[12:00] <stahnma> ping dgilmore, Jeff_S, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik, quaid [12:00] * Jeff_S here [12:00] <Jeff_S> hi [12:00] * nirik is only going to be around for the first few minutes... have another meeting I have to go off to. ;( [12:00] <stahnma> ok [12:00] <stahnma> any topics, you need to ring on nirik? [12:00] <stahnma> anyone else around? [12:01] * dgilmore is here [12:01] <nirik> lets see... let me look at the schedule. [12:02] <stahnma> We'll give people another minute or so, and then get started [12:02] <nirik> would like to see the spam-o-matic active if it isn't already. We need those broken deps fixed... [12:02] --> mdomsch has joined this channel (n=Matt_Dom@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com). [12:02] <stahnma> agreed, but it seems much/all of the issues stem from lack of packges [12:03] <nirik> yeah. [12:04] *** You set the channel topic to "EPEL Meeting - broken Deps - Jeff_S". [12:04] <stahnma> Jeff_S: not sure how your name alone got assigned to this, but any updates? [12:04] <Jeff_S> see my email I just sent out - there are still lots of missing deps [12:05] <Jeff_S> I agree with knurd that we should perhaps move them to testing next week if we still don't have a response from the maintainers [12:05] <stahnma> I saw that, do we have any plans for a solution? [12:05] <dgilmore> quaid is likely not around [12:05] <stahnma> ok, mmcgrath is also MIA [12:05] * quaid is here, sorry [12:05] <Jeff_S> if we can run the spammy script at least once more this week, that might help bug people enough to fix things [12:06] <stahnma> is it people fixing their own dependencies though, or is dependencies between other packages? [12:06] <dgilmore> mmcgrath: can you send out a summary of what be broke [12:06] <Jeff_S> but I don't think we should sit around waiting for everything to get fixed, as it may never happen [12:06] <stahnma> Only a week to add/branch/build a lot of packages seems pretty quick [12:06] <mmcgrath> pong [12:06] <mmcgrath> sorry [12:06] <mmcgrath> Sure [12:06] <Jeff_S> stahnma: it seems to me it is missing other people's packages [12:06] <mmcgrath> let me do a run right now (it takes a bit) [12:06] <stahnma> that was the impression I got also [12:06] <nirik> I've found that if you mail maintainers direct with a solution, most of them will do something... I can try and do that some in the next few days. [12:07] <Jeff_S> ie. people may need to step up and co-maintain for epel to get their needed deps [12:07] <nirik> there is some movement to fix bugzilla... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248765 [12:07] * dgilmore wonders if mmcgrath will take fping :) or should j-rod [12:08] <Jeff_S> dgilmore: here's my list against centos: http://www.sheltren.com/epel/repoclosure/2007-07-18/ [12:08] * nirik packs up to head out. Sorry I got double meeting booked. Feel free to email me or catch me later if there is anything specific folks would like me to help with. [12:08] <stahnma> should we send an update out to the list once again, asking them to branch/update status? I feel like we have done this a number of times already [12:08] <stahnma> bye nirik [12:09] <Jeff_S> stahnma: yes, we have done that already [12:09] --> _blah_ has joined this channel (i=rob@216.115.88.10). [12:09] <stahnma> ok, well maybe we talk about the testing solution then [12:10] <dgilmore> i though i had blacklisted nagios from being multilib [12:10] <Jeff_S> I think we need to either do that or drop the broken packages [12:10] <stahnma> dgilmore: what's the feasability of quarentining packages with broken deps? [12:11] <dgilmore> stahnma: its manual process [12:11] <mmcgrath> hmm [12:11] <dgilmore> i.e. move them out of the tree [12:13] <stahnma> so tha't s quite painful? [12:15] <stahnma> any proposed solution? [12:15] <stahnma> should we bring it up on list again? I really don't understand the effort required from infrastructure side to remove broken dep packages. [12:15] <Jeff_S> knurd volunteered to do the work on that if needed [12:16] <stahnma> that's a plus :) [12:16] <stahnma> ok, next topic? [12:16] <Jeff_S> well, can we all agree that something needs to get done before announce? [12:16] <stahnma> +1 [12:16] <Jeff_S> we can discuss specifics on the list [12:17] <Jeff_S> is everyone gone? :) [12:17] <mmcgrath> should I enable a weekly run of the spam script? [12:17] * mmcgrath is running one right now with --nomail to get a list of whats borked. [12:17] <Jeff_S> mmcgrath: I think that would be nice [12:17] *** You set the channel topic to "EPEL Meeting - spam o magic script - mmcgrath". [12:18] <_blah_> weekly? how about daily? :) [12:18] <stahnma> I vote once the kinks are worked out, we enable it [12:18] <Jeff_S> mmcgrath: is it easy to change the script to point to testing/ once we start using that directory? [12:19] <mmcgrath> stahnma: I think the kinks are mostly worked out, Once this thing finishes I'll send it to paste bin (or the list if it takes too long) [12:20] <dgilmore> mmcgrath: id like to see a weekly run [12:20] <Jeff_S> +1 [12:21] <mmcgrath> Jeff_S: yes, it should be pretty easy. [12:22] <Jeff_S> great [12:22] <stahnma> ok [12:22] <stahnma> /topic EPEL Meeting – branch for EPEL if Fedora maintainer does not [12:22] <stahnma> react – knurd [12:22] <stahnma> friggen [12:22] <Jeff_S> :) [12:22] *** You set the channel topic to "EPEL Meeting - branch for EPEL if Fedora Maintainer does not react". [12:23] <stahnma> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/GuidelinesAndPolicies#head-00c9e731bb7bc5... [12:23] <stahnma> This is what the List has put together [12:23] <stahnma> do we like it? [12:23] <stahnma> I think knurd wanted to ratify it [12:23] <stahnma> I think it serves it's purpose [12:23] <Jeff_S> works for me [12:24] * stahnma looks around and wonders if anyone else will speak up [12:24] * mmcgrath notes - http://pastebin.ca/624953 <--- spam-o-epel script run on RHEL4 tree [12:24] <_blah_> it isn't what is on the list [12:25] <Jeff_S> https://www.redhat.com/archives/epel-devel-list/2007-July/msg00104.html <-- is that what should be in the wiki? [12:26] <Jeff_S> it looks good to me [12:26] <_blah_> jeff_s: yes, that is the latest from the list. [12:27] * stahnma has the wrong URL? :) [12:27] * stahnma will update the wiki [12:28] <stahnma> with the text from list [12:28] <stahnma> assuming we agree it says the right thing [12:28] <_blah_> stahnma: thanks. that is what needs to be done. [12:28] <Jeff_S> +1 [12:28] <_blah_> i don't get a vote but +1 :) [12:29] <stahnma> any thoughts quaid mmcgrath dgilmore? [12:29] * quaid reads [12:30] <quaid> I'm remiss in finishing the edit oon Guidelines... but it's all language, not details [12:30] <quaid> details seemed fine with me [12:30] <stahnma> ok [12:30] <Jeff_S> sorry, but I need to go! [12:30] <stahnma> ok [12:30] <stahnma> hmm [12:30] <stahnma> we're reaching a very small number here [12:30] <Jeff_S> I think we need knurd to discuss the meeting time anyway [12:31] * stahnma would like to talk about meeting times, but not enough people here.... [12:31] <dgilmore> i dont think we have enough people to make a descison [12:31] <stahnma> (must be a bad time to have a meeting ) [12:31] * stahnma hints [12:31] <Jeff_S> ;) [12:31] <stahnma> mmcgrath: spam-o-matic output looks good [12:31] <Jeff_S> usually this is good, but I've got a lot of stuff that just came up... [12:31] <stahnma> ok, I will move to general discussion and we'll postpone the rest [12:31] <dgilmore> We need to have things branched that are needed [12:32] *** You set the channel topic to "EPEL - general discussion". [12:32] <mmcgrath> stahnma: I expect epel5 to be finished running in a bit [12:32] <stahnma> so dgilmore, are the cvs admins behind on branching, or is it a lack of requests? [12:33] <dgilmore> nirik: has been branching like crazy [12:33] <dgilmore> its a lack of requests [12:33] <stahnma> ok [12:33] <stahnma> that's what I thought [12:34] <stahnma> any thoughts on the RHEL5 server vs RHEL5 client stuff? [12:34] <stahnma> other than, it's a headache [12:36] [470] #php ##php Forwarding to another channel [12:36] [Notice] -ChanServ- [##php] "Welcome to ##php - Help and Discussion; PHP Social channel is at #phpc" [12:37] <dgilmore> no freaking idea [12:37] <dgilmore> we need to find out what Red Hat support will find acceptable [12:37] * mmcgrath shakes head and sighs. [12:37] <dgilmore> which will probably require the skills of quaid [12:37] <mmcgrath> dgilmore: thats probably the best route. [12:38] <dgilmore> before we even think of something we need to make sure its ok [12:38] <_blah_> mmcgrath: odd i tried to diff your spam-o-epel output from mine, and the packages are slightly out of order making the diff pointless. in general they look very similar. [12:39] <mmcgrath> _blah_: thats always fun. I suppose you could sort the output of each first. [12:40] <quaid> dgilmore: sounds like we should stay away from packaging stuff in RHX for now [12:40] <quaid> give them some room to work things out [12:40] <_blah_> riek seems responsive to getting usable RHEL5 Server / Client divides. [12:40] <dgilmore> quaid: possibly yeah [12:41] <dgilmore> quaid: i still want zimbra packaged in a sane fashion [12:41] * stahnma thinks if we can fix Client/Server that would be a great start. RHX can wait a little while...at least official RHX in EPEL [12:41] <dgilmore> and a syncml plugin so i can sync my laptop/desktops/crackberry [12:42] <quaid> dgilmore: let's talk with dhuff about helping him help the ISVs? [12:42] <dgilmore> quaid: sounds good [12:42] --> JSchmitt has joined this channel (n=s4504kr@p54B12D6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de). [12:42] * rdieter sits in the back, shares popcorn with knurd_afk [12:43] * dgilmore puts rdieter to work :) [12:43] <stahnma> anything else? [12:44] <_blah_> stahnma: +1 [12:44] <stahnma> _blah_: ? [12:45] <_blah_> stahnma: RHX can wait. fix Client/Server now. [12:45] <stahnma> oh, I see [12:45] <stahnma> :) [12:45] <stahnma> planning to end meeting now...unless anyone has somethign else to bring up [12:46] <stahnma> next week will include meeting times and revisit of deps [12:46] <stahnma> END in 30 [12:46] * frozty_sa wants to speak to stahnma after meeting has ended [12:46] <stahnma> END in 15 [12:46] <stahnma> frozty_sa: ok [12:47] <stahnma> END MEETING