Good *morning, *(or whatever time of day it is in your land)

I just graduated from the Computer Science and Engineering course from a local collage here in my home town.

I have been receiving these emails for quite a while now.  I am very interested in the hard work you are all doing.  I have been unable to help out due to the intense course-load that my school put on my shoulders, but now that I'm no longer under that burden, I am hoping to help out in some way.

Here are things I'm struggling with:

1. Format.  I don't know any of the rules of communication.  It is a little intimidating even writing this email as I am unaware of forum rules or even how to use IRC.  I have known about it for years but have never been involved with any groups that required me to join.  So any communication with any of you is done with extreme caution and hesitation as I don't know what I'm supposed to do, where to stand and how I'm supposed to dress.

2. Tutorials.  I think the classroom idea is great for some people, but I think written tutorials on topics that we are struggling with would be a lot better as they allow people to follow them at their own pace.  Having an email or forum link to ask questions about the tutorials will allow moderators to update the tutorials with FAQ answers and such.  Even a tutorial on how to use IRC or what to expect, how to register a nickname would be extremely helpful.

3. Still have no idea how to create an RPM of any project I'm working on.  Sometimes the technical documents on how to do things are written in what seems like legal documents.  Having a step-by-step walk-through makes all the difference in the world.  Again following the format in #2 where there is a link for FAQs and someone that can answer bizarre questions when the time comes would really help.

4. Understanding that no two contributors are the same and Understanding that no two projects are the same.  Contributing to one project is vastly different from contributing to another project.  I've looked into a couple of projects in the past and I was so confused by the tools, format, and direction that the project was going in.  Many of the tools used in open source projects are totally different that the tools that are being taught in a programming school. 

The desire is there, I want to help out, I'm just feeling like I'm in over my head and have no idea where to begin.  There is no easy way to break in, it feels like you either know how to do everything already or you're left to figure it out.  I'm not sure what I can do to help.

I hope this helps you all to understand what it feels like from a newer perspective.  Thanks for listening.


-Cory Hilliard




On 31/01/17 08:33 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
Hello,

We had a good meeting yesterday. Minutes below. There's quite a bit of
work to be done. The action items are listed first and while we've
assigned tasks to ourselves, please feel free to jump in to help out.
The tickets are all on our pagure instance here:

https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues


Links to full logs:
------

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2017-01-30/fedora-join.2017-01-30-16.04.html
Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2017-01-30/fedora-join.2017-01-30-16.04.txt
Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-3/2017-01-30/fedora-join.2017-01-30-16.04.log.html


Action Items
------------
* everyone Please leave your comments on ticket CommOps ticket#100: Help
  wanted wednesday: https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100
* skamath make a list of public facing sites that would potentially act
  as entry points for new contributors and comment on the ticket?
* FranciscoD speak to various web ninjas to ascertain what metrics we
  should collect for the audit
* FranciscoD update ticket 21 with task assignment info
* skamath go through ML thread to understand better what ticket #19
  requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're up to it
* dhanesh95 go through ML thread to understand better what ticket #19
  requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're up to it
* FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19
  with info
* FranciscoD Seek out experienced Fedora contributors to collect advice
  on resurrecting the mentoring programme
* FranciscoD document ideas in ticket
* dhanesh95 find link to Fedora University ticket and send it to ML
* FranciscoD send out meeting logs to MLs


Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* dhanesh95
  * dhanesh95 go through ML thread to understand better what ticket #19
    requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're up to it
  * dhanesh95 find link to Fedora University ticket and send it to ML
* FranciscoD
  * FranciscoD speak to various web ninjas to ascertain what metrics we
    should collect for the audit
  * FranciscoD update ticket 21 with task assignment info
  * FranciscoD update https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19
    with info
  * FranciscoD Seek out experienced Fedora contributors to collect
    advice on resurrecting the mentoring programme
  * FranciscoD document ideas in ticket
  * FranciscoD send out meeting logs to MLs
* skamath
  * skamath make a list of public facing sites that would potentially
    act as entry points for new contributors and comment on the ticket?
  * skamath go through ML thread to understand better what ticket #19
    requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're up to it
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * everyone Please leave your comments on ticket CommOps ticket#100:
    Help wanted wednesday: https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100


Minutes:
--------

Meeting summary
---------------
* Rollcall  (FranciscoD, 16:05:21)

* Agenda  (FranciscoD, 16:06:22)
  * New members  (FranciscoD, 16:06:41)
  * Announcements  (FranciscoD, 16:06:47)
  * Commops update  (FranciscoD, 16:06:53)
  * Status update on in-reach:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/16  (FranciscoD,
    16:07:13)
  * Column idea: Help wanted Wednesday:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100  (FranciscoD, 16:07:22)
  * Fedora web space audit:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21  (FranciscoD,
    16:07:30)
  * Propose stage 2 to the Fedora Council as a project-level objective:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19  (FranciscoD,
    16:07:40)
  * Resurrect the mentoring programme:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/18  (FranciscoD,
    16:07:50)
  * Resurrect the classroom programme:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/22  (FranciscoD,
    16:07:58)
  * Any others here: https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issues
    (FranciscoD, 16:08:12)
  * What can we do better (either in the meeting, or the ML, or anything
    else. An issue, followed by a suggestion.)?  (FranciscoD, 16:08:25)
  * Open floor  (FranciscoD, 16:08:29)

* New members  (FranciscoD, 16:08:55)
  * Dhanesh B. Sabane. Member of CommOps, Marketing, Python, ML and
    hoping to be involved in lot more.. Find out more about me here:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dhanesh95  (dhanesh95, 16:11:54)

* Announcements  (FranciscoD, 16:14:15)
  * We just had the elections -
    https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/elections-retrospective-january-2017/
    - hope everyone voted!  (FranciscoD, 16:15:31)
  * Flock 2017 bids are now open:
    https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/flock-2017-bids-due-28-feb-2017/
    (FranciscoD, 16:16:09)

* Status update on in-reach:
  https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/16  (FranciscoD,
  16:18:21)
  * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig  (FranciscoD,
    16:20:41)
  * pisg works, i'm trying to add some functionality to it now
    (FranciscoD, 16:21:49)
  * A commblog post was published:
    https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/where-point-newcomers-fedora/
    (FranciscoD, 16:22:47)
  * We'd also sent an e-mail out to the announce ML:
    https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/6JA5JCI2GUUCMRPCVRMUUHVOMYB6HDWD/
    (FranciscoD, 16:23:41)
  * Leave #16 open for time being - until we put metric collection in
    place  (FranciscoD, 16:26:04)
  * Column idea: Help wanted Wednesday:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100  (FranciscoD, 16:28:42)
  * ACTION: everyone Please leave your comments on ticket CommOps
    ticket#100: Help wanted wednesday:
    https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/100  (FranciscoD, 16:33:03)

* Fedora web space audit:
  https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/21  (FranciscoD,
  16:33:28)
  * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/   (skamath, 16:35:28)
  * One goal of audit, among others, is to identify entry points that
    fedora join can then manage  (FranciscoD, 16:39:11)
  * ACTION: skamath make a list of public facing sites that would
    potentially act as entry points for new contributors and comment on
    the ticket?  (FranciscoD, 16:41:28)
  * ACTION: FranciscoD speak to various web ninjas to ascertain what
    metrics we should collect for the audit  (FranciscoD, 16:42:45)
  * ACTION: FranciscoD update ticket 21 with task assignment info
    (FranciscoD, 16:43:03)

* Propose stage 2 to the Fedora Council as a project-level objective:
  https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19  (FranciscoD,
  16:43:27)
  * ACTION: skamath go through ML thread to understand better what
    ticket #19 requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're
    up to it  (FranciscoD, 16:48:03)
  * ACTION: dhanesh95 go through ML thread to understand better what
    ticket #19 requires, and then volunteer for the position if they're
    up to it  (FranciscoD, 16:48:07)
  * skamath dhanesh95 happy to pursue
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19  (FranciscoD,
    16:48:32)
  * ACTION: FranciscoD update
    https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/19 with info
    (FranciscoD, 16:48:53)

* Resurrect the mentoring programme:
  https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/18  (FranciscoD,
  16:49:29)
  * ACTION: FranciscoD Seek out experienced Fedora contributors to
    collect advice on resurrecting the mentoring programme  (FranciscoD,
    16:51:00)

* Resurrect the classroom programme:
  https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/22  (FranciscoD,
  16:51:14)
  * Already set up pretty well: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom
    (FranciscoD, 16:51:31)
  * IDEA: How about we have a team of classroom wranglers that do the
    organising. People that want to take classes contact them, pick a
    slot. The wranglers book the room, send out the e-mails etc?
    (FranciscoD, 16:53:48)
  * ACTION: FranciscoD document ideas in ticket  (FranciscoD, 16:56:38)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives/University_Involvement_Initiative
    (FranciscoD, 16:57:31)

* What can we do better (here, there, anywhere?)  (FranciscoD, 17:01:20)
  * ACTION: dhanesh95 find link to Fedora University ticket and send it
    to ML  (FranciscoD, 17:02:32)
  * If you have anything - use "plussing" - point out an issue, and
    follow up with a suggestion  (FranciscoD, 17:03:24)
  * ACTION: FranciscoD send out meeting logs to MLs  (FranciscoD,
    17:04:34)

Meeting ended at 17:07:00 UTC.


People Present (lines said)
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* FranciscoD (179)
* skamath (81)
* dhanesh95 (52)
* zodbot (23)
* Southern_Gentlem (3)
* mailga (2)
* linuxmodder (0)
* jflory7 (0)



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