Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges
#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
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Reporter: jflory7 | Owner: jflory7
Type: enhancement | Status: accepted
Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP
Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent
Resolution: | Keywords: nextmeeting
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Comment (by yn1v):
Replying to [comment:6 bt0dotninja]:
> I suggest a low tech workaround:
>
> Designate a group's proxy for create/update "wiki user home page" under
user request in group's mailing list, this will be part of the on-boarding
process of the group.(we can use templates for convenience)
>
> Until the user has been accepted into the group can edit the wiki page
(at this time will comply with CLA+1)
>
> as skamath said :"a spammer might not take the extra efforts to get
boot-strapped into the group". this workaround will works for many groups
(counterexample: Marketing, this people use the wiki a lot)
>
> It is my humble opinion.
I am afraid of creating groups that are easy. As it was mentioned, it will
award CLA+1 status, which means vote, fedorapeople space, mail alias,
among other privileges. I am not sure if it is possible to create a group
that does not count toward CLA+1.
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Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/80#comment:15>
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Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges
#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
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Reporter: jflory7 | Owner: jflory7
Type: enhancement | Status: accepted
Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP
Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent
Resolution: | Keywords: nextmeeting
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Comment (by viorel):
Replying to [comment:3 jflory7]:
> I know the Ambassadors are one group that are affected by this, as it's
a
> pre-requisite that anyone looking to be involved as an Ambassador create
> their user page with general info about them, why they want to get
involved,
> etc. The Ambassador mailing list is also only able to be posted to by
> sponsored Ambassadors as well, which makes it difficult to defer
> introductions to a mailing list.
Most projects require a self-introduction email, any background on why
Ambassadors chose wiki user page to come in before mailing list
subscription?
Replying to [comment:5 jflory7]:
> It's a tough situation because on one hand, we're looking at potentially
> making it more difficult to get a foothold in the project [...]
Some projects clearly state on their join page the format for the
self-introduction email. A new contributor can simply copy/paste that text
and
fill in the blanks which is as easy as (if not easier than) crafting a
cool
wiki page.
While mailing lists can be spammed it seems to me that spamming a wiki is
a
much serious issue which makes admission to a project an absolute
requirement
to prevent defacing one of the public faces of Fedora.
For that reason I'm a +1 for comment:12.
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Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges
#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
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Reporter: jflory7 | Owner:
Type: enhancement | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP
Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent
Resolution: | Keywords:
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Comment (by jflory7):
I think limiting the group to only user pages could be a good solution.
I'm only partial to keeping a way in on the wiki for eager contributors
because I recognize it as a lower-level bridge that can involve users /
avid on-lookers with the project. There's also the Fedora common bugs wiki
page, which is one way that someone can contribute to the project too, if
they're not involved anywhere else.
It's a tough situation because on one hand, we're looking at potentially
making it more difficult to get a foothold in the project, but on the
other hand, we have the issues with spam and having this turn into abuse
very quickly. I'm also trying not to be overly biased since I personally
feel like the wiki is a great way for people to become involved at the
beginning, but that may just be how I see it.
I'm trying to think of a good middle-of-the-road solution, but having a
hard time thinking up something. I pinged a few others to take a look at
this ticket, so perhaps some of the affected groups could weigh in on this
topic as well.
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Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges
#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
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Reporter: jflory7 | Owner:
Type: enhancement | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP
Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent
Resolution: | Keywords:
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Comment (by bex):
Perhaps the group should be restricted to creating user pages then? It
just seems we made a decision to do this and now we are saying we want to
either add more overhead or let anyone in and defeat the purpose.
Skamath - my understanding is that we have had some very good social
engineering done to us already on irc to get groups for spamming purposes.
jflory7 - I realize your examples may not be exhaustive, but it sounds
like only one group is impacted and they may be able to find an
alternative. They may not. But then this should be somethign they need
to manage as commops probably shouldn't be approving people for
applications to ambassadors.
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Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges
#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
--------------------------+--------------------
Reporter: jflory7 | Owner:
Type: enhancement | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP
Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent
Resolution: | Keywords:
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Comment (by skamath):
Replying to [comment:1 bex]:
> I'd like to understand which groups need wiki editing privilege as a
pre-requisite for group membership? Could those groups be asked to
consider alternatives? This feels like we are setting ourselves up to get
"social engineered" into inviting the spammers back.
I feel otherwise. First of all, a spammer might not take the extra efforts
to get boot-strapped into the group. Even if he/she does, basset would
still detect the spam, delete the page and ban the user permanently. By
having such a group, I believe we can take in only whom we think fits in.
+1 from me.
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Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges
#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
--------------------------+--------------------
Reporter: jflory7 | Owner:
Type: enhancement | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP
Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent
Resolution: | Keywords:
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Comment (by bex):
I'd like to understand which groups need wiki editing privilege as a pre-
requisite for group membership? Could those groups be asked to consider
alternatives? This feels like we are setting ourselves up to get "social
engineered" into inviting the spammers back.
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[Flock16] [Transcription] Fedora Hubs Meetup/Hackfest
by Justin W. Flory
These are the minutes from the Hubs workshop at Flock today. I'm sending
this out to a couple of lists because I think it's something super
interesting to multiple teams, and the summary (I feel) does a good job
of explaining a complicated thing into common English. Enjoy!
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Meeting ended Fri Aug 5 13:40:50 2016 UTC.
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock201...
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock201...
Log:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock201...
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#fedora-flock-openqa: Fedora Hubs Meetup / Hackfest - Speaker:
Pierre-Yves Chibon (pingou)
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Meeting started by jflory7 at 11:33:02 UTC. The full logs are available
at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-flock-openqa/2016-08-05/flock201...
.
Meeting summary
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* Getting ready / Introduction (jflory7, 11:33:16)
* What is Hubs? (jflory7, 11:48:42)
* Using fedmsg to capture all sorts of activities and information in
Fedora (jflory7, 11:48:53)
* Messages that cross over the bus all involve contributor activity -
1 thing with a problem (like other projects) is no easy way to
connect people with teams that are of interest to them and resources
they need to interact with these teams (jflory7, 11:50:19)
* Systems we use to talk to contributors has their challenges: IRC is
challenging but it's not something most people in the world are
familiar with, have to get client, join channel, register with
NickServ, etc. (same thing can go for mailing lists) (jflory7,
11:51:15)
* Fedora Hubs brings together many systems that we use for
communication and coordination and into a web-based view that
quickly connects people to teams with people in there and what's
happening in there (lowers the learning barrier) (jflory7,
11:51:52)
* Use a widget to follow a discussion and writing a reply, monitor
discussion, etc. (jflory7, 11:52:12)
* Because we have fedmsg, we don't need to vent new channels and new
activities that creates Balkanization problem of new vs. old
contributors (jflory7, 11:52:50)
* IDEA: Opening new views into existing systems (jflory7, 11:53:12)
* Hubs is designed to not just be one arrangement, each team can have
its own hub (jflory7, 11:53:24)
* What do we want to do? (jflory7, 11:54:30)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/243 (mizmo, 11:55:35)
* LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org (jflory7, 12:03:03)
* LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/skrzepto/ (skrzepto,
12:06:38)
* === Widgets === (jflory7, 12:10:54)
* Adding widget to hub: View your Hub in edit mode, choose your
widget, add it, and configure it on the prompt right after
(jflory7, 12:12:44)
* Requesting a new meeting in Hubs creates a new meeting in Fedocal
(jflory7, 12:16:04)
* pkgdb: Seeing packages ready to be pushed to stable and other
similar details in widgets (jflory7, 12:17:37)
* Badges: View all of your badges (jflory7, 12:17:44)
* Pagure: Newest open pull requests on Pagure tagged with fedora-infra
tag (jflory7, 12:17:57)
* Can also interact with GitHub and Bugzilla (other widgets coming
from outside sources) (jflory7, 12:18:29)
* IDEA: Avoiding silo of communications: Sticky note is maybe not a
good idea because then it isolates those *not* using Hubs, so there
could be separation of information that someone may miss if they are
not on Hubs (jflory7, 12:19:39)
* IDEA: WhenIsGood widget, but need to take caution on communication
silos where it could separate the contributors who are and are not
using Hubs (jflory7, 12:20:13)
* === Hubs groups === (jflory7, 12:20:26)
* LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/designteam/ (mizmo,
12:21:45)
* LINK: https://hubs-dev.fedorainfracloud.org/groups (jflory7,
12:22:54)
* Able to have community rules and guidelines in a group hub, as well
as meetings for schedule and past meeting minutes all from the main
team widget (jflory7, 12:23:54)
* HELP: Need more help on widgets, designing the hubs themselves for
groups - design team has good representation with ryanlerch and
mizmo, but we need more input and involvement with other groups and
teams (jflory7, 12:25:29)
* HELP: Packager needs help and input since it's a large group
(jflory7, 12:25:49)
* LINK: https://github.com/fedora-infra/zanata2fedmsg (jflory7,
12:26:16)
* IRC widget in progress which allows you to view design team channel
(a la Facebook Messenger style) on IRC, you can live chat with the
folks you can see on the hub (jflory7, 12:27:21)
* Q: "My personal hub... will people be able to see that?" (jflory7,
12:30:48)
* A: Yes, but plan to get private and public side, e.g. your live
feed, library widget, things from FAS (jflory7, 12:31:28)
* Personal stream in development for saving things from your incoming
stream for later reference (jflory7, 12:32:28)
* === History of project === (jflory7, 12:32:48)
* New Hubs superhero will be sayan for leading the project forward
(jflory7, 12:33:54)
* HELP: We need some assistance with the IRC widget with user use
case, we're working with developers to developers - mockups would be
helpful (jflory7, 12:35:47)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issues?tags=needsmockup
(jflory7, 12:35:48)
* === So what do we want to do moving forward? === (jflory7,
12:42:18)
* LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-hubs/issue/243 <= scavenger hunt, if
anyone is up for a challenge (mizmo, 12:43:15)
* Q: "Do you have a Vagrant set up for this?" (jflory7, 12:45:10)
* A: No-yes? ryanlerch has something he has been working on as a work
in progress, but needs some more visiting (jflory7, 12:45:47)
* HELP: fedora-hubs#243 could use another pair of eyes (jflory7,
12:46:59)
* Open hacking (jflory7, 12:50:10)
* LINK: http://localhost:5000/designteam/ <= no problem (mizmo,
12:52:42)
* LINK: http://localhost:5000/duffy/ <= oopsie (mizmo, 12:52:50)
Meeting ended at 13:40:50 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* jflory7 (156)
* mizmo (47)
* skrzepto (22)
* stickster (19)
* zodbot (7)
* ryanlerch (0)
* lmacken (0)
* sayan (0)
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