DNF replacement in EL 9?

[Richard Shaw]

I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using
yum instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the
development team but the response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...

Did I miss something?

Thanks,
Richard

[Neal Gompa]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum instead of
> dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the response was
> that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
>
>  Did I miss something?
>  
RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM
powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum"
instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink
to
"dnf").


-- 
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

[Josh Boyer]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:56 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum
> instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the
> response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
>  >
>  > Did I miss something? 
dnf is not going away.  It remains the package management solution for
RHEL 8 and RHEL 9.  You can find a version for RHEL 7 in the Extras
channel.

>  RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call
> it "YUM
>  powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum"
>  instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink
> to
>  "dnf"). 
That's not an accurate representation.  From the 9 Beta release notes:

"3.4. Package management with YUM/DNF

Throughout this document, YUM and DNF can be used interchangeably.

In Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9, software installation is ensured by
DNF. Red Hat continues to support the usage of the yum term for
consistency with previous major versions of RHEL. If you type dnf
instead of yum, the command works as expected because both are aliases
for compatibility.

Although RHEL 8 and RHEL 9 are based on DNF, they are compatible with
YUM used in RHEL 7."

Further RHEL 9 documentation will center around the 'dnf' moniker,
eventually transitioning away from yum.

josh

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 01:43:59PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
>  Further RHEL 9 documentation will center around the 'dnf'
> moniker,
>  eventually transitioning away from yum. 
Thus completing my long, slow loss of this argument. :)

Oh well! dnf it is!

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 12:57, Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum
> instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the
> response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
>  >
>  > Did I miss something?
>  >
>
>  RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM
>  powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum"
>  instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink
> to
>  "dnf"). 
I am going to call that an inaccurate and misleading statement which I
have corrected you once before on. The product folk really really
wanted to call it dnf in the run up and to remove yum name in EL8 and
they would have loved to do so in EL9. The main issue is that the
majority of the customer base for Enterprise Linux are on the Late
Majority and later group who complained a lot about the fact that they
had just finished changing all their documentation from up2date to yum
and were not happy about doing it for a tool which used the same
command arguments as 'yum'. These are companies which move large
numbers of systems across multiple releases and want a consolidated
documentation for all the 'supported' releases. As such, yum is
probably going to be around for decades even if RHEL moved to .deb
packages.


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen.
Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard
battle. -- Ian MacClaren

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 14:32, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 12:57, Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum
> instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the
> response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
>  > >
>  > > Did I miss something?
>  > >
>  >
>  > RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM
>  > powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses
> "yum"
>  > instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a
> symlink to
>  > "dnf").
>
>  I am going to call that an inaccurate and misleading statement which I
>  have corrected you once before on. The product folk really really 
And I am going to call myself out for using language that should not
have been typed in the first place. I have pointed out in the past
that it was customer feedback which kept yum, but I should not have
been as grumpy or vindictive in my phrasing. My apologies and I need
to do better.

>  --
>  Stephen J Smoogen.
>  Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard
>  battle. -- Ian MacClaren 


-- 
Stephen J Smoogen.
Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard
battle. -- Ian MacClaren