Summary:
Summary:
* fill the steering committee; two self-nomination: Xavier Lamien, Andy Gospodarek * Made the committee 8 members with Xavier and Andy taking seats. * new meeting time? * Quaid will work on a new page and send out a reminder to the list for people to sign up when they are best available. * Status Reports: Current build system * Reviewed Michael Schwendt's email for the record.. all looks good, and he seems to have been patching it. * Status Reports: Next gen build system * Would have been good to get a GSOC on it.. duh. * Mike Bonnet had sent some reports on his ideas to fedora-infrastructure-list. Not sure where that is going. * Status Reports: RHEL Meta Data * Michael Stahnke gave an update on this to the list. * Andy G. said the ideas were interesting and he would work with Spot on getting that to the list in some form. * Xen CentOS images for developers to test with would be a good idea. * Status Reports: Package pushes (EL-4 1st of month, EL-5 15th of month) * Got that wrong. EL-4 15th and EL-5 1st. * Knurd has documented the process. We need to validate process and send corrections. * Package Reports: What is waiting for what? * Orphans. What about JPO and Alex Thimm's packages? * nirik will send to the list what packages are orphaned. * Marketing Reports: * EPEL at the Red Hat Summit * several people have papers on the queue? * what ideas would be good for Red Hat Summit? * art request has been made.. will see what to do next * Standing Issues: EPEL-announce list * Move forward with creation of list * Request input from people on EPEL-devel for what they would like to see. * Free discussion around EPEL * Need to not eat too much into next meeting.
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Mar 26 11:45:06 >#fedora-devel< reminder ping: Jeff_S, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik, smooge, stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL meeting in #fedora-meeting at 18:00 UTC Mar 26 11:58:07 * mjezek has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Mar 26 11:58:58 * quaid gets his coffee and settles into his chair Mar 26 11:59:09 * wolfy too. without the cofee Mar 26 11:59:28 * nirik runs to get another cup of coffee... Mar 26 11:59:33 <quaid> in this virtual conference room I am sitting near the window looking out on the cascading redwood trees and meadows Mar 26 11:59:42 * quaid works his imagination Mar 26 12:00:05 <wolfy> quaid: it ain't nice to turn your back to the colleagues. with or without coffee. Mar 26 12:00:13 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process Mar 26 12:00:25 >#fedora-devel< Meeting ping: Jeff_S, knurd, mmcgrath, nirik, smooge, stahnma, quaid and everyone interested in EPEL -- EPEL meeting in #fedora-meeting now! Mar 26 12:00:33 * schlobinux_ (n=xavierb@AGrenoble-257-1-112-6.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:00:35 <quaid> wolfy: no, see, the window is positioned such that I am not rude and can still see everything Mar 26 12:00:47 <smooge> Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting? Mar 26 12:00:49 <quaid> also, no glare from the sun ever messes up our laptops in here, but it's never too dim Mar 26 12:00:51 * Jeff_S waves Mar 26 12:00:56 * smooge likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule Mar 26 12:00:58 * quaid is here Mar 26 12:00:58 * schlobinux_ is here Mar 26 12:01:23 <smooge> hi guys Mar 26 12:01:58 * nirik is here. Mar 26 12:02:05 * coren` (n=coren`@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) has left #fedora-meeting ("Baille baille") Mar 26 12:02:13 <smooge> Any old business? Mar 26 12:02:37 <smooge> will take that as a no Mar 26 12:02:39 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | fill the steering committee; two self-nomination: Xavier Lamien, Andy Gospodarek| all | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc Mar 26 12:03:15 * cebbert (n=cebbert@nat/redhat/x-7ab949d79e441acd) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:03:20 <smooge> Ok I would like to say I am +1 with both of these individuals. Xavier has taken a lot of perl packages and Andy would allow us to have EL Mar 26 12:03:23 <smooge> voice Mar 26 12:03:55 <nirik> +1 from me. Mar 26 12:04:10 <Jeff_S> hrm, do we have one free seat or two? Mar 26 12:04:59 <nirik> there is no fixed size I don't think... Mar 26 12:05:01 <smooge> when talking to knurd about the number of seats he said it wasn't a 'set' amount could be 9 could be 7 Mar 26 12:05:19 <Jeff_S> I see... but we'd like to keep it odd in case of split votes? Mar 26 12:05:20 <smooge> we currently have listed that we have 8 slots with quaid taking 2 because he is so awesome Mar 26 12:05:22 <quaid> right, we just picked based on experience of other SCos Mar 26 12:05:32 * quaid needs a diet Mar 26 12:05:40 <smooge> I figure he gets two votes Mar 26 12:05:42 <Jeff_S> when quaid sits around the house... Mar 26 12:05:50 <quaid> *snort* Mar 26 12:05:57 <quaid> whoops, I think I inhaled a chair Mar 26 12:06:11 <quaid> +1 to Xavier and Andy, btw Mar 26 12:06:14 <smooge> well don't worry.. its fiber and will come out in the end Mar 26 12:06:22 <Jeff_S> lol Mar 26 12:06:28 <Jeff_S> ok +1 for each from me Mar 26 12:06:38 <quaid> "Thank god for the gravel and grit to break it all down for me." Mar 26 12:06:40 <smooge> mmcgrath said he had no issues. Mar 26 12:06:54 <smooge> well why do you think they eat grits in the south? Mar 26 12:06:55 * nirik wonders if they are here and/or if this meeting time works for them? Mar 26 12:07:20 <smooge> the meeting time doesn't work for them. Smootherfrogz was available earlier.. but not now Mar 26 12:07:38 <Jeff_S> it's pretty bad for me too :) Mar 26 12:07:48 <nirik> well, we can now revist the meeting time I guess. ;) Mar 26 12:08:04 <Jeff_S> wed/thurs. are generally bad for me since I tend to have other meetings most of those days Mar 26 12:08:28 <Jeff_S> but I'll spare you the details :) can we have a sign up calendar like we did before? Mar 26 12:08:42 * quaid hates those calendars, fwiw Mar 26 12:08:49 <Jeff_S> heh Mar 26 12:08:55 * Jeff_S doesn't want to get on quaid's bad side Mar 26 12:09:06 <smooge> that would be his underside? Mar 26 12:09:08 <quaid> Jeff_S: oh, it's not you, and I promise not to sit on your head by "accident" Mar 26 12:09:12 <smooge> quaid CRUSH Mar 26 12:09:12 <Jeff_S> lol Mar 26 12:09:22 <quaid> "MP3 BAD!" Mar 26 12:09:34 <quaid> "OGG GOOD!" Mar 26 12:09:45 * gospo (n=gospo@nat/redhat/x-999a994c8af35a5e) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:09:46 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | new meeting time? | all | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc Mar 26 12:09:59 <smooge> i wonder if gospo is our guest of honor? Mar 26 12:10:03 <gospo> heh Mar 26 12:10:05 * mjezek (n=jezz@a05-0834a.kn.vutbr.cz) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:10:17 * nirik is fine with most times... dunno how to narrow it down much. Mar 26 12:10:18 <Jeff_S> hi gospo Mar 26 12:10:23 * smooge calms quaid down with a deep fried snickers with twinkie Mar 26 12:10:29 <gospo> hello Jeff_S et al Mar 26 12:10:31 <quaid> I'll find the one we did before and we can resurrect it Mar 26 12:10:45 <Jeff_S> smooge: wow, it worked Mar 26 12:10:53 <quaid> smooge: better than what most people offer me when they find out I'm in "whacky California" Mar 26 12:11:24 <smooge> ok here are our options: One we try and work with moin on it... or we look at some outside source to do it. The centos guys have been using a website that allowed us to put in our times.. but it was not-opensource Mar 26 12:11:25 * TuxBrewer (n=steven@cpe-069-134-255-095.nc.res.rr.com) has left #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:11:53 <smooge> quaid, whacky California is ok. I will add some deep-fried sproats and tofu if that will help Mar 26 12:12:03 <Jeff_S> I was fine with the moin page before, but I don't really care what we use Mar 26 12:12:21 <quaid> sorry, didn't mean to distract from what worked OK before Mar 26 12:12:27 <quaid> let's just use the stupid Moin table :D Mar 26 12:12:40 <smooge> Ok.. if quaid can find the moin page.. that would be ok. Until we get a Zope solution :) Mar 26 12:12:51 <Jeff_S> :) Mar 26 12:12:54 * quaid hurtles a Plone compat package at smooge Mar 26 12:13:06 <smooge> gospo, to catch you up. You now have a seat on the board. Mar 26 12:13:26 * smooge grabs plone and uses it with his EL_5 system Mar 26 12:13:26 <Jeff_S> gospo: so feel free to join in w/ the throwing things and fat jokes.. =/ Mar 26 12:13:36 <gospo> smooge: ah, cool. sorry I was late -- I was stupidly waiting in #epel for it to start not realizing it was happening here Mar 26 12:13:51 <smooge> ah, did that myself a couple of times Mar 26 12:13:52 * gospo wonders if he should have admitted that though :) Mar 26 12:14:04 <quaid> nope Mar 26 12:14:16 * quaid j/k!!1! Mar 26 12:14:17 <gospo> quaid: oh well Mar 26 12:14:17 * smooge hands quaid some more tofu Mar 26 12:14:38 <quaid> smoked tofu? Mar 26 12:14:46 <smooge> Ok quaid will look for and set up a page for us to deal with times. Mar 26 12:14:51 <smooge> smoked in BBQ sauce Mar 26 12:15:08 <smooge> ok next part of the meeting... status reports Mar 26 12:15:11 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Status Reports | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:15:22 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Status Reports: Current build system | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:15:54 <nirik> what page do you need? Mar 26 12:16:15 <smooge> Michael Schwendt sent a report to the list.. which is probably better than this meeting.. but it covered what was needed. Mar 26 12:16:48 <smooge> nirik, I need to put a link to where we store these things.. I was typing as fast as I could during a work meeting Mar 26 12:16:51 * mjezek has quit ("Konversation terminated!") Mar 26 12:17:12 <smooge> so I left out links in the meeting topics.. til later.. or someone who knows what to stick where Mar 26 12:17:29 <nirik> yeah. Mar 26 12:17:45 * alleycat (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:17:45 * wolfy has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Mar 26 12:17:51 <nirik> basically the build system is fine and stable, but it's not koji, so we can't use bodhi. Pretty much the same state its been in for a while. ;) Mar 26 12:17:59 <smooge> Yeah. Mar 26 12:18:18 <smooge> but I want to make sure we don't have crashes etc and aren't getting them regularly reported Mar 26 12:18:33 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Status Reports: Next gen build system | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:18:40 <smooge> and we are to where nirik said.. Mar 26 12:18:57 <smooge> there was some talk in fedora-infrastructure last week.. but I don't think it went anywhere after that. Mar 26 12:19:14 <smooge> in fact I was confused as to where it went Mar 26 12:19:34 <nirik> on the infrastructure list? or ? Mar 26 12:19:37 <Jeff_S> seemed like people agreed to the general plan/idea Mar 26 12:19:55 <Jeff_S> would be really cool if we could find a SoC student interested in doing parts/all of that... Mar 26 12:20:04 <SmootherFrOgZ> hi, sorry for the late, just finished an professionnal meeting Mar 26 12:20:11 <Jeff_S> SmootherFrOgZ: hi Mar 26 12:20:24 * Jeff_S got to run now Mar 26 12:20:26 <smooge> nirik, Mike Bonnet mentioned it on the list. Mar 26 12:20:31 <nirik> ok. Mar 26 12:20:42 <smooge> And once more we do not know if Jeff_S and SmootherFrOgZ are not the same person Mar 26 12:20:42 * nirik should join the f-i list... man, too many lists tho. Mar 26 12:20:52 <Jeff_S> lol Mar 26 12:20:56 <Jeff_S> my secret is safe Mar 26 12:21:03 <SmootherFrOgZ> ^^ Mar 26 12:21:11 <smooge> Ok basically he looks to be working on some patches.. and there was some discussion from dgilmore if they were the way to go Mar 26 12:21:28 <nirik> cool. Mar 26 12:21:52 <smooge> Hi SmootherFrOgZ, you have been added as the 8th person on the committee. quaid is working on a page for us to choose a new meeting time to try and get people together better Mar 26 12:22:22 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Status Reports: RHEL Meta Data | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:22:27 <gospo> sorry I didn't get the memo, but is the current one too hard for many (it's great for me) Mar 26 12:22:27 <SmootherFrOgZ> ho, i'm ok with this current times Mar 26 12:22:48 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:23:46 <smooge> gospo, SmootherFrOgZ the meeting change has been on the 'list' since before I got on board. It has been waiting until we had a full board to see how we could get a majority of people together every other week Mar 26 12:23:57 <gospo> smooge: ok, thanks Mar 26 12:24:02 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Status Reports: RHEL Meta Data | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:24:24 <smooge> Michael Stahnke gave an update on this to the list. Mar 26 12:25:37 <smooge> I think the issues are two fold. Repoquery and somehow giving access to EL's for developers. Mar 26 12:25:53 * quaid notes that 623 out of 11364 pages have the word 'meeting' in them, which is actually not that bad Mar 26 12:26:11 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") Mar 26 12:26:17 <gospo> so Michael's notes were interesting and I can see if I can get an inside track on what pkgs are getting added to RHEL that already exist in EPEL Mar 26 12:26:21 <smooge> I was wondering if we could bittorrent some CentOS xen/qemu images for people to play with. Mar 26 12:26:25 * coren` (n=coren`@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:26:44 <nirik> I would be happy to provide folks with centos vm's for testing things... Mar 26 12:26:50 <quaid> gospo: Spot is supposed to provide that now, btw Mar 26 12:26:51 <nirik> but I have no RHEL here at home. Mar 26 12:26:55 <smooge> the CentOS is mostly to deal with making sure that they don't have to worry about licensing Mar 26 12:27:02 <gospo> quaid: ah, ok Mar 26 12:27:35 <quaid> gospo: but please, do work with him; we'd like to hear as soon in the cycle as possible; I just went far enough to ask him to cover that :) Mar 26 12:27:36 <smooge> gospo, if you have the time.. it might help spot's too many tasks list Mar 26 12:27:42 <quaid> +1 Mar 26 12:28:24 <smooge> Ok anything else on this topic? Mar 26 12:28:31 * quaid was glad spot said he'd do that, otherwise quaid would have started scaring Product Managers with EPEL requests :D Mar 26 12:28:49 <smooge> I thought you were scary as it was.. Mar 26 12:29:03 <quaid> sorry, uh ... Mar 26 12:29:12 <smooge> but we do need to get this ready before 5.2 is solid Mar 26 12:29:19 <smooge> or 4.7 Mar 26 12:29:28 <quaid> stahnke had a message on the meta data to f-infra-l? Mar 26 12:29:32 <gospo> smooge: quaid: I'll try and talk with spot Mar 26 12:29:45 <smooge> quaid, no it was in reply to my last call for topics on epel Mar 26 12:29:51 <quaid> ah Mar 26 12:29:59 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Package Reports: What is waiting for what? | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:30:17 <smooge> woops sorry Mar 26 12:30:35 <smooge> anything more on the last item.. I pasted too soon Mar 26 12:30:46 * quaid is good, found stahnke's email Mar 26 12:31:44 <smooge> and I missed a status report.. but knurd isnt here.. Mar 26 12:31:54 <smooge> will do a quick change to just say it was covered. Mar 26 12:31:56 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Status Reports: Package pushes (EL-4 1st of month, EL-5 15th of month) | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:32:31 <nirik> I think knurd made a page describing how to do those pushes. Mar 26 12:32:34 <smooge> Ok I think we have another push coming up soon. I am hoping to get some time this weekend to go over the pages that knurd put together Mar 26 12:32:44 <nirik> I have been doing pushes to testing every few days or when requested. Mar 26 12:32:47 <quaid> gospo: yeah, if some of that "what comes in next EL update" is s3cr3t until X date, it would be good to find a way to share it early with steering committee members who i) are under NDA/employed by RHT and ii) can help us to prepare with "I think we should do this because I just think it's a good idea" stuff; unfortunately, I fill category i but not ii :) Mar 26 12:32:51 <smooge> but realized thats a dollar short and a day almost too late Mar 26 12:33:23 * knurd is on the keyboard now Mar 26 12:33:27 <knurd> hi folks Mar 26 12:33:33 <smooge> hi knurd how are you? Mar 26 12:33:40 <knurd> sorry, just came back to the keyboard Mar 26 12:33:48 <gospo> quaid: right, that seems like something I can bring to the table with this Mar 26 12:34:00 <gospo> quaid: of course I also have other secret plans too :) Mar 26 12:34:02 <knurd> smooge, to much work, days to short; so everything normal Mar 26 12:34:04 <smooge> I won't be able to get to your pages til Saturday.. so I wanted to see if I had the push dates correct and if there were any problems Mar 26 12:34:16 <smooge> knurd. ja. Mar 26 12:34:57 <knurd> nirik, smooge, the schedule page in the wiki describes how I did the testing->stable pushes Mar 26 12:35:04 <knurd> (or better: how I prepared them) Mar 26 12:35:54 <smooge> knurd, ah I got it backwards... 15th for el-4 and 1st for el-5 Mar 26 12:36:17 <knurd> yeah, that's how we do it Mar 26 12:36:28 <smooge> any issues with tuesday pushing EL-5 that you know of? Mar 26 12:37:01 <knurd> smooge, I didn't prepare them yet Mar 26 12:37:08 <gospo> quaid: just out of curiousity, why don't you feel like you can do 'ii' above Mar 26 12:37:14 <knurd> the only issue that likely will show up Mar 26 12:37:21 <quaid> knurd: quick question, do you recall where on the wiki we last organized verious people's times in a matrix for figuring out when to meet? Mar 26 12:37:26 <knurd> broken deps that are around for one or two months Mar 26 12:37:36 <knurd> without any process of them being fixed Mar 26 12:37:59 <quaid> gospo: mainly, unfamiliarity with the EPEL build system and packaging in general; not likely to learn for just this effort :) Mar 26 12:38:04 <knurd> quaid, I suppose we deleted that page again; but I should be able to find it again Mar 26 12:38:17 <quaid> ah, deleted, that would explain why i cannot find it Mar 26 12:38:20 <quaid> knurd: trying to recycle :) Mar 26 12:38:23 <gospo> quaid: ok, thanks for clarification Mar 26 12:38:26 * mmcgrath is back from other meeting Mar 26 12:38:30 <knurd> quaid, there are lots of such tables in the wiki; docs and ambassadors used similar pages iirc as well Mar 26 12:38:38 <smooge> knurd, is that the 'orphans' issue. I need to write up some proposed policies to send to the list and get feedback then? Mar 26 12:38:50 <quaid> knurd: no, see .. I wanted the one I already filled out so I don't have to re-fill from scratch :) Mar 26 12:39:23 <knurd> smooge, no, those are not the "real" orphans Mar 26 12:39:47 <knurd> some of the maintainers are likely just lazy Mar 26 12:40:02 <knurd> but we have real orphans; people that left EPEL or Fedora Mar 26 12:40:06 <smooge> ok.. I should look at the borked deps script email Mar 26 12:40:18 <knurd> jpo (left Fedora) and thimm (left EPEL) Mar 26 12:40:34 <nirik> spot took over all jpo's packages. Mar 26 12:40:46 <nirik> we should confirm all of thimm's got handled. Mar 26 12:40:58 <knurd> nirik, mbonnet, does the script run now and then? where there broken dep reports in the past two weeks? Mar 26 12:41:29 <nirik> knurd: I haven't seen posts on the list. ;( I can ask mmcgrath when he's back about it... perhaps something broke Mar 26 12:41:29 * knurd thinks that it would be really helpfull if the broken deps report would state how long a dep is broken already Mar 26 12:41:30 <SmootherFrOgZ> is someone else takeover their packages or plan to ? Mar 26 12:41:38 <nirik> it was supposed to run from cron Mar 26 12:42:19 <smooge> I saw a buildsys but not a deps.. got confused Mar 26 12:42:26 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Package Reports: What is waiting for what? | all | need to make a page... help? Mar 26 12:42:34 <smooge> and I think we are on this topic :) Mar 26 12:42:40 <knurd> nirik, jpo according to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/bugzilla?tg_format=plain still owns quite a few EPEL packages Mar 26 12:43:03 <nirik> hum... is that link valid anymore? thats fas1... Mar 26 12:43:11 * kital has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Mar 26 12:43:26 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 12:43:32 <knurd> nirik, that's pkgdb, isn't it? Mar 26 12:44:12 <nirik> yeah. Mar 26 12:44:34 <nirik> ok, I can track down the jpo and thimm packages and report back to the list/and or next meeting. Mar 26 12:45:01 <smooge> to the list if possible.. two weeks is a long time and I will lose too many brain cells due to old age Mar 26 12:45:45 <nirik> yeah. Mar 26 12:45:57 <nirik> perhaps we should meet next week if we can agree on a time before then? Mar 26 12:46:35 <smooge> I have 1800 every week blocked off for this meeting :). We can meet on #epel if this one is taken :) Mar 26 12:46:39 * knurd tends to say "a lot can be solved on the list as well if just two people really drive the issue forward" Mar 26 12:46:59 * nirik nods Mar 26 12:47:39 <smooge> yeah.. I think that is the preferred method also.. because that way spot etc can chime in and say "Didn't you know this is going to affect XYZ?" that of course we should be aware of :) Mar 26 12:48:07 <smooge> but forgot because well we are all over the age of 34 or something Mar 26 12:48:51 <smooge> quaid, what is your main focus at RH these days? Technical communications, marketing, buying selling souls on the OTC market? Mar 26 12:50:01 <smooge> ... expects its the last one and he is on the phone with a broker at the momnet Mar 26 12:50:24 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Marketing Reports: | all | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc Mar 26 12:51:25 <smooge> ok i put this on just to say the usual: we have more mirrors, we have an outstanding request for 'icons', and we probably want to look at how we can market ourselves into a larger market Mar 26 12:52:38 <gospo> smooge: the larger market is why I want to get involved Mar 26 12:53:55 <smooge> I think we will be coming to what every group has to do quarterly, yearly, etc. Who are we, what do we offer, and who are we 'selling' it to, and at what price? [Price being free but getting some percentage of help back] Mar 26 12:54:26 <smooge> gospo, what do you see as a mission here? Mar 26 12:54:29 <gospo> though the issue regarding "support by RH of systems with EPEL" needs to be worked out (though I don't think it will be an issues), I'd like to try and encourage more partners/vendors who use RHEL to consider EPEL as a way to get their own packages into RHEL Mar 26 12:55:17 <gospo> so I get requests from time to time from hardware vendors to take their tools that poke their hardware and put them in RHEL Mar 26 12:55:36 <quaid> smooge: sorry, distracted Mar 26 12:55:44 <smooge> yeah... that has some interesting effects and may not be a completely EPEL item but some sub/partner group. The Zenoss package is an example where an RH partner's packages do not mix with the 'Fedora' packaging standards Mar 26 12:55:58 <gospo> but giving outsiders the chance to manage the pkgs themselves is attractive Mar 26 12:56:00 <quaid> smooge: http://developer.redhatmagazine.com is one of the tools I'm using as a 'developer community mangler' Mar 26 12:56:11 <smooge> quaid, put down the peanut butter and marshmallows :) Mar 26 12:56:21 * nirik thinks it would be cool to play up EPEL some at the next redhat summit. Mar 26 12:56:33 <smooge> nirik, I agree. Mar 26 12:56:42 <quaid> smooge: mainly trying to connect the dots in the clouds above stuff like Red Hat devel fun, Fedora devel fun, JBoss.org devel fun, etc. Mar 26 12:56:44 <gospo> nirik: I actually have a paper proposed for the summit that touches on that Mar 26 12:56:48 <smooge> quaid, ah yeah I found that recently. Mar 26 12:56:53 * quaid and stahnke do as well Mar 26 12:56:59 <nirik> cool Mar 26 12:57:08 <quaid> anything that we would want ... Mar 26 12:57:09 * knurd wonders if he should try to visit both the RH summit and Fudcon Mar 26 12:57:16 <quaid> to have as a focus for annoucing at the Summit? Mar 26 12:57:16 <gospo> quaid: nice, maybe we can work together if why ever annouce who's stuff they are taking :) Mar 26 12:57:25 <quaid> knurd: +1 Mar 26 12:57:36 <gospo> quaid: we definitely need to chat more Mar 26 12:57:40 <quaid> gospo: /me *murfle, murfle* Mar 26 12:58:00 <quaid> we'll have Fedora as a plaform to announce or talk about stuff from Mar 26 12:58:11 <quaid> and anything that is potentially maybe possibly EPEL related as talks Mar 26 12:58:16 <quaid> so, think about that y'all Mar 26 12:58:25 <nirik> knurd: you should. ;) Mar 26 12:58:26 * quaid waves his fingers all mesmerizing like Mar 26 12:58:34 * nirik should see if he can go to the next fudcon soon. Mar 26 12:58:56 <smooge> ok.. I guess its time to start a 'thread' on EPEL ideas for RedHatCon Mar 26 12:59:10 <gospo> smooge: RedHatSummit ;) Mar 26 12:59:20 <smooge> I thought it was FedoraSummit Mar 26 12:59:27 * gospo is just sharing the kool-aide Mar 26 12:59:30 <smooge> or FUDSUM Mar 26 12:59:36 <quaid> heh Mar 26 12:59:39 <gospo> smooge: FUDCON, RHSummit Mar 26 12:59:47 * quaid almost passes out laughing Mar 26 12:59:59 <smooge> I need new kool-aide(TM).. All mine have left the building Mar 26 13:00:08 <gospo> :) Mar 26 13:00:14 <quaid> ok, it really is time Mar 26 13:00:18 <quaid> for us to kill that metaphor Mar 26 13:00:31 <quaid> Rev. Jones is coming for ya! Mar 26 13:00:43 * smooge pulls a marshmallow from quaid's hand and hooks up his O2 tank Mar 26 13:00:50 <smooge> better? Mar 26 13:01:02 <smooge> I still have nightmares about Rev Jones... Mar 26 13:01:17 * quaid breathes like Dennis Hopper from Blue Velvet Mar 26 13:01:35 <quaid> yeah, all good, thanks Mar 26 13:01:42 * smooge realizes he gave quaid the NO2 tank and changes the mixture Mar 26 13:02:41 <smooge> ok so will start a thread.. anything else on marketing stuff? Cons, projects, etc? [Beyond me realizing HEY we should have had a GSOC do the koji patch Mar 26 13:03:05 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Standing Issues: EPEL-announce list | all | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc Mar 26 13:03:18 <quaid> gospo: btw, +1 on working together, you are speaking about exactly why I feel good about investing my @redhat.com time in EPEL Mar 26 13:03:47 <smooge> Ok this is on the list of "what should we do about getting new packages, emergency changes, lockdowns, etc" Mar 26 13:03:57 <gospo> quaid: excellent Mar 26 13:04:31 <nirik> smooge: I'm in general down on more lists, but I think an announce list might be needed/ok... Mar 26 13:04:38 <quaid> smooge: could we piggy-back on f-devel-announce since it's fairly light in traffic and should all be on it anyway? Mar 26 13:04:56 <quaid> or do we think there is a big enough % of EPEL-only contributors? Mar 26 13:04:59 <nirik> well, is this for end users? or developers? Mar 26 13:05:07 <quaid> ah, good q Mar 26 13:05:12 <smooge> quaid, the only issue I had was whether the 2 missions matched Mar 26 13:05:38 <knurd> I thought it's for users Mar 26 13:05:38 <quaid> smooge: interesting ... Mar 26 13:05:44 <smooge> I was looking for an end-user list. So that joe who is using EPEL for puppet doesnt get a suprise patch Mar 26 13:05:46 <quaid> f-announce-l for users Mar 26 13:05:47 <knurd> there is not that much traffic on epel-devel Mar 26 13:06:02 <quaid> the traffic is just not that bad, and anyone who needs to get the EPEL knowledge is on the others Mar 26 13:06:10 <knurd> thus EPEL-announce would be more like fedora-annouce-list or fedora-package-annouce (a mix likely) Mar 26 13:06:33 <quaid> well, I'm +/- on that idea, I see how it's nicer for the enterprise user dude who "doesn't care about Fedora stuff" Mar 26 13:06:38 * kital has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Mar 26 13:06:54 <nirik> I think the example case was the duplicity issue not too long ago. Mar 26 13:07:05 <smooge> yes. knurd I don't mind if we stick it on epel-devel for the moment. I would like to see a standard message header for it though so people can just filter for it Mar 26 13:07:17 <gospo> what if fedora-announce is a member of epel-announce, so that fedora can find out about epel stuff if needed Mar 26 13:07:22 <knurd> would be nice to annouce the testing-> stable move for users somewhere as well Mar 26 13:07:27 <nirik> epel had to upgrade to the newer version, but it broke command line compat. Would be nice to have a way to notify end users: Hey, you will need to fix scripts, etc. Mar 26 13:07:43 <quaid> gospo: that is a reasonable mailman trick to employ Mar 26 13:07:44 <knurd> nirik, +1 Mar 26 13:07:59 <quaid> then people can get just the epel end-user announce stuff, and all fedora gets it too Mar 26 13:08:04 <smooge> knurd, exactly.. that is where I would like those messages so that the sysadmins are aware that they are going to get new stuff whether they were ready or not Mar 26 13:08:05 <gospo> exactly Mar 26 13:08:23 * quaid thinks, better exposure for EPEL to announce into f-announce, too Mar 26 13:08:44 <nirik> I think end users won't want to mess with suscribing to a devel list and filtering... Mar 26 13:08:51 <knurd> nirik, +1 Mar 26 13:08:52 <quaid> agreed Mar 26 13:08:52 <smooge> ok I think we can put it to a vote. Mar 26 13:09:00 <gospo> epel exposure is important, methinks -- not enough people know about it and go off using other strange repos Mar 26 13:09:06 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 26 13:09:10 <smooge> +1 on EPEL-announce for announcements of pushes, new packages, and emergency problems Mar 26 13:09:11 * kital has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Mar 26 13:09:38 <smooge> plus it getting cross posted to fedora-announce if that is 'ok' with fedora side Mar 26 13:09:38 <knurd> smooge, +1 (albeit not every "new package") Mar 26 13:09:39 <quaid> +1 and +1 to having f-announce-l a subscriber to epel-announce Mar 26 13:09:43 <nirik> +1 here (although we shouldn't overload it) Mar 26 13:09:55 <smooge> knurd, no not ever new package. the weekly build report would be good for it Mar 26 13:10:00 <nirik> will testing pushes go there too? Mar 26 13:10:01 <gospo> +1 on the list and +1 on the overload to f-announce-l Mar 26 13:10:06 <nirik> or just stable pushes? Mar 26 13:10:23 <quaid> how about weekly package updates of some kind? Mar 26 13:10:27 <smooge> nirik pushes from testing -> stable, stable -> DOOM Mar 26 13:10:28 <knurd> let's just ask the devel list what users want Mar 26 13:10:32 <quaid> we could use f-package-announce for epel-package-announce? Mar 26 13:10:36 <smooge> knurd, +1 on that Mar 26 13:10:37 <knurd> and then we just do it somehow ;-) Mar 26 13:10:39 <quaid> or do the same double-subscribe method Mar 26 13:11:04 <nirik> I think just one announce list is needed now... Mar 26 13:11:07 <nirik> knurd: +1 Mar 26 13:11:20 <smooge> quaid, I think f-package-announce, but I never heard of it til now Mar 26 13:11:23 <nirik> lets ask the devel community what kinds of things they would like to see on an announce list. Mar 26 13:12:19 <knurd> once we have lots of package annoucements (with bodhi?) we can add a dedicated channel for them on EPEL-announce Mar 26 13:12:30 * nirik nods Mar 26 13:14:37 <smooge> sent Mar 26 13:14:51 * smooge has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL Mar 26 13:15:27 <stickster> Hey, you guys ate our meeting! :-D Mar 26 13:15:37 <smooge> sorry Mar 26 13:15:38 <quaid> smooge: yeah, f-pkg-a came from parsing that feed off f-announce, thank ye gods Mar 26 13:15:51 <quaid> stickster: well, we didn't actually come pushing for the conference room Mar 26 13:16:00 <stickster> I know, that's why I was laughing and not crying Mar 26 13:16:02 * nirik burps Mar 26 13:16:03 <quaid> and since I already have the comfie chair by the window with the great view, I didn't care Mar 26 13:16:08 <smooge> do we need to roll us out now Mar 26 13:16:28 * stickster got tied up in an email to Legal, always another rathole... Mar 26 13:16:36 <quaid> yeah, let's roll over to FDSCo Mar 26 13:16:45 <smooge> ok.. one sec Mar 26 13:16:59 * smooge will close the meeting in 1 Mar 26 13:17:11 <smooge> -- MARK -- Meeting end
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