Recoll for EPEL ?

[Jean-Francois Dockes]

Hi,

My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.

I am the developper for Recoll, a full-text search application, which has
been packaged for Fedora for a long time.

I have a small but steady rivulet of users asking for CentOS or Enterprise
Linux Recoll packages. In consequence, there are some CentOS 7 packages on
the Recoll web site. It would be easier for the users and and for me if the
Fedora package was maintained for EPEL instead.

Any possibility that this could happen ?

Cheers,

J.F. Dockes

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 25 April 2017 at 04:28, Jean-Francois Dockes  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.

No this is as good as any. The package looks to be branched for EPEL
by pbonzini who I have cc'd on this.  [They may have branched after
you sent this email or maybe a while before.. I don't know.] So it
looks like it is in progress of occurring
> I am the developper for Recoll, a full-text search application, which has
> been packaged for Fedora for a long time.
>
> I have a small but steady rivulet of users asking for CentOS or Enterprise
> Linux Recoll packages. In consequence, there are some CentOS 7 packages on
> the Recoll web site. It would be easier for the users and and for me if the
> Fedora package was maintained for EPEL instead.
>
> Any possibility that this could happen ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> J.F. Dockes
>
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[Jean-Francois Dockes]

Stephen John Smoogen writes:
> On 25 April 2017 at 04:28, Jean-Francois Dockes  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.
>
> No this is as good as any. The package looks to be branched for EPEL
> by pbonzini who I have cc'd on this.  [They may have branched after
> you sent this email or maybe a while before.. I don't know.] So it
> looks like it is in progress of occurring

Thanks for looking at it. I think it has been this way for quite some
time. There may be progress, but very slow :)

jf

[Paolo Bonzini]

On 25/04/2017 16:03, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 25 April 2017 at 04:28, Jean-Francois Dockes  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.
>
> No this is as good as any. The package looks to be branched for EPEL
> by pbonzini who I have cc'd on this.  [They may have branched after
> you sent this email or maybe a while before.. I don't know.] So it
> looks like it is in progress of occurring

I initially packaged recoll for EPEL6 as a favor to a colleague of mine
that was using RHEL6 at the time.  I have never upgraded the package to
RHEL7, but I can do that if there is request.  I've now requested
creation of the EPEL7 branch.

Thanks,

Paolo
> > I am the developper for Recoll, a full-text search application, which has
> > been packaged for Fedora for a long time.
> >
> > I have a small but steady rivulet of users asking for CentOS or Enterprise
> > Linux Recoll packages. In consequence, there are some CentOS 7 packages on
> > the Recoll web site. It would be easier for the users and and for me if the
> > Fedora package was maintained for EPEL instead.
> >
> > Any possibility that this could happen ?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > J.F. Dockes
> >
> > epel-devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Karel Volný]

Hi,
> My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.

I cannot think of any better :-)
> I am the developper for Recoll, a full-text search application, which has
> been packaged for Fedora for a long time.
>
> I have a small but steady rivulet of users asking for CentOS or Enterprise
> Linux Recoll packages. In consequence, there are some CentOS 7 packages on
> the Recoll web site. It would be easier for the users and and for me if the
> Fedora package was maintained for EPEL instead.
>
> Any possibility that this could happen ?

I see there already exists a bug for this:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1422666

however it is assigned to the EL6 branch maintainer whom I expect to be 
buried  in other stuff (we have RHEL 7.4 around the corner ...) while the 
Fedora maintainer, who looks quite reponsive, wasn't copied ...

generally, some people maintaining packages in Fedora might be hesitant to 
take care of EPEL as they don't run RHEL/CentOS ... it might help if you 
(your community) would commit to testing/help with patching, which I 
suppose wouldn't be a problem if you already maintain own packages

also, you might become EPEL packager yourself :-)

K.

[Jean-Francois Dockes]

Karel Volný writes:
> Hi,
> > My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.
>
> I cannot think of any better :-)
> > I am the developper for Recoll, a full-text search application, which has
> > been packaged for Fedora for a long time.
> >
> > I have a small but steady rivulet of users asking for CentOS or Enterprise
> > Linux Recoll packages. In consequence, there are some CentOS 7 packages on
> > the Recoll web site. It would be easier for the users and and for me if the
> > Fedora package was maintained for EPEL instead.
> >
> > Any possibility that this could happen ?
>
> I see there already exists a bug for this:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1422666
>
> however it is assigned to the EL6 branch maintainer whom I expect to be 
> buried  in other stuff (we have RHEL 7.4 around the corner ...) while the 
> Fedora maintainer, who looks quite reponsive, wasn't copied ...

I understand the buried issue.

I wrote to the Fedora maintainer first of course, and he does not wish to
do EPEL packaging, hence my email to the list.
> generally, some people maintaining packages in Fedora might be hesitant to 
> take care of EPEL as they don't run RHEL/CentOS ... it might help if you 
> (your community) would commit to testing/help with patching, which I 
> suppose wouldn't be a problem if you already maintain own packages

No problem for helping with testing and solving issues, and I always make
sure that distribution-specific patches (usually small build
compiler-related issues) get into the main code as soon as possible.
> also, you might become EPEL packager yourself :-)

Yes, but really, developpers and package maintainers have different sets of
competences, and I know that I have a very hard time switching between the
roles. Memory not good enough. It's one thing to whip up a set of working
packages, another to make sure that they are correct and in accordance with
the distribution standards.

Cheers,

jf
> K.
>
> -- 
> Karel Volný
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> Red Hat Czech, Brno
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> ::  easily be explained by stupidity."
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[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 25 April 2017 at 11:27, Jean-Francois Dockes  wrote:
> Karel Volný writes:
> > Hi,
> > > My apologies in advance if this is the wrong place.
> >
> > I cannot think of any better :-)
> > > I am the developper for Recoll, a full-text search application, which has
> > > been packaged for Fedora for a long time.
> > >
> > > I have a small but steady rivulet of users asking for CentOS or Enterprise
> > > Linux Recoll packages. In consequence, there are some CentOS 7 packages on
> > > the Recoll web site. It would be easier for the users and and for me if the
> > > Fedora package was maintained for EPEL instead.
> > >
> > > Any possibility that this could happen ?
> >
> > I see there already exists a bug for this:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1422666
> >
> > however it is assigned to the EL6 branch maintainer whom I expect to be
> > buried  in other stuff (we have RHEL 7.4 around the corner ...) while the
> > Fedora maintainer, who looks quite reponsive, wasn't copied ...
>
> I understand the buried issue.
>
> I wrote to the Fedora maintainer first of course, and he does not wish to
> do EPEL packaging, hence my email to the list.
> > generally, some people maintaining packages in Fedora might be hesitant to
> > take care of EPEL as they don't run RHEL/CentOS ... it might help if you
> > (your community) would commit to testing/help with patching, which I
> > suppose wouldn't be a problem if you already maintain own packages
>
> No problem for helping with testing and solving issues, and I always make
> sure that distribution-specific patches (usually small build
> compiler-related issues) get into the main code as soon as possible.
> > also, you might become EPEL packager yourself :-)
>
> Yes, but really, developpers and package maintainers have different sets of
> competences, and I know that I have a very hard time switching between the
> roles. Memory not good enough. It's one thing to whip up a set of working
> packages, another to make sure that they are correct and in accordance with
> the distribution standards.

In this case, what we need is someone to build a set of packages that
have already been set up for distribution standards. After that it
needs to have the package bugs fed to the developer so they can either
mitigate, fix or can them. Normally this can be the hardest part
because the developer is unaware of what the users are wanting to do.

I will attempt to work with the EPEL maintainer to fire off builds
from the Fedora branch. This will allow them to get into the various
EPEL-testing trees so that it can be seen what next steps are needed.
> Cheers,
>
> jf
> > K.
> >
> > --
> > Karel Volný
> > BaseOS QE - Daemons
> > Red Hat Czech, Brno
> > tel. [phone]
> > (RH: [phone] ext. 8262074)
> > :: "Never attribute to malice what can
> > ::  easily be explained by stupidity."
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[Karel Volný]

Hi,

...
> No problem for helping with testing and solving issues, ...

ok, so now let's move from talk to action :-)

Paolo prepared the package already and it'd be nice if Recoll users could 
test it and add karma:

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2017-ede90eda56
> > also, you might become EPEL packager yourself :-)
>
> Yes, but really, developpers and package maintainers have different sets of
> competences, and I know that I have a very hard time switching between the
> roles. Memory not good enough. It's one thing to whip up a set of working
> packages, another to make sure that they are correct and in accordance with
> the distribution standards.

sure, different people have different approaches, and I absolutely 
understand the argument about switching contexts, that's my weak spot too 
(and of course lack of time)

- but it never hurts to remind that the possibility is here (for anyone, 
not just the project programmer but any skilful user)

K.

[Jean-Francois Dockes]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:33:36 +0200, Karel Volný  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ...
> > No problem for helping with testing and solving issues, ...
>
> ok, so now let's move from talk to action :-)
>
> Paolo prepared the package already and it'd be nice if Recoll users could 
> test it and add karma:
>
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2017-ede90eda56

I will not be around computers next week, but will get to it during the second week of May.

Thanks !

jf