EPEL RHEL 7 Workstation optional channel in Fedora's Koji

[Simone Caronni]

Hello,

I was looking to build a package on epel7 that is relying on jansson-devel.

The -devel subpackage is generated as normally from the main jansson
package, but in case of epel7 the resulting rpm is included in the
Workstation-optional channel:

http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/rc/7/Workstation-optional/x86_64/os/Pac...

Have these packages being left out intentionally or not?
Is there any chance to see these packages added in Koji? Otherwise building
for epel7 can get really complicated.

Thanks & regards,
--Simone


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[Dan Horák]

On Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:59:48 +0200
Simone Caronni <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hello,
>  
>  I was looking to build a package on epel7 that is relying on
>  jansson-devel.
>  
>  The -devel subpackage is generated as normally from the main jansson
>  package, but in case of epel7 the resulting rpm is included in the
>  Workstation-optional channel:
>  
>  http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/rc/7/Workstation-optional/x86_64/os/Pac...
>  
>  Have these packages being left out intentionally or not?
>  Is there any chance to see these packages added in Koji? Otherwise
>  building for epel7 can get really complicated. 
EPEL builds against the Server + Server-optional variant of RHEL -
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taginfo?tagID=258


		Dan

[Simone Caronni]

On 2 June 2014 11:04, Dan Horák <dan(a)danny.cz&gt; wrote:

>  EPEL builds against the Server + Server-optional variant of RHEL -
>  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taginfo?tagID=258
>  
Is this the final "setup" of EPEL for RHEL 7 that will be available for all
the time the distribution is supported by Redhat?

Thanks,
--Simone

-- 
You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of
the shore (R. W. Emerson).

http://xkcd.com/229/
http://negativo17.org/

[Simone Caronni]

On 2 June 2014 11:09, Simone Caronni <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 2 June 2014 11:04, Dan Horák <dan(a)danny.cz&gt; wrote:
>
> > EPEL builds against the Server + Server-optional variant of RHEL -
> > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taginfo?tagID=258
> >
>
>  Is this the final "setup" of EPEL for RHEL 7 that will be available for
>  all the time the distribution is supported by Redhat?
>  
It is quite strange actually. Normally, if a package is not included in the
base distribution, we can add it. If it is already included we never
replace the upstream package.

By using only server and server-optional we have the weird case where only
half of the package can be used. Jansson specific, I cannot add jansson to
epel because it is already included, but I cannot use it because the
jansson-devel is omitted and only half of the resulting binary rpms are
used.

I hope this gets reviewed in the future.

--Simone



-- 
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the shore (R. W. Emerson).

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[Till Maas]

On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:14:52AM +0200, Simone Caronni wrote:

>  It is quite strange actually. Normally, if a package is not included
> in the
>  base distribution, we can add it. If it is already included we never
>  replace the upstream package.
>  
>  By using only server and server-optional we have the weird case where only
>  half of the package can be used. Jansson specific, I cannot add jansson to
>  epel because it is already included, but I cannot use it because the
>  jansson-devel is omitted and only half of the resulting binary rpms are
>  used.
>
>  I hope this gets reviewed in the future. 
You can propose to do something like this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages

Regards
Till

[T.C. Hollingsworth]

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:59 AM, Simone Caronni <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hello,
>
>  I was looking to build a package on epel7 that is relying on jansson-devel.
>
>  The -devel subpackage is generated as normally from the main jansson
>  package, but in case of epel7 the resulting rpm is included in the
>  Workstation-optional channel:
>
>  http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/rc/7/Workstation-optional/x86_64/os/Pac...
>
>  Have these packages being left out intentionally or not?
>  Is there any chance to see these packages added in Koji? Otherwise building
>  for epel7 can get really complicated. 
I'd suggest filing a bug in bugzilla first, explaining the pain this
causes downstream addon repositories like EPEL.  For all we know the
-devel subpackage is only missing in Server due to some oversight.

-T.C.

[Simone Caronni]

On 2 June 2014 16:46, T.C. Hollingsworth <tchollingsworth(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:59 AM, Simone Caronni
> <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > I was looking to build a package on epel7 that is relying on
>  jansson-devel.
>  >
>  > The -devel subpackage is generated as normally from the main jansson
>  > package, but in case of epel7 the resulting rpm is included in the
>  > Workstation-optional channel:
>  >
>  >
>  http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/rc/7/Workstation-optional/x86_64/os/Pac...
>  >
>  > Have these packages being left out intentionally or not?
>  > Is there any chance to see these packages added in Koji? Otherwise
>  building
>  > for epel7 can get really complicated.
>
>  I'd suggest filing a bug in bugzilla first, explaining the pain this
>  causes downstream addon repositories like EPEL.  For all we know the
>  -devel subpackage is only missing in Server due to some oversight. 

Opened this one, hope it's correct:

https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5915

Thanks & regards,
--Simone




-- 
You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of
the shore (R. W. Emerson).

http://xkcd.com/229/
http://negativo17.org/

[T.C. Hollingsworth]

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Simone Caronni <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 2 June 2014 16:46, T.C. Hollingsworth
> <tchollingsworth(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > I'd suggest filing a bug in bugzilla first, explaining the pain this
> > causes downstream addon repositories like EPEL.  For all we know the
> > -devel subpackage is only missing in Server due to some oversight.
>
>  Opened this one, hope it's correct:
>
>  https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5915 
Well actually I meant to ask RHEL release engineering to add
jansson-devel to the Server repository along with the main jansson
package.  It seems kind of silly to have the main package in Server
and the -devel package in Workstation.

You can file a bug with RHEL rel-eng here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Red%20Hat%20Enterprise%...

Of course, supporting Workstation in general would be very nice, so
your other ticket is warranted, but I think getting this particular
problem fixed on the RHEL side would still be a good idea regardless
of the outcome of that.

-T.C.

[Simone Caronni]

On 3 June 2014 11:29, T.C. Hollingsworth <tchollingsworth(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  You can file a bug with RHEL rel-eng here:
>
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Red%20Hat%20Enterprise%...
>
>  Of course, supporting Workstation in general would be very nice, so
>  your other ticket is warranted, but I think getting this particular
>  problem fixed on the RHEL side would still be a good idea regardless
>  of the outcome of that.
>  
Bug filed with an edited text from the releng one.

Regards,
--Simone

-- 
You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of
the shore (R. W. Emerson).

http://xkcd.com/229/
http://negativo17.org/

[Simone Caronni]

On 2 June 2014 16:46, T.C. Hollingsworth <tchollingsworth(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  I'd suggest filing a bug in bugzilla first, explaining the pain
> this
>  causes downstream addon repositories like EPEL.  For all we know the
>  -devel subpackage is only missing in Server due to some oversight.
>  
Apparently Redhat does not like this, the bug was quickly closed:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104099#c2



-- 
You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of
the shore (R. W. Emerson).

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http://negativo17.org/

[Dan Horák]

On Tue, 3 Jun 2014 21:29:19 +0200
Simone Caronni <negativo17(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 2 June 2014 16:46, T.C. Hollingsworth
> <tchollingsworth(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  
>  > I'd suggest filing a bug in bugzilla first, explaining the pain this
>  > causes downstream addon repositories like EPEL.  For all we know the
>  > -devel subpackage is only missing in Server due to some oversight.
>  >
>  
>  Apparently Redhat does not like this, the bug was quickly closed:
>  
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104099#c2 
I'm not sure what the real problem is, there is
http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/rc/7/Server/x86_64/os/Packages/jansson-...
and
http://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/rhel/rc/7/Server-optional/x86_64/os/Packages...
so there should not be any problem with a package in EPEL-7 depending
on jansson as EPEL uses both Server and Server-optional channels for
the buildroots. Do you have a link for the failed build?


		Dan