On Mon, Jan 23, 2017, at 09:48 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
On 01/18/2017 02:41 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> I hope everyone had a good holiday. I'm still on a vacation of sorts,
> but since most folks are back, I thought I'd get the ball rolling ASAP.
> So here it is:
I'll drop a +1 here for considering making this a larger objective in
Hey Ankur, thanks for getting the ball rolling. I think many of us
been having a busy start to 2017, which might attribute to some of the
> Fedora Join stage 2
> The objective of this stage is to carry on from stage 1 (making Fedora
> Join visible to the community). In stage 1, we published and announced
> on the community channels - the community blog, the announce mailing
> list. The intention was to make the community aware that we are
> preparing a channel where newbies and community members can interact.
> In stage 2, now that we've the channels and some community members
> ready to help, we announce the channels to the public. So, in a
> sentence, stage 2 says "Tell the world about Fedora Join!".
> We'll need to use the public facing channels for this one.
> Announcements should go out on these:
> - Fedora magazine
> - Users mailing list
> - Web forums:
> - Ask Fedora
> - Fedoraforum.org
Something that Brian Exelbierd and I have been discussing is the idea of
a "Help Wanted Wednesday" series either on the Community Blog or Fedora
Magazine. The idea of this would be to highlight some "easyfix" sort of
tasks that we could wave newcomers towards when they ask about something
to get started with.
Additionally, the motive behind this effort wasn't to have contributors
scouting out easyfix tickets, but rather, to have contributors bring
them to the team / group that would compile the series. This way, the
stress isn't loaded onto a small number of people, but rather, multiple
people from various parts of the community would be motivated to bring
their easyfix tickets or issues to us so that way they can gain
interested newcomers to their parts of the project.
This idea is hardly fleshed out or discussed much, but perhaps this is
something we could try to make a goal for the Join SIG or work closely
with CommOps to make it happen.
I think having Join+CommOps work together on this would be useful. I
think it is critical that this (like your mentoring comments below)
become somewhat self-sustaining and not require constant effort from a
small group to keep it rolling.
For more details (scant) on my thinking see
If we have active folks in other parts of Fedora, like the Fedora
Forums, Reddit, or more places, we can encourage them to share these
posts there. And there could be a tie-in to promote the Join SIG as the
"go-to" place if you have problems or questions while getting started.
> - It'll be awesome if we can add a note about Fedora Join on wcidff
> too. I'd opened a ticket long ago here already: https://github.com/fedo
> Are there any other channels that we can use to make ourselves more
> visible outside the community?
I definitely think Telegram has a strong potential, especially the
unofficial Fedora group. It is larger than our IRC channel by the
hundreds – we're close to hitting the 700 member mark soon. I also think
there is a notable number of folks there who are interested in
contributing, but might need to be reeled in or given direction to get
started. Finding a way to target this group of users could be a good
Other platforms we could use would be social media accounts and Reddit.
There's probably more too, if I went digging for a bit.
I think in all of your ideas you are emphasizing making a fast and
direct connection. I hope we can work out that process before turn on
the promotion machine.
> Other stuff
> Here are some other things we've discussed in the past. Please feel
> free to add more, and chime in with your views (start new threads
> too!). Think of these as ideas for the long term?
> - Mentoring
> I think a lot of us want to bring this back, but we're still to settle
> on how we'd match newbies to mentors and so on. Keeping in mind that
> mentoring existed before and died out, it'll be nice if we can come up
> with a sustainable process. An important part of this is ensuring that
> we constantly have new newbies and new mentors coming in so that the
> overall numbers remain constant from cycle to cycle, year to year.
I definitely think the ultimate priority for discussing this should be
making it sustainable. I love the idea of a mentoring program, but as
past experiences has shown us, people get burnt out and we don't have a
good way of bringing in more mentors. This could be a good goal for a
next meeting (I know we've fallen off a bit with them, but we should
definitely get the ball rolling again once you're back on a regular
> - Web stuff (requires input from the websites and design teams, at
> I still think a nice web overview of the community would give people
> outside the community a good insight into our interactions, and in
> turn, this would make it easier for them to join us. What do folks
> think of modifying fedoracommunity.org
to depict the community in
> different views:
> - by roles
> - by teams
> - by region
> At the moment, it feels like it's limited to ambassadors only, and only
> serves to collect regional websites.
> (I suggest modifying fedoracommunity.org
instead of setting up a new
> join.fp.o as before because the general feeling in the community seems
> to be that we already have too many web resources and any more are
> either surplus or unmanageable.)
Everytime I turn around I feel like someone points out yet another
Fedora web property or presence that is not well connected. This one
may even be on the bottom of fedoraproject.org
but I suspect it isn't
visited. I'd love to see join audit for websites that are likely entry
points and see if they can work with the web group to determine usage
statistics and update statistics. I have this nagging feeling we may be
spread thin - but I'd love to be proven wrong with facts.
I like this idea as well, but I'm wondering if this is something
be able to feasibly pull off. I'm leaning towards saying this is
something to place onto the backburner and revisit after we reach some
of the other goals mentioned above.
> - Classrooms
> Anyone for bringing these back? They were great to get folks started (I
> started contributing through a font packaging classroom session
Personally, I love the idea and think we could pull this off if we have
some clear on-boarding for existing contributors to run a classroom
without too much effort. Fedora Infrastructure already has a "Learn it!"
part of their agenda, where a member can volunteer to use part of the
meeting to explain a new concept and have other Infra members ask
questions. Patrick Uiterwijk did an excellent one on some of the
authentication tools used in Fedora, so it could be a good idea to warm
up with them with some of the ones from the past in Infra.
In either case, getting some sort of "classroom how-to" is definitely an
attainable goal for the coming month or two, and perhaps we could try to
set a deadline for when we would want to try attempting the next
A classroom how too is a good plan. Should we consider making this
something that we can leverage the community of a larger edu focused
site with too? I am not suggesting we think "University" but
advertising a lesson on a larger community site will increase the
likelihood of new users/contributors joining.
> > So, what do we do next?
> > ########################
> > It'll be great if we can discuss these on the ML to begin with, and
> > then follow the usual "ticket-meeting-task-repeat" system over
> I apologize for the slow response here. Keeping up over the holidays was
> more difficult than I anticipated and I'm still getting unburied from
> late December / early January emails. But I should start being a little
> more present in coming weeks, especially after FOSDEM concludes on Feb.
> Thanks for your time writing this all up, Ankur! Hope you had an
> excellent holiday and New Year as well.
> Justin W. Flory
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