EPEL 7 in RHEL 8

[TG Servers]

Hi,

as RHEL 8 was released it was clear to us that due to the new
infrastructure requirements there will be some more work to do for EPEL
8 to be released.
Iirc form reading your plans it will be at least 8-10 weeks until there
will be an EPEL 8, unclear if it is really stable at that point.
Is there anything, aside from older versions, which holds one back from
using EPEL 7 for the time being with RHEL 8 in production?
We don't really need that much from EPEL directly but are using repos in
production which depend on EPEL.
Or is this considered that unsafe we have to wait until EPEL 8 is done?

Thanks!

[Kevin Fenzi]

On 5/18/19 12:58 AM, TG Servers wrote:
> Hi,
>
> as RHEL 8 was released it was clear to us that due to the new
> infrastructure requirements there will be some more work to do for EPEL
> 8 to be released.
> Iirc form reading your plans it will be at least 8-10 weeks until there
> will be an EPEL 8, unclear if it is really stable at that point.

Right.
> Is there anything, aside from older versions, which holds one back from
> using EPEL 7 for the time being with RHEL 8 in production?
> We don't really need that much from EPEL directly but are using repos in
> production which depend on EPEL.
> Or is this considered that unsafe we have to wait until EPEL 8 is done?

I don't think it would have any chance of working. The libraries in
rhel8 are completely different from rhel7. I don't think any epel7 rpms
will install, and if they do, I doubt they would work at all.

kevin

[TG Servers]

On 19 May 2019 01:58:59 Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> > Is there anything, aside from older versions, which holds one back from
> > using EPEL 7 for the time being with RHEL 8 in production?
> > We don't really need that much from EPEL directly but are using repos in
> > production which depend on EPEL.
> > Or is this considered that unsafe we have to wait until EPEL 8 is done?
>
> I don't think it would have any chance of working. The libraries in
> rhel8 are completely different from rhel7. I don't think any epel7 rpms
> will install, and if they do, I doubt they would work at all.
>
> kevin

Thanks for making that very clear. I was afraid of that. RHEL 8 is dead for 
us from that point until Epel 8 is released. More than 6 months old 
application versions in AppStream are not very helpful though. We won't 
leave RHEL/CentOS in favour of a bleeding edge distro in production as we 
love the stable core system for years now. But for some apps we simply run 
latest versions and this seems impossible without an Epel basis. AppStreams 
won't help with more often releases if they are 6-12 months behind 
upstream, if that is enough estimated at all.

Thanks Kevin. Hope everything works out in the best time possible.

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:58, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> On 5/18/19 12:58 AM, TG Servers wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > as RHEL 8 was released it was clear to us that due to the new
> > infrastructure requirements there will be some more work to do for EPEL
> > 8 to be released.
> > Iirc form reading your plans it will be at least 8-10 weeks until there
> > will be an EPEL 8, unclear if it is really stable at that point.
>
> Right.
> > Is there anything, aside from older versions, which holds one back from
> > using EPEL 7 for the time being with RHEL 8 in production?
> > We don't really need that much from EPEL directly but are using repos in
> > production which depend on EPEL.
> > Or is this considered that unsafe we have to wait until EPEL 8 is done?
>
> I don't think it would have any chance of working. The libraries in
> rhel8 are completely different from rhel7. I don't think any epel7 rpms
> will install, and if they do, I doubt they would work at all.

I tried this at one point during the beta. Yes you can get some things to
install. Very few of them worked. If you are needing applications to work
on RHEL-8, your best bet to get things to install will be Fedora-28. Many
of these packages will install without problems and mostly work. [There are
of course some ABI differences which rpm can't determine but you may find.]
> kevin
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