Hi folks,
I propose a simple web-FAD to clean up the package maintainer's wishlist[1]. It shouldn't really take up more than an hour if we have a few people working on this.
Q. What is the wishlist? A. It's a list of packages that fedora users would like to see in the fedora repositories. Unfortunately, the list is not well maintained and thus, gives inaccurate information to package maintainers.
Q. Benefits of the clean up? A. Package maintainers will benefit from a well maintained wish-list. It's a good place to direct prospective package maintainers too, when they're looking for packages to get started with.
Q. How much time will it take? A. Maybe an hour and a half, two at the most.
Q. What do I need to carry? A. A connection to the interweb, a web browser, IRC client. Optional but recommended: Pizza, bacon, coffee, beer, $food, $music.
Q. Why APAC specific? A. Folks from one region are more likely to be available at a certain time. Any one interested is more than welcome to join in, as always. :)
Q. What do I need to know? A. Reading/writing/wiki editing. Use of package manager tools, bugzilla, packagedb. Should have FAS account to be able to edit wiki.
Q. What do I need to do? A. Simple workflow: - Pick up a package listed in the wishlist - Check if it is already packaged, or if a review ticket has already been filed on bugzilla - Modify wiki page accordingly.
Q. What can I learn during this FAD? A. Using yum/$package_manager; using bugzilla; package maintainers process; meet people, get to know your community folks, above all, *have fun*.
Q. Future plans? A. See if anyone would like to take over the responsibility of maintaining the wish list. We could even repeat the FAD every month or two.
I haven't thought of a time yet. APAC folks, are you up for it? Please reply with a date and time that is convenient to you. Sometime this week, Wednesday/Thursday would be nice.
Please forward the e-mail to other APAC regional mailing lists. I'm cc'ing the Join and India lists.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist
Hello Ankur,
I am interested in doing this but I want to let you know I do not belong to the packagers group. Also I have little idea of wiki editing [never did one so following your wiki link now :)]. Hope reading the wiki will let me know enough to get started. Also it would be good if we do it on a Sunday or at night on any weekday (maybe start at 21:00 IST) since I've college to attend during the day.
Regards,
Sourav
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Regarding the list, it has to have something for everyone. I for example, never do more than play Free Cell as a game, I do programming, but don't think gcc should be included initially. So lets look at the categories of users. a) Internet, Chat, IRC and Email Users b) Games People c) Networking People d) Music Listeners e) Graphics Users f) System Administrators / Desktop users g) Linux Maintainers. h) Children ages to 10years i) Office and Writers j) Programmers -- Web, GUI, Python, C++, C, Ruby, Other.
Essentially, the categories listed in anaconda for earlier Fedora versions seem to be the categories of interest.
Please update the list by adding or removing from the above or splitting out some entries from the list.
With that, in mind, I can create a spreadsheet with a heading and columns corresponding to the topics indicated.
I also thought that we could also include a few small shell scripts to download one or more categories; This will help the person to save hours of searching for programs of interest.
I firmly believe that the free section of rpm fusion should be included. The free section has legal FOSS programs for downloading. As well, perhaps an entry in Firefox to the rpmfusion website.
The alternate distributions (debian based) already provide abilities to download non open source stuff such as codecs.
Should we be asking for volunteer contributions, or leave that for Fedora 20+ ? (Could we get all the codecs for a dollar, as an example?). I frequently take courses via the web and youtube is essential to view. There is no real open source viewer for youtube.
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--- On Mon, 10/29/12, Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
From: Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com Subject: [Fedora-join] APAC Web FAD proposal -> Package maintainer's wishlist clean up To: "Fedora Ambassadors" ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: "Fedora Join Mailing list" fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org, "Fedora India" india@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Monday, October 29, 2012, 1:26 AM
Hi folks,
I propose a simple web-FAD to clean up the package maintainer's wishlist[1]. It shouldn't really take up more than an hour if we have a few people working on this.
Q. What is the wishlist? A. It's a list of packages that fedora users would like to see in the fedora repositories. Unfortunately, the list is not well maintained and thus, gives inaccurate information to package maintainers.
Q. Benefits of the clean up? A. Package maintainers will benefit from a well maintained wish-list. It's a good place to direct prospective package maintainers too, when they're looking for packages to get started with.
Q. How much time will it take? A. Maybe an hour and a half, two at the most.
Q. What do I need to carry? A. A connection to the interweb, a web browser, IRC client. Optional but recommended: Pizza, bacon, coffee, beer, $food, $music.
Q. Why APAC specific? A. Folks from one region are more likely to be available at a certain time. Any one interested is more than welcome to join in, as always. :)
Q. What do I need to know? A. Reading/writing/wiki editing. Use of package manager tools, bugzilla, packagedb. Should have FAS account to be able to edit wiki.
Q. What do I need to do? A. Simple workflow: - Pick up a package listed in the wishlist - Check if it is already packaged, or if a review ticket has already been filed on bugzilla - Modify wiki page accordingly.
Q. What can I learn during this FAD? A. Using yum/$package_manager; using bugzilla; package maintainers process; meet people, get to know your community folks, above all, *have fun*.
Q. Future plans? A. See if anyone would like to take over the responsibility of maintaining the wish list. We could even repeat the FAD every month or two.
I haven't thought of a time yet. APAC folks, are you up for it? Please reply with a date and time that is convenient to you. Sometime this week, Wednesday/Thursday would be nice.
Please forward the e-mail to other APAC regional mailing lists. I'm cc'ing the Join and India lists.
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist
Hi Leslie,
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 07:01 -0700, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
Regarding the list, it has to have something for everyone. I for example, never do more than play Free Cell as a game, I do programming, but don't think gcc should be included initially. So lets look at the categories of users. a) Internet, Chat, IRC and Email Users b) Games People c) Networking People d) Music Listeners e) Graphics Users f) System Administrators / Desktop users g) Linux Maintainers. h) Children ages to 10years i) Office and Writers j) Programmers -- Web, GUI, Python, C++, C, Ruby, Other.
Essentially, the categories listed in anaconda for earlier Fedora versions seem to be the categories of interest.
Please update the list by adding or removing from the above or splitting out some entries from the list.
With that, in mind, I can create a spreadsheet with a heading and columns corresponding to the topics indicated.
This is out of scope of the list. The wishlist does *not* aim to be a package database. It merely lists packages that anyone (maintainers/users) use and would like to see in Fedora, ie, these packages are not yet available in the repositories.
I also thought that we could also include a few small shell scripts to download one or more categories; This will help the person to save hours of searching for programs of interest.
Unfortunately, no shell script will server everyone's purpose. It just isn't feasible :/
The GUI package managers do a pretty good job, as I last heard. I stick to yum, but I don't expect new users to do that. There's an idea for a fedora application marketplace like thing, but I'm not current on it's progress at the moment.
Doesn't this web interface let you find your packages though?
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/apps/name/list/
I firmly believe that the free section of rpm fusion should be included. The free section has legal FOSS programs for downloading. As well, perhaps an entry in Firefox to the rpmfusion website.
The alternate distributions (debian based) already provide abilities to download non open source stuff such as codecs.
Should we be asking for volunteer contributions, or leave that for Fedora 20+ ? (Could we get all the codecs for a dollar, as an example?). I frequently take courses via the web and youtube is essential to view. There is no real open source viewer for youtube.
It's a small price to pay for sticking to FOSS. RPMFusion and the rest are readily visible and available. We'd (at least I'd personally) prefer to keep it the way it is.
There are various legal issues with even mentioning RPMFusion links in fedora distributions. However, IANAL, and therefore this discussion is not fruitful. I can assure you that such discussions have happened earlier, and our current stance is not arbitrary, rather a result of these discussions.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations
Hi Ankur
As a Fedora user for the past 8 years, one of the major frustrations I had was with finding things about Fedora from within the Fedora websites. The best information I gained came from word of mouth. This means that the website has many subgroups, with a common home directory to allow me to go from it to the subgroup of interest. I also think that the website has to be split into a group, directed at "developers and maintainers" of software, and another directed to "end-users". Outside of Fedora.org are forums are where I found some information to allow me to enjoy Fedora software items of interest to me.
I would like to be a Fedora promoter, Actually, I point people to the Fedora home page but then they go to Ubuntu or Mint, because it is so much easier to find information with the latter two than with Fedora. I hired students from our junior colleges and I discovered that our junior colleges push people to Debian/Ubuntu, and I would like to change that.
A welcome website is one that asks what is the user's purpose of visit. This would be a good start. From there, he could follow menus to a) internal projects, b) reference documents, c) spins and stuff, d) external sites, and topics of interest, including a directing of the user to rpmfusion.
I struggled for ages to remember rpmfusion as a name. It did not stick in my head as easy to remember. I also tended to do a clean installation with every new release, and then to recall what I had as my collection of downloaded programs. I spent an hour or two an evening, scanning the available software after every clean installation. Within Fedora, things have greatly improved since 2004. We can use the software library, with the built-in search function to find software related to tags (topics). I for example make great use of yumex to fix occasional bugs with yum. (yumex allows me to see the actual installed list and to delete conflicts that yum finds but does not help me to resolve.)
I am subscribed to several Fedora groups, and enjoy and occasionally participate in many discussions.
I have feedback to provide to your responses. We are not in conflict, but my perspective is how to get a person with a new computer or an old XP or Vista computer to switch to Fedora, and to stay with Fedora. Some of my user friends are retired visitors to YouTube, to sites of interest, and to technology. They would consider Fedora, but are frightened away by the lack of warmness, lack of software to support viewing YouTube videos, music, etc.
I guess I am saying that to promote Fedora, which is what I was aiming to do, was to provide some warm cozy mentoring via an easy to reach forum, sponsored by Fedora directly.
So, back to my categories. These are based on human interests, not necessarily on technological interests. Packages, in my mind are really my topics of interest. In this regard, the intersection of two packages may share common applications;(the installation of the second package would detect that some of the programs are already installed.)
Back to being a spokesperson for Fedora, the spins are great concepts and I praise the people involved. I feel we need some articles for the popular magazines, such as doing photography editing with Fedora, making and editing videos with Fedora, etc.
We could use articles based on my list below. I could edit or write some. Foremost is that groupings of applications to respond to a business or hobby need does not mean that the system admin or network administrator should be left out.
I have never built a package, nor have I gone through the steps to review one. Usually, like everyone else, I like the cookbook. You know... step 1, retrieve the package. step2 ...step final. You asked... Doesn't this web interface let you find your packages though?
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/apps/name/list/
The answer is no. Using the website, I asked, for a list of all programs related to webdesign, The result was zero returned. Where are matches to my request word? I also feel that a response should have a brief writeup to describe what the program can do, along with a date of last update? If my interests are for another group, please advise me and redirect me to it. By the way, I never knew of the above listed website. You see, home does not send me to a "true Fedora home page", it sends me to the package database home. That package kit database is a in a cocoon by itself; your word of mouth (this email), revealed it to me.
Leslie
From: Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-join] APAC Web FAD proposal -> Package maintainer's wishlist clean up To: "Fedora Join Mailing list" fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 6:41 PM
Hi Leslie,
On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 07:01 -0700, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
Regarding the list, it has to have something for everyone. I for example, never do more than play Free Cell as a game, I do programming, but don't think gcc should be included initially. So lets look at the categories of users. a) Internet, Chat, IRC and Email Users b) Games People c) Networking People d) Music Listeners e) Graphics Users f) System Administrators / Desktop users g) Linux Maintainers. h) Children ages to 10years i) Office and Writers j) Programmers -- Web, GUI, Python, C++, C, Ruby, Other.
Essentially, the categories listed in anaconda for earlier Fedora versions seem to be the categories of interest.
Please update the list by adding or removing from the above or splitting out some entries from the list.
With that, in mind, I can create a spreadsheet with a heading and columns corresponding to the topics indicated.
This is out of scope of the list. The wishlist does *not* aim to be a package database. It merely lists packages that anyone (maintainers/users) use and would like to see in Fedora, ie, these packages are not yet available in the repositories.
I also thought that we could also include a few small shell scripts to download one or more categories; This will help the person to save hours of searching for programs of interest.
Unfortunately, no shell script will server everyone's purpose. It just isn't feasible :/
The GUI package managers do a pretty good job, as I last heard. I stick to yum, but I don't expect new users to do that. There's an idea for a fedora application marketplace like thing, but I'm not current on it's progress at the moment.
Doesn't this web interface let you find your packages though?
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/apps/name/list/
I firmly believe that the free section of rpm fusion should be included. The free section has legal FOSS programs for downloading. As well, perhaps an entry in Firefox to the rpmfusion website.
The alternate distributions (debian based) already provide abilities to download non open source stuff such as codecs.
Should we be asking for volunteer contributions, or leave that for Fedora 20+ ? (Could we get all the codecs for a dollar, as an example?). I frequently take courses via the web and youtube is essential to view. There is no real open source viewer for youtube.
It's a small price to pay for sticking to FOSS. RPMFusion and the rest are readily visible and available. We'd (at least I'd personally) prefer to keep it the way it is.
There are various legal issues with even mentioning RPMFusion links in fedora distributions. However, IANAL, and therefore this discussion is not fruitful. I can assure you that such discussions have happened earlier, and our current stance is not arbitrary, rather a result of these discussions.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations
On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 16:26 +1100, Ankur Sinha wrote:
Hi folks,
I propose a simple web-FAD to clean up the package maintainer's wishlist[1]. It shouldn't really take up more than an hour if we have a few people working on this.
Hi folks,
I'm happy to report that we've completed the work we had taken up. More info here[1]. The wishlist, with it's new look is still here[2]
I'm grateful to everyone who took time out and participated. :)
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/FAD:Web_Cleanup_wishlist
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist
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