On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 at 14:34, Troy Dawson <tdawson@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 8:50 AM Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@redhat.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 17:08, Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@redhat.com> wrote:

When EPEL-8 was launched, it came with some support for modules with the hope that a module ecosystem could be built from Fedora packages using RHEL modules as an underlying tool. This has never happened and we have ended up with a muddle of modular packages which will 'build' but may not install or even run on an EL-8 system. Attempts to fix this and work within how EPEL is normally built have been tried for several years by different people but have not worked.

At this point it is time to say this experiment with modules in EPEL has not worked and focus resources on what does work. I would like to propose that modular support is removed from EPEL by January 2023. 

1. Approval of this proposal by the EPEL Steering committee and any other ones required.
2. Announcement of end of life to various lists.
3. Archiving of the modules on XYZ date to /pub/archive/epel/8.YYYY-MM/Modular and pointing mirrormanager to that for that
4. Make changes in bodhi to turn off reporting about modules for EL8.
5. Make changes in MBS configs to turn off building modules for EL8.
6. Make changes in PDC for EL8 modules
7. Make changes in compose scripts and tools to no longer cover EPEL-8 modules
8. Remove epel-8 modules from /pub/epel/8
9. Announce closure of this proposal and any lessons learned.

Due to the year end freezes that many Enterprise consumers are starting, I would like to propose the change to the timeline 

2b. Make changes to epel-release so that EPEL modular is no longer turned on by default with README.
2c. Document configuration changes that would be needed for sites mirroring using Enterprise patch management systems.
3a. Start regular Archiving of the modules on XYZ date to /pub/archive/epel/8
3b. and pointing mirrormanager to that for that

We can do steps up to 3a. and then start on 3b and other items after February 1st 2023.

Just letting people know, adjusting the timeline of the modularity will be first thing on the agenda in this weeks EPEL Steering Committee meeting.
If we are going to extend the cut off date, we need to decide that fast.  If we are not, I need to get the word out broader than I have.

I personally think we should extend it to sometime in February.  Maybe February 15th.  Middle of a month on a wednesday.

I agree. On a lot of reflection and some 'what the hell were you thinking?', that is the earliest I can see this not breaking our enterprise customers.

Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
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