of talks
> to interact
> > > >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second purpose is
> to have the
> > > >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> > > >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for
> the ambassadors
> > > >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other
> activities that
> > > >>>>>>>> are important.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06,
> Brian Exelbierd
> > > >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM,
> alejandro perez wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion
> event. There has
> > > >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets where
> requested and deny
> > > >>>>>>>>> because they contain some promotional event
> or time. That
> > > >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you understand
> the limitation on
> > > >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the
> event will be
> > > >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to
> consider the
> > > >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional event.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this history,
> but wearing my council
> > > >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a promotion
> component would lead to
> > > >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how
> this compent was
> > > >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or the city.
> I'd want to know
> > > >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if appropriate.
> I'd want to
> > > >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or prepared
> for to ensure
> > > >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that
> it be clear this
> > > >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the
> FAD from
> > > >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> bex
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or
> translation
> > > >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people that are
> already familiar
> > > >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become
> contributors.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal,
> specially if
> > > >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for that.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
> > > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re:
> FAD proposal
> > > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> > > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <embajadores-fedor
> > > >>>>>>>>> <
> >
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > %3e>
> > > >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > >>>>>>>>> <
> >
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > %3e>
> > > >>>>>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> Hi Alejandro
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me
> in case I am
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in Lima a
> place with
> > > >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good Internet
> connection, searching
> > > >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at least 7
> ambassadors from
> > > >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited
> yet).
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the
> meeting: to state
> > > >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in order to
> have a better
> > > >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the
> event (two hours
> > > >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you know I do
> per year at
> > > >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote Fedora
> and still people
> > > >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> knowledge about Linux.
> > > >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go everywhere all
> the time to do
> > > >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need to
> work), I did a free
> > > >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to everyone in
> Backtrackacademy.
> > > >>>>>>>>> [01]
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great
> if I have the honour to
> > > >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima (Ambassadors with
> expertise in
> > > >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event day
> with all of you as
> > > >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can teach my
> local people to do
> > > >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging,
> translations, wiki
> > > >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first
> two hours (for
> > > >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in Lima who
> is intersted in
> > > >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me, if this
> activity is so
> > > >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies is a
> challenge in case
> > > >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other
> technician issue that I
> > > >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my
> head) we can do
> > > >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up (with a
> better view from
> > > >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and plans to
> have a better
> > > >>>>>>>>> community.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my
> events but it is
> > > >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face
> training or talk to
> > > >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense, I will
> always appreciate
> > > >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is always
> available
> > > >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online talk to
> my people in Lima.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me
> to do that event
> > > >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a
> formal plan to the
> > > >>>>>>>>> authorities.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro
> perez <
> > > >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Julita,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated
> to Fedora
> > > >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested parties) , to
> get together and
> > > >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a promotional
> event, because of
> > > >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close meeting,
> event do out
> > > >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a massive
> event with
> > > >>>>>>>>> talks.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
> > > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re:
> FAD proposal
> > > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> > > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > > >>>>>>>>> <
> >
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> > %3e>
> > > >>>>>>>>> >
> > > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
> <
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>>>> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt;
> Hello Brian and
> > > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university
> and because all
> > > >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to
> get a coliseum,
> > > >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> > > >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to
> follow since
> > > >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
> > > >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for
> hotels and food.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it
> :)
> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian
> Exelbierd
> > > >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard
> Lucena wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> > > >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this
> in the Spanish
> > > >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this idea is
> close to happen.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific
> place so anywhere
> > > >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is great.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow
> the Spanish
> > > >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK :)
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> bex
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Br,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> > > >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I
> requested someone to
> > > >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or outside
> Peru to get a
> > > >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the logistic,
> auditorium, hotel,
> > > >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place but I
> will to wait
> > > >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk
> with
> > > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially with
> bernardoha) I think
> > > >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The costs will
> decrease in at
> > > >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person. Regards.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59,
> Brian Exelbierd
> > > >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex
> Irmel Oviedo Solis
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was
> working on a
> > > >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an organizational FAD
> in Cusco City,
> > > >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some people
> as robyduck and
> > > >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the council
> giving a relative
> > > >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal needs
> some improvements
> > > >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to
> establish the clear
> > > >>>>>>>>> objectives.
> > > >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding
> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and related
> topics.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be
> reviewed at the
> > > >>>>>>>>> following link:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve
> several problems
> > > >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary, strategic and
> logistical so
> > > >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and
> effective.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an
> ambassador for each
> > > >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or influential
> in their
> > > >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can replicate
> (transmit) the
> > > >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other collaborators of
> their countries.
> > > >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country consider
> that they can
> > > >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we can
> change their
> > > >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the
> month of June but
> > > >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to attend the
> FAD and decided to
> > > >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13, 14 and
> 15) because in
> > > >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the
> ambassadors of Peru
> > > >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco as the
> venue, if there
> > > >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the place
> (inside or
> > > >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested people must
> commit to get
> > > >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings, talks
> and accomodation.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar
> suggested in the
> > > >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a different
> city might result
> > > >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for airfare).  I
> think Lima was
> > > >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have someone
> who is willing
> > > >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever city we
> > > >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for someone to
> stand up and
> > > >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the money
> reasonably.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I
> hope there will be
> > > >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about this.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> regards,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> bex
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be
> improved in all its
> > > >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request support to
> improve it and to
> > > >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can improve and
> grow the
> > > >>>>>>>>> community. *
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

I forgot, Julita please update the airfare for Itamar, He is from
Uberlandia not from Sao Paulo.

El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 22:01, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  Good evening everyone, to avoid the problem of cities where you can
> carry
>  out the FAD I created a new wiki page at the following URL
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017 . I added the cheaper costs
>  of Julita and the costs of Cusco to have everything together.
>
>  I changed to chilean representative to Eduard Lucena (X3mboy:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:X3mboy) because he is very active and
>  works in many groups in the community.
>
>  Finally I will update the goals and the agenda tomorrow, I hope to get
>  positive feedback in the saturday meeting.
>
>  Best regards.
>
>
>  Alex Oviedo
>
>  El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 21:34, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  escribió:
>
> > OK Neville!
> > I sent in the proposal the costs to airport - PUCP, hotels, taxis and
> > menus.
> > Please tell me what else is needed.
> > It is OK for me ;)
> > Julita
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Neville Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Julita
> >>
> >> I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
> >> your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
> >> areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
> >> be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
> >> programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
> >> procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
> >> whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
> >> under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
> >> FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
> >> that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
> >> both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
> >> make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Neville
> >>
> >> On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
> >> yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> >  Hello,
> >> >
> >> > Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
> >> > Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
> >> >
> >> > For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
> >> > beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
> >> > different project because Cusco was so expensive.
> >> >
> >> > I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
> >> > Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
> >> > contribution of people to the project during these events.
> >> > In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
> >> > interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
> >> > view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
> >> >
> >> > What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
> >> > Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
> >> >
> >> > I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
> >> > people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
> >> > Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
> >> > do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
> >> > LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
> >> > Challenge (in case you approve it).
> >> > My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
> >> > things alone.
> >> >
> >> > Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
> >> > other there more options without them, that you might take.
> >> > In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
> >> > In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
> >> > to be, you have my support.
> >> >
> >> > Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
> >> > different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
> >> > things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Julita
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
> >> > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >> > > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these
> into
> >> > >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should
> create a
> >> > >> new page.
> >> > >
> >> > > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
> >> > > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We"
> it's a good
> >> > > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
> >> > > people feeling involved.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for
> >> > >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the council
> >> > >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to
> >> > >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend to
> >> > >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to others
> >> > >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification, purpose,
> >> > >> goals, etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
> >> > > not people attracting attention.
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
> >> > >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I
> >> > >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
> >> > >> other places but no as users centric event.
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
> >> > > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
> >> > > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
> >> > > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
> >> > > goal of the event -
> >> > >>
> >> > >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >> > >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> +1@echevemaster
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria
> Alvarado"
> >> > >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
> >> > >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private
> >> > >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks for that.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think
> the
> >> > >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
> >> > >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also
> a
> >> > >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in Lima
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we
> don't
> >> > >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora
> related
> >> > >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite people
> outside
> >> > >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present
> 3
> >> > >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce prices
> for FAD.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >> > >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> >> > >>> misunderstandings
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it
> better to
> >> > >>>> everyone.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers
> >> > >>> along with
> >> > >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just
> join efforts
> >> > >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Thanks,
> >> > >>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> > >>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the
> organizer of FAD
> >> > >>>>> Lima 2017.
> >> > >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
> >> > >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco
> is
> >> > >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend evaluate
> the
> >> > >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the
> airfares can be
> >> > >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> expensive than
> >> > >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the
> prices to
> >> > >>>>>> do this evaluation.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one
> representative by
> >> > >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active
> ambassador. I
> >> > >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active
> ambassador, organized
> >> > >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can
> participate like
> >> > >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Regards
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony
> Mogrovejo
> >> > >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> -1
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> > >>>>>>> escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >> > >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just
> gave me
> >> > >>>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> > >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged,
> including
> >> > >>>>>>> topics and costs.
> >> > >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange
> a FAD in USIL.
> >> > >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on
> July?
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >> > >>>>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> >> > >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to
> clarify some things.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true
> that these activities
> >> > >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component (talks
> or workshops) but in
> >> > >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part of
> talks to interact
> >> > >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second purpose
> is to have the
> >> > >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> >> > >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue
> for the ambassadors
> >> > >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other
> activities that
> >> > >>>>>>>> are important.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06,
> Brian Exelbierd
> >> > >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM,
> alejandro perez wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a
> promotion event. There has
> >> > >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets where
> requested and deny
> >> > >>>>>>>>> because they contain some promotional
> event or time. That
> >> > >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you
> understand the limitation on
> >> > >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide if
> the event will be
> >> > >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to
> consider the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional event.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this
> history, but wearing my council
> >> > >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a promotion
> component would lead to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how
> this compent was
> >> > >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or the
> city. I'd want to know
> >> > >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if
> appropriate. I'd want to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or
> prepared for to ensure
> >> > >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be
> that it be clear this
> >> > >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of
> the FAD from
> >> > >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops
> or translation
> >> > >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people that
> are already familiar
> >> > >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become
> contributors.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD
> proposal, specially if
> >> > >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for that.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03
> -0500
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam]
> Re: FAD proposal
> >> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> %3e>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> %3e>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hi Alejandro
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct
> me in case I am
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in Lima
> a place with
> >> > >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good Internet
> connection, searching
> >> > >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at least 7
> ambassadors from
> >> > >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is
> invited yet).
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of
> the meeting: to state
> >> > >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in order
> to have a better
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the
> event (two hours
> >> > >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you know
> I do per year at
> >> > >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote
> Fedora and still people
> >> > >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> knowledge about Linux.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go everywhere
> all the time to do
> >> > >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need to
> work), I did a free
> >> > >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to everyone
> in Backtrackacademy.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> [01]
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be
> great if I have the honour to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima (Ambassadors
> with expertise in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event day
> with all of you as
> >> > >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can teach my
> local people to do
> >> > >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging,
> translations, wiki
> >> > >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the
> first two hours (for
> >> > >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in Lima
> who is intersted in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me, if
> this activity is so
> >> > >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies is a
> challenge in case
> >> > >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other
> technician issue that I
> >> > >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in
> my head) we can do
> >> > >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up (with a
> better view from
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and plans
> to have a better
> >> > >>>>>>>>> community.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in
> my events but it is
> >> > >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face
> training or talk to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense, I
> will always appreciate
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is
> always available
> >> > >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online talk
> to my people in Lima.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want
> me to do that event
> >> > >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present
> a formal plan to the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> authorities.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM,
> alejandro perez <
> >> > >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Julita,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is
> dedicated to Fedora
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested parties) ,
> to get together and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a promotional
> event, because of
> >> > >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close
> meeting, event do out
> >> > >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a
> massive event with
> >> > >>>>>>>>> talks.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56
> -0500
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam]
> Re: FAD proposal
> >> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> %3e>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hello Brian and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private
> university and because all
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at
> USIL to get a coliseum,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >> > >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a
> plan to follow since
> >> > >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for
> hotels and food.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to
> do it :)
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian
> Exelbierd
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM,
> Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about
> this in the Spanish
> >> > >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this
> idea is close to happen.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific
> place so anywhere
> >> > >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is
> great.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't
> follow the Spanish
> >> > >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK :)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Br,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> >> > >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I
> requested someone to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or outside
> Peru to get a
> >> > >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the
> logistic, auditorium, hotel,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place but
> I will to wait
> >> > >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can
> talk with
> >> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially with
> bernardoha) I think
> >> > >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The costs
> will decrease in at
> >> > >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person. Regards.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s)
> 09:59, Brian Exelbierd
> >> > >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex
> Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I
> was working on a
> >> > >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an organizational
> FAD in Cusco City,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some
> people as robyduck and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the council
> giving a relative
> >> > >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal needs
> some improvements
> >> > >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to
> establish the clear
> >> > >>>>>>>>> objectives.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco
> regarding the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and related
> topics.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can
> be reviewed at the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> following link:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to
> solve several problems
> >> > >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary, strategic
> and logistical so
> >> > >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and
> effective.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an
> ambassador for each
> >> > >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or
> influential in their
> >> > >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can replicate
> (transmit) the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other collaborators
> of their countries.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country
> consider that they can
> >> > >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we can
> change their
> >> > >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the
> month of June but
> >> > >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to attend
> the FAD and decided to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13, 14
> and 15) because in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the
> ambassadors of Peru
> >> > >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco as
> the venue, if there
> >> > >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the
> place (inside or
> >> > >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested people
> must commit to get
> >> > >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings,
> talks and accomodation.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar
> suggested in the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a
> different city might result
> >> > >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for
> airfare).  I think Lima was
> >> > >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have
> someone who is willing
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever city we
> >> > >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for someone
> to stand up and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the money
> reasonably.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and
> I hope there will be
> >> > >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about this.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be
> improved in all its
> >> > >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request support to
> improve it and to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can improve
> and grow the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> community. *
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

Thanks for changing the name of the event to be more adapted to the event
goal, please create a ticket (if does not exists) for discussing the topic
in the Saturday's meeting,

El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 22:02, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  Good evening everyone, to avoid the problem of cities where you can
> carry
>  out the FAD I created a new wiki page at the following URL
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017 . I added the cheaper costs
>  of Julita and the costs of Cusco to have everything together.
>
>  I changed to chilean representative to Eduard Lucena (X3mboy:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:X3mboy) because he is very active and
>  works in many groups in the community.
>
>  Finally I will update the goals and the agenda tomorrow, I hope to get
>  positive feedback in the saturday meeting.
>
>  Best regards.
>
>
>  Alex Oviedo
>
>  El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 21:34, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  escribió:
>
> > OK Neville!
> > I sent in the proposal the costs to airport - PUCP, hotels, taxis and
> > menus.
> > Please tell me what else is needed.
> > It is OK for me ;)
> > Julita
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Neville Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Julita
> >>
> >> I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
> >> your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
> >> areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
> >> be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
> >> programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
> >> procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
> >> whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
> >> under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
> >> FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
> >> that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
> >> both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
> >> make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >>
> >> Neville
> >>
> >> On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
> >> yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> >  Hello,
> >> >
> >> > Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
> >> > Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
> >> >
> >> > For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
> >> > beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
> >> > different project because Cusco was so expensive.
> >> >
> >> > I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
> >> > Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
> >> > contribution of people to the project during these events.
> >> > In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
> >> > interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
> >> > view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
> >> >
> >> > What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
> >> > Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
> >> >
> >> > I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
> >> > people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
> >> > Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
> >> > do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
> >> > LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
> >> > Challenge (in case you approve it).
> >> > My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
> >> > things alone.
> >> >
> >> > Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
> >> > other there more options without them, that you might take.
> >> > In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
> >> > In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
> >> > to be, you have my support.
> >> >
> >> > Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
> >> > different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
> >> > things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Julita
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
> >> > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >> > > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these
> into
> >> > >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should
> create a
> >> > >> new page.
> >> > >
> >> > > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
> >> > > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We"
> it's a good
> >> > > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
> >> > > people feeling involved.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for
> >> > >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the council
> >> > >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to
> >> > >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend to
> >> > >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to others
> >> > >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification, purpose,
> >> > >> goals, etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
> >> > > not people attracting attention.
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
> >> > >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I
> >> > >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
> >> > >> other places but no as users centric event.
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
> >> > > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
> >> > > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
> >> > > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
> >> > > goal of the event -
> >> > >>
> >> > >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
> >> > >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> +1@echevemaster
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria
> Alvarado"
> >> > >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
> >> > >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private
> >> > >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks for that.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think
> the
> >> > >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
> >> > >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also
> a
> >> > >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in Lima
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we
> don't
> >> > >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora
> related
> >> > >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite people
> outside
> >> > >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present
> 3
> >> > >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce prices
> for FAD.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >> > >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> >> > >>> misunderstandings
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it
> better to
> >> > >>>> everyone.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers
> >> > >>> along with
> >> > >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just
> join efforts
> >> > >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Thanks,
> >> > >>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> > >>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the
> organizer of FAD
> >> > >>>>> Lima 2017.
> >> > >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
> >> > >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco
> is
> >> > >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend evaluate
> the
> >> > >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the
> airfares can be
> >> > >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> expensive than
> >> > >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the
> prices to
> >> > >>>>>> do this evaluation.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one
> representative by
> >> > >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active
> ambassador. I
> >> > >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active
> ambassador, organized
> >> > >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can
> participate like
> >> > >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Regards
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony
> Mogrovejo
> >> > >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> -1
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> > >>>>>>> escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >> > >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just
> gave me
> >> > >>>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> > >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged,
> including
> >> > >>>>>>> topics and costs.
> >> > >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange
> a FAD in USIL.
> >> > >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on
> July?
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >> > >>>>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> >> > >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to
> clarify some things.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true
> that these activities
> >> > >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component (talks
> or workshops) but in
> >> > >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part of
> talks to interact
> >> > >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second purpose
> is to have the
> >> > >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean or
> academic
> >> > >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue
> for the ambassadors
> >> > >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other
> activities that
> >> > >>>>>>>> are important.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06,
> Brian Exelbierd
> >> > >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM,
> alejandro perez wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a
> promotion event. There has
> >> > >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets where
> requested and deny
> >> > >>>>>>>>> because they contain some promotional
> event or time. That
> >> > >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you
> understand the limitation on
> >> > >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide if
> the event will be
> >> > >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to
> consider the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional event.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this
> history, but wearing my council
> >> > >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a promotion
> component would lead to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how
> this compent was
> >> > >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or the
> city. I'd want to know
> >> > >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if
> appropriate. I'd want to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or
> prepared for to ensure
> >> > >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be
> that it be clear this
> >> > >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of
> the FAD from
> >> > >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops
> or translation
> >> > >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people that
> are already familiar
> >> > >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become
> contributors.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD
> proposal, specially if
> >> > >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for that.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03
> -0500
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam]
> Re: FAD proposal
> >> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> %3e>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> %3e>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hi Alejandro
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct
> me in case I am
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in Lima
> a place with
> >> > >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good Internet
> connection, searching
> >> > >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at least 7
> ambassadors from
> >> > >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is
> invited yet).
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of
> the meeting: to state
> >> > >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in order
> to have a better
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the
> event (two hours
> >> > >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you know
> I do per year at
> >> > >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote
> Fedora and still people
> >> > >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage of
> knowledge about Linux.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go everywhere
> all the time to do
> >> > >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need to
> work), I did a free
> >> > >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to everyone
> in Backtrackacademy.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> [01]
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be
> great if I have the honour to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima (Ambassadors
> with expertise in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event day
> with all of you as
> >> > >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can teach my
> local people to do
> >> > >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging,
> translations, wiki
> >> > >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the
> first two hours (for
> >> > >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in Lima
> who is intersted in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me, if
> this activity is so
> >> > >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies is a
> challenge in case
> >> > >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other
> technician issue that I
> >> > >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in
> my head) we can do
> >> > >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up (with a
> better view from
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and plans
> to have a better
> >> > >>>>>>>>> community.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in
> my events but it is
> >> > >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face
> training or talk to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense, I
> will always appreciate
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is
> always available
> >> > >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online talk
> to my people in Lima.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want
> me to do that event
> >> > >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present
> a formal plan to the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> authorities.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM,
> alejandro perez <
> >> > >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Julita,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is
> dedicated to Fedora
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested parties) ,
> to get together and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a promotional
> event, because of
> >> > >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close
> meeting, event do out
> >> > >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a
> massive event with
> >> > >>>>>>>>> talks.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56
> -0500
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam]
> Re: FAD proposal
> >> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >> %3e>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hello Brian and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private
> university and because all
> >> > >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at
> USIL to get a coliseum,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >> > >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a
> plan to follow since
> >> > >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for
> hotels and food.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to
> do it :)
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian
> Exelbierd
> >> > >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM,
> Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about
> this in the Spanish
> >> > >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this
> idea is close to happen.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific
> place so anywhere
> >> > >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is
> great.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't
> follow the Spanish
> >> > >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK :)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Br,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> >> > >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I
> requested someone to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or outside
> Peru to get a
> >> > >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the
> logistic, auditorium, hotel,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place but
> I will to wait
> >> > >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can
> talk with
> >> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially with
> bernardoha) I think
> >> > >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The costs
> will decrease in at
> >> > >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person. Regards.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s)
> 09:59, Brian Exelbierd
> >> > >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex
> Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I
> was working on a
> >> > >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an organizational
> FAD in Cusco City,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some
> people as robyduck and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the council
> giving a relative
> >> > >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal needs
> some improvements
> >> > >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to
> establish the clear
> >> > >>>>>>>>> objectives.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco
> regarding the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and related
> topics.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can
> be reviewed at the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> following link:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to
> solve several problems
> >> > >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary, strategic
> and logistical so
> >> > >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and
> effective.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an
> ambassador for each
> >> > >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or
> influential in their
> >> > >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can replicate
> (transmit) the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other collaborators
> of their countries.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country
> consider that they can
> >> > >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we can
> change their
> >> > >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the
> month of June but
> >> > >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to attend
> the FAD and decided to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13, 14
> and 15) because in
> >> > >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the
> ambassadors of Peru
> >> > >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco as
> the venue, if there
> >> > >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the
> place (inside or
> >> > >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested people
> must commit to get
> >> > >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings,
> talks and accomodation.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar
> suggested in the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a
> different city might result
> >> > >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for
> airfare).  I think Lima was
> >> > >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have
> someone who is willing
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever city we
> >> > >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for someone
> to stand up and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the money
> reasonably.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and
> I hope there will be
> >> > >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about this.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be
> improved in all its
> >> > >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request support to
> improve it and to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can improve
> and grow the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> community. *
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[yrazes]

Hello

Just to inform that this semester I work Saturdays all day at UNI.
I could not be able to attend meetings lately for this reason.

Best,
Julita


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado <
echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Thanks for changing the name of the event to be more adapted to the
> event
>  goal, please create a ticket (if does not exists) for discussing the topic
>  in the Saturday's meeting,
>
>  El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 22:02, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>  alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
> > Good evening everyone, to avoid the problem of cities where you can carry
> > out the FAD I created a new wiki page at the following URL
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017 . I added the cheaper
> > costs of Julita and the costs of Cusco to have everything together.
> >
> > I changed to chilean representative to Eduard Lucena (X3mboy:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:X3mboy) because he is very active
> > and works in many groups in the community.
> >
> > Finally I will update the goals and the agenda tomorrow, I hope to get
> > positive feedback in the saturday meeting.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> >
> > Alex Oviedo
> >
> > El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 21:34, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > escribió:
> >
> >> OK Neville!
> >> I sent in the proposal the costs to airport - PUCP, hotels, taxis and
> >> menus.
> >> Please tell me what else is needed.
> >> It is OK for me ;)
> >> Julita
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Neville Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>> I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
> >>> your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
> >>> areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
> >>> be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
> >>> programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
> >>> procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
> >>> whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
> >>> under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
> >>> FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
> >>> that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
> >>> both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
> >>> make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Neville
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
> >>> yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >  Hello,
> >>> >
> >>> > Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
> >>> > Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
> >>> >
> >>> > For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
> >>> > beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
> >>> > different project because Cusco was so expensive.
> >>> >
> >>> > I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
> >>> > Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
> >>> > contribution of people to the project during these events.
> >>> > In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
> >>> > interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
> >>> > view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
> >>> >
> >>> > What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
> >>> > Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
> >>> >
> >>> > I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
> >>> > people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
> >>> > Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
> >>> > do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
> >>> > LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
> >>> > Challenge (in case you approve it).
> >>> > My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
> >>> > things alone.
> >>> >
> >>> > Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
> >>> > other there more options without them, that you might take.
> >>> > In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
> >>> > In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
> >>> > to be, you have my support.
> >>> >
> >>> > Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
> >>> > different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
> >>> > things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
> >>> >
> >>> > Best regards,
> >>> > Julita
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado
> <
> >>> > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >>> > > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put
> these into
> >>> > >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should
> create a
> >>> > >> new page.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
> >>> > > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more
> "We" it's a good
> >>> > > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
> >>> > > people feeling involved.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking
> for
> >>> > >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the
> council
> >>> > >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors
> to
> >>> > >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend
> to
> >>> > >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to
> others
> >>> > >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification,
> purpose,
> >>> > >> goals, etc.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
> >>> > > not people attracting attention.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
> >>> > >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions,
> I
> >>> > >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
> >>> > >> other places but no as users centric event.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
> >>> > > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
> >>> > > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
> >>> > > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
> >>> > > goal of the event -
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo
> <
> >>> > >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>> +1@echevemaster
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria
> Alvarado"
> >>> > >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
> >>> > >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two
> private
> >>> > >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Thanks for that.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I
> think the
> >>> > >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
> >>> > >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and
> also a
> >>> > >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in
> Lima
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we
> don't
> >>> > >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora
> related
> >>> > >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite
> people outside
> >>> > >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also
> present 3
> >>> > >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce
> prices for FAD.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >>> > >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> >>> > >>> misunderstandings
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it
> better to
> >>> > >>>> everyone.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD
> organisers
> >>> > >>> along with
> >>> > >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just
> join efforts
> >>> > >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> Thanks,
> >>> > >>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >>> > >>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the
> organizer of FAD
> >>> > >>>>> Lima 2017.
> >>> > >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru
> representative.
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>> Regards,
> >>> > >>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
> >>> > >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for
> Cusco is
> >>> > >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend
> evaluate the
> >>> > >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the
> airfares can be
> >>> > >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> expensive than
> >>> > >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get
> the prices to
> >>> > >>>>>> do this evaluation.
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one
> representative by
> >>> > >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active
> ambassador. I
> >>> > >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active
> ambassador, organized
> >>> > >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can
> participate like
> >>> > >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> Regards
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02,
> Anthony Mogrovejo
> >>> > >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> -1
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m.,
> "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>> escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>> > >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex
> just gave me
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> > >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already
> arranged, including
> >>> > >>>>>>> topics and costs.
> >>> > >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to
> arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>> > >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on
> July?
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>> > >>>>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> >>> > >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to
> clarify some things.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's
> true that these activities
> >>> > >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component
> (talks or workshops) but in
> >>> > >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part
> of talks to interact
> >>> > >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second
> purpose is to have the
> >>> > >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean
> or academic
> >>> > >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap
> venue for the ambassadors
> >>> > >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the
> other activities that
> >>> > >>>>>>>> are important.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s)
> 15:06, Brian Exelbierd
> >>> > >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM,
> alejandro perez wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a
> promotion event. There has
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets
> where requested and deny
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> because they contain some
> promotional event or time. That
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you
> understand the limitation on
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide
> if the event will be
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is
> to consider the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional
> event.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this
> history, but wearing my council
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a
> promotion component would lead to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand
> how this compent was
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or
> the city. I'd want to know
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if
> appropriate. I'd want to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or
> prepared for to ensure
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would
> be that it be clear this
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the
> rest of the FAD from
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging
> workshops or translation
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people
> that are already familiar
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become
> contributors.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD
> proposal, specially if
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for
> that.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03
> -0500
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*:
> [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%
> >>> 3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%
> >>> 3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hi Alejandro
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please
> correct me in case I am
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in
> Lima a place with
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good
> Internet connection, searching
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at
> least 7 ambassadors from
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is
> invited yet).
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose
> of the meeting: to state
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in
> order to have a better
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of
> the event (two hours
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you
> know I do per year at
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote
> Fedora and still people
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage
> of knowledge about Linux.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go
> everywhere all the time to do
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need
> to work), I did a free
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to
> everyone in Backtrackacademy.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> [01]
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could
> be great if I have the honour to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima
> (Ambassadors with expertise in
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event
> day with all of you as
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can
> teach my local people to do
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging,
> translations, wiki
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other
> activities.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for
> the first two hours (for
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in
> Lima who is intersted in
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me,
> if this activity is so
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies
> is a challenge in case
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other
> technician issue that I
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still
> in my head) we can do
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up
> (with a better view from
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and
> plans to have a better
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> community.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you
> online in my events but it is
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face
> training or talk to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense,
> I will always appreciate
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is
> always available
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online
> talk to my people in Lima.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still
> want me to do that event
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to
> present a formal plan to the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> authorities.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM,
> alejandro perez <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Julita,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is
> dedicated to Fedora
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested
> parties) , to get together and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a
> promotional event, because of
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close
> meeting, event do out
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a
> massive event with
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> talks.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56
> -0500
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*:
> [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%
> >>> 3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hello Brian and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private
> university and because all
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some
> contacts.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at
> USIL to get a coliseum,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a
> plan to follow since
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora
> workshops.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around
> for hotels and food.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days
> to do it :)
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM,
> Brian Exelbierd
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM,
> Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion
> about this in the Spanish
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this
> idea is close to happen.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a
> specific place so anywhere
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is
> great.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I
> don't follow the Spanish
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK
> :)
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Br,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex
> Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I
> requested someone to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or
> outside Peru to get a
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the
> logistic, auditorium, hotel,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place
> but I will to wait
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I
> can talk with
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially
> with bernardoha) I think
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The
> costs will decrease in at
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person.
> Regards.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s)
> 09:59, Brian Exelbierd
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM,
> Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know,
> I was working on a
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an
> organizational FAD in Cusco City,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some
> people as robyduck and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the
> council giving a relative
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal
> needs some improvements
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to
> establish the clear
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> objectives.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco
> regarding the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and
> related topics.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it
> can be reviewed at the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> following link:
> https://fedoraproject.org/
> >>> wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to
> solve several problems
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary,
> strategic and logistical so
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and
> effective.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I
> considered an ambassador for each
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or
> influential in their
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can
> replicate (transmit) the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other
> collaborators of their countries.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country
> consider that they can
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we
> can change their
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for
> the month of June but
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to
> attend the FAD and decided to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13,
> 14 and 15) because in
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with
> the ambassadors of Peru
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco
> as the venue, if there
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the
> place (inside or
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested
> people must commit to get
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings,
> talks and accomodation.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe
> Itamar suggested in the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a
> different city might result
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for
> airfare).  I think Lima was
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have
> someone who is willing
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever city we
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for
> someone to stand up and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the
> money reasonably.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated
> and I hope there will be
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about
> this.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can
> be improved in all its
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request
> support to improve it and to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can
> improve and grow the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> community. *
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
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FAD proposal improvement request

[Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis]

I created this ticket https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/407
We can discuss the proposal this saturday :-)

El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 22:09, Eduardo Javier Echeverria
Alvarado <echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  Thanks for changing the name of the event to be more adapted to the
> event
>  goal, please create a ticket (if does not exists) for discussing the topic
>  in the Saturday's meeting,
>
>  El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 22:02, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>  alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>
> > Good evening everyone, to avoid the problem of cities where you can carry
> > out the FAD I created a new wiki page at the following URL
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Latam_2017 . I added the cheaper
> > costs of Julita and the costs of Cusco to have everything together.
> >
> > I changed to chilean representative to Eduard Lucena (X3mboy:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:X3mboy) because he is very active
> > and works in many groups in the community.
> >
> > Finally I will update the goals and the agenda tomorrow, I hope to get
> > positive feedback in the saturday meeting.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> >
> > Alex Oviedo
> >
> > El jue., 1 de jun. de 2017 a la(s) 21:34, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > escribió:
> >
> >> OK Neville!
> >> I sent in the proposal the costs to airport - PUCP, hotels, taxis and
> >> menus.
> >> Please tell me what else is needed.
> >> It is OK for me ;)
> >> Julita
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Neville Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Julita
> >>>
> >>> I love the energy that you show toward Fedora Project. I can relate to
> >>> your position as a power user (but you know much than me), there are
> >>> areas that require further specialization to be a collaborator. Like to
> >>> be a packager it is need to know several things beside be good at a
> >>> programming language. things like git, specs, licenses and also the
> >>> procedures within the project. I have been there helping you with
> >>> whatever I can. But this time I feel that you are pushing your event
> >>> under the name of FAD and you are not paying attention to the fact that
> >>> FADs are to solve a problem witin Fedora. Several people have mentioned
> >>> that FAD are not public events. So, please help us a bit. You can do
> >>> both things but not at the same time. You can make a FAD and you can
> >>> make a public event, but you can not have both at the same time.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Neville
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 30 May 2017 16:58:32 -0500
> >>> yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >  Hello,
> >>> >
> >>> > Anytime I propose a new event or idea for Fedora, I get a -1 on
> >>> > Saturday meetings all the time, because Alex always asks for a wiki.
> >>> >
> >>> > For this FAD in Peru I was not included at all since the very
> >>> > beginning, so I though that preparing a proposal for Lima was a
> >>> > different project because Cusco was so expensive.
> >>> >
> >>> > I belong Fedora since 2012, I only attended two Ambassador events,
> >>> > Fudcon Cusco 2013 and Fudcon Puno 2016 and I did not see real
> >>> > contribution of people to the project during these events.
> >>> > In both events, we had Ambassadors with strong expertise and lot of
> >>> > interested people that would have lead workshops (in my point of
> >>> > view) to train ourselves or propose better ways to work.
> >>> >
> >>> > What I do in my events are installations and user interaction with
> >>> > Fedora such as using the terminal to run basic admin commands.
> >>> >
> >>> > I dared to express my wish in the FAD Lima 2017 proposal for training
> >>> > people one day because I have young enthusiastic students engaged with
> >>> > Linux in Lima that I can not mentor in a proper way since I did not
> >>> > do a real contribution to the Fedora project.  I need the help of you
> >>> > LATAM, and with the experience, I can later start the Fedora Lima
> >>> > Challenge (in case you approve it).
> >>> > My local team is aware of this FAD Lima 2017 proposal because I do not
> >>> > things alone.
> >>> >
> >>> > Besides sending options that include the users focus day,  I did sent
> >>> > other there more options without them, that you might take.
> >>> > In case you want to remove my proposal wiki, is up to you too.
> >>> > In case you still need a place for FAD in Lima or wherever is going
> >>> > to be, you have my support.
> >>> >
> >>> > Communication is very important in communities and more since we have
> >>> > different cultures. As GNU/Linux leader in Lima, I want to do positive
> >>> > things, please do not misunderstood my disclaim.
> >>> >
> >>> > Best regards,
> >>> > Julita
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado
> <
> >>> > echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >>> > > < alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put
> these into
> >>> > >> the proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should
> create a
> >>> > >> new page.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have
> >>> > > to do. Learn to don't say "I" and say more
> "We" it's a good
> >>> > > exercise even if you are the only person of a team, this does
> >>> > > people feeling involved.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking
> for
> >>> > >> improve and grow the community, since I showed it to the
> council
> >>> > >> and famsco I am looking for a consensus between the ambassadors
> to
> >>> > >> improve the objectives and agenda but it seems that you intend
> to
> >>> > >> impose your criteria creating a new page without asking to
> others
> >>> > >> changing the schedule and other aspects as justification,
> purpose,
> >>> > >> goals, etc.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people,
> >>> > > not people attracting attention.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for
> >>> > >> this FAD is work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions,
> I
> >>> > >> put few talks to help to get free venue within universities or
> >>> > >> other places but no as users centric event.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same
> >>> > > that Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some
> >>> > > universities explaining how it works Fedora community and why is
> >>> > > interesting belonging it. but please avoid become it in the main
> >>> > > goal of the event -
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo
> <
> >>> > >> tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>> +1@echevemaster
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria
> Alvarado"
> >>> > >>> < echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes
> >>> > >>> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> Hello LATAM and bex:
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two
> private
> >>> > >>>> universities in Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Thanks for that.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I
> think the
> >>> > >>>> best possibility is PUCP.
> >>> > >>>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and
> also a
> >>> > >>>> public event to train new possible contributors in
> Lima
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we
> don't
> >>> > >>> will have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora
> related
> >>> > >>> tasks and offer solutions, so, please don't invite
> people outside
> >>> > >>> to the FAD. We need be focused.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also
> present 3
> >>> > >>>> more options because I know that I have to reduce
> prices for FAD.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> > >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >>> > >>> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> >>> > >>> misunderstandings
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it
> better to
> >>> > >>>> everyone.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD
> organisers
> >>> > >>> along with
> >>> > >>>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just
> join efforts
> >>> > >>>> and keep the communication to be on the same page.
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>> Thanks,
> >>> > >>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>>
> >>> > >>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes
> <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >>> > >>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the
> organizer of FAD
> >>> > >>>>> Lima 2017.
> >>> > >>>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru
> representative.
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>> Regards,
> >>> > >>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo
> Solis <
> >>> > >>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for
> Cusco is
> >>> > >>>>>> expensive, the council and famsco recomend
> evaluate the
> >>> > >>>>>> posibility to change the place to Lima (the
> airfares can be
> >>> > >>>>>> cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
> expensive than
> >>> > >>>>>> Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get
> the prices to
> >>> > >>>>>> do this evaluation.
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> About your second question, We need a one
> representative by
> >>> > >>>>>> country, specially an influential and active
> ambassador. I
> >>> > >>>>>> choosed to Tonet because he is an active
> ambassador, organized
> >>> > >>>>>> a FUDCon and has more badges in Peru. You can
> participate like
> >>> > >>>>>> observer, I will participate as helper only.
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> Regards
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02,
> Anthony Mogrovejo
> >>> > >>>>>> < tony001983(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> -1
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m.,
> "yrazes" <yrazes(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>> escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
> >>> > >>>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex
> just gave me
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> > >>>>>>> It seems that everything is already
> arranged, including
> >>> > >>>>>>> topics and costs.
> >>> > >>>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to
> arrange a FAD in USIL.
> >>> > >>>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on
> July?
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>> > >>>>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel
> Oviedo Solis <
> >>> > >>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to
> clarify some things.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's
> true that these activities
> >>> > >>>>>>>> hasn't a promotional component
> (talks or workshops) but in
> >>> > >>>>>>>> this proposal I included a small part
> of talks to interact
> >>> > >>>>>>>> with users and students. The second
> purpose is to have the
> >>> > >>>>>>>> possibility of negotiations with a dean
> or academic
> >>> > >>>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap
> venue for the ambassadors
> >>> > >>>>>>>> work and talks to users.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the
> other activities that
> >>> > >>>>>>>> are important.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s)
> 15:06, Brian Exelbierd
> >>> > >>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM,
> alejandro perez wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a
> promotion event. There has
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> been two times where FAD budgets
> where requested and deny
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> because they contain some
> promotional event or time. That
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> is why I want to make sure you
> understand the limitation on
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> FAD. It is not up to me to decide
> if the event will be
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is
> to consider the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> possibility of no promotional
> event.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I don't don't know this
> history, but wearing my council
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> hat, I can't see why a
> promotion component would lead to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> automatic denial.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand
> how this compent was
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> good for LATAM or the country or
> the city. I'd want to know
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> how it ties to the mission, if
> appropriate. I'd want to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> know how it will be followed up or
> prepared for to ensure
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> positive impact.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would
> be that it be clear this
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the
> rest of the FAD from
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> accomplishing its goals.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging
> workshops or translation
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> sprint (as example) with people
> that are already familiar
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> with Fedora and want to become
> contributors.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD
> proposal, specially if
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> you have some people prepare for
> that.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03
> -0500
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*:
> [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <embajadores-fedor
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> %3e>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> %3e>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hi Alejandro
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please
> correct me in case I am
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> wrong), is that I could arrange in
> Lima a place with
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> facilities as labs with good
> Internet connection, searching
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> hotels and restaurants  for at
> least 7 ambassadors from
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> LATAM (I do not know exactly who is
> invited yet).
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose
> of the meeting: to state
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> some procedures face to face in
> order to have a better
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora community.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of
> the event (two hours
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> for the first day) because as you
> know I do per year at
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> least five or six events to promote
> Fedora and still people
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> in Lima, we have a low percentage
> of knowledge about Linux.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> And, because I can not go
> everywhere all the time to do
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> more workshops (because I also need
> to work), I did a free
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> online tutorial of Fedora to
> everyone in Backtrackacademy.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> [01]
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I "though" that it could
> be great if I have the honour to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> have all of you in Lima
> (Ambassadors with expertise in
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Fedora) I could do one public event
> day with all of you as
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> speakers and trainers that can
> teach my local people to do
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> real contributions as packaging,
> translations, wiki
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> manteiners, among other
> activities.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for
> the first two hours (for
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> install activities to everyone in
> Lima who is intersted in
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> having Fedora). Please believe me,
> if this activity is so
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> simple for most of us, for newbies
> is a challenge in case
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> they have Wifi problems and other
> technician issue that I
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> know can happen.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still
> in my head) we can do
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> more private meetings to set up
> (with a better view from
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> the previous day) the actions and
> plans to have a better
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> community.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I know that before I have you
> online in my events but it is
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> not the same to have a face to face
> training or talk to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> somebody in person. In this sense,
> I will always appreciate
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> the labor of Neville, because he is
> always available
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> anytime to response with a online
> talk to my people in Lima.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still
> want me to do that event
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> in USIL, Lima, Peru in July to
> present a formal plan to the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> authorities.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>  [01]
> http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM,
> alejandro perez <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Julita,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is
> dedicated to Fedora
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Contributors (or interested
> parties) , to get together and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> produce some results, not a
> promotional event, because of
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> that it will be some sort of close
> meeting, event do out
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> side people are welcome cannot be a
> massive event with
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> talks.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56
> -0500
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Asunto*:
> [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> improvement request
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> <
> >>>
> Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
> >>> %3e>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> >
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora
> Ambassadors <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> <yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e&gt;&gt; Hello Brian and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors!
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private
> university and because all
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some
> contacts.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at
> USIL to get a coliseum,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> labs and auditorium.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> loyola-campus-la-molina
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a
> plan to follow since
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> installation until Fedora
> workshops.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around
> for hotels and food.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days
> to do it :)
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Julita
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM,
> Brian Exelbierd
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> <bex(a)pobox.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM,
> Eduard Lucena wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion
> about this in the Spanish
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> version of this email. I think this
> idea is close to happen.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a
> specific place so anywhere
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> appropriate and easy to fly to is
> great.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I
> don't follow the Spanish
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> discussions :). This is also A-OK
> :)
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Br,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex
> Irmel Oviedo Solis <
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I
> requested someone to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> propose another place inside or
> outside Peru to get a
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> suitable venue (and assume the
> logistic, auditorium, hotel,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> etc), but anybody propose any place
> but I will to wait
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> until tomorrow night.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I
> can talk with
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> ambassadors from Lima (specially
> with bernardoha) I think
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> he can get a suitable place. The
> costs will decrease in at
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> least 60 dollars by person.
> Regards.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s)
> 09:59, Brian Exelbierd
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> < bex(a)pobox.com&gt; escribió:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM,
> Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know,
> I was working on a
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> proposal to carry out an
> organizational FAD in Cusco City,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> this proposal was reviewed by some
> people as robyduck and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex then was presented to the
> council giving a relative
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> positive result, but the proposal
> needs some improvements
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to
> establish the clear
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> objectives.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco
> regarding the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> organization of ambassadors and
> related topics.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it
> can be reviewed at the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> following link:
> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to
> solve several problems
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> like organizative, budgetary,
> strategic and logistical so
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> help us to be more efficient and
> effective.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> About the participants, I
> considered an ambassador for each
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> country that is active and / or
> influential in their
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> country, so that she/he can
> replicate (transmit) the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> agreements of the other
> collaborators of their countries.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> If the ambassadors of some country
> consider that they can
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> be represented by another person we
> can change their
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> representative :-)
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for
> the month of June but
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> not bex hasn't free time to
> attend the FAD and decided to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> change for the month of July (13,
> 14 and 15) because in
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> those days bex has time.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with
> the ambassadors of Peru
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> about the place and we chosen Cusco
> as the venue, if there
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> is any other proposal to change the
> place (inside or
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> outside of Peru) the interested
> people must commit to get
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> an suitable place to the meetings,
> talks and accomodation.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe
> Itamar suggested in the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> FAmSCo meeting that choosing a
> different city might result
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> in lower costs (especially for
> airfare).  I think Lima was
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> suggested.  I agree we need to have
> someone who is willing
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> to own finding the place to meet in
> whatever city we
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> choose.  I second the call for
> someone to stand up and
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> champion this if we can save the
> money reasonably.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated
> and I hope there will be
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> good conversation in LATAM about
> this.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> regards,
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> bex
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can
> be improved in all its
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> aspects, therefore I request
> support to improve it and to
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> have it approved so that we can
> improve and grow the
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> community. *
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > >>>>>>>>>
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